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Khyan
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Posted - 2003.11.02 12:32:00 -
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and now all my stuff in the corp hangar is gone ... all gone :(
is this normal, even after it said that all the stuff was going to be given to all the shareholders (i was the last and only member of my corp), that my precious loot is ALL gone.
seriously, i lost alot of lasers, turrets, blueprints. now that i think of it, i lost everything. Only thing i have is my ship without any modules and 7000isk.
I petitioned, but after 3-4 days still no answer.
anybody got a similar problem? this is really starting to **** me off, all these weird after-effects of 'doing stuff'...
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PandaBoy
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Posted - 2003.11.02 12:52:00 -
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So, if i understand you right, you closed your former corp with loads of assets in corp hangar, and you thought they would just *pop* up again in your new corp hangar ?!
Consider yourself lucky if you get those items back.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.11.02 14:41:00 -
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lol it not too hard to use the select all feature and transfer all your corp hanger to your own hanger shame on you |
EveJunkie
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Posted - 2003.11.02 15:51:00 -
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It does actually say in the manual that when a corp is disbanded the assets are sold and the money split between the shareholders.
Of course the manual is useless but it still says that.
I tested it when I closed one of my corps by leaving a few items in the hanger and sure enough I didnt get anything for the sale. |
Skaz
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:00:00 -
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ouch ouch ouch......still....why???
I'm guessing the responsee that you'll get from the GM's will be "We don't replace items lost through your own stupidity, have a good day"
still ouch 
"No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..." |
Khyan
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Khyan on 02/11/2003 18:13:59
well if that's the response im gonna get, then they have lost another customer...
its no fun losing EVERYTHING, and i mean EVERYTHING that i start collecting since the game went live. must be like 30-40 million in weapons & ammo alone that was in there. Not to mention all the rare items i saved.
i tell ya, if it says clearly that everything is recycled i would have flown back and dragged it all in my personal hangar but the game doesn't say anything like that.
and for you clowns ; no, you can't have my stuff cause i don't have any stuff anymore...
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:10:00 -
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So, if i understand you right, you closed your former corp with loads of assets in corp hangar, and you thought they would just *pop* up again in your new corp hangar ?!
And why not? Ammo pops into your hangar when you remove a turret. Items pop into your hangar when you cancel a sell order.
The key to a good interface is consistency. If it happens sometime it should happen all the time.
In addition, nothing should ever just "disappear," regardless of action taken. If you recycle a ship with something in the hold, it should appear in your hangar, etc. Anything else is just lazy coding.
Veruna Caseti
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Noriko Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:35:00 -
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PIE too cheap to fork out for a replacement ship?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:37:00 -
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PIE too cheap to fork out for a replacement ship?
Ship? What the fark are you talking about? Do you even read the threads you reply to?
Veruna Caseti
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:38:00 -
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About a month ago someone did the same thing, no word if he ever got anything back. It's best to never asume anything.
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Noriko Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:39:00 -
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PIE too cheap to fork out for a replacement ship?
Ship? What the fark are you talking about? Do you even read the threads you reply to?
If he gets a replacement ship, he can start to build his way back up.
Do you ever think of what someone means before you reply to them?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.02 18:52:00 -
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If he gets a replacement ship, he can start to build his way back up.
Do you ever think of what someone means before you reply to them?
Maybe before you continue this argument you should actually go back and read the thread.
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Only thing i have is my ship
Hmm, sure sounds like he needs a replacement ship to me!
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he can start to build his way back up.
The very fact that he has to do this because of a silly game mechanic is the very reason he's upset.
Seriously, why post if you have nothing to offer but a silly troll that doesn't even make sense in the context of the thread?
Then people wonder why nothing ever gets discussed on these forums, and why the developers don't pay any attention to them.
Gah.
Veruna Caseti
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.11.02 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Akunosh Ryo on 02/11/2003 19:29:31
-sigh- There's that great Amarrian intelligence at work.
Otherwise. That really sucks. Sorry to hear it.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.03 01:37:00 -
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I'm guessing the responsee that you'll get from the GM's will be "We don't replace items lost through your own stupidity, have a good day"
You might reasonably claim it's an act of stupidity to believe something you read in the manual; but even so, if he was told (by the manual) that he'd have the stuff transferred to his hangar, then it damn well better HAD be transferred to his hangar. This sort of thing is inexcusable.
