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ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:29:00 - [1] Ok privateers have come at us again twice in the space of 2 weeks - i will post random thoughts and offical annoucements on this thread only. To New members plz keep it clean and any posts not made by myself do not reflect allaince offical policy or views but those of individual members OUr killboard stats will be posted on battleclinic.com (members are being encouraged to post all kills and losses) We are looking forward to this - well most are but hey u always get unhappy peeps on both sides during wars I also note u guys are doing ASCN and RISE again - i make no comment on that but good luck to ASCN and RISE now let the games begin
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:59:00 - [2] When they fought ISS, ISS somewhat owned them, which is kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents. I have some kill stats here; kills/losses Battleship: 10 / 16 HAC: 1 / 3 Command Ship: 0 / 1 Assault Ship: 6 / 13 Cruiser: 33 / 83 They ended the war -840m ISK down. So I wouldnt worry about them too much
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:14:00 - [3] on a per member basis from what we found kills and losses comparing BC and privateers own killmails it was a draw overall on a per member basis 2.4m per member for us and 9-10m per member of privateers in terms of losses We lost about 8% of our members - numbers have since recovered and there were other issues involved. Still for 80-90% of the alliance much fun to be had would have had more kills but logski and warp stab itis were common illnesses we encountered on the privateers side , its mildly disruptive these pesky empire decs but hey keeps our PVPers sharpened and battle ready so no real complaints Its a game and is played as such
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:17:00 - [4] For NEO, I guess this will redice your playerbase somewhat, as you've seen. But then again, for the pilots that to stay and fight, it will steel them against future threats. After all even getting podded is combat experience. As butter dog says, it doesn't look like your opponents are uber-PVPers. Good luck What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 22/10/2006 11:21:49 Originally by: Butter Dog When they fought ISS, ISS somewhat owned them, which is kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents. I have some kill stats here; kills/losses Battleship: 10 / 16 HAC: 1 / 3 Command Ship: 0 / 1 Assault Ship: 6 / 13 Cruiser: 33 / 83 They ended the war -840m ISK down. So I wouldnt worry about them too much No offensive to ISS you're great guys but to have -isk figures against them is quite worring when you're meant to be a primary PVP based corp lol. To OP just tell your guys to keep out of Jita/Rens etc and you will be pretty safe
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:24:00 - [6] Edited by: ollobrains on 22/10/2006 11:25:15 Edited by: ollobrains on 22/10/2006 11:24:37 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Butter Dog When they fought ISS, ISS somewhat owned them, which is kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents. I have some kill stats here; kills/losses Battleship: 10 / 16 HAC: 1 / 3 Command Ship: 0 / 1 Assault Ship: 6 / 13 Cruiser: 33 / 83 They ended the war -840m ISK down. So I wouldnt worry about them too much No offensive to ISS you're great guys but to have -isk figures against them is quite worring lol. To OP just tell your guys to keep out of Jita/Rens etc and you will be pretty safe actually this is round 2 first war only ended 4 days ago and as far as rens and jita thats where we get our BS killmails from - why would we avoid those systems actually oursaleurt (ourslag) and badiefi-agil are also seen as hotspots We are keeping ISK and general ship class details for internal strategy and tactics - its good in a way to have privateers at us presents a channel as opposed to the usual anti pirate stuff we do. And a reminder to our remaining industrial members avoid jita and rens if u must sell i hear some of the dead end low sec systems are quite safe in terms of market selling omg im turning into a publicity PR machine at the moment must stop 1 thread is enough lol (back to being an invisible aspect of eve) omg this isnt a BOB v ASCN or a LV v RA thread either omg just omg
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Butter Dog When they fought ISS, ISS somewhat owned them, which is kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents. I have some kill stats here; kills/losses Battleship: 10 / 16 HAC: 1 / 3 Command Ship: 0 / 1 Assault Ship: 6 / 13 Cruiser: 33 / 83 They ended the war -840m ISK down. So I wouldnt worry about them too much The kils where THERE kils on us, the Losses WHERE our kils on them waves to black napalm who lost deimos and astarte in 5 mins with 2acounts trying to kil a nos a domi Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Aesic 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:28:00 - [8] Bring on the pod goo!
