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Leshrac Shepherd
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Leshrac Shepherd on 20/10/2006 16:57:16
At any rate, until there's some kind of missile defense we should make sure that gravimetric jammers aren't nerfed.
Elve? I thought you could not see these forums 
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mah helper
Minmatar
ORDER OF THE WOMBLES
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:05:00 -
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simple fix.
Make ecm modules use 1000 cpu.
Change the stats on the ships specced for these modules to:
xxx Skill Bonus: -96% to -100% reduced CPU for....
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 20/10/2006 17:53:06
 Originally by: mah helper
simple fix.
Make ecm modules use 1000 cpu.
Change the stats on the ships specced for these modules to:
xxx Skill Bonus: -96% to -100% reduced CPU for....
Oh wow, you certainly have throught that one through!! 
Bring on the blog ffs!
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Bring on the blog ffs!
Quite.
I have a lot of torches & pitchforks getting cold & rusty (damn these cheap minmatar imitates) if there will be no enraged mobs to buy them soon.
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xenorx
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.20 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Shin Ra
Bring on the blog ffs!
Quite.
I have a lot of torches & pitchforks getting cold & rusty (damn these cheap minmatar imitates) if there will be no enraged mobs to buy them soon.
Should have invested in tar and feathers like the rest of us. Just reheat and serve.
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dabster
Minmatar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.20 21:27:00 -
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We want blog!
We want blog!
We want blog!
God damnit this is getting close to the anticipation before the tier 3 bs blog was coming..
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.20 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 20/10/2006 21:56:35
just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 20/10/2006 21:56:35
just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P
The Sacrilege is very good at doing things poorly :P
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P
ECM is too powerfull, that also goes for on a blackbird or a rifter.
ecm needs a nerf, or the other side having one falcon/rook or a pair of blackbirds completly changes a fight. and your cap suggestion would not change that!
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.21 12:42:00 -
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Bump still no blog, come on now!
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer
Originally by: LUKEC
just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P
ECM is too powerfull, that also goes for on a blackbird or a rifter.
ecm needs a nerf, or the other side having one falcon/rook or a pair of blackbirds completly changes a fight. and your cap suggestion would not change that!
It's not ECM on bb that worries me. The one on dominixes and ravens is another story.
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2006.10.21 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR
Originally by: Lord WarATron
In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is.
WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration
ever had to relock after being jammed?
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:03:00 -
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What if ECM just broke lock? As in you can instantly start relocking after the jam worked. That means you'd actually have to give some thought to it... Stick a Dampner + ECM on a target etc. It'd also stop the whole problem with drones only working if they were deployed before you got jammed.
Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd
Elve? I thought you could not see these forums
You're so behind the times mate. Internet at work ftw.
(Although clearly it now works at home too.)
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
It's not ECM on bb that worries me. The one on dominixes and ravens is another story.
Yes, but it's not the only side of the problem. If weapon X is stronger than weapon Y you do not balance it by limiting it's use on a few ships. It will be still too strong.
The only "real" use of this would be that you know better which ships should be primary. And certain 1v1 cookie-cutter setups would be killed, of cource. But the balance of different EW systems vs each other would still be broken.
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.21 15:12:00 -
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i do like the cap idea from lukec. but on top of that there needs to be an actualy nerf to ecm.
500cap per cycle will makwe sure its caldari ecm ship specific only [they would get a cap reduction bonous to bring it to about what it is now]
but the scorp/falcon/rook/blackbird would still be farr too effective [why would any one use a celestis when a blackbird is MUCH more effective?? ect]
id suggest: 500cap with ecm ships getting a massive cap reduction bonous [perhaps inbuilt]
reduce t2 racials to 3 points!
then give ECM mods a inbuilt +10% to shield resistances! [non stacking] so although the scorp/blackbird/rook/falcon can not jam so much they have a tank!
so a scorp with 7 amarr jammers and one xl-t2 booster would have:
52.2% EM : 80% EXP : 70% kin : 60% thermal resistance. with a 48% chance to jam 3 geddons and one spare jammer to jam a missed one!!
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.10.21 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
What if ECM just broke lock? As in you can instantly start relocking after the jam worked. That means you'd actually have to give some thought to it... Stick a Dampner + ECM on a target etc. It'd also stop the whole problem with drones only working if they were deployed before you got jammed.
This is what I think the answer is. ECM should be "weaker" in some aspects than TDs or Dampers because it removes a lock - which removes 95% of your options in pvp.
It also brings back "cycle jamming" and a little bit of player knowledge into using ecm. This is opposed to now where it is just "click, stack, and pwn".
