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Posted - 2003.11.02 15:21:00 - [1]

This is for discussion on what sort of clan and tribal customs would survive in an urban and modern society.

How does the actual social structure and government of the Minmatar traditionalist affect his or her daily life? Of course this is up to the individual, but for the sake of argument let us assume three things.

The person has participated in the Voluval and has not received a banning or an exceptionally good mark.

The person attends 80% of the tribal or clan social functions.

The person is in a relatively large clan within the Sebeiestor or Brutor Tribes.

I perceive a mostly eastern philosophy where clan leaders are born into their position, but not by their parents, instead, these positions are theirs by the act of the Voluval.

The background information provided suggests that certain families frequently receive the same mark during the Voluval, but this is not guaranteed. This could mean someone outside of the usual leadership family could be the next to lead the Clan.

Hmmm, I might as well explain my views on the way that the clan system works.

Family û the smallest part of a Tribe.
Clan û a collection of families who live together and provide certain services for the Tribe.
Tribe û a collection of Clans that together provide all the services that one needs to survive.

So, what we are looking at is not to far off from real life. If your father is a doctor, you might become a doctor. If your father is a mechanic, you might be a mechanic. However, if your mark received from the Voluval suggests that you should not be a mechanic and instead be a doctor, then the Tribe makes sure you receive the training to be a doctor.

What I donÆt have a full grasp on is how ritualistic tribal gatherings would play a part. Is it just a form of recreation and entertainment mixed with religion sort of like football with a twist of baptism? Any suggestions or ideas here would be great.

Thanks for any comments that might help round out the Minmatar people.

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Posted - 2003.11.02 15:21:00 - [2]

This is for discussion on what sort of clan and tribal customs would survive in an urban and modern society.

How does the actual social structure and government of the Minmatar traditionalist affect his or her daily life? Of course this is up to the individual, but for the sake of argument let us assume three things.

The person has participated in the Voluval and has not received a banning or an exceptionally good mark.

The person attends 80% of the tribal or clan social functions.

The person is in a relatively large clan within the Sebeiestor or Brutor Tribes.

I perceive a mostly eastern philosophy where clan leaders are born into their position, but not by their parents, instead, these positions are theirs by the act of the Voluval.

The background information provided suggests that certain families frequently receive the same mark during the Voluval, but this is not guaranteed. This could mean someone outside of the usual leadership family could be the next to lead the Clan.

Hmmm, I might as well explain my views on the way that the clan system works.

Family û the smallest part of a Tribe.
Clan û a collection of families who live together and provide certain services for the Tribe.
Tribe û a collection of Clans that together provide all the services that one needs to survive.

So, what we are looking at is not to far off from real life. If your father is a doctor, you might become a doctor. If your father is a mechanic, you might be a mechanic. However, if your mark received from the Voluval suggests that you should not be a mechanic and instead be a doctor, then the Tribe makes sure you receive the training to be a doctor.

What I donÆt have a full grasp on is how ritualistic tribal gatherings would play a part. Is it just a form of recreation and entertainment mixed with religion sort of like football with a twist of baptism? Any suggestions or ideas here would be great.

Thanks for any comments that might help round out the Minmatar people.

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Posted - 2003.11.04 11:09:00 - [3]

I guess no one cares. >=/
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Posted - 2003.11.04 11:09:00 - [4]

I guess no one cares. >=/
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Posted - 2003.11.04 14:15:00 - [5]

It's my job in Oracle to "kick up" the RP dust and get things moving. This job is a rotating position often shared by many Oracle people.

We have a few very strong rp minded folks in Oracle, and one of the best is Sarkos, next is Jubedei and Dirtybones.

Maybe they just don't know about this one. Hopefully, Darodem or other "old school" rpers will see it soon.
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It's my job in Oracle to "kick up" the RP dust and get things moving. This job is a rotating position often shared by many Oracle people.

We have a few very strong rp minded folks in Oracle, and one of the best is Sarkos, next is Jubedei and Dirtybones.

Maybe they just don't know about this one. Hopefully, Darodem or other "old school" rpers will see it soon.
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Posted - 2003.11.05 06:42:00 - [7]

I just requested:

Contemporary Shamanism
Urban Paganism
Complete guide to Runes
Jeet Kun Do

from the library. I expect that Minmatar religion is as varied and eclectic as our world.
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Posted - 2003.11.05 06:42:00 - [8]

I just requested:

Contemporary Shamanism
Urban Paganism
Complete guide to Runes
Jeet Kun Do

from the library. I expect that Minmatar religion is as varied and eclectic as our world.
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Posted - 2003.11.08 20:32:00 - [9]

Okay, thanks for the input all.

Here is what I have so far.

Shamanism is using trances to effect the spiritual world, or to investigate events in your personal life, or to find stuff out that might help or prevent danger for your tribe/clan. The use of hallucinogenic drugs may or may not be involved, but most shamans use and prescribe the drugs to the individuals in a ritualistic ceremony.

This kind of practice could be as varied as the drugs involved, from simple, peaceful rituals to vicious and malignant.

Well, when I read up on runes I will add my findings, but eventually, we just have to make a break and make the customs and religions EVE-like.
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Posted - 2003.11.08 20:32:00 - [10]

Okay, thanks for the input all.

Here is what I have so far.

Shamanism is using trances to effect the spiritual world, or to investigate events in your personal life, or to find stuff out that might help or prevent danger for your tribe/clan. The use of hallucinogenic drugs may or may not be involved, but most shamans use and prescribe the drugs to the individuals in a ritualistic ceremony.