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.11.03 02:20:00 -
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why, in gods name did you not put everything in your personal hanger before you ended your corp?
heres your sign "stupid"
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Elentari
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Posted - 2003.11.03 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Elentari on 03/11/2003 03:43:09
HOW TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE:
I had this problem recently. Just petition it to a GM, tell him everything. He'll escalate it so that a Dev takes a look at it, and you'll get all your stuff back.
As for all you people yelling 'stupid' and so forth, before you select "Yes, I'm SURE I want to close the corp!", it specifically says all assets will be removed from corporate hangars and placed in the CEO's personal hangar, and any money in the corporate account will be split up equally among the shareholders.
This is a problem with the game, not an issue with his judgement.
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Janters
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:04:00 -
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Around a month ago I did exactly the same thing.
I got no response for around 3 weeks but was lucky enough that a GM was in the help channel when I was moaning about petition response times.
The GM took the issue on personally and within an hour I had a response.
However they only managed to find 1 original blueprint of the 10 or so that were lost.
Don't give up hope they may be able to find the equipment you lost.
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Robus
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:16:00 -
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Khyan:
Almost the same happened to my corp last week. The slight difference was that I did not wanna close it and hit the cancel "x" button once the confirmation popup window appeared. Due to a bug in the UI the corp was closed anyway. All assets gone: no more offices, corp wallet, items/ships/bps/factories, just the ship I was in is left. I petitioned a week ago and still got no response. Filed bug report, talked to GM/Polaris. No reaction so far.
Really sad, that things like this happen. I fully understand your feelings atm as it does not make any sense to continue playing without having anything left. 3 month gameplay for nothing...
You can find my original thread in the corporations forum under "Resign...all gone?".. |
PandaBoy
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:29:00 -
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And why not? Ammo pops into your hangar when you remove a turret. Items pop into your hangar when you cancel a sell order.
The key to a good interface is consistency. If it happens sometime it should happen all the time.
In addition, nothing should ever just "disappear," regardless of action taken. If you recycle a ship with something in the hold, it should appear in your hangar, etc. Anything else is just lazy coding.
It's just as silly as buying another house and expect your car, furniture and other assets to *appear* at the new home.
Veruna, go play Lemmings. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:33:00 -
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It does, quite cleary state, that all goods will be distributed amongst the shareholders and the corp disbanded when you go to delte the ceo as the last remaining character.
It pops up a warning in-game saying that.
Thus I am struggling to see why CCP should compensate you. It warns you of the consequences but you did it anyway.
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Robus
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:35:00 -
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well, if I buy a new house I can still haul the stuff from my old house to my new one...
The impounded feature is in the game and works for unpaid rents. Why is it not working for closed corporations? It is silly to take away all stuff and let it vanish.
And Panda: I hope you will never get into something similar... You won't like it |
Robus
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Robus on 03/11/2003 11:37:29
Although this are diffent cases when actively closing by hitting "ok" or canceling by "x" with the same result. |
Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.11.03 11:42:00 -
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If you've got 30-40M in assets and money, then you've played a long time.
If you have played a long time, then you should know that a lot of things, and especially descriptions, in this game are not what they appear to be.
When I closed my Corp it said the exact same thing, not knowing quite what how they were gonna distribute it (isk equivalent? mineral equivalent) I thought it better to drag everything I had to my personal hanger.
Now, if I can figure this out as, like the Slaver Race likes to call it, a mentally challenged Minnie, you could've as well.
Anyhoo... good luck with Petitioning, you will need that...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.03 17:39:00 -
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It does, quite cleary state, that all goods will be distributed amongst the shareholders and the corp disbanded when you go to delte the ceo as the last remaining character.
It pops up a warning in-game saying that.
Thus I am struggling to see why CCP should compensate you. It warns you of the consequences but you did it anyway.
Because it DIDN'T get distributed, I should think. So the warning is bullcrap, much like your post.
Try learning to read, why don'tcha.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 03/11/2003 18:03:27
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It does, quite cleary state, that all goods will be distributed amongst the shareholders and the corp disbanded when you go to delte the ceo as the last remaining character.
It pops up a warning in-game saying that.
Thus I am struggling to see why CCP should compensate you. It warns you of the consequences but you did it anyway.
Because it DIDN'T get distributed, I should think. So the warning is bullcrap, much like your post.
Try learning to read, why don'tcha.
Oh dear...
