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Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:15:00 - [61] Neither are realistic. And you're not looking for an actual debate, you're looking for ammo with which to trump your friends. With that in mind, ask them how it's realistic to kill your enemy and not be able to loot his/her corpse, take his armor and items. In EVE, you kill a ship, you can loot at least some of the components of it.
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.22 01:14:00 - [62] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 22/10/2006 01:15:09 Originally by: flummox does a fireball have tracking?? i am not sure you can compare (makebelieve) ship battles with (makebelieve) hand-to-hand fantasy combat. Does EvE? Try orbiting a stationary object really fast and see if your guns can hit it. Better yet, go to 0 metres of a stationary object and try to hit it at point blank range. EvE is about as realistic as WoW which is as realistic as expecting a serious discussion in this thread on WoW vs EvE The Privateering Life
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.22 01:50:00 - [63] IMO what really makes the difference between the two games is that, in eve, you can interact with the world. You can change the map and you can destroy alliances and corps. But in WoW everything is non-interactive. Even if you create a corp with 5000 members you still wont be able to do **** about the world. The only thing you can do is to do raids in instances. :/ Atleast thats my oppinion
Futuri Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.22 04:49:00 - [64] If you want realistic PVP go outside and hit someone :P
Khetchi	Posted - 2006.10.22 06:41:00 - [65] Seriously, WoW is much more realistic that Eve. I mean I see undead people casting spells all the time, but to this day have never seen anything that could remotely be considered a "gun" in real life. Seriously, folks... Do you really want realism in a game? If SimAccountant was released would you buy it?
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.22 07:42:00 - [66] In EVE i think that 'most' of the ships, weapons, modules, etc - are based either on things we allready know work (projectiles, Missles, plate armor, After burners, etc), things that have been toyed with to some extent (Lasers, railguns, etc), or things that will propably be toyed with (cloaking, High speed travel, etc) WoW is just plain silly in comparison. Ogres, and Mages, and Trolls, Oh my!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.10.22 07:43:00 - [67] In my opinion, you can make the game as "realistic" as you want. It really depends on how much you 'role-play'. For Example: * Fleet battle, 25 ships one of wich is a frigate fitted for corpse recovery of your fallen comrades. Not a tactical issue, not an isk related issue, you just "leave no one behind"... pure role-play, injecting realism.
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.22 09:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Shameless Avenger * Fleet battle, 25 ships one of wich is a frigate fitted for corpse recovery of your fallen comrades. Not a tactical issue, not an isk related issue, you just "leave no one behind"... pure role-play, injecting realism. Thats awesome. Should have a Specialized frig for this (-99% fitting requirements for all Tractor Beams) 5 His: 0 turret or Missled hardpoints. And it has to look cool. Really the Occator is allready the most 'meat wagon' looking ship out there though. :)
Mikal Drey Angels and Demons	Posted - 2006.10.22 09:58:00 - [69] Originally by: Ghoest Is Superman faster than The Flash? In the current series of "superman" Clark gets out run by a litle kid who is obviously gonna be the flash when he grows up. however in the films superman flies around the world pretty damn fast. your trying to compare Flying with Walking; which doesnt really work. my mate plays WoW and i watched him play once . . . I told him to delete it and reinstall Baldurs Gate instead.
Demora Anglis	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:01:00 - [70] I love these kind of arguments because I see the EXACT same points made by both sides at every aspect of each game. No thanks, I'll sit on the sidelines and enjoy my dual infinite subscriptions to both WoW and EVE Online, enjoying both of them while I eat my popcorn watching swords being sharpened and guns loaded with more ammo getting ready for the next bout of arguments.
pigofparadise Minmatar Reavers Hand	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:30:00 - [71] Edited by: pigofparadise on 22/10/2006 10:30:52 Lets see how loud Ragnaros, onyxia, kelthusad or any of the 'bosses' in wow are when they get a barrage of t2 1600 mm fed down their throat by an artypest. Six projectiles the size of small vans come crashing down through th atmosphere..