This kind of practice could be as varied as the drugs involved, from simple, peaceful rituals to vicious and malignant.

Well, when I read up on runes I will add my findings, but eventually, we just have to make a break and make the customs and religions EVE-like.
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Posted - 2003.11.09 11:06:00 - [11]

I am thinking there will be about 7 or 8 religions I can come up with, and out of those, perhaps provide about 20 total rituals in those religions. This would by no means mean that anything I say would be cannon, but instead might provide a foundation upon which others can build upon.

I think of the ones I make up, 4 will be benevolent, 2 will be neutral, and 1 will be very malignant and evil.

Each one will focus mostly with shamanism because in the Ray of Matar story, this seems to be the sort of dominant religion.

So, wish me luck. I will be posting some of my ideas very soon.
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Posted - 2003.11.09 11:06:00 - [12]

I am thinking there will be about 7 or 8 religions I can come up with, and out of those, perhaps provide about 20 total rituals in those religions. This would by no means mean that anything I say would be cannon, but instead might provide a foundation upon which others can build upon.

I think of the ones I make up, 4 will be benevolent, 2 will be neutral, and 1 will be very malignant and evil.

Each one will focus mostly with shamanism because in the Ray of Matar story, this seems to be the sort of dominant religion.

So, wish me luck. I will be posting some of my ideas very soon.
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Edited by: Wren on 07/01/2004 08:15:43
Holy crap, I took a nap and this thread got posted on!

Well, holistic mechanics does sound interesting.

Mechanic A: "ooooooooaaaammmmmmmmm" *smacks his back with a leafy branch and drips a thick green liquid under his tongue*

Gallente Customer: "What are you doing?"

Mechanic A: "Going into a trance so I can see the wounded spirit of your Thorax, ooooooohhhhhmmmmmm." *Branch thwak, drip*

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Okay, maybe not so goofy, but still interesting.

Anyway, I can see now that jobs wouldn't be handed down in families, and how clans would be seen as just a natural extention to the family unit.

I will have to check out books on the middle east to check for parallels with that kind of society, but really, I pictured the Minmatar as a japanese mixed with scottish type of socitety. Crazy as that sounds. I figured the criminal people of the minmatar to be like the Yakuza mixed with the Irish mob!

So, perhaps I just need to quit thinking in earth type of themes and expand my mind.

Let's get more discussion please, so help me 'break open my skull'.
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Edited by: Wren on 07/01/2004 08:15:43
Holy crap, I took a nap and this thread got posted on!

Well, holistic mechanics does sound interesting.

Mechanic A: "ooooooooaaaammmmmmmmm" *smacks his back with a leafy branch and drips a thick green liquid under his tongue*

Gallente Customer: "What are you doing?"

Mechanic A: "Going into a trance so I can see the wounded spirit of your Thorax, ooooooohhhhhmmmmmm." *Branch thwak, drip*

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Okay, maybe not so goofy, but still interesting.

Anyway, I can see now that jobs wouldn't be handed down in families, and how clans would be seen as just a natural extention to the family unit.

I will have to check out books on the middle east to check for parallels with that kind of society, but really, I pictured the Minmatar as a japanese mixed with scottish type of socitety. Crazy as that sounds. I figured the criminal people of the minmatar to be like the Yakuza mixed with the Irish mob!

So, perhaps I just need to quit thinking in earth type of themes and expand my mind.

Let's get more discussion please, so help me 'break open my skull'.
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Posted - 2004.01.08 12:13:00 - [15]

Edited by: Wren on 08/01/2004 12:17:18
Edited by: Wren on 08/01/2004 12:14:28
Based on the not old school Darodem's suggestion, we will try and break this down into managable chunks. Further, I think we should only work on the Sebiestor and Brutor tribes. This is because it will simply things greatly.


  • High Tech


  • Religious Tradition


  • Organized Crime


  • Tribal Organization


  • Educational Proceedures

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Edited by: Wren on 08/01/2004 12:17:18
Edited by: Wren on 08/01/2004 12:14:28
Based on the not old school Darodem's suggestion, we will try and break this down into managable chunks. Further, I think we should only work on the Sebiestor and Brutor tribes. This is because it will simply things greatly.


  • High Tech


  • Religious Tradition


  • Organized Crime


  • Tribal Organization


  • Educational Proceedures

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Posted - 2004.01.08 12:30:00 - [17]

Quote:

  • High Tech

I tend to think that the technology of the minmatar reflect two aspects, functionality and asthetics. It seems on their ships that they blend what only is needed with strange jutting 'sails' and other projections. The rupture is not a good example, simply because it was a design stolen from the Amarrians.
  • Religious Tradition

All we know for sure from the Ray of Matar story is that they consider certain places to be holy, and to observe this holiness, they do not build permenent structures there. Next we know that ceremonies are performed in front of a large audience. Next we know that even in these rituals, they use very advanced chemical agents. It would seem that the basis of the Minmatar rituals would therefore be linked to substances entered into the body for prescribed effects. I would venture to say that drugs, probably injected, would produce visions, trances, or other mind expanding experiences, as well as substances that would increase performance in either a physical or mental ways.
  • Organized Crime

Again, I would like to think of the crime syndicates as being organized in a clan like system, only divided into cells which would prevent the entire organization from being compromized by either a mole or siezure by police forces. A strict honor system would be in place, and those who performed well would advance quickly.

