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MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:14:00 - [1] Ok, I sit here at work and we have a fair share of WoW players here, well... I am apart of the small group of EVE Players and we butt heads quite often. Well one of the WoW players had the audacity of saying that WoW PvP was more Realistic than EVE PvP. Well, I personaly was about to go up a flight of stairs and just stab him in the head a then ransom his pod... I mean corpse, but anyhow... I wanted the opinion of the EVE players out there and lets not go into a flame war here about WoW, but some good honost discussions about how WoW PvP and EVE PvP is comparable and which would you say is more realistic. I will then bring this up to some of the WoW players we have upstairs and see if they can come up with some counter discussions. I have a feeling we may just have some fun with this one.
flummox	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:15:00 - [2] does a fireball have tracking?? i am not sure you can compare (makebelieve) ship battles with (makebelieve) hand-to-hand fantasy combat. ... bring me my cheese... i love cheese...
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:18:00 - [3] Edited by: MindBender on 21/10/2006 17:18:49 I can agree with you on that one, but Sci-Fi and Fantasy can be both just made up... Where as a WoW player could argue saying that does EVE have an attack rating?? And you may not be able to compare two makebelieve things, but I think there are plenty of players out there that would say otherwise, I personally will argue in EVE's favor when it comes to this.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:18:00 - [4] What I want to know is, who would win a fight between The Hulk and Superman?
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:22:00 - [5] Neither is all that realistic. Games aren't about realism unless they fall into the "simulator" category, and neither of the games you're comparing do. Eve isn't more "realistic" than WoW, it's more complex. I didn't have to go further than reading the blurb on the back of the WoW retail box to know the game wasn't geared towards me. I think that's the basic difference between those that prefer WoW and those that prefer Eve. From what I have gathered talking to people I know that play it, WoW is pretty easy to jump right into and gain a good grasp of the game, while Eve takes a little more work. The only determination of "better" is which gives you more satisfaction. Personally, I find games that challenge me mentally at least on some level, far more rewarding than those geared towards the mass market of "casual gamer". J.A.F.O.
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:23:00 - [6] You cant really compare them, they are just too different. Ship lovers click here
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:26:00 - [7] Alright, I can fully understand that... I know the 'realism' is debatable really when it comes to these games, but I can fully agree with you on the complexity would make the game... WoW being a more simple and easier to learn and EVE being a more complex and indepth game. But what if you did have to compare the two games on the lvl of PvP though??
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:29:00 - [8] Wow and PVP? Are your co-workers mentally disabled?
Mallick	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:30:00 - [9] Well, WoW PvP is more involving - you actully have to do 'something'..
Humpalot	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:31:00 - [10] Both are so far removed from the realm of reality as to make such a comparison near impossible. But that never stopped me. The one point in EVE's favor is that a newb CAN hurt an older player. Granted the older player may have to be in a coma (or just AFK in a bad spot) but in theory it can be done. If a group of newbs (or semi-newbs) gang up on an older player in a better ship they might even pose a legitimate threat. In WOW at level 60 I could sit down and go AFK for an hour with 30 Level-20 peeps bashing on me and I'd be fine when I got back. This ****ed me off to no end when we'd gather a low-level raid together and then one L-60 would show and stomp on everyone. Even when we had everyone target the L-60 it did next to nothing.
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Exiled One Wow and PVP? Are your co-workers mentally disabled? LOL, well.. most of them are tech support so that could be debatable.
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Hellspawn01 You cant really compare them, they are just too different. Personally I think anything can be compared.. where as WoW PvP has less of a risk and EVE PvP has more risk, when you lose your ship you actually have a loss that could take you up to a week or so just to get back.
