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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.11.02 21:03:00 -
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Asimir, thanks for the enlightement.
I pledge guilty in being an arrogant carebear, guilty in stubbornly defending my home territory against aggressors. I will fight to the last isk and scordite asteroid if cornered. Sorry thats the nature of real (care)bears.
Well, I'm sorry MyrmeenT, but not only do I see arrogance in CFS's actions and words but I also see hypocrisy.
When a CA member sues for peace with their enemies on the basis that any members who may have pirated in the past have since reformed we are met with insults and shown no mercy. Yet, when one of our enemies fights, and loses, a war with the CA they expect to be shown leniency. Losing a war is not a good thing. If you wish to continue the fight, that's your desicion, but do not look down your nose at a chance for survival.
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
I've been gone so long, but I will come back
I will come back for you |
Kai Viqtorr
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Posted - 2003.11.02 21:13:00 -
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Let me say this, as I have insight through meetings and negotiation to state both sides.
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Though our Councel of CEO's seem capable of direct decisions and quick action, the Senate of the CFS seem unable to reach ANY decision. Just once, I would have liked to have heard 'Alter this statement to this wording and we will agree to it.' But that was not the case.
Over 23 changes were made to the proposal while I still had the patience to work on it. All changes were made in an effort to satisfy the CFS Senate.
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I find it funny that after all the stalling and disputes on the content of the peace treaty, that NOW the Senate claims to be willing to pass it.
I am sorry Sarkos, but your insight must have been very limited. You negotiations wer NOT with the CFS Senate, they were with ME. I was the AUTHORISED REPRESENTATIVE of that body. I had been given a set of goals to achieve by the Senate and you and I were working towards that goal. Remember, that for every change I made, you also made changes to the document. While the members of the Senate had access to the forums we were negotiating on, it was NOT formally presented to the Senate for a vote. Why? Because it takes a minimum 48 hours for a vote to be declared valid! I do not take 48 hours to formally respond! In fact, if you read the timestamps, my responses were mostly within a few hours. Had the Senate been involved AT EVERY OFFER, we would currently be at change 6 out of 23. That is why the vote was held off until the end. Additionally, I would not and could not present the treaty to the CFS Senate until I was assurred that you were not going to make any changes. If we voted on a treaty and you then changed it, the vote would be useless. After I posted the last changes, I was advised by Rising Sin the you (Sarkos) was revising parts of the treaty. I gave you 36 hours, then addressed Rising Sin again about the treaty. That was when he finally said that no more changes were going to be made and we could present the treaty to our executives as a "final" copy. That occurred LESS THAN 12 HOURS BEFORE YOUR COUNTER PROPOSAL. So, had it not been for delays by YOU, the treaty could have been presented to CFS Senate and finalised, long before your CA Council meeting. I am afraid the basic responsibility for the current state of affairs, must be laid squarely at your feet.
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2003.11.02 23:03:00 -
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Respectfully has nothing to say anymore.
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Miss Cleo
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Posted - 2003.11.02 23:27:00 -
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I guess the only hypocrites I see here are the CA. They claim to believe CFS has corps that will attack them yet they are the ones with the history of agression. When asked to believe CFS corps will follow a treaty they instead put this last minute humiliating manuever into play. Yet they ask us all to believe some of the worst pirates in the history of Eve (sinister) are suddenly good and expect us to believe them. The treaty I read looked good and from what CFS says was going to be approved. Why did CA suddenly pull this PR fiasco?
READ EVE GUARDIAN
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Rixeh
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Posted - 2003.11.03 00:01:00 -
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Sarkos should demand a ******* titan from CFS due to his patience with these dim *******s. Here, let me type it in big words for you CFS goombas:
THE CFS IS IN NO POSITION TO MAKE DEMANDS FOR PEACE. THIS IS YOUR SURRENDER.
Naturally I have no official say, but you should be thankful for that, else I would've told you to shove that peace treaty up your collective asses.
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Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause.