  • Tribal Organization

I think we have most of this down, familys form clans, these clans are percieved by the members as just an extended family. Clans then form Tribes. Perhaps there is a step between clans and tribes.
  • Educational Proceedures

I think the schools would have a hands on approach to most everything. A journeyman or master would teach apprentaces. This way the system would not break down when materials, such as books or computer files were lost. Probably done this way after the Day of Darkness, to ensure further generations had the needed knowledge to keep functioning. The universities would be a new addition to the republic, probably in the last few hundred years. These institutions would try to produce specialized individuals, so that training could still be done by a master professor who would work with small groups.



Lets keep this going please, the more we do, the better we can role play i think.
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Quote:

  • High Tech

I tend to think that the technology of the minmatar reflect two aspects, functionality and asthetics. It seems on their ships that they blend what only is needed with strange jutting 'sails' and other projections. The rupture is not a good example, simply because it was a design stolen from the Amarrians.
  • Religious Tradition

All we know for sure from the Ray of Matar story is that they consider certain places to be holy, and to observe this holiness, they do not build permenent structures there. Next we know that ceremonies are performed in front of a large audience. Next we know that even in these rituals, they use very advanced chemical agents. It would seem that the basis of the Minmatar rituals would therefore be linked to substances entered into the body for prescribed effects. I would venture to say that drugs, probably injected, would produce visions, trances, or other mind expanding experiences, as well as substances that would increase performance in either a physical or mental ways.
  • Organized Crime

Again, I would like to think of the crime syndicates as being organized in a clan like system, only divided into cells which would prevent the entire organization from being compromized by either a mole or siezure by police forces. A strict honor system would be in place, and those who performed well would advance quickly.

  • Tribal Organization

I think we have most of this down, familys form clans, these clans are percieved by the members as just an extended family. Clans then form Tribes. Perhaps there is a step between clans and tribes.
  • Educational Proceedures

I think the schools would have a hands on approach to most everything. A journeyman or master would teach apprentaces. This way the system would not break down when materials, such as books or computer files were lost. Probably done this way after the Day of Darkness, to ensure further generations had the needed knowledge to keep functioning. The universities would be a new addition to the republic, probably in the last few hundred years. These institutions would try to produce specialized individuals, so that training could still be done by a master professor who would work with small groups.



Lets keep this going please, the more we do, the better we can role play i think.
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Posted - 2004.01.20 10:32:00 - [19]

I was thinking last night, with help from someone I was talking to (you know who you are, don't ya?) and the subject of rituals came up, especially one which would serve a purpose in altering social patterns and structures.

Say a tribe had rituals that would ensure that all children would be conceived in a few days apart from all the other children. This would then mean that they would be born close to the same time. In this way, the mothers could all share responsibilities as they raised the children communally. This would also lead to a more streamlined educational and training system, as all of the kids would be near the same age. This would help a small community; say a few hundred at the most, wouldn't you think? As an entire generation would be able to be trained at once, and then later train the next generation?

Also, what about the drugs? What kinds of effects would, could and should have places within the tribal community? Don't you think that there would be conscious expanding drugs for creating visions that could be interpreted by wise men to learn things about the individual or about the community? What about aggression or alertness enhancing drugs which could be used before fights or hunts to further increase the effectiveness?

Anyway, just a few more ideas thrown out to see what sticks on the wall.

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I was thinking last night, with help from someone I was talking to (you know who you are, don't ya?) and the subject of rituals came up, especially one which would serve a purpose in altering social patterns and structures.

Say a tribe had rituals that would ensure that all children would be conceived in a few days apart from all the other children. This would then mean that they would be born close to the same time. In this way, the mothers could all share responsibilities as they raised the children communally. This would also lead to a more streamlined educational and training system, as all of the kids would be near the same age. This would help a small community; say a few hundred at the most, wouldn't you think? As an entire generation would be able to be trained at once, and then later train the next generation?

Also, what about the drugs? What kinds of effects would, could and should have places within the tribal community? Don't you think that there would be conscious expanding drugs for creating visions that could be interpreted by wise men to learn things about the individual or about the community? What about aggression or alertness enhancing drugs which could be used before fights or hunts to further increase the effectiveness?

Anyway, just a few more ideas thrown out to see what sticks on the wall.

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Posted - 2004.04.20 08:39:00 - [21]

Hey, I was doing some research and found lots of info on tribal weddings.

As always, it said that there are so many different customs that are specific to one tribe, that it is hard to generalize anything into just a 'tribal' custom.

I wish we could get CCP to give us some examples of both Sebiestor customs as well as Brutor, Thukker, and anything else that they can. It's hard to play a fundamentalist/revivalist sorta spirital shaman wannabe dude when you don't know what you are doing!
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Posted - 2004.04.20 08:39:00 - [22]

Hey, I was doing some research and found lots of info on tribal weddings.

As always, it said that there are so many different customs that are specific to one tribe, that it is hard to generalize anything into just a 'tribal' custom.

I wish we could get CCP to give us some examples of both Sebiestor customs as well as Brutor, Thukker, and anything else that they can. It's hard to play a fundamentalist/revivalist sorta spirital shaman wannabe dude when you don't know what you are doing!
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Posted - 2004.04.20 11:01:00 - [23]

So, is there any chance that I can get like, 3-5 sebiestors players to help make a rough 'traditional' customs and a group of 4-6 brutor players do the same?

I would like that the groups just add all ideas into one pot, and keep the sebiestor and the brutor pot seperate.

I see the Sebiestor having similarities to the celtic and asian tribal cultures and the brutor more like the african, island, and native american customs.

If that makes any sense.