I shall be nice, though your overtly offensive attitude does not deserve such, particularly in light of you not following your own advise.
It won't be distributed if there are no shareholders.
At the point of warning he could have stopped checked either that or moved the items safely to be sure. He didn't.
He doesn't state he was a shareholder, just that he was the last member.
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even after it said that all the stuff was going to be given to all the shareholders (i was the last and only member of my corp),
In your own words:
"Try learning to read, why don'tcha."
Having done this process with active shareholders it does (did) distribute items. Being the last member of a Corporation does not mean you are a shareholder.
PS: Feel free to apologise in your own time.. I won't, of course, be holding my breath.
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Khyan
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Khyan on 03/11/2003 18:04:56
omg, reading half of these posts, most of them insulting me with 'being stupid'.
I expected alot more from this community.
Its true that im playing for a long time and i lost lots of millions, but not due to my stupidity. If the game clearly states that all goods will be distributed amongst the remaining shareholders i expect the stuff back in my personal hangar. The game is retail ffs.
if i was to question every warning ingame then i would never put out an act of aggression towards NPCs or place a buy order when nobody's selling.
but thats just me being stupid... really, i expected alot more from you guys. For those that understand, thanks for understanding. For those that don't, i pity you all.
its a sad day for eve-kind.
P.S. i started the corp, i WAS the CEO thus the only shareholder.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:06:00 -
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omg, reading half of these posts, most of them insulting me with 'being stupid'.
I expected alot more from this community.
Its true that im playing for a long time and i lost lots of millions, but not due to my stupidity. If the game clearly states that all goods will be distributed amongst the remaining shareholders i expect the stuff back in my personal hangar. The game is retail ffs.
if i was to question every warning ingame then i would never put out an act of aggression towards NPCs or place a buy order when nobody's selling.
but thats just me being stupid... really, i expected alot more from you guys. For those that understand, thanks for understanding. For those that don't, i pity you all.
its a sad day for eve-kind.
Frankly - why?
You ahven't even stated you were a shareholder.. jsut that you were the last member of the corp, which isn't the same thing.
I've done this process twice and it has worked every time where they were shareholders. It does not work if shares haven't been allocated.
I suspect this is exactly what happened to you. You received a pop-up warning and chose to carry on beyond it.. as others have stated "What more can you ask for?"
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:07:00 -
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P.S. i started the corp, i WAS the CEO thus the only shareholder.
Then there's your problem.
You weren't a shareholder if you didn't allocate shares manually.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 03/11/2003 18:17:14
Um ... if this character was the only member/shareholder and he left then doesn't that mean there are no more members/shareholders in existence and hence there is no-one that falls under any applicable category to distribute stuff to ...  
*EDIT: nevermind ... members does not necessarily = shareholders  The End. *
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 03/11/2003 18:20:35
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Um ... if this character was the only member/shareholder and he left then doesn't that mean there are NO more members/shareholders in existence and hence there is no-one that falls under any applicable category to distribute stuff to ...
No - it does actually cater for that (though whether it is by design or mistake is another matter). In essence the corp closes but the shares dont "die"... I still have shares in defunct corporations. 
Edit: I suspect it is supposed to allocate items and then delete the shares in a "cleanup" afterwards.. but is failing to "cleanup".
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:27:00 -
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Khyan,
You should have read the eve manual chapter concerning the creation and disolving of corporations and asset allocation, specifically the paragraph that covers asset distribution in case of closing the corp.
oh wait there isn't one.
still given the extensive documentation for the game you should have known what was going to happen.
oh wait there isn't any documentation.
never mind.
I guess you(like so many of the rest of us) have learned a lesson about eve the only way possible:
the hard way.
It is just the way eve is, and it does require a tremendous amount of patience. I have found the best mentality to aproach eve is to not worry about assets, and focus on having fun with friends. LOL. We just had our rare items hanger cleaned out by a corp theif and no one even cared.
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"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
-Rudyard Kipling
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 18:44:00 -
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Well there is some truth to that Xander, no denying that... but it isn't as if the DEVs totally ignored this element of Corporations.
They made a way to close a corp and even a way to handle remaining items with the future of a sharemarket still born in mind (Distribution of assests amongst shareholders).
The popup warning does clealry state what will happen to items if there are, or are not, shareholders.
There is room to suggest that the warningis not sufficient, or that it should display a list of WHO actually are the remining sharehodlers... those are definite improvements.
