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Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:25:00 - [1] This is not a moan, a rant, a flame, an insult, etc. It is just a simple question. As the ECM blog wasn't posted yesterday, is there any chance you could give us a rough idea of when to expect it? Thanks
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:31:00 - [2] Waiting for that myself too Put your corp tag on btw or your post is getting ''snip-ed'' --------------------------
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:33:00 - [3] Originally by: Dave White Waiting for that myself too Put your corp tag on btw or your post is getting ''snip-ed'' That's only for corp & alliance discussion (IG or OOC)
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:33:00 - [4] I haope ECM was changed back to what is was in the old days. 0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:36:00 - [5] It will be posted when kieron wakes up and checks the content for mistakes ect probably. And since kieron is US based, it will take some time. _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Sheeana	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:37:00 - [6] Edited by: Sheeana on 20/10/2006 13:37:34 He is probly choosing his words more carefully cos of all the people that take this game WAY to seriously and pick apart every word he types. I realy dont think there is the need for so much flaming, just see what happens and have faith dammit! If its realy that bad it will get changed again!
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Tsar Maul Originally by: Dave White Waiting for that myself too Put your corp tag on btw or your post is getting ''snip-ed'' That's only for corp & alliance discussion (IG or OOC) Oh yeah good point *Goes back to flaming section of the forums --------------------------
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:38:00 - [8] Originally by: FFGR It will be posted when kieron wakes up and checks the content for mistakes ect probably. And since kieron is US based, it will take some time. Are you saying that because Kieron is from the US it takes him longer to check the content for mistakes? Anyway, he has been posting since just before DT finished.
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Tsar Maul Originally by: FFGR It will be posted when kieron wakes up and checks the content for mistakes ect probably. And since kieron is US based, it will take some time. Are you saying that because Kieron is from the US it takes him longer to check the content for mistakes? Anyway, he has been posting since just before DT finished. He may be checking the blog right now btw don't hammer me I just woke up after going to a party and I have a headache WTB painkiller pills _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Kaeten I haope ECM was changed back to what is was in the old days. I really hope not. The new ECM has balance problems that need to be fixed, but the old EW model was horrible. All we need here is to make ECM a bit less powerful, so it's compable to damps and tracking disruptors (i.e. isn't universally useful to shut down all ships). The moment Pilgrim pilots start fitting tracking disruptors instead of ECM, things will be fine.
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:42:00 - [11] Guys guys, this isnt a "what I want the ECM blog to contain" thread. Make another if you cant wait 48 hours.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:45:00 - [12] ECM and EWar are subjects near and dear to my heart, so I await with eager anticipation the outcomes of the discussion. I've a few ideas for what could be done, and I posted 'em on the (really huge) discussion thread. There were a lot of constructive posts (and annoyingly, some really rather unconstructive ones too) so there's a lot of material to come up with something appropriate, feasible, moderately balanced and otherwise adding depth to the electronic warfare battlefield.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.20 13:47:00 - [13] Eagerly awaiting this.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:03:00 - [14] Im pretty certain it will upset alot of people though, no matter what he does. But im glad he is doing something. I havent heard anything about ecm since TomB started that ecm thread a long, long time ago... appearently Tux have been working... :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim McGregor Im pretty certain it will upset alot of people though, no matter what he does. But im glad he is doing something. I havent heard anything about ecm since TomB started that ecm thread a long, long time ago... appearently Tux have been working... :) I'm wondering if I can blag another EON article out of it ;)
Gazon Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Alex Harumichi The moment Pilgrim pilots start fitting tracking disruptors instead of ECM, things will be fine. QFT :) Now recruiting!
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Gazon Originally by: Alex Harumichi The moment Pilgrim pilots start fitting tracking disruptors instead of ECM, things will be fine. QFT :) No kidding. Because I said so...