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Posted - 2004.04.20 11:01:00 - [24]

So, is there any chance that I can get like, 3-5 sebiestors players to help make a rough 'traditional' customs and a group of 4-6 brutor players do the same?

I would like that the groups just add all ideas into one pot, and keep the sebiestor and the brutor pot seperate.

I see the Sebiestor having similarities to the celtic and asian tribal cultures and the brutor more like the african, island, and native american customs.

If that makes any sense.


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Posted - 2004.04.20 13:19:00 - [25]

Ashe,

Interesting idea.

So would you consider possibly leading the Brutor group?
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Posted - 2004.04.20 13:19:00 - [26]

Ashe,

Interesting idea.

So would you consider possibly leading the Brutor group?
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Posted - 2004.04.25 05:45:00 - [27]

Okay, I just requested some more books, one about body modification including tattoos, piercings and brandings, and then some books oh holistic healing and runes.

Adding this with the stuff I leaned about budo and bujitsu and the small amount of reading from native american and asian customs, I am begining to get ideas and inspiration.

If some of the sebiestors who are heavy into rp could contact me ingame with an eve-mail or a convo at any time could, I would like to set up some serious rap sessions and brainstorming.
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Posted - 2004.04.25 05:45:00 - [28]

Okay, I just requested some more books, one about body modification including tattoos, piercings and brandings, and then some books oh holistic healing and runes.

Adding this with the stuff I leaned about budo and bujitsu and the small amount of reading from native american and asian customs, I am begining to get ideas and inspiration.

If some of the sebiestors who are heavy into rp could contact me ingame with an eve-mail or a convo at any time could, I would like to set up some serious rap sessions and brainstorming.
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Posted - 2004.04.26 12:20:00 - [29]

Very interesting.
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Posted - 2004.04.26 12:20:00 - [30]

Very interesting.
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Posted - 2004.04.27 05:53:00 - [31]

Disco, I was looking at chemicals introduced by injections into specific areas of the body. The amarrian overlords were probably very good at injecting the enslaved minmatar people. The chemicals they also intruduced was probably also very effective and so might have come off as magical.

I was going to go for different sorts of rituals that would use injections that go into the fingers, back/spine, torso, arms, and neck.

I was going to go for halucinagenic, mood altering, physical enhancement (increased strength or resistance to pain) and all other sorts of things, and all surrounded by a ritualistic covering.

It's the coverings I am having trouble with. Maybe many injections would be used on certain tattooed areas? (to cover the tracks) Do more tattoos mean that you are more in tune with the rituals and practice them more often?

I was starting to think maybe the shamans actually know what the gizmos do, how they do it, and play it up as magical for the masses.

What has survived the occupation, and what is a product of the occupation?

What are the voluval marks? Why haven't we ever gotten a list?

My books will be in tomorrow at the public library. I will see if they have anything on technoshamanism, but I seriously doubt it.
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Posted - 2004.04.27 05:53:00 - [32]

Disco, I was looking at chemicals introduced by injections into specific areas of the body. The amarrian overlords were probably very good at injecting the enslaved minmatar people. The chemicals they also intruduced was probably also very effective and so might have come off as magical.

I was going to go for different sorts of rituals that would use injections that go into the fingers, back/spine, torso, arms, and neck.

I was going to go for halucinagenic, mood altering, physical enhancement (increased strength or resistance to pain) and all other sorts of things, and all surrounded by a ritualistic covering.

It's the coverings I am having trouble with. Maybe many injections would be used on certain tattooed areas? (to cover the tracks) Do more tattoos mean that you are more in tune with the rituals and practice them more often?

I was starting to think maybe the shamans actually know what the gizmos do, how they do it, and play it up as magical for the masses.

What has survived the occupation, and what is a product of the occupation?

What are the voluval marks? Why haven't we ever gotten a list?

My books will be in tomorrow at the public library. I will see if they have anything on technoshamanism, but I seriously doubt it.
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:16:00 - [33]

Okay, well if injection is in, then perhaps inhalers and pills would also be used?
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:16:00 - [34]

Okay, well if injection is in, then perhaps inhalers and pills would also be used?
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Thanks Tsual!

Lots of things for me to read at work tonight instead of scrolling through the Oracle, CA, Official and EVE P&P boards. Sometimes I drive myself crazy waiting for 'the next' post. heh.

So, anyway, with this and the other stuff I have to read, expect a short break whilst I digest the info and let it perculate.
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Thanks Tsual!

Lots of things for me to read at work tonight instead of scrolling through the Oracle, CA, Official and EVE P&P boards. Sometimes I drive myself crazy waiting for 'the next' post. heh.

So, anyway, with this and the other stuff I have to read, expect a short break whilst I digest the info and let it perculate.
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Edited by: Wren on 02/08/2004 07:46:37
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Here is what I am working on right now.


  • Technoshamanism/Technomancy - In this, technology embodies a spiritual characteristic or is used to contact/mediate with spirits or visit the spiritual world. The technology can range from sound stimuli, chemical enhancement or modification of normal brain functions, or other means of altering the consciousness. The Technoshaman uses technology to help others or affect change within the spiritual realms. The Technoshaman is also the person who can use technology to affect a group or tribe of people during meetings by using lights, sounds or other stimuli to trigger or alter moods and perceptions. Technomancy is attributing magical or spiritual qualities to technological devices.


  • Runes - These are written characters which represent not only the physical and literal, but also metaphoric and other meanings that only a runemaster can fully appreciate. These runes can be used for lot casting, inscriptions on items, or for riddles or oracles.