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:32:00 - [13] Actually I have to agree with the WoW players on this one. WoW PvP is WAY more realistic. I mean just the other day me and me some buddies were playing capture the flag in the forest near my house, and my one buddy Andrew gets shanked right in the back by my other buddy Jason! Well I gotta say man Andrew was ****ED. Luckily he ressurected at the graveyard which was nearby, ran back and got Jason right back. I told Andrew to wait since im a Priest and I could have rezzed him. Funny thing is one of my buddies actually can shoot ice from his hands, well we froze all their asses and laughed and laughed... =============================================== We are Watching You.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:33:00 - [14] TBH there's not much difference on a small scale. The difference is that EVE PVP scales up to hundreds upon hundreds of players (well ok the servers tend to die, but the end game is designed around it) where-as WOW isn't. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:34:00 - [15] "Realistic" is a subjective term. In other words, it all depends on the viewpoint of each person. Eve's PvP is definitely far more complex, and has more risk. It also probably requires more skill to participate in successfully. However, just because it's more difficult, doesn't necessarily make it more realistic. WoW and Eve cater to player bases that are pretty much polar opposites of each other. Thus, the hardcore players on each side will believe that their version is better. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Gaunty Lunar Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:34:00 - [16] Well in my opinion Eve would be more realistic. Combat operations have to be planned, logistics have to be sorted and maintained or you run out of fuel and ammo. Commanders have to give orders on the battlefield and people try to outmaneuver and gain advantages. And perhaps the crucial thing is that in Eve if you lose a ship you feel like you have lost something and the adrenalin rush of some of Eve's combat is amazing. Compare that to WoW where you spam one button constantly to attack and if you die it means you have lost nothing, you still have your gear and can just run straight back out. I know you can't compare them as such but Eve is easily more realistic and demanding.
Aterna Minmatar M'8'S	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:39:00 - [17] Eve's physics engine is leaps and bounds more realistic then WoW's. Arrows go through landscapes, trees, around corners to hit enemies being just one example. At least in eve missiles go around friendly ships to hit enemy ships, go around stations. Even though projectile fire doesn't, it is still far and above more realistic. Eve's universe is far more believable as well. The Fictional reasoning for things like jump gates, warping, instant communication over light years of distance, it all is explained in such away that it could be possible. And in WoW people throw fireballs and jump 10 feet in the air, can be polymorphed or turn into a really ugly bear. You can lay traps that freeze people into a block of ice. realistic. right...and pigs fly. Really, aside from the fact that ships in eve handle more like submarines then space ships, it's vastly more realistic then WoW. - - -
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Coasterbrian "Realistic" is a subjective term. In other words, it all depends on the viewpoint of each person. Eve's PvP is definitely far more complex, and has more risk. It also probably requires more skill to participate in successfully. However, just because it's more difficult, doesn't necessarily make it more realistic. WoW and Eve cater to player bases that are pretty much polar opposites of each other. Thus, the hardcore players on each side will believe that their version is better. So very true... this is very true... but lets bring up some actually points... how can we as EVE Players make the WoW player shut up?
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MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Aterna Eve's physics engine is leaps and bounds more realistic then WoW's. Arrows go through landscapes, trees, around corners to hit enemies being just one example. At least in eve missiles go around friendly ships to hit enemy ships, go around stations. Even though projectile fire doesn't, it is still far and above more realistic. Eve's universe is far more believable as well. The Fictional reasoning for things like jump gates, warping, instant communication over light years of distance, it all is explained in such away that it could be possible. And in WoW people throw fireballs and jump 10 feet in the air, can be polymorphed or turn into a really ugly bear. You can lay traps that freeze people into a block of ice. realistic. right...and pigs fly. Really, aside from the fact that ships in eve handle more like submarines then space ships, it's vastly more realistic then WoW. This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear... thank you... EVE is a game of possible things that COULD happen, maybe not in near future... but a couple hundred years from now.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:51:00 - [21] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/10/2006 17:53:46 Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/10/2006 17:52:18 wow PVP is stupidly realistic! i mean cmon! you die and have to run back to your corpse! and the loot and armor isnt lootable just like when you kill them in real life! im forever chain casting fireballs at people in the street who annoy me, i think i may need to respec though as the ignite trait doesnt seem to happen to often ,a chav class thug owned me in the park and stole all my gold btw spaceships , railguns , lasers , artillery , auto cannons , missiles of all types will never exist in real life where as we have magic already ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:55:00 - [22] EVE pvp used to be special, but that was pre-Tuxford. -------------------- Tuxford you broke my beloved EVE