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:34:00 - [18] Maybe he cant recall he said that. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.20 14:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Alex Harumichi The moment Pilgrim pilots start fitting tracking disruptors instead of ECM, things will be fine. Yes & no. I would rather say "..could be fine. They could for example nerf ECM horribly, but boost the bonus of the caldari specialized ships to counter this. Then pilgrim pilots would prolly use tracking disruptors, but ECM would still be too powerful. Only on 4 ships then, but that wouldn't change anything of it being to strong.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Alex Harumichi The moment Pilgrim pilots start fitting tracking disruptors instead of ECM, things will be fine. Yes & no. I would rather say "..could be fine. They could for example nerf ECM horribly, but boost the bonus of the caldari specialized ships to counter this. Then pilgrim pilots would prolly use tracking disruptors, but ECM would still be too powerful. Only on 4 ships then, but that wouldn't change anything of it being to strong. True. I was just using the Pilgrim as an easy example... but I see a lot of Arazus flying around with mids full of ECM, too. Which is a bit sad, imho. ECM does need a nerf. But I think the general EW system is fine, the numbers just need to be tweaked or ECM needs some extra penalty.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:10:00 - [21] One of the (IMO) main problem/strength of ECM is that it has no "useless" targets. Tracking disruptors: missle & drones (and nos, ecm, damperners..basically anythign which is offensive and does not make pew pew) Damperners: fast ships Since ECM works equally well vs all ships it should have a weaker effect than tracking disrzptors or damperners, since those do not work vs all ships.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:16:00 - [22] In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Lord WarATron In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is. My thoughts exactly - they should only break locks, not completely shutdown your ability to target anything.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Aramendel One of the (IMO) main problem/strength of ECM is that it has no "useless" targets. Tracking disruptors: missle & drones (and nos, ecm, damperners..basically anythign which is offensive and does not make pew pew) Damperners: fast ships Since ECM works equally well vs all ships it should have a weaker effect than tracking disrzptors or damperners, since those do not work vs all ships. Exactly. Tracking disrupters are fantastic vs turret boats, utterly useless vs missile boats. Sensor damps are great as long as you can keep range, useless if the other guy gets up close and has a lock. Once ECM gets a "weak spot" (the current random nature is not enough, given the extreme effect ECM has), things should be fine. Right now, if you have an extra mid fitting an ECM is almost a no-brainer. Ideally, you'd fit EW based on what kind of ship you're flying, what you expect opponents to be flying, and what kinds of tactics you want to use.
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:22:00 - [25] Make ECM prevent missiles from firing at their target properly? :)
Lucian Corvinus Gallente Expert Systems	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Tsar Maul Make ECM prevent missiles from firing at their target properly? :) Huh... and it doesn't do that atm?? why not make ECM prevent alts from posting on the forum.. would be alot more useful imho...
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Lord WarATron In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is. Good one. I agree. Maybe have to tune down cap use some. Forsch Defender of the empire
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:53:00 - [28] Originally by: Lucian Corvinus Originally by: Tsar Maul Make ECM prevent missiles from firing at their target properly? :) Huh... and it doesn't do that atm?? why not make ECM prevent alts from posting on the forum.. would be alot more useful imho... Sorry, should've been "...only prevent missiles...".
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Lord WarATron In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is. WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Aramendel One of the (IMO) main problem/strength of ECM is that it has no "useless" targets. Tracking disruptors: missle & drones (and nos, ecm, damperners..basically anythign which is offensive and does not make pew pew) Damperners: fast ships Since ECM works equally well vs all ships it should have a weaker effect than tracking disrzptors or damperners, since those do not work vs all ships. Remove multispecs. Problem solved. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Leshrac Shepherd Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Leshrac Shepherd on 20/10/2006 16:57:16 At any rate, until there's some kind of missile defense we should make sure that gravimetric jammers aren't nerfed. Elve? I thought you could not see these forums
mah helper Minmatar ORDER OF THE WOMBLES	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:05:00 - [32] simple fix. Make ecm modules use 1000 cpu. Change the stats on the ships specced for these modules to: xxx Skill Bonus: -96% to -100% reduced CPU for....