  • Self or Body - This area covers meditation, mind over matter, martial training or other physical activities that initiate a higher understanding of the self and the spiritual and emotional energies. Chi, ki, or other energy cores are tapped for power that can be used to perform amazing physical acts or to tap into a higher consciousness. The Seven Forms is an example. This is also related to shamanism where an individual in motion can experience things on a different level, such as dancing or ritualistic forms.


  • Black Arts - Voodoo. The use of objects to affect others or the spirit world. Dominated by hexes, curses, and the channeling of darker powers and spirits. Probably involves painful or harmful rituals such as ritualistic scarring or branding, blows to the skull, hanging or suffocation, or anything else that could use pain as a medium to altering consciousness.


  • Evocism - The use of the spoken word or songs to affect the spiritual and physical world. Closely tied with Runes.



  • A truely wise shaman would use basically 'tools' from any or all of the above.
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    Here is what I am working on right now.


  • Technoshamanism/Technomancy - In this, technology embodies a spiritual characteristic or is used to contact/mediate with spirits or visit the spiritual world. The technology can range from sound stimuli, chemical enhancement or modification of normal brain functions, or other means of altering the consciousness. The Technoshaman uses technology to help others or affect change within the spiritual realms. The Technoshaman is also the person who can use technology to affect a group or tribe of people during meetings by using lights, sounds or other stimuli to trigger or alter moods and perceptions. Technomancy is attributing magical or spiritual qualities to technological devices.


  • Runes - These are written characters which represent not only the physical and literal, but also metaphoric and other meanings that only a runemaster can fully appreciate. These runes can be used for lot casting, inscriptions on items, or for riddles or oracles.


  • Self or Body - This area covers meditation, mind over matter, martial training or other physical activities that initiate a higher understanding of the self and the spiritual and emotional energies. Chi, ki, or other energy cores are tapped for power that can be used to perform amazing physical acts or to tap into a higher consciousness. The Seven Forms is an example. This is also related to shamanism where an individual in motion can experience things on a different level, such as dancing or ritualistic forms.


  • Black Arts - Voodoo. The use of objects to affect others or the spirit world. Dominated by hexes, curses, and the channeling of darker powers and spirits. Probably involves painful or harmful rituals such as ritualistic scarring or branding, blows to the skull, hanging or suffocation, or anything else that could use pain as a medium to altering consciousness.


  • Evocism - The use of the spoken word or songs to affect the spiritual and physical world. Closely tied with Runes.



  • A truely wise shaman would use basically 'tools' from any or all of the above.
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    Posted - 2004.05.03 05:29:00 - [39]

    The tools of the TechnoShaman:
    Auditory and visual stimulus û The shaman can use lights and sounds to alter the mood, perceptions, and energy levels of individuals as well as groups. Dancing, singing, chanting, or performing can be involved. (think the Zion ôraveö during matrix 2). High tech sound systems, laser lights and holographic emission are some of the more common tools used.

    Random Icon/number generation û the shaman can use a number of means to randomly generate icons, symbols, numbers or letters, and then interprets them. Data pads, dice, lots, holographic emitters, magnetic pieces (which when tossed connect in random ways to generate icons or characters), or chemicals (making different colors and transparencies) can be used in this random generation.

    Spirit Wanderlust û This injected drug effects the brain. The injection is given through the jugular vein or the tear duct. The user experiences an almost immediate hallucination, the length of which is determined by the dose. Usually, this is kept to within an hour, as any longer the danger of permanent brain damage starts to increase dramatically. Side effects from the drug are inability to sleep, headaches, blurred vision and speech, temporary paralysis, and in some cases reduction of short term memory.

    Bio-luminescent chemicals û A new addition to the shaman tools is a chemical which when properly mixed with the combined blood of all the participants creates a colorless, odorless, and permanent ink which will glow in a variety of colors when pressed against an area of skin marked with the same batch of ink. This has been used in recent years for tattoos of brides and grooms, blood brothers, or adopted children and parents.

    Death Spikes û this line of chemical injections simulate near death symptoms. There are some that effect heart rate, breathing, blood pressure, and other vital life functions. Users are placed into a state near death where they can experience hallucinations or introspective journeys. These are very dangerous drugs, and many who use them never fully recover, some even die. The injections are given in different areas, from the heart, spine, throat, or arms.

    Stardust û This is an inhaled chemical powder which expands consciousness and causes hallucinations. The powder also affects the endorphin generators. This drug is highly addictive. The shaman will hold a fistful of the powder and blow it into the nose and mouth of the user, however abusers of the drug just snort it. Withdraw from this drug can lead to depression, confusion and disorientation, shakes, and in some cases bleeding tear ducts.

    Other drugs û many other drugs can be used to journey into the self consciousness or spiritual world. There are others used purely for their mood altering effects. Any chemical substance used on someone can be called a part of technoshamanism if the individual can learn more about himself or the spiritual world around him.

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    Posted - 2004.05.03 05:29:00 - [40]

    The tools of the TechnoShaman:
    Auditory and visual stimulus û The shaman can use lights and sounds to alter the mood, perceptions, and energy levels of individuals as well as groups. Dancing, singing, chanting, or performing can be involved. (think the Zion ôraveö during matrix 2). High tech sound systems, laser lights and holographic emission are some of the more common tools used.

    Random Icon/number generation û the shaman can use a number of means to randomly generate icons, symbols, numbers or letters, and then interprets them. Data pads, dice, lots, holographic emitters, magnetic pieces (which when tossed connect in random ways to generate icons or characters), or chemicals (making different colors and transparencies) can be used in this random generation.