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux
The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.10.21 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Wilfan Ret''nub on 21/10/2006 18:24:14
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
What if ECM just broke lock? As in you can instantly start relocking after the jam worked. That means you'd actually have to give some thought to it... Stick a Dampner + ECM on a target etc. It'd also stop the whole problem with drones only working if they were deployed before you got jammed.
The emo Amarr is on to something. I can attest that ECM burst (which just breaks locks) is more in line with other EW, but still bloody annoying (when it works - cap and range make it too situational).
Back on topic: where is the blog? 
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.21 18:49:00 -
[48]
OMG where is the blog?
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Szun
Boob Heads
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.22 00:04:00 -
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If a single raven can keep a carrier with str 76 sensors jammed for 90% of the time then yes ecm is to strong, considering the multies have around str 6 (with some skills) on a raven, or on any other ship for that matter.
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velmistr Ecco
Caldari
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:13:00 -
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I'm looking forward to see the blog about ECM.
Thank you.
P.S. For those who want to nerf ECM: Stop complaining and wellcome to the age of electronic countermeasures.
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Statics
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:49:00 -
[51]
Originally by: FFGR
WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration
You didn't get the memo?
Agree with focusing on multispecs... they're the 'easy' button of ECM. Any muppet can fit a multispec and laugh all the way to the bank. Don't thrash those of us who fly specialized ECM boats and sacrifice DPS and escapability to maximize gang EW effectiveness. OMG, you might actually have to know what type of systems each race uses and fit accordingly. 
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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.22 15:19:00 -
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I am going to take a wild, reckless and irresponsible guess, and say that the ECM 'fix' could (or should) be another boost to all ECCM and backup arrays - something along the lines of +25% across the board.
That is, the dedicated EW platforms will still have a good chance of a jam, but the single-multispec brigade will lose the incentive to bring it to every fight on account of a lot of people sacrificing a low or mid slot to meaningfully improve their chances of surviving a jam cycle.
In particular, we may finally see non-Caldari recon pilots using their racial EW bonuses, once they realise that a pair of ECM modules without a bonus are nothing but a useless cap drain when faced with a typical battleship with a sensor strength of 30 - 40. Hopefully we also won't have cruisers competing to get a jam in first, once a module brings their sensor strengths up to at least 20. Balance will be struck when that choice is a viable alternative to a second or third damage mod.
Alternatively, a +25% sensor strength increase applied to all ships (T1, T2 and Capital) could achieve a similar effect without forcing everyone to re-evaluate their setups and fit a single module as an instant fix. I am not sure which option is best - universal increase in base sensor strengths or an added incentive to voluntarily fit ECCM - but either could get the job done.
This sort of change should not really give the EW specialised pilots much to whine about - I have over 3m SP in electronics and find it increasingly hard to believe that they should be focused on one single 'w1n' module on a cruiser. Those SPs should be invested in a dedicated EW platform with appropriate racial bonuses, not any old ship with a spare mid just because at the moment, -5.76 jam is enough.
Thoughts?
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DeadDuck
Amarr
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.23 09:12:00 -
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I've passed the entire weekend checking the Dev Blog section. Really interested in this.
Bump we go.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.23 09:14:00 -
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I AM NOT EMO, FFS.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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FFGR
Maza Nostra
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.23 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne
Originally by: FFGR
Originally by: Lord WarATron
In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is.
WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration
ever had to relock after being jammed?
No, I tend to jam everything with my Rook, thank you very much 
On another note there are those useful modules called Sensor Boosters and Signal Amplifiers that have the uber usefulness of cutting down the relocking time, aswell as countering another form of EW that is called Sensor Damping.
Originally by: Shin Ra
OMG where is the blog?
It will come out right after I finish up Recon Ships lvl5, be sure of that 
Oh well, I can still have my scramblers be used up to 40km 
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:19:00 -
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE BLOG PLX K THX.
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:31:00 -
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ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!!
We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!!
We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it.
\o/
<3
* shakes fist angrily at Kieron
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Exiled One
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!!
We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it.
Fix EANM, switch crystal EM for thermal and vice versa, boost artillery dmg mod by x percent => decrease artillery rate of fire x percent -- boost autocannon dmg mod by x percent => decrase autocannon rate of fire x percent, projectile ammo should be 0.001 m3 per unit -- ALL THIS BEFORE APPLYING THE IDIOTIC 50% HP BOOST PATCH -- and if you do all these changes: amarr will be FIXED, minmatar won't have alpha strike problems post-patch as well as autocannons running out of ammo. Or i will blow up myself !!
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.10.23 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Tuxford
ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!!
We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it.
\o/
<3
* shakes fist angrily at Kieron
Not Kieron's fault 
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