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:53:00 - [33] Edited by: Shin Ra on 20/10/2006 17:53:06 Originally by: mah helper simple fix. Make ecm modules use 1000 cpu. Change the stats on the ships specced for these modules to: xxx Skill Bonus: -96% to -100% reduced CPU for.... Oh wow, you certainly have throught that one through!! Bring on the blog ffs!
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:44:00 - [34] Originally by: Shin Ra Bring on the blog ffs! Quite. I have a lot of torches & pitchforks getting cold & rusty (damn these cheap minmatar imitates) if there will be no enraged mobs to buy them soon.
xenorx 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Shin Ra Bring on the blog ffs! Quite. I have a lot of torches & pitchforks getting cold & rusty (damn these cheap minmatar imitates) if there will be no enraged mobs to buy them soon. Should have invested in tar and feathers like the rest of us. Just reheat and serve. No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.20 21:27:00 - [36] We want blog! We want blog! We want blog! God damnit this is getting close to the anticipation before the tier 3 bs blog was coming.. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 21:56:00 - [37] Edited by: LUKEC on 20/10/2006 21:56:35 just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.20 22:04:00 - [38] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 20/10/2006 21:56:35 just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P The Sacrilege is very good at doing things poorly :P
starship enginer	Posted - 2006.10.20 22:06:00 - [39] Originally by: LUKEC just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P ECM is too powerfull, that also goes for on a blackbird or a rifter. ecm needs a nerf, or the other side having one falcon/rook or a pair of blackbirds completly changes a fight. and your cap suggestion would not change that!
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:42:00 - [40] Bump still no blog, come on now!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 12:57:00 - [41] Originally by: starship enginer Originally by: LUKEC just increase cap usage... something silly like 500 cap/cycle. Every ship apart from frig will be able to use it, unspecialized ships will get cap pwnage, bbs & such can get cap reduction bonus. Just like shield tanking sacrilege, you can do it, but it's not really good :P ECM is too powerfull, that also goes for on a blackbird or a rifter. ecm needs a nerf, or the other side having one falcon/rook or a pair of blackbirds completly changes a fight. and your cap suggestion would not change that! It's not ECM on bb that worries me. The one on dominixes and ravens is another story.
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2006.10.21 13:46:00 - [42] Originally by: FFGR Originally by: Lord WarATron In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is. WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration ever had to relock after being jammed?
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.21 14:03:00 - [43] What if ECM just broke lock? As in you can instantly start relocking after the jam worked. That means you'd actually have to give some thought to it... Stick a Dampner + ECM on a target etc. It'd also stop the whole problem with drones only working if they were deployed before you got jammed. Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd Elve? I thought you could not see these forums You're so behind the times mate. Internet at work ftw. (Although clearly it now works at home too.) It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.21 14:56:00 - [44] Originally by: LUKEC It's not ECM on bb that worries me. The one on dominixes and ravens is another story. Yes, but it's not the only side of the problem. If weapon X is stronger than weapon Y you do not balance it by limiting it's use on a few ships. It will be still too strong. The only "real" use of this would be that you know better which ships should be primary. And certain 1v1 cookie-cutter setups would be killed, of cource. But the balance of different EW systems vs each other would still be broken.
starship enginer	Posted - 2006.10.21 15:12:00 - [45] i do like the cap idea from lukec. but on top of that there needs to be an actualy nerf to ecm. 500cap per cycle will makwe sure its caldari ecm ship specific only [they would get a cap reduction bonous to bring it to about what it is now] but the scorp/falcon/rook/blackbird would still be farr too effective [why would any one use a celestis when a blackbird is MUCH more effective?? ect] id suggest: 500cap with ecm ships getting a massive cap reduction bonous [perhaps inbuilt] reduce t2 racials to 3 points! then give ECM mods a inbuilt +10% to shield resistances! [non stacking] so although the scorp/blackbird/rook/falcon can not jam so much they have a tank! so a scorp with 7 amarr jammers and one xl-t2 booster would have: 52.2% EM : 80% EXP : 70% kin : 60% thermal resistance. with a 48% chance to jam 3 geddons and one spare jammer to jam a missed one!!