-- Seneca
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Tanarii
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Posted - 2003.11.03 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tanarii on 03/11/2003 00:25:27
Asimir,
Some explanations to my reply to you:
It was mostly meant as an Satire (dont remember the english word that late in the night). That way I was joking about your "dramatic" explanation what war was about and even joking about ourself as "carebears". Dont take it too seriously.
The serious part in it was that it should highlight the reason why are most of us fighting. But if the peace treaty works I will be one the first to lay down arms and get back to my carebear work.
one final thought - we should remember Eve should be only a game. I believe many here take it too seriously - and I am asking myself sometimes that too.
Have a good night
MyrmeenT
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Aillas
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Posted - 2003.11.03 00:39:00 -
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What a load of crap.
We havent surrendered and the peace treaty is not a surrender document.
A number of CA have stated - "We control FIX, CFS is about to be destroyed".
Lol this game does not allow you to do any such thing, taking control of A2-V for a few hours each day by sitting on its entry point and killing some ships is annoying, and disrupts traffic. But frankly most ships lost are insured and the owners are back in new ones the same day. Minutes after you leave A2-V the system is back to normal. Even when you control it CFS in the FIX are still busy mining and hunting.
We would like to see peace return but frankly if the cost of that is to let a load of virtual bullies walk all over us I think the majority of true CFS corps would prefer to stay at war.
This is a game. It gives people who play it entertainment and enjoyment. Even if we dont win many battles so far, we are only losing immaterial items in cyberspace. But if we let a load of smack talking thugs push us around, that would be something real we would take back to the real world, depressing us, spoiling our day, spoiling the game. So frankly there is no pressure or incentive for us to surrender to you.
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SixKiller
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Posted - 2003.11.03 07:42:00 -
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This is all very over the top. There are no stations in JK-FIX. No CFS or CFS alied corps are based in JK-FIX (the no stations thing). Most of the activity in JK-FIX is a short mining trip to dig up enough rare minerals to make a few ships or some NPC hunting. Even before CA camped the choke point to JK-FIX there was never a large volume of traffic there.
That being said I think it is clear the CA has something more pressing on there agenda then shooting up miscelanous miners/NPC hunters. My guess is that they intend to terrorize and purge the great wildlands. Unlike JK-FIX there are corps actually based there. I would think that they will operate in a similer way, they will take a few choke points finding out how many ships it takes to hold them there (in CFS space it seems that 8-12 BS is required depending on time of day). They will then offer free passage out, and then shoot to kill ships carrying things like BP's. If I was in one of those corps, I would move such items immediantly for safe keeping. Two telling things here, the first is the deadline given to those corps to vacate area, the second being a re-deployment of CA blocade ships from CFS/JK-FIX space.
Although once the wildlands is purged of the peacefull inhabitants, Sinister/Shinra/RC ships will not remain dormant. They will p[ick the place they feel is least protected and begin again.
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Wren
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Posted - 2003.11.03 08:21:00 -
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Well, if your 'prophecy' comes to pass, then you can rightfully call CA pirates.
I however have a different idea about what will happen.
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.11.03 12:07:00 -
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Am I the only one who gets a kick out of watching that Vesper Fins group post? haha |
TIvian
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Posted - 2003.11.03 13:57:00 -
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You know, I have never played a game where one powerful group can survive after it ****es off everyone. The only reason CA survives at this point is bad game mechanics for PvP. That's it. We'll have a warp to option soon and CA is toast. Its just that easy. I am going to start working as a senator to work out a arrangement with SA and FA to organize attacks against the CA. I think this latest idocy by sarkos and co. pretty much illustrates that there is no peace with CA, ever.
HA!!! this comming from a station hooker!! Everytime I see a CC or CoC....they be on the run and talking sh!t as they LEAVE system! and then when cornered run to the station and log.
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(> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!! |
Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.03 14:10:00 -
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Sarkos should demand a ******* titan from CFS due to his patience with these dim *******s. Here, let me type it in big words for you CFS goombas:
THE CFS IS IN NO POSITION TO MAKE DEMANDS FOR PEACE. THIS IS YOUR SURRENDER.
