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Drykor	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:16:00 - [1] I'm trying to calculate the top speed in Eve without MWD's. Fastest ship to my knowledge is the Claw, Minmatar interceptor with a base speed of 475 m/s It has 4 low slots = 4x Dominion faction overdrive injectors (40 m/s) = 160 m/s bonus, making it go 635 m/s 25% bonus from maxed navigation skill makes this 793.75 m/s Best faction afterburner (gistii a-type) gives 163.88% bonus, maxed acceleration control give an additional 25%, this makes a 163.88+25=188.88% speed bonus 793.752.8888 makes the top speed 2292.985 m/s with still the extremely small signature radius that an MWD would ruin. Now there are also the Snake implants that according to another thread give a 53.63% velocity bonus (see http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=203472), I just don't know where exactly to apply this. I think I simply have to add this to the navigation velocity bonus, making the first bonus a 78.63% bonus instead of a 25% bonus. This would mean the calculation comes down to: (475+160) 1.7863 * 2.8888 = 3276.77 m/s Does anyone know if this is correct? Is there anything I'm forgetting or miscalculating?
Guurzak Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:18:00 - [2] Afterburners and MWDs do not apply a percentage bonus to speed, they add thrust. In order to properly calculate AB speed you need to calculate the effect of the added thrust on the total mass of the ship. Formula is here.
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:18:00 - [3] A Claymore with a mindlink + warfare link on top of that.
Polinus	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:19:00 - [4] how in hell do you hit something like that? (with no enlarged signaure)
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:20:00 - [5] Edited by: inSpirAcy on 20/10/2006 18:20:45 The Claw has the higher base speed but it's also heavier than a Crusader, which will affect the top speed it gains from an AB. No idea if that changes the result, but it's worth taking into account. Crusader is definitely the faster with an MWD.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Polinus how in hell do you hit something like that? (with no enlarged signaure) You dont (with turrets anyway), but he cant hit you either at those speeds. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Polinus how in hell do you hit something like that? (with no enlarged signaure) A wonderful little thing called the "dual-web ranis". - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Drykor	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Guurzak Afterburners and MWDs do not apply a percentage bonus to speed, they add thrust. In order to properly calculate AB speed you need to calculate the effect of the added thrust on the total mass of the ship. Formula is here. Ok thanks, I'll try to recalculate it later. It would be a bad thing if Amarr ended up with the fastest ship because of that lower weight though :/ I picked minmatar mainly for this.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:29:00 - [9] There's an 8% speed implant which doesn't clash with the Snake set as well, isn't there?
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:30:00 - [10] Linkage RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Drykor	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:42:00 - [11] Originally by: inSpirAcy There's an 8% speed implant which doesn't clash with the Snake set as well, isn't there? I guess I'll have to do a little more research.. Originally by: Verus Potestas Linkage Hmm yeah but those are with MWD and running out of cap fast.. I'm trying to get the top speed you could actually fight at (without the huge signature radius 'bonus' from mwd), also without any gang support.
Garramon Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Drykor Best faction afterburner (gistii a-type) gives 163.88% bonus, maxed acceleration control give an additional 25%, this makes a 163.88+25=188.88% speed bonus. ... I think I simply have to add this to the navigation velocity bonus, making the first bonus a 78.63% bonus instead of a 25% bonus. Part 1: This should be multiplicative, not additive. 204.85% Part 2: I can't say for sure how it applies, but this is wrong as well. For some reason the fact that ~50% of the people replying to the thread fail to read and understand the point of the OP is hilarious.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:16:00 - [13] Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/10/2006 19:17:58 Originally by: inSpirAcy There's an 8% speed implant which doesn't clash with the Snake set as well, isn't there? I know those: Eifyr&Co 'Rogue' CY-1 (3%) Eifyr&Co 'Rogue' CY-2 (5%) I got one of those with my old main in my trial back in 2004 from an npc in a lvl.1 or 2 mission or as a reward for it. Don't remember. Plugged it in, because I thought I can't sell it anyway.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Plutoinum I know those: Eifyr&Co 'Rogue' CY-1 (3%) Eifyr&Co 'Rogue' CY-2 (5%) Nah, it's a COSMOS implant. Shaqil's Speed Enhancer, given out as a reward for one of the hardest series as I recall. Just can't remember which slot it goes in.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:24:00 - [15] Try Vagabond with Gist-X 100mn AB. Can actually have setups with sustainable cap and speeds of 4000+ with high grade snake set (at least according to Quickfit)... 200 dps using d180s and barrage, and might even be able to hit stuff at 15km with some tracking comps... I wonder if that works in practice too. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Guurzak Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Drykor I'm trying to get the top speed you could actually fight at (without the huge signature radius 'bonus' from mwd), also without any gang support. MWD sig bonus is irrelevant at very high speeds, since you're outrunning missile explosion velocity and turret tracking anyway. It's quite possible to sustain an MWD and "actually fight" while moving at MWD speeds, assuming your own tracking is adequate to the task. (That latter point is one of the reasons why Crows are so much nastier than any other interceptor.)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:38:00 - [17] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Plutoinum I know those: Eifyr&Co 'Rogue' CY-1 (3%) Eifyr&Co 'Rogue' CY-2 (5%) Nah, it's a COSMOS implant. Shaqil's Speed Enhancer, given out as a reward for one of the hardest series as I recall. Just can't remember which slot it goes in. Probably within the Minmatar COSMOS series in Derelik ? Kenobala or where is it ? I've started the series with an alt, had some trouble and lacked the time to go on with it. I think now the agent doesn't talk to me anymore, because once you start that cosmos series of 10? missions, there seems to be no way to have a break. (which is crap imho )
Drykor	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Guurzak Originally by: Drykor I'm trying to get the top speed you could actually fight at (without the huge signature radius 'bonus' from mwd), also without any gang support. MWD sig bonus is irrelevant at very high speeds, since you're outrunning missile explosion velocity and turret tracking anyway. It's quite possible to sustain an MWD and "actually fight" while moving at MWD speeds, assuming your own tracking is adequate to the task. (That latter point is one of the reasons why Crows are so much nastier than any other interceptor.) Hmm ok.. well I might as well learn caldari frigates since I'm learning all missile skills anyway, it's not that much trouble to get a rank 1 skill up to level 5.. Too bad it only has 3 low slots though.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:12:00 - [19] need i say more?
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.20 20:20:00 - [20] it would be good for going in a straight line however overdrives nerf your agility rather harshly so turning will take forever In rust we trust!!! Right here Tux ,,\|,,

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