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:34:00 - [72] I still think the pve content in wow is more challanging than eve¦s. Also both games have their hopes on the coming expensions. Ship lovers click here
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:42:00 - [73] Originally by: Xs 142 Originally by: Ikvar Yeah because, a fantasy roleplaying game and a Sci-Fi spaceship game are really realistic and have really realistic PVP which is just like real life PVP. Oh wait, I just realised, this question is dumb. Dude, your taking it a liiiiiittle bit far when you're caloing it "real life PVP" 'Real life PVP' was a joke, captain comprehension.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:02:00 - [74] Wow is a static environment with no risk. That's realistic? So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
banannagirl Minmatar The U-B-H-C	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:17:00 - [75] sound effects and graphics ... is priolly what he is talking about.. who wouldnt like to see more bits flying off the ships - the scream of the p[irate if you listen very carefully is good in eve ...! Every pilot screams as their ship goes up .. the rats do anyway ..! So we can hear you scream in space ..! aint there a track about that ...? regards BG Link removed, advertising services for real world money is not allowed on the forums - Wrangler
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:18:00 - [76] Well, I just woke up about a half hour ago and came into work again. Today is normally a very boring day at work for me so I started off looking at the forums and what do I find? My post is still alive... and after reading it, there are still people making very good posts on the subject. I know 'realism' isn't really something that can be defined in either game, but there are plenty out there that have atleast made the attempt. Tons of new points of discussion where, some in WoW's favor and many in EVEs. Now, I tried to bring these points up to the few that were arguing the WoW side yesterday, but I happen to find them already left work, so today I'm going to see if I can get some responces from them and add them to this post if everyone would like that. Enjoy everyone and thanks for giving me some entertainment while at work... hope this thread has been enjoyed by others.
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:24:00 - [77] its time to get worried when your arguing about which fantasy game is more realistic.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:28:00 - [78] I got bored at the end of page 1, so I didn't bother with page 2. I have read 3 though, and I couldn't resist posting in a WOW v EVE thread dammit! I will admit to never playing WOW (although it looks like I would enjoy it, I just refuse to pay for it), but in my experience of that type of game, when you physically attack someone (with a melee weapon) your target waits for you to smash him in the face with your axe (or whatever your using), while making absoluteley no attempt to avoid, deflect or catch the blow on his shield (if he has one). Then he does the same to you. Have your WOW buddies ever tried to hit someone (even with fists / feet) who doesn't want to be hit? I've met very few people who just stand there and wait for you to hit them and then take turns on smacking each other. On the other hand, EVE uses a fluid dynamics model for space which is in RL an almost frictionless environment. And the fact that it is set in space, while human kind has difficulties getting to the nearest celestial body (i.e. The Moon) without getting killed in the process, or years of planning. Aren't the servers back up yet, I need to go make things go bang so I stop posting my ramble on the general eve community, and inflict it on my corp mates Akkarin Linkage <3 - Immy