However Khayn hasn't approached it like that - he's critiqued the existing process whilst, i suspect, he fully realises he should have stopped and checked whther he was a shareholder. Many would simply ask why he didn't drag and drop all the contents into his own hangars.. but we don't know the distribution of his assets.
What we do know is that the proces s wroks for others and that there is a clear warning to those who go beyond a certain point without checking their own details. (Am i actually a shareholder or did I just assume I am one because im the only member left or am the CEO?)
One of the processes is a bug, the other is , in reality, just a begging letter for forgiveness of a casual msitake.
EVE punishes casual msitakes and assumptions like no other game.
I, having been in Khayn's position of closing a corp, checked. There was no documentation then ( or now) but I checked, I was cautious, I made sure.
On that basis I think it would be "wrong" to give Khayn his items back - unfair to others who did make sure and played cautiously.
Ont he other hand it would be a nice conciliatory gesture that may ensure a continued subscription (or see half a dozen quit in outrage at biased/different handling of a similar complaint).
Its a can of worms with one, fundamental point of importance:
He didn't stop and check he was a shareholder - and EVE did exactly what it said it would.
Harsh mistress.
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Robus
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Posted - 2003.11.03 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Robus on 03/11/2003 20:29:35
As I have almost the same problem than Khyan (read above):
1. I was shareholder (and still have 1000 shares of the canceled corp in my assets)
2. I hit "x" and not "ok" when the confirmation window popped up.
3. No assets distributed. Nothing left. Nothing impounded.
Dont tell me it's stupidity. It's just a big bug. And not getting any compensation is unfair. That's what it is...
(I posted my problem quite a few days before Khyans post. Just for those that think it is some kind of bandwagon jumping)
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.11.03 20:44:00 -
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Morkt - whatever.
The fact is that Khyan is/was a long standing player same as you are and same as I am.
But I still discover features everyday that I didn't read about in the manual and trial and error isn't a good enough way to learn about such things.
Also before you are too harsh on Khyan please bear in mind he has just lost stuff that he has just spent 3 months hard work getting.
Whether he made a mistake or not he is bound to be a pit ****ed off about that so please do not make him feel even more bad by telling him hes an idiot (which he is not)
The reason that Khyan left his corp was to come and join PIE. I can tell you now that I am not even sure we will see him again in the corp channel.
At the end of the day players do leave the game over such things and that is not good for EVE!
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.03 20:51:00 -
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Well, I'm not saying i cant sypmathise with him... but he's got to admit if it was a bug or whether he didn't check he actually had any shares.
One is a bug, the other is just not very good GUI coding (at worst).
That his petition hasn't been answered in 4 days = sucky.
That they won't do anything about it possibly doesn't.
For me there is an issue over whether something is a CCP mistake or a player mistake... we shouldn't go round blaming CCP for the latter.. and lords knows there are plenty enough of the former to go around everybody a few times.
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Moph
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Posted - 2003.11.03 21:05:00 -
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message should pop up:
"Your former corp assets have just been donated to save matar wolf population" 
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.03 23:08:00 -
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For me there is an issue over whether something is a CCP mistake or a player mistake... we shouldn't go round blaming CCP for the latter.. and lords knows there are plenty enough of the former to go around everybody a few times.
I would agree with this. If i had a dollar for everytime i was playing eve and found myself saying(usually after losing several million isk in some way shape or form):
"hmm, i guess i better not do that again."
well, i would still have to take out student loans, but i sure wouldn't be eating Ramen noodles for diner 5 nights a week.
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Khyan
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Posted - 2003.11.03 23:23:00 -
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ok, ill say it like it is/was. I didn't check if i was a shareholder. i just assumed that i was because i started the corp, was the only member over about 2 months and ended up as only member until i closed it.
And, please excuse my English in this but why don't you have any shares as a CEO?? i mean, you start the corp for pete's sake. Who else has them? Where are those so called 'shares' and who decides where they are and to whom they belong. (but then again, im not an expert in sales stuff & stock market things, could just be me. I just play games to have some fun, not to wear glasses and read the financial times).