    Spirit Wanderlust û This injected drug effects the brain. The injection is given through the jugular vein or the tear duct. The user experiences an almost immediate hallucination, the length of which is determined by the dose. Usually, this is kept to within an hour, as any longer the danger of permanent brain damage starts to increase dramatically. Side effects from the drug are inability to sleep, headaches, blurred vision and speech, temporary paralysis, and in some cases reduction of short term memory.

    Bio-luminescent chemicals û A new addition to the shaman tools is a chemical which when properly mixed with the combined blood of all the participants creates a colorless, odorless, and permanent ink which will glow in a variety of colors when pressed against an area of skin marked with the same batch of ink. This has been used in recent years for tattoos of brides and grooms, blood brothers, or adopted children and parents.

    Death Spikes û this line of chemical injections simulate near death symptoms. There are some that effect heart rate, breathing, blood pressure, and other vital life functions. Users are placed into a state near death where they can experience hallucinations or introspective journeys. These are very dangerous drugs, and many who use them never fully recover, some even die. The injections are given in different areas, from the heart, spine, throat, or arms.

    Stardust û This is an inhaled chemical powder which expands consciousness and causes hallucinations. The powder also affects the endorphin generators. This drug is highly addictive. The shaman will hold a fistful of the powder and blow it into the nose and mouth of the user, however abusers of the drug just snort it. Withdraw from this drug can lead to depression, confusion and disorientation, shakes, and in some cases bleeding tear ducts.

    Other drugs û many other drugs can be used to journey into the self consciousness or spiritual world. There are others used purely for their mood altering effects. Any chemical substance used on someone can be called a part of technoshamanism if the individual can learn more about himself or the spiritual world around him.

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    Posted - 2004.05.03 09:07:00 - [41]

    Elemental thoughts:

    Instead of the four elements we see used alot, Earth, Fire, Water and Wind/Air, I think it would be interesting to discuss a possibility that the Minmatar see seven, since seven appears to be a special number for the Minmatar.

    Heat
    Cold
    Solid
    Liquid
    Gas
    Light
    Darkness


    As you can see, you can still get anything by using one or a combination of elements.

    Any thoughts?
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    Posted - 2004.05.03 09:07:00 - [42]

    Elemental thoughts:

    Instead of the four elements we see used alot, Earth, Fire, Water and Wind/Air, I think it would be interesting to discuss a possibility that the Minmatar see seven, since seven appears to be a special number for the Minmatar.

    Heat
    Cold
    Solid
    Liquid
    Gas
    Light
    Darkness


    As you can see, you can still get anything by using one or a combination of elements.

    Any thoughts?
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    Posted - 2004.05.04 03:44:00 - [43]

    Yeah, why make it simple.

    Any other comments on Elements or Technoshamanism? If not I will move to the next few classifications I have earlier up.
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    Yeah, why make it simple.

    Any other comments on Elements or Technoshamanism? If not I will move to the next few classifications I have earlier up.
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    Posted - 2004.05.10 08:19:00 - [45]

    Runes:

    Runes are symbols that are used to discribe not only a sound, but something physical as well as spritual or beyond the physical.

    Runes can be spoken, written, or visualized.

    Combinations of runes can be used to record knowlege. This knowlege is dynamic, and as the universe changes, so too does the meaning of the combined runes.

    There are probably several different sets of runes spread out amounst the Minmatar. Probably two distinct sets, one for the Sebiestor and one for the Brutor, and then sub-sets of these, however, a true runemaster would have knowlege of as many runes as he can.

    The runes can impart power to items (if only percieved by the practitioners of runic arts), or ward the user or his companions.


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    Body or self:

    This catagory can be known as physical adepts. These are people who delve into the mysteries and energies of the human body. They percieve themselves as energy as well as matter, and tap into this energy to shape their perceptions, thoughts and feelings.

    This can be anyone who achieves a level of supreme or professional knowlege in a physical activity. Miners who split rocks all day might experience a piece of mind and clarity where every strike with the pick hits the exact area they want. Maybe a farmer whose plow sinks to the perfect depth repeatedly. Most cases however, it takes years of training in a way that emphisizes the relationship of the physical affecting the spiritual and emotional aspects of the self.

    Usually, these sort of people discribe an energy that connects all life.

    There are probably many types of religions or schools for this training.
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    Runes:

    Runes are symbols that are used to discribe not only a sound, but something physical as well as spritual or beyond the physical.

    Runes can be spoken, written, or visualized.

    Combinations of runes can be used to record knowlege. This knowlege is dynamic, and as the universe changes, so too does the meaning of the combined runes.

    There are probably several different sets of runes spread out amounst the Minmatar. Probably two distinct sets, one for the Sebiestor and one for the Brutor, and then sub-sets of these, however, a true runemaster would have knowlege of as many runes as he can.

    The runes can impart power to items (if only percieved by the practitioners of runic arts), or ward the user or his companions.


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    Body or self:

    This catagory can be known as physical adepts. These are people who delve into the mysteries and energies of the human body. They percieve themselves as energy as well as matter, and tap into this energy to shape their perceptions, thoughts and feelings.

    This can be anyone who achieves a level of supreme or professional knowlege in a physical activity. Miners who split rocks all day might experience a piece of mind and clarity where every strike with the pick hits the exact area they want. Maybe a farmer whose plow sinks to the perfect depth repeatedly. Most cases however, it takes years of training in a way that emphisizes the relationship of the physical affecting the spiritual and emotional aspects of the self.