Nev Clavain Wise Guys	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:36:00 - [79] Originally by: MindBender Originally by: Aterna Eve's physics engine is leaps and bounds more realistic then WoW's. Arrows go through landscapes, trees, around corners to hit enemies being just one example. At least in eve missiles go around friendly ships to hit enemy ships, go around stations. Even though projectile fire doesn't, it is still far and above more realistic. Eve's universe is far more believable as well. The Fictional reasoning for things like jump gates, warping, instant communication over light years of distance, it all is explained in such away that it could be possible. And in WoW people throw fireballs and jump 10 feet in the air, can be polymorphed or turn into a really ugly bear. You can lay traps that freeze people into a block of ice. realistic. right...and pigs fly. Really, aside from the fact that ships in eve handle more like submarines then space ships, it's vastly more realistic then WoW. This is EXACTLY what I wanted to hear... thank you... EVE is a game of possible things that COULD happen, maybe not in near future... but a couple hundred years from now. OK a few issues with that. Anything could happen in the future. Maybe people will be flying spaceships, or maybe people will be shooting balls of fire from their hands. One may seem more credible to you than the other, but in reality there is no great logical reason to prefer one alternative over the other. Firthermore, EVE's physics engine is far from being realistic. You can fly through planets. You can crash into an enormous space station at 6000m/s and simply be bumped off without any damage. Spaceships lose their velocity as if travelling through a medium as opposed to the vacuum of space. Faster than light travel is permitted in three different ways (Gates, Warp drives, and Capital Jump Drives). Missiles travel slower than missiles that exist today. Starsystems in EVE do not orbit their sun, or orbit anything at all for that matter. There is no gravity. Projectile and Hybrid weapons have a maximum range!?! Battleships can't fit the same advanced sensor eqipment on them that ships 100 times smaller can!?! Battleships can only fit 8 guns whether small medium or large!?! And the list goes on almost forever. My answer is that neither game is realistic. The original question has no correct answer and without degenerating into mindless semantics, its very much akin to asking a question like this: "What is more of a fruit? An Apple or an Orange?" Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn
GBoS Gallente Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:45:00 - [80] hi wow is fantasy.
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.22 13:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Akkarin Pagan I got bored at the end of page 1, so I didn't bother with page 2. I have read 3 though, and I couldn't resist posting in a WOW v EVE thread dammit! Mwahahahahaha, my tactics have been proven true again... wah, crap saying that outloud again. Anyhow, I can understand how you really can't describe differences in two games that are really of two different worlds, but isn't it fun just to think about it? I mean there are pleny of people now that have put their thoughts in and I have yet to see a flame war. So posts have been fully thought out and express very interesting points. I will say now though that the battle has been won against my co-workers and the EVE players of my job can rejoice, but I know something else will come up and we will continue to try to recruit and also convert. We are currently working on pulling one of our female co-workers who played EQ2 and WoW into EVE, her first words out of her mouth before we started talking to her is that she LOVED PvP... killing was one of her primary goals in an MMO. We all just looked at each other and grinned... then we told her of EVE.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.22 14:08:00 - [82] Edited by: Eilie on 22/10/2006 14:12:29 Dear OP, If any of your WoW-playing co-workers try and use the "WoW is more popular so it must be better" card, this is what you tell them: Smoking is popular too, but it gives you cancer. McDonald's food is popular too, but it makes you fat. Britney Spears was popular too, but she's just a dumb ****. And than, to finish them off, just say: Bush was re-elected! If they still like WoW after that, than they probably voted for Bush, in which case, there is no hope for them so it'll be best to just ignore them from now on. (Note: This only works if you and your co-workers are in the U.S.) [This message is only for the OP. If anyone else replys to it, I'll ignore you as this is not the place for political discussions!]