The reason why i didn't moved all my stuff is because i was a long way from those places. i couldn't be bothered by doing 12 jumps to move 4 tachyons to a personal hangar, doing another 7 to move some Dual diodes to my Hangar. I just wanted to sign up with Pie Inc. and kill me some minmatar scum...
couple hours ago i got a respons from a GM saying that they are looking into it and need help from a dev for this. Which will most probably end up in not getting anything back once they see that i wasn't a shareholder (if you have my corp's shares, place step forward)
Too bad, but then im quitting the game. It was just too much to lose. it may sound retared but thats just what i have decided. Somebody very lucky is gonna receive 20 million in ISKs once i sell my ship and pay off my debt with the rest of it.
but seriously, this is something that has to be looked into by the DEVs. More information on 'what and how' could be nice.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.04 00:57:00 -
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Well I wouldn't quit over it.
It sucks for certain, and i doubt you will get anything back... but give a few days/weeks and i doubt the loss will mean anything near as much.
Certainly we can help you get back on your feet... we have 1200 run BPCs of ME20 Thacyons (4x300runs) going to waste, Multi freq BPCs (300 run) and some high ME 1500 run Hvy drone BPCS.. all yours to get back on your feet. (We arent selling them and we dont use them... inherited them from a defunct account so it would be nice to see them have a useful home)
Also have some havy and light unlimited missile BPCs that are rotting in a corner.. and some medium and small AM ammos ones.
Would be doing us a favour if you took them off us tbh.
Its not charity - I'll ask for a favour sometime down the line (but not one that will impinge on your trust with your corp etc)...
so, the offer is there.
As I said before, EVE is a harsh mistress and the playerbase largely unforgiving also.. doesn't mean we're all barstards though.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2003.11.04 01:16:00 -
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Its sad to see that so many have lowered themselves to ranting and mocking ppl.
This is a typical problem with eve that has no real manual and indeed an manual of eve would be so thick nobody would actualy read it, hell I never read those things. I can understand that you are very upset when everything you have been doing in eve apart for your char is suddenly gone. And seeing that eve can track any possesion I think devs or GM's should return it to him.
Only one at fault here is the bad explanation of the share of which nothing has been explained at all...I was under the impressing that shares where devided by the ceo and that the ceo had all shares until he decided to give them away, why should a ceo give his own shares to himself? Turned out Khyan thought the same, hell most of us here would think the same.
PIE Inc
A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.04 01:30:00 -
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I dont agree at all Ciar.
There is an element of poor "Muppet protection" but it is there. Closing a Corporation was not likely itended as a short cut to having goods transported directly to you.
You have the ability to see who has shares and as ceo have the ability to give them out. The tools are there, however imperfect, and the tools are not, in this case, to blame.
Its the start of a slippery slope handing back items lost through player negligence (and Im sorry but thats what it is) rather than a game bug.
This isn't something for CCP to pick up and run with but rather the community... if there is one.
Im tired of seeing people constantly accusing CCP and begging for items back lost through their own "processes" rather than game mechanics.
At the same time I respect people with enough courage to admit their mistake.
It would be wrong for ccp to give back these items (imo). It's a piece of cake for a community to replace them.
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Draka
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Posted - 2003.11.04 01:39:00 -
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For the exact mechanism: when a Corporation is formed, the Shares are owned by, and are to be found in, a separate Corporation Account. If you have the rights, go to the Corporation Wallet and you will see them listed there.
Once the Corporation is alive, the CEO can then transfer Shares from the Corporation Account to anyone he wishes to. The kicker? At this point, it is a one-way thing. Once those Shares are in a player's Account, they can not be sold, given away, trashed or otherwise disposed of.
Yep, I still have Shares from dead Corporations - and the Founder of my present one can't give his to me before his Account runs out! (He has quit playing, but had a 6 month subscription). Had to create new shares to insure I would have enough to gain/maintain control of the Corporation.
CEO
The Cinnaban Order
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2003.11.04 02:05:00 -
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PIE too cheap to fork out for a replacement ship?
Lower than low and completely off topic.
I symphatize deeply with both Kyan and the others in this thread stating they've experienced the very same thing. It's grave injustice and if there is a way for CCP to compensate these players, then I believe the only right thing would be to do so.
We're not talking massive amounts of ISK here either, but items earned through months of hard work. Then a game mechanic takes it all away.
Khyan I understand you fully if you decide to leave EVE because of this, yet I really hope you do not. Try out your new home in PIE for a while and I'm sure you'll stay on with the rest of us :)
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.04 02:13:00 -
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This isn't something for CCP to pick up and run with but rather the community... if there is one.
Im tired of seeing people constantly accusing CCP and begging for items back lost through their own "processes" rather than game mechanics.
