Kind of missing a "Why" portion.

Golem already has amazing tank, amazing range, and amazing damage. It does more DPS with 200KM cruise missiles than any other marauder can unless they are using close range weapons and t2 close range ammo at stupid close ranges, where they rapidly run into tracking problems.

It has some slight damage application problems against smaller targets, which can be mostly solved by using the TP.

Do I see a compelling reason to allow you to go even further into easy mode by removing the small need to actually use your TP on the primary target and allowing you to roll the slot previously used by now baked in TP into adding even more tank to an already incredibly tanky ship?

Ehhh....no.

By comparison, with the Golem you need to run rigors and a minimum of 2 target painters just to get decent damage application against cruisers.

Paladin is very good tbh. Bit less tank than the Golem, with scorch DPS about halfway between t1 missile and Fury missile DPS. Course it also has to deal with finicky cap issues, tracking, tracking disruption rendering it useless, and weakness to neuts. And limited damage types.

Kronos is ****, outside of situations where you know your targets won't be leaving null range (if blasters), or that they will traveling directly at you (if rails). Mediocre DPS, mediocre tank, mediocre projection, limited damage types, similar weakness to everything as the paladin without the great tank, DPS, or projection.

Golem is ok. Yes it has application issues. Yes it typically uses at least one, typically two of it's mid/tank slots for damage application. I'm sure none of the other ones need to use slots to effectively project damage though. [/i]Something the Golem doesn't have to worry about, since even the closest range ammo on a Golem goes over 200KM.

72km torpedo golems are flipping sweet...

Now i've never really looked into them but you can tank a vargur startelingly effectively with a pith xl booster, a SBA and a dc and fitting no tank and massive gank... I dont see a reason you couldnt do the same with a golem... But then i really do not speak missles...

In your whole wall of text you're completely missing out that the Golem is absolutely amazing at hitting targets it actually shouldn't, to a large part thanks to it's TP bonus and 7 mids. Your proposal would do little than hurt that vessel tremendously. Else, name another marauder that near instablaps a cruiser orbiting it at <500m.

Although I usually see some merits in our posts Arthus, I don't understand this one, there is nothing wrong with the Golem. TP's are great, not to mention a treat for your entire fleet.

All the other Marauder bonuses are passive, and don't require the same degree of micromanagement. You also don't have to train up an entirely separate set of skills to fully utilize the other Marauders, ie: Electronic Warfare, Target Painting, Frequency Modulation, Long Distance Jamming and Signature Focusing. I'll take a passive -25% reduction in signature radius over an active 56.3-60% signature bloom.

And are Golem's really used that frequently in fleet actions for their target painter bonus?

In high class wormholes - yes, pretty much every damn time. Sometimes in null fleets as well, in a BS doctrine (rare, but still).

So the objection is basically because it's a "wormhole thing"?

This is a request to have the Marauder bonus for target painter effectiveness changed to missile explosion radius, along with a slight slot adjustment. The Golem is the only T2 Marauder that doesn't receive either a rate of fire or damage bonus, so it basically requires all 4 low slots for ballistic control system modules to maximize damage.

With the removal of the target painter bonus, one mid slot can be transferred to a low to allow the fit of a damage control. Unlike tracking computers or tracking enhancers, target painters require constant micromanagement - not too mention that you need 2 painters minimum for an optimal setup. In addition, even with target painters you often need to run a pair of large warhead rigour catalysts in the rigs - which then precludes the use of large core defines field extenders for rigs instead.

Golem Marauder
50% cruise missile and torpedo max velocity
25% cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity
25% cruise missile and torpedo explosion radius(replaces 50% target painter effectiveness)
37.5% shield booster amount
25mbit drone bandwidth; 50m3 drone bay
8H, 6M(-1), 5L(+1)

You list the bonus as 25% for explosion radius and that would be horrible, smaller is always better so if you want to push your idea better change that to a -25% bonus.

I thought it was a given that the 25% explosion radius bonus was a negative value...

This is a request to have the Marauder bonus for target painter effectiveness changed to missile explosion radius, along with a slight slot adjustment. The Golem is the only T2 Marauder that doesn't receive either a rate of fire or damage bonus, so it basically requires all 4 low slots for ballistic control system modules to maximize damage.

personal preference here as always but 4 bcu's stacked is not really maximizing. This for any damage mod imo...I don't run more than 3 gyro, mag stab, etc either. Factor in stacking penalty....I generally find a more support-ish mod a better drop in overall.

Why not digging the 1 mid slot for the low. Being nice and tp is removed for your bonus there'd be quite a few mods that would be better off long run if mids stayed the same. Sebo res scripted comes to mind. Faster locks, faster to get targets to fire. Hell...tp. With the boost to missile TP unbonused even after the change would be of more help. Hopes your drones kill frig rats faster at any rate.

With an extra low you could run a signal amplifier, nanofiber, power diagnostic or even an armor tank.

As a golem pilot I find this post offensive as it has hurt Twilight's feelings

Yes, apparently I touched a nerve... I give up. I didn't realize it was heresy to suggest changes to the Golem.