    Usually, these sort of people discribe an energy that connects all life.

    There are probably many types of religions or schools for this training.
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    Posted - 2004.05.20 11:45:00 - [47]

    Okay, I am going to write up some examples of several of the different kinds of rituals.

    If any of the others want to help, eve-mail me or convo me at any time.
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    Posted - 2004.05.20 11:45:00 - [48]

    Okay, I am going to write up some examples of several of the different kinds of rituals.

    If any of the others want to help, eve-mail me or convo me at any time.
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    Posted - 2004.08.02 07:47:00 - [49]

    I uh, basically haven't done anything in the last few weeks with this stuff.

    Let me know if I should reread all of this and continue work.
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    Posted - 2004.08.02 07:47:00 - [50]

    I uh, basically haven't done anything in the last few weeks with this stuff.

    Let me know if I should reread all of this and continue work.
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    I uh, basically haven't done anything in the last few weeks with this stuff.

    Let me know if I should reread all of this and continue work.
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    Posted - 2004.08.03 07:25:00 - [52]

    So what is needed, a sort of encyclopedia with rituals or ritualistic basics, or...

    Going back and reading from the front, the original idea was to see how involved the average Minmatar was in the ritualistic/tribal practices while still being a member of a modern and techno savvy culture.

    I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life.

    Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? Blargh.


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    Posted - 2004.08.03 07:25:00 - [53]

    So what is needed, a sort of encyclopedia with rituals or ritualistic basics, or...

    Going back and reading from the front, the original idea was to see how involved the average Minmatar was in the ritualistic/tribal practices while still being a member of a modern and techno savvy culture.

    I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life.

    Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? Blargh.


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    Posted - 2004.08.03 07:25:00 - [54]

    So what is needed, a sort of encyclopedia with rituals or ritualistic basics, or...

    Going back and reading from the front, the original idea was to see how involved the average Minmatar was in the ritualistic/tribal practices while still being a member of a modern and techno savvy culture.

    I still don't have any clue or frame of refrence on how any of this ritualistic stuff plays a part in day to day life.

    Is it regulated? Are there appointed or elected or whatever people who sponser, mediate, or preside over public rituals? Elders? Do they carry as much clout as say, a successful business man/woman? Scientist? Blargh.


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    Posted - 2004.08.03 12:12:00 - [55]

    It's not only likely, but more like assuredly.

    Also, I wonder how many elements in current Minmatar rituals/rites/practices have other race's roots, learned or snatched from the other peoples enslaved by the Amarrians.

    How do you rebuild a culture?
    It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists.

    Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. Maybe all Thukkers used to wear kilts/skirts. Maybe maybe maybe, but all that stuff was lost.

    So I guess we would have to see what is actually left.


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    Posted - 2004.08.03 12:12:00 - [56]

    It's not only likely, but more like assuredly.

    Also, I wonder how many elements in current Minmatar rituals/rites/practices have other race's roots, learned or snatched from the other peoples enslaved by the Amarrians.

    How do you rebuild a culture?
    It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists.

    Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. Maybe all Thukkers used to wear kilts/skirts. Maybe maybe maybe, but all that stuff was lost.

    So I guess we would have to see what is actually left.


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    Posted - 2004.08.03 12:12:00 - [57]

    It's not only likely, but more like assuredly.

    Also, I wonder how many elements in current Minmatar rituals/rites/practices have other race's roots, learned or snatched from the other peoples enslaved by the Amarrians.

    How do you rebuild a culture?
    It looks like certain fragments of the culture that escaped Amarrian squeltching are important, but one wonders if there was even more important or widely accepted or used pieces that were totally wiped out through systematic means from the Amarrian holders/propagandists.

    Maybe orginally all Brutors were vegetarians. Maybe all Thukkers used to wear kilts/skirts. Maybe maybe maybe, but all that stuff was lost.

    So I guess we would have to see what is actually left.


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    Posted - 2004.08.17 10:41:00 - [58]

    So I guess after rereading all of this, I have to think that the culture is just a mixed bag of different things thrown together and haphazzardly, using broken/fragmented stories from before the occupation as well as actual but probably distorted and evolved traditions and customs.

    So what can one do?

    Well, I guess I can sit down and write some sort of short discription of the general idea of each type of ritualistic root, kinda what I have been doing, except not so specific on the actual pieces inside each group, so yeah, Shamanism, but this can cover Animal totems, techno, hollistic, and so on and so on.

    Individual clans could, and probably would have their own distinct and varied customs and traditions, even if it meant break away clans.

    Basically, you are looking at a near infinate amount of choices here, but maybe with a little foundation of ideas, these choices and backgrounds for characters can be fleshed out a bit.

    I wish CCP would give us a list of the effects of say, a dozen voluval markings are. That would help a bunch, but it doesn't seem like it will happen.
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    Posted - 2004.08.17 10:41:00 - [59]

    So I guess after rereading all of this, I have to think that the culture is just a mixed bag of different things thrown together and haphazzardly, using broken/fragmented stories from before the occupation as well as actual but probably distorted and evolved traditions and customs.

    So what can one do?

    Well, I guess I can sit down and write some sort of short discription of the general idea of each type of ritualistic root, kinda what I have been doing, except not so specific on the actual pieces inside each group, so yeah, Shamanism, but this can cover Animal totems, techno, hollistic, and so on and so on.

    Individual clans could, and probably would have their own distinct and varied customs and traditions, even if it meant break away clans.