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.21 15:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Elve Sorrow What if ECM just broke lock? As in you can instantly start relocking after the jam worked. That means you'd actually have to give some thought to it... Stick a Dampner + ECM on a target etc. It'd also stop the whole problem with drones only working if they were deployed before you got jammed. This is what I think the answer is. ECM should be "weaker" in some aspects than TDs or Dampers because it removes a lock - which removes 95% of your options in pvp. It also brings back "cycle jamming" and a little bit of player knowledge into using ecm. This is opposed to now where it is just "click, stack, and pwn". Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Wilfan Ret'nub Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:23:00 - [47] Edited by: Wilfan Ret''nub on 21/10/2006 18:24:14 Originally by: Elve Sorrow What if ECM just broke lock? As in you can instantly start relocking after the jam worked. That means you'd actually have to give some thought to it... Stick a Dampner + ECM on a target etc. It'd also stop the whole problem with drones only working if they were deployed before you got jammed. The emo Amarr is on to something. I can attest that ECM burst (which just breaks locks) is more in line with other EW, but still bloody annoying (when it works - cap and range make it too situational). Back on topic: where is the blog? ------ No ISK, no fun
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:49:00 - [48] OMG where is the blog?
Szun Boob Heads Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:04:00 - [49] If a single raven can keep a carrier with str 76 sensors jammed for 90% of the time then yes ecm is to strong, considering the multies have around str 6 (with some skills) on a raven, or on any other ship for that matter.
velmistr Ecco Caldari Rytiri Lva	Posted - 2006.10.22 13:13:00 - [50] I'm looking forward to see the blog about ECM. Thank you. P.S. For those who want to nerf ECM: Stop complaining and wellcome to the age of electronic countermeasures.
Statics A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.22 14:49:00 - [51] Originally by: FFGR WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration You didn't get the memo? Agree with focusing on multispecs... they're the 'easy' button of ECM. Any muppet can fit a multispec and laugh all the way to the bank. Don't thrash those of us who fly specialized ECM boats and sacrifice DPS and escapability to maximize gang EW effectiveness. OMG, you might actually have to know what type of systems each race uses and fit accordingly.
Cmdr Sy Off Balance Sheet Entity	Posted - 2006.10.22 15:19:00 - [52] I am going to take a wild, reckless and irresponsible guess, and say that the ECM 'fix' could (or should) be another boost to all ECCM and backup arrays - something along the lines of +25% across the board. That is, the dedicated EW platforms will still have a good chance of a jam, but the single-multispec brigade will lose the incentive to bring it to every fight on account of a lot of people sacrificing a low or mid slot to meaningfully improve their chances of surviving a jam cycle. In particular, we may finally see non-Caldari recon pilots using their racial EW bonuses, once they realise that a pair of ECM modules without a bonus are nothing but a useless cap drain when faced with a typical battleship with a sensor strength of 30 - 40. Hopefully we also won't have cruisers competing to get a jam in first, once a module brings their sensor strengths up to at least 20. Balance will be struck when that choice is a viable alternative to a second or third damage mod. Alternatively, a +25% sensor strength increase applied to all ships (T1, T2 and Capital) could achieve a similar effect without forcing everyone to re-evaluate their setups and fit a single module as an instant fix. I am not sure which option is best - universal increase in base sensor strengths or an added incentive to voluntarily fit ECCM - but either could get the job done. This sort of change should not really give the EW specialised pilots much to whine about - I have over 3m SP in electronics and find it increasingly hard to believe that they should be focused on one single 'w1n' module on a cruiser. Those SPs should be invested in a dedicated EW platform with appropriate racial bonuses, not any old ship with a spare mid just because at the moment, -5.76 jam is enough. Thoughts?