Naturally I have no official say, but you should be thankful for that, else I would've told you to shove that peace treaty up your collective asses.
A true and lasting peace requires much more than eloquent words on a peace of paper. One of the main ingredients for peace is mutual respect.
If this is an example of the CA's attitude toward CFS we can assume this is just a glorified ceasefire while both sides regroup and rearm.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.11.03 14:28:00 -
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Now scragg, be real for once, CA doesnt need to rearm, we have voted on this peace and if it comes, we will stand by it.
Dont try to spin the facts again and again.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Rixeh
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Posted - 2003.11.03 14:58:00 -
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Am I the only one who gets a kick out of watching that Vesper Fins group post? haha
What's yer point you Evol goomba? Afraid that HOLY **** someone can spam and flame just as much as your corp? Rawr!
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Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause.
-- Seneca
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Sedsiss
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Posted - 2003.11.03 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/11/2003 15:17:31
Atleast our corp can back up our spam, Rix. Grow some balls and fight us if you think your that good. Or are you all tuckerd out from beating on miners and npc hunters? |
slayr
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Posted - 2003.11.03 17:15:00 -
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Sadly-its merely an excercise in futility. CFS lost its early on advantage (because of some heroic efforts on the part of a few individuals) due to the misguided efforts of out of work politians. You cannot form an effective government without taxation. You cannot fight a protracted war without strategists, and if you have them you **** well better support them. CFS leadership failed miserably on all these counts and re-electing leaders didn't help. CA is an evil empire- any who doubt that are mis-informed or mis-led. Any ceasefire is a farce, allowing the next attack to occur at a time and place of their choosing. Mad-dogs cannot be controlled, they must be killed. I have never been podded by CA or any of its pirate corps, this doesen't mean they haven't tried, I've been skilled and just plain lucky on several occasions. I have however become convinced of they're expasionist motives and pirating habits. We are a small corp, and have lost several battleships and gained a clone or two to these CA vermin. With the "truce" or "we suk CA butt" policy now being put into effect, we'll have to leave, as operations will simply become to dangerous. If CFS ever revises its charter, restructures and can field a creditable defense with a solid leader we might come back. Other-wise, we'll be gone and you'll be asked to join CA soon or die. Good luck, yer gonna need it.
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UnFriendly Fire
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sedsiss on 03/11/2003 15:17:31
Atleast our corp can back up our spam, Rix. Grow some balls and fight us if you think your that good. Or are you all tuckerd out from beating on miners and npc hunters?
I never seen these guys in CFS space as a part of CA attacks.
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Graffix
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Posted - 2003.11.03 20:23:00 -
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If there is peace between the two and trade commences between them, both the Fountain and Stain alliance will unwillingly see CFS as aiding the CA. Thats my opinion, but thats how I would see it.
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Gabriel Dumont
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Posted - 2003.11.04 14:11:00 -
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I am not usually a man with few words, but this takes the cake..
A truce with pie rats?
SUCKERS!
In space, no one hears you scream...
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.11.04 18:31:00 -
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Sarkos should demand a ******* titan from CFS due to his patience with these dim *******s. Here, let me type it in big words for you CFS goombas:
THE CFS IS IN NO POSITION TO MAKE DEMANDS FOR PEACE. THIS IS YOUR SURRENDER.
Naturally I have no official say, but you should be thankful for that, else I would've told you to shove that peace treaty up your collective asses.
A true and lasting peace requires much more than eloquent words on a peace of paper. One of the main ingredients for peace is mutual respect.
If this is an example of the CA's attitude toward CFS we can assume this is just a glorified ceasefire while both sides regroup and rearm.
There are just as many CFS pilots calling for a continuation of war. Have you read their forums? Honestly, I could care less at this point. For a while I really didn't want to fight with them - there was nothing to gain and there were a number of CFS pilots I was quite fond of.
Now, well..I've had enough of their silly threats, their whining, their lies...and all of their cool pilots defected! And in light of a recent event (and oh how I hope it becomes public), I'm really not gonna be upset when they screw up this NAP (and from the looks of it they're well on their way to doing so).
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