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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:14:00 -
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Ok, I sit here at work and we have a fair share of WoW players here, well... I am apart of the small group of EVE Players and we butt heads quite often. Well one of the WoW players had the audacity of saying that WoW PvP was more Realistic than EVE PvP. Well, I personaly was about to go up a flight of stairs and just stab him in the head a then ransom his pod... I mean corpse, but anyhow... I wanted the opinion of the EVE players out there and lets not go into a flame war here about WoW, but some good honost discussions about how WoW PvP and EVE PvP is comparable and which would you say is more realistic.
I will then bring this up to some of the WoW players we have upstairs and see if they can come up with some counter discussions. I have a feeling we may just have some fun with this one.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: MindBender on 21/10/2006 17:18:49
I can agree with you on that one, but Sci-Fi and Fantasy can be both just made up... Where as a WoW player could argue saying that does EVE have an attack rating??
And you may not be able to compare two makebelieve things, but I think there are plenty of players out there that would say otherwise, I personally will argue in EVE's favor when it comes to this.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:26:00 -
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Alright, I can fully understand that... I know the 'realism' is debatable really when it comes to these games, but I can fully agree with you on the complexity would make the game... WoW being a more simple and easier to learn and EVE being a more complex and indepth game.
But what if you did have to compare the two games on the lvl of PvP though??
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Exiled One
Wow and PVP? Are your co-workers mentally disabled?
LOL, well.. most of them are tech support so that could be debatable.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
You cant really compare them, they are just too different.
Personally I think anything can be compared.. where as WoW PvP has less of a risk and EVE PvP has more risk, when you lose your ship you actually have a loss that could take you up to a week or so just to get back.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian
"Realistic" is a subjective term. In other words, it all depends on the viewpoint of each person. Eve's PvP is definitely far more complex, and has more risk. It also probably requires more skill to participate in successfully. However, just because it's more difficult, doesn't necessarily make it more realistic.
WoW and Eve cater to player bases that are pretty much polar opposites of each other. Thus, the hardcore players on each side will believe that their version is better.
So very true... this is very true... but lets bring up some actually points... how can we as EVE Players make the WoW player shut up?
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aterna
Eve's physics engine is leaps and bounds more realistic then WoW's. Arrows go through landscapes, trees, around corners to hit enemies being just one example. At least in eve missiles go around friendly ships to hit enemy ships, go around stations. Even though projectile fire doesn't, it is still far and above more realistic.
Eve's universe is far more believable as well. The Fictional reasoning for things like jump gates, warping, instant communication over light years of distance, it all is explained in such away that it could be possible.
And in WoW people throw fireballs and jump 10 feet in the air, can be polymorphed or turn into a really ugly bear. You can lay traps that freeze people into a block of ice. realistic. right...and pigs fly.
Really, aside from the fact that ships in eve handle more like submarines then space ships, it's vastly more realistic then WoW.
This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear... thank you...
EVE is a game of possible things that COULD happen, maybe not in near future... but a couple hundred years from now.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/10/2006 17:53:46
Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/10/2006 17:52:18
wow PVP is stupidly realistic! i mean cmon! you die and have to run back to your corpse! and the loot and armor isnt lootable just like when you kill them in real life!
im forever chain casting fireballs at people in the street who annoy me, i think i may need to respec though as the ignite trait doesnt seem to happen to often ,a chav class thug owned me in the park and stole all my gold 
btw spaceships , railguns , lasers , artillery , auto cannons , missiles of all types will never exist in real life where as we have magic already
Do I feel alittle sarcasim? Naaaaaaaa
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: MindBender on 21/10/2006 19:00:49
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Noriath
Say what you want about WoW, endgame PvP is balanced very well and good fun. The big advantage Eve has over WoW in the PvP department is that in Eve you don't need to be at the highest possible level to really affect a fight, a noob with a warpscrambler can be the nail in your coffin under the right circumstances.
Which is more reastic and answers the thread starter's question. Everyone thank you. Dismissed. 
Well... I have to say everyone has done a great job on this one... tons of full thought out answers.. Now I will pass these up to my co-workers and see if they can compare with these arguments.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.21 19:52:00 -
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Taedrin, Thank you for your great responce.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:18:00 -
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Well, I just woke up about a half hour ago and came into work again. Today is normally a very boring day at work for me so I started off looking at the forums and what do I find? My post is still alive... and after reading it, there are still people making very good posts on the subject. I know 'realism' isn't really something that can be defined in either game, but there are plenty out there that have atleast made the attempt.
Tons of new points of discussion where, some in WoW's favor and many in EVEs. Now, I tried to bring these points up to the few that were arguing the WoW side yesterday, but I happen to find them already left work, so today I'm going to see if I can get some responces from them and add them to this post if everyone would like that. Enjoy everyone and thanks for giving me some entertainment while at work... hope this thread has been enjoyed by others.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akkarin Pagan
I got bored at the end of page 1, so I didn't bother with page 2. I have read 3 though, and I couldn't resist posting in a WOW v EVE thread dammit!
Mwahahahahaha, my tactics have been proven true again... wah, crap saying that outloud again. Anyhow, I can understand how you really can't describe differences in two games that are really of two different worlds, but isn't it fun just to think about it? I mean there are pleny of people now that have put their thoughts in and I have yet to see a flame war. So posts have been fully thought out and express very interesting points.
I will say now though that the battle has been won against my co-workers and the EVE players of my job can rejoice, but I know something else will come up and we will continue to try to recruit and also convert. We are currently working on pulling one of our female co-workers who played EQ2 and WoW into EVE, her first words out of her mouth before we started talking to her is that she LOVED PvP... killing was one of her primary goals in an MMO. We all just looked at each other and grinned... then we told her of EVE.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie
Edited by: Eilie on 22/10/2006 14:12:29
Dear OP,
If any of your WoW-playing co-workers try and use the "WoW is more popular so it must be better" card, this is what you tell them:
Smoking is popular too, but it gives you cancer.
McDonald's food is popular too, but it makes you fat.
Britney Spears was popular too, but she's just a dumb ****.
And than, to finish them off, just say: Bush was re-elected!
If they still like WoW after that, than they probably voted for Bush, in which case, there is no hope for them so it'll be best to just ignore them from now on. (Note: This only works if you and your co-workers are in the U.S.)
[This message is only for the OP. If anyone else replys to it, I'll ignore you as this is not the place for political discussions!]
LOL, thanks... I may just use this.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.22 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: MindBender on 22/10/2006 18:59:30
For those of you actually enjoying this thread and for those of you think it's stupid... I ask you to go read this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=414469 - Samirol has made a good point with it. I'm not one to get mad at something like this, but it's a damn good laugh.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2006.10.22 19:15:00 -
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What?!? I can't show love to something I also find funny??? 
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