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 09:12:00 - [53] I've passed the entire weekend checking the Dev Blog section. Really interested in this. Bump we go.
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 09:14:00 - [54] I AM NOT EMO, FFS. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.23 09:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Nahia Senne Originally by: FFGR Originally by: Lord WarATron In my opionion - just remove the 30 second jame time from ecm. Other that that its fine the way it is. WTB jammer with 30s jamming duration ever had to relock after being jammed? No, I tend to jam everything with my Rook, thank you very much On another note there are those useful modules called Sensor Boosters and Signal Amplifiers that have the uber usefulness of cutting down the relocking time, aswell as countering another form of EW that is called Sensor Damping. Originally by: Shin Ra OMG where is the blog? It will come out right after I finish up Recon Ships lvl5, be sure of that Oh well, I can still have my scramblers be used up to 40km _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:19:00 - [56] RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE BLOG PLX K THX. .... Real men use blasters

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:31:00 - [57] ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!! We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it. _______________

Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Tuxford ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!! We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it. \o/ <3 * shakes fist angrily at Kieron _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Tuxford ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!! We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it. Fix EANM, switch crystal EM for thermal and vice versa, boost artillery dmg mod by x percent => decrease artillery rate of fire x percent -- boost autocannon dmg mod by x percent => decrase autocannon rate of fire x percent, projectile ammo should be 0.001 m3 per unit -- ALL THIS BEFORE APPLYING THE IDIOTIC 50% HP BOOST PATCH -- and if you do all these changes: amarr will be FIXED, minmatar won't have alpha strike problems post-patch as well as autocannons running out of ammo. Or i will blow up myself !!

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Tuxford ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!! We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it. \o/ <3 * shakes fist angrily at Kieron Not Kieron's fault _______________

Scifa Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Tuxford Not Kieron's fault Yours then
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:55:00 - [62] Originally by: Scifa Originally by: Tuxford Not Kieron's fault Yours then But of course.
Atreides Ghanima Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Tuxford ZOMG BLOG LOST!!!! We've found it though. Think Kieron is just about to post it. Fix EANM, switch crystal EM for thermal and vice versa, boost artillery dmg mod by x percent => decrease artillery rate of fire x percent -- boost autocannon dmg mod by x percent => decrase autocannon rate of fire x percent, projectile ammo should be 0.001 m3 per unit -- ALL THIS BEFORE APPLYING THE IDIOTIC 50% HP BOOST PATCH -- and if you do all these changes: amarr will be FIXED, minmatar won't have alpha strike problems post-patch as well as autocannons running out of ammo. Or i will blow up myself !! Wrong thread, plz try next door ... ----- The spice must flow!!!
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Tuxford Not Kieron's fault So, where should we send the angry mobs then? Mh.. lets just blame it on the macrominers.
Avant Garde Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:08:00 - [65] Whens the blog coming?
Zakgram Apocalyptic Raiders Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Avant Garde Whens the blog coming? qft
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Scifa Originally by: Tuxford Not Kieron's fault Yours then If i was tux i would send a blog about my nerf bat ,joking about the amar problems.
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:28:00 - [68] OMG where`z teh blog??? Greetings Grim
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:30:00 - [69] Kieron still on lunch?
Jouno Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:34:00 - [70] x here to join kieron's assasination squad
Gun Rush	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:36:00 - [71] xxx hmmmm. Come one where is the blog!!!
Trefnis Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:46:00 - [72] I ate the blog!!!!! /runs and hides
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:51:00 - [73] Where's the blogging blog godbloggit! I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Drommy Gallente DarkSide Inc	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:54:00 - [74] BLOG ecm will have ts power increased 10 fold. yay END BLOG IF YOU AINT BLUE... YOUR GOO DARKSIDE INC

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