    Basically, you are looking at a near infinate amount of choices here, but maybe with a little foundation of ideas, these choices and backgrounds for characters can be fleshed out a bit.

    I wish CCP would give us a list of the effects of say, a dozen voluval markings are. That would help a bunch, but it doesn't seem like it will happen.
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    Posted - 2004.08.17 10:41:00 - [60]

    So I guess after rereading all of this, I have to think that the culture is just a mixed bag of different things thrown together and haphazzardly, using broken/fragmented stories from before the occupation as well as actual but probably distorted and evolved traditions and customs.

    So what can one do?

    Well, I guess I can sit down and write some sort of short discription of the general idea of each type of ritualistic root, kinda what I have been doing, except not so specific on the actual pieces inside each group, so yeah, Shamanism, but this can cover Animal totems, techno, hollistic, and so on and so on.

    Individual clans could, and probably would have their own distinct and varied customs and traditions, even if it meant break away clans.

    Basically, you are looking at a near infinate amount of choices here, but maybe with a little foundation of ideas, these choices and backgrounds for characters can be fleshed out a bit.

    I wish CCP would give us a list of the effects of say, a dozen voluval markings are. That would help a bunch, but it doesn't seem like it will happen.
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    Posted - 2007.03.23 15:56:00 - [61]

    Brining this back for people who have too much time on their hands.
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    Well, unfortunately, I would bet people who try to immigrate into Minmatar society would be looked at as second class, first you don't belong to the families (unless you marry in) and secondly you haven't participated in all the status rituals.

    I talked to Taurevanime last night and we thought of a few ideas.

    One would be to set up a basic foundation for each tribe in tribal terms, pulling from real world cultures to fix characteristics to them so then we could pull from that and make individual tribe rituals and a basis for judging how involved a character is in relation to the standard level of ritualisitc participation.

    I hope that made sense.

    What I am saying is we say for instance, Sebiestor are like X, the usual Sebiestor traditional participates in X hours a week.


    We would do this for the 4 major Republic tribes, and probably skip the Nefantar, Thukker and Starkmanir.

    Thukker don't even consider themselves tribal anymore, I don't think.

    On this foundation we could pound holes in it that the Amarrians would definately want removed to make each tribe managable, and then pull in aspects from the Amarrian religion that might make sense to be adapted/adopted.

    I also am going to read up on that island. Sounds interesting.
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    Posted - 2007.03.28 21:54:00 - [63]

    What I would really like is two things:

    That book that Karin is reading with all the tattoo meanings

    A list of Destiny Marks, and the importance of where these Marks are.


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    Posted - 2007.03.29 14:28:00 - [64]

    Even with this religion, it isn't a straight deity worship system. Praying wouldn't help much I don't think.
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    Posted - 2007.03.30 12:05:00 - [65]

    Alas, I can never turn down an offer of in game poking.

    Expect a convo/mail soon.
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    Posted - 2007.03.30 17:34:00 - [66]

    How would everyone feel if I sketched up a few marks?
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    Posted - 2007.04.06 19:30:00 - [67]

    Originally by: Taurevanime
    Okay I had a crazy idea going for the strong affinity the Minmatar seem to have with sails and I figured that there were no strong beasts of burden like horses or oxen on the Matari homeworld, apart from maybe the Brutor but I'll get to that later.

    So lets take the Sebiestor as an example they live on vast open steppes and of course they can walk across it, but with the invention of the wheel they have carts. But nobody wants to pull a heavy cart all day so they started putting sails on them to at least reduce the workload a little when they could. And in the artic lands they simply fitted skis to them.

    Now the Verhioker took it a step beyond being the nomadic people that they are. They created large land sailing ships to traverse the dangerous deserts where they lived, transporting themselves and all their belongings at once from oasis to oasis.

    The Brutor living on small tropical islands used sailing ships of course to move about.


    I did some thinking and well cities and villages couldn't really be developed to larger levels because of the lack of beasts of burden. So the Sebiestor started building their towns on hillslopes and creating two markets as it were on them. On the crest was the market were goods would be bought and on the bottom the market where they'd be sold. This made ease of transporting goods throughout the cities easier at least. it also resulted in the first planned cities on Minmatar.

    Because of their city planning and overall cunning the Sebiestor tribe grew larger and larger untill it eventually got in contact with the sea. After a course of decades maybe centuries a Sebiestor or Brutor ship got in contact with each other and after some initial misunderstanding (The sebiestor thinking the Brutor to be giants) the Brutor traded their oxen to the Sebiestor for other valluables of a kind, marking the start of true progress on the Matari mainland now that they would no longer be constraint by where their sailing carts could go, nor did they have to found cities on hills anymore.

    However the oxen were strong and made the smaller land sailing vessels obsolete, the larger ones were still able to transport more goods quicker over larger distances. And so the sail holds a special place in all Matari hearts and traditions?


    Brilliant.

    Also, remember that Minmatar "displayed a level of mechanical technology that has never been seen before or after the enslavement"

    I always pictured them as having all sorts of wind, water, beast or other sources of energy that protected the environment (but after the occupation that love for 'green' energy was destroyed and now the planet is slowly being polluted).

    The mountain tribes (Vhrekor) might have built massive windmills that powered elevators and maybe even huge underground hydroponic farms (with shafts to let in light and mirros to diffuse this light and the power from the windmills kept water pumped into these areas).

    I have a feeling that the potential for neat stuff is limitless here.

    As far as my sketches of marks, I haven't had much progress, I can't actually draw well.

    I'll keep at it however and try to at least make a few.
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