The bottom line is no item should EVER just disappear into "limbo" unless in a can that explodes.
Perhaps it falls on the players to realize CCP hasn't covered all the bases of a consistent and logical design, but that doesn't mean it's not still their responsibility to do so.
If they can make ammo autodrop into my hangar when I unequip a weapon, they could make corp assets drop into the CEO's hangar when a corp is disbanded.
The fact that these assets simpy "vanish" is an inexcusable oversight, not only from a gaming standpoint but also from a software development standpoint where consistency is key and ALL contingencies should be planned for. Where was the developer asking "What happens if someone closes a corporation with assets remaining in their corp hangars?" USE CASES people, USE CASES. They didn't teach you about them in Software Engineering class for no reason.
Veruna Caseti
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.04 03:00:00 -
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The fact that these assets simpy "vanish" is an inexcusable oversight
No it isn't, mostly as they didn't "simply vanish". They were corp assets of a corp with no shareholders that was closed down. They had no owner.
Such require "cleaning up" or they simply bloat the db.
Your idea of assets dropping "Into the CEOs hangar" doesn't take into account any other instances for a corp being disbanded nor that there won't be a CEO (either then or any time).
Veruna you are doing precisely what i said people do all the time, jump on the "anti" because its in vogue.
It wasn't intended as a system for teleporting items to one players hangar from all over the galaxy - and that was what it was trying to be used for.
That's where this little bandwagon started and it was trying to be steeered to "give me all my items back even though i f-d up."
Perspective is a wonderful thing. Not always pleasant but, there ya go. Your so-called "inexcuseable oversight" is a requirment of every MOG.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.04 03:34:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 04/11/2003 03:35:07
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Veruna you are doing precisely what i said people do all the time, jump on the "anti" because its in vogue.
Morkt, I never make decisions based on what's in vogue. In fact, if I did I would no longer be playing EVE (and probably never would have started).
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Your idea of assets dropping "Into the CEOs hangar" doesn't take into account any other instances for a corp being disbanded nor that there won't be a CEO (either then or any time).
Except my idea was not to apply to "other instances" only to the one we are currently discussing. You hit on exactly my point with this comment - when the developers put the system together they should have asked "Okay, what are all the instances in which a corporation might be disbanded, and what steps should we take for each?"
In this "instance" the CEO was active, and chose to disband the corporation. Hence the assets should remain in his possession.
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It wasn't intended as a system for teleporting items to one players hangar from all over the galaxy - and that was what it was trying to be used for.
Who said anything about teleporting? They drop into the member hangar at the station where the office and assets were located.
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Perspective is a wonderful thing.
It is, unfortunately I haven't been offered any new ones on this subject.
Veruna Caseti
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.04 03:35:00 -
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And, please excuse my English in this but why don't you have any shares as a CEO?? i mean, you start the corp for pete's sake. Who else has them? Where are those so called 'shares' and who decides where they are and to whom they belong.
The shares are owned by the corporation, until you as CEO distribute them. Bizarre, but true. CCP apparently haven't cottoned on to the idea that the guy who founded the thing does actually own it.
So, if you never distributed any shares, the corporation is owned by the corporation, and when that corporation is closed, the assets will be sold off and the money given to - well, God knows who. They certainly have not been distributed amongst the shareholders, as the warning popup said they would be - that can't happen because the only shareholder no longer exists. My guess would be they've fallen into a black hole somewhere the other side of Jove space.
In short, CCP's response is likely to be "you weren't a shareholder, too bad, you lost it all." Indefensible, but there you go.
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Robus
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Posted - 2003.11.04 08:06:00 -
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I was wondering if ANYBODY replying to this threat ever has read my posts a few lines above. Your ignorance is even more annoying than the problem itself:
It is not a matter of beeing a shareholder. I still have 1000 shares in my personal wallet and transfered them manually from the corp. It does not change anything. All items are vanished and not impounded as they should be.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.11.04 08:58:00 -
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omg, reading half of these posts, most of them insulting me with 'being stupid'.
Your not stupid. this game can be very harsh in its out come, for what seems an ok action at the time.
You lost a lot of items and on your scale of loss it hurts.
The good thing is you still have the most important asset in the game, your skills.
The skills you have trained are worth much more than your lossed items.with them you can rebuild.
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NomadLord
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Posted - 2003.11.04 09:06:00 -
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im displeased for ur loss
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