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2006.10.22 14:28:00 - [83] well, I managed to last about 3 hours in wow before deleting it in disgust, so I have to base my observations on the other half playing wow. (shame on her...she even admits she prefers eve.) neither is "realistic". space that's viscous like treacle, ballistics in zero gravity, lasers that break the inverse sqare in terms of output... fireballs that go through walls, chainmail bikinis that give equal protection as plate armour, glowy magical patterns in the air, the list goes on... Personally, eve's combat is more realistic for me becasue I'm very familliar with sword fighting, and, to a lesser extent, axes, sheild and heavier armour use. WoW, like almost every fantasy rpg game I know has absolutely no reference to realistic duelling techniques. anyone who tried to use the movements depicted in fantasy would likely end up dead in a few seconds. I have, however, no experience of ballistics or flying mile-long spaceships. (really? who'd have thought so ), and therefore, it seems a little more plausible to me. If I did have such experience I'd (a) wonder what I was doing playing a computergame back in the early 21st century, and (b) probably consider it just as rediculous as the duelling depicted in wow. I can imagine futuristic battles being played out over massive ranges by relatively static weapons platforms as being mildly plausible, however. That, therefore, puts eve into the realm of science fiction, rather than science fantasy. but that, is just opinion, and counts for nothing. In Eve, you lose a fight, you lose your equipment, there's a genuine risk in any encounter, whereas death is no loss in wow, in pve or pvp. you can be beaten completely by a 6month old player, when you're 2 years old simply through better setup, a weaker hull, or a hundred other perameters, whereas the lvl60 vs a lvl30 seems to be inherently imbalanced in the lvl60's favour. I personally feel that this is more realistic - the martial arts master who spends a lifetime in training may well be killed by the indiscriminate bullet from an untrained recruit, after all, and so the elite pilot in eve can be ganked by someone out of sheer bad luck or them having the "killer setup" to counter the elite pilot's fitting. WoW does what it can to balance out players and make it fair, whilst eve, like real war, is unherently unfair. Death in eve means a significant loss, a setback, while death in wow is being beaten, but no longterm loss. It's why I love eve, and hated wow. Eve's the only computergame I've ever played where going into a battle has given me a shiver of fear and the shakes as I'm aware I'm putting god knows how many hours of effort on the line, and it could all be wiped out in one swoop. it's the same adrenaline buzz as going into a sword duel knowing that if the other person is'nt careful, you could take off a hand or break a skull, even if the blades are'nt sharpened...
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.22 14:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Eilie Edited by: Eilie on 22/10/2006 14:12:29 Dear OP, If any of your WoW-playing co-workers try and use the "WoW is more popular so it must be better" card, this is what you tell them: Smoking is popular too, but it gives you cancer. McDonald's food is popular too, but it makes you fat. Britney Spears was popular too, but she's just a dumb ****. And than, to finish them off, just say: Bush was re-elected! If they still like WoW after that, than they probably voted for Bush, in which case, there is no hope for them so it'll be best to just ignore them from now on. (Note: This only works if you and your co-workers are in the U.S.) [This message is only for the OP. If anyone else replys to it, I'll ignore you as this is not the place for political discussions!] LOL, thanks... I may just use this.
Angxia Gallente Serenity Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.22 15:39:00 - [85] If when you podded someone the english voice chick that says 'warp drive active' said 'BOOM HEADSHOT' there would be no more questions on this silly matter.
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.22 17:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Montague Zooma What I want to know is, who would win a fight between The Hulk and Superman? BATMAN! Negative. The correct answer was Hong Kong Phooey! ------------------------------------------------ This sig is mine. There are others like it, but this one is mine alone. Mods keep out, or I will drop trou and sprinkle some tinkle in your Cheerios! -I don't eat Cheerios. -ReverendM
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.10.22 18:38:00 - [87] Edited by: coldplasma on 22/10/2006 18:43:16 Most of the stuff you see in EVE is theoretically possible. Railguns for instance are already in existence, they are just not very efficient seeing as you have to change the rails after every few shots and take a HUGE current. A 'cloaking' device has also been developed recently made out of a material which has a negative refractive index allowing microwaves to curve around the material and re-emerge at the other side. It's also a lot more realistic in the sense that things like velocity, explosion velocity, tracking speed, signature radius, etc, are all taken into consideration. You let me know when someone develops a magic wand and I'll let you know how realistic WoW is. ____________________________ See you in 0.0 kids...
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.22 18:59:00 - [88] Edited by: MindBender on 22/10/2006 18:59:30 For those of you actually enjoying this thread and for those of you think it's stupid... I ask you to go read this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=414469 - Samirol has made a good point with it. I'm not one to get mad at something like this, but it's a damn good laugh.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.10.22 19:12:00 - [89] hey! no linking to a mock thread when your thread is the one being mocked!
MindBender Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.22 19:15:00 - [90] What?!? I can't show love to something I also find funny???

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