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.21 17:59:00 - [23] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/10/2006 17:53:46 Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/10/2006 17:52:18 wow PVP is stupidly realistic! i mean cmon! you die and have to run back to your corpse! and the loot and armor isnt lootable just like when you kill them in real life! im forever chain casting fireballs at people in the street who annoy me, i think i may need to respec though as the ignite trait doesnt seem to happen to often ,a chav class thug owned me in the park and stole all my gold btw spaceships , railguns , lasers , artillery , auto cannons , missiles of all types will never exist in real life where as we have magic already Do I feel alittle sarcasim? Naaaaaaaa
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:11:00 - [24] hhmm a game where Undead mages can fire magical fireballs at their enemies. And a game where massive space borne battleships can fire shells the size of cars... Well thats a no brainer.... -------------- Dang nabit
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:11:00 - [25] Let's examine things here. WoW's PvP is bashing at each others with clubs and swords. There are never any bleeds, and when an axe stabs a knee you aren't really affected cause your HP is still good. Realistic? Nah. HP systems never are. Not very realistic in the slightest. EVE's PvP is about shooting slugs of antimatter/whatever on each other. These slugs, assuming that one m¦ is actually a cubic meter, aren't anywhere near as large as they'd need to be in order to actually be usable. Also, their shape magically transform depending on if they are loaded in a dual 425mm AC or a 1400mm artillery. Also, it works on an HP system, so I can't destroy your engines. Not at all realistic, either. So, to put it simply, that's not how to look at it. At all. In WoW PvP, you generally play capture the flag. When you lose (die) you need to wait for a respawn. Prior to that, however, you need to wait for the game to set up a marginally fair game by slotting you in with players of similar levels and in similar numbers. Over all, PvP in WoW depends on that it's done by players with similar levels so that it'll be fair and challenging, otherwise there'll be no levels of excitement - killing a noob is fun only for about 5 seconds. In WoW they can't even whine since orchs don't understand humans. In EVE PvP is based on the concept that it's not fair. We play Capture the Outpost, which is similar to Capture the Flag but with the additional quirk that when you lose something you might need to spend time replacing it. Especially if you lose the flag... I mean outpost... you may be temporarily/permanently set back several hundred playing hours without really having your stuff destroyed, since it's inaccessible. EVE is about UNfair combat. It's about ganging up on an opponent. It's about revelling when he/she whine about it not being fair. It's about getting friends, keeping friends, and killing off enemies. Also, you get (some of) their stuff when you kill them. If you go to a moderately chaotic war zone in the real world you'll find that: a) Combat isn't fair at all b) One side is probably shooting at people with significantly worse equipment c) When people die, they tend to lose their stuff d) When someone dies, others get to take the dead guy's stuff e) There's a lot of degenerated basic human behaviour going on So, on points a through d, EVE qualifies more than WoW. Point e tend to get games banned, though, so bestialities are seldom implemented in games. EVE is more like real PvP since it doesn't require combat to be fair As long as WoW is like that, it'll never be anywhere near realistic. Problem is, WoW is ALWAYS going to be like that since the sense of "fairness" is deeply rooted and hard-coded into the game (honour systems, and whatnots). - What am I listening to?
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Montague Zooma What I want to know is, who would win a fight between The Hulk and Superman? BATMAN!
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:15:00 - [27] Let's see. WoW = boring after 10 mins EVE = I've been playing for 2 years. Hmmmmmm...
Illuminaty ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:21:00 - [28] The point of fighting is to destroy the other sides ability to resist and take control of their stuff. Making someone run back from the spawn point while your score counter goes up, does not count as destroying their combat power and seizing their resources.
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:23:00 - [29] I play wow and I play EVE. WoW pvp is simple, everyone is playing their class and their class has a role. If your a healer you heal, if your a damage dealer you deal damage etc. There are few mixed classes and the once that have mixed roles only have two roles. This means that each player only needs to read about 2 pages worth of stuff in order to learn how to play his class in pvp, the rest is just practice. This gives people the chance to get an overview that a few players get in EVE simply because EvE pvp is so darned complex an wonderful that it's hard to get an overview, this means in my mind that pvp in eve is more realistic because it's also hard to get an overview in real engagements. In EvE death matters. This means that when you loose a ship it has an impact, when you loose your pod it matters. In wow you can die 400 times one day and suffer no ill effects in the long term. wich is more realistic? Logistics. In eve you have to think about logistics, because stuff gets blown up all the time and it needs to be replaced, on top of that people need ammo and stuff. In wow there is a vendor on every corner ready to sell you all the stuff you need for you next pvp experience. The WHY. In EVE the players decided why to fight and it matters, in WOW 6 million people have been pvp'ing for almost 2 years and there has nothing changed, the alliance and the horde are still at war and the political landscape is still the same. I guess I'll not even go into the fighting it self, anyone who has pvp'ed in eve and wow knows that pvp in eve is the clear winner. I think thats it, your co-worker hasnt seen any real pvp in EVE.
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.10.21 18:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Montague Zooma What I want to know is, who would win a fight between The Hulk and Superman? BATMAN! Nananananana BATMAN! Originally by: Tuxford Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums. PROFFESSIONAL Game Balancing.

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