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.23 21:37:00 - [9] what is this pod goo u speak of ? anyway privateers we will be using 20 points of warp jammers so u cant warp off. should be enough to tackle the 15 points of warp stabilisers u guys use
Surreptitious Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:09:00 - [10] No need for a thread about it. Lets just shoot each other and have fun. Im gonna pod u again Ollo. Syrup

Kindro DeCapo SkottE Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:46:00 - [11] so anyway this duck comes to me and dances in circles then BAM!! nodecrash ----------------------------------------------- The above poster is a slag I love markup
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:00:00 - [12] Hi Ollo. Yes we decided that we liked New EvE Order since you guys were so prevalent in empire and were pretty good sports. Kill Losses - Not interested. Smack - Not interested. Your ship / Cargo / Pods - Interested. Something for you all to think about. I had 15 people camp me for 2 hours the other day. They wasted 2 of my hours, I wasted 15 x 2 of theirs. I win. I have approx 8 thousand people who cant afk / safely travel in empire anymore vs 100 privateers who cant. We win. I spend 1 billion a month on wars, you blow up my megathron once per month and cost me 30 million, do I care when I spend 1 billion in that month for the wars? No. Basically you cant beat us even when you beat us and judging by our kilboards, we are killing significantly more ships. However I have never put much trust in anyones killboards and basically think they're horse***. So save the aggression for in game and we'll see how things pan out. Infinity Ziona The Privateering Life*
Bombaman VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Hi Ollo. Yes we decided that we liked New EvE Order since you guys were so prevalent in empire and were pretty good sports. Kill Losses - Not interested. Smack - Not interested. Your ship / Cargo / Pods - Interested. Something for you all to think about. I had 15 people camp me for 2 hours the other day. They wasted 2 of my hours, I wasted 15 x 2 of theirs. I win. I have approx 8 thousand people who cant afk / safely travel in empire anymore vs 100 privateers who cant. We win. I spend 1 billion a month on wars, you blow up my megathron once per month and cost me 30 million, do I care when I spend 1 billion in that month for the wars? No. Basically you cant beat us even when you beat us and judging by our kilboards, we are killing significantly more ships. However I have never put much trust in anyones killboards and basically think they're horse****. So save the aggression for in game and we'll see how things pan out. Infinity Ziona Seeming most of the alliances you war are in/planning to move to 0.0, i dont really think they care about your meaninless war anyway besides, during the time i was in ASCN (From Day 1) we were pretty much in a empire war 24/7 and we had certainly been hit alot harder, and we still did AFK Fly though empire, wow you killed a crusier, but we were mining 50m p/h with out other accounts before CYVOK kicked out VTIL for childish reasons only his mind could resort to
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Bombaman Originally by: Infinity Ziona Hi Ollo. Yes we decided that we liked New EvE Order since you guys were so prevalent in empire and were pretty good sports. Kill Losses - Not interested. Smack - Not interested. Your ship / Cargo / Pods - Interested. Something for you all to think about. I had 15 people camp me for 2 hours the other day. They wasted 2 of my hours, I wasted 15 x 2 of theirs. I win. I have approx 8 thousand people who cant afk / safely travel in empire anymore vs 100 privateers who cant. We win. I spend 1 billion a month on wars, you blow up my megathron once per month and cost me 30 million, do I care when I spend 1 billion in that month for the wars? No. Basically you cant beat us even when you beat us and judging by our kilboards, we are killing significantly more ships. However I have never put much trust in anyones killboards and basically think they're horse***. So save the aggression for in game and we'll see how things pan out. Infinity Ziona Seeming most of the alliances you war are in/planning to move to 0.0, i dont really think they care about your meaninless war anyway besides, during the time i was in ASCN (From Day 1) we were pretty much in a empire war 24/7 and we had certainly been hit alot harder, and we still did AFK Fly though empire, wow you killed a crusier, but we were mining 50m p/h with out other accounts before CYVOK kicked out VTIL for childish reasons only his mind could resort to I agree. The Privateering Life*
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:05:00 - [15] ill agree with u infinity our guys are requested to keep any smack to a minimum it is good fun. Most of youre losses arent posted but its not all about the killmails (our losses and kills are more balanced on battleclinic.com) it assists us basically with strategy reviews, tactic planning to spot where most of the action is (essentially stats are most useful for planning rather than declaring a winner) our first week of war was from what i could see a small loss for us but sitll a lot better than what we expected. We got some good kills took some good losses and had fun. Thou even if u do keep going against us you are missing so many other good targets that live in empire and are more care bearish than NEO is we generally have a reasonable PVP interest. Then i guess youre up for the challange rather than the random destruction that say u might find against some of the other mid tier alliances that have a greater industrial element. So i guess the re'dec against us is a sign of respect and good on ya
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.24 07:19:00 - [16] Have to say while the ISS pvp stuff looks pretty one sided, have to remember that many of the mission runners/carebears arent going to be posting their losses as they were just ganked and dont care about pvp stats. Also from reading this thread i would like to shoot both sides --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Mayalla Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.24 08:55:00 - [17] Honestlly, in this whole war (part 1 and 2) i haven't seen any Privateer around. Oh, except the one i poped in Mai three weeks ago, before the war. So i guess, life goes on, with or without Privateers declaring some kind of "war"...
Syrin SouthStar Business Solutions Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 09:09:00 - [18] Edited by: Syrin on 24/10/2006 09:09:28 Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Butter Dog When they fought ISS, ISS somewhat owned them, which is kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents. I have some kill stats here; kills/losses Battleship: 10 / 16 HAC: 1 / 3 Command Ship: 0 / 1 Assault Ship: 6 / 13 Cruiser: 33 / 83 They ended the war -840m ISK down. So I wouldnt worry about them too much The kils where THERE kils on us, the Losses WHERE our kils on them waves to black napalm who lost deimos and astarte in 5 mins with 2acounts trying to kil a nos a domi Hey, I did the leg work on that astarte, clint just got the final
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Leno Have to say while the ISS pvp stuff looks pretty one sided, have to remember that many of the mission runners/carebears arent going to be posting their losses as they were just ganked and dont care about pvp stats. Also from reading this thread i would like to shoot both sides Put your money where your mouth is and declare against us then. The Privateering Life
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:12:00 - [20] /emote wonders what you guys was doing with a fleet in fountian -------------------------- Join Demon Womb! PVP, Rats, Industry, join the fun!

ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:21:00 - [21] war update - much ado about nothing a few losses a few gains the fun goes on.
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:29:00 - [22] Apparently the Privateers has been taking a beating and decided to try their hand at an 'easy, soft' target. In their utter fearlessness, they have decided they will war dec the Ivy League, which is Eve University. So clearly there is no depth that they cannot slither their way down to. The Ivy League's Deathbears and Zergfleet will be waiting for them and they too will learn why deccing the Uni is a -bad- thing.
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Silentbrick Apparently the Privateers has been taking a beating and decided to try their hand at an 'easy, soft' target. In their utter fearlessness, they have decided they will war dec the Ivy League, which is Eve University. So clearly there is no depth that they cannot slither their way down to. The Ivy League's Deathbears and Zergfleet will be waiting for them and they too will learn why deccing the Uni is a -bad- thing. Your newbies have 24 hours to decide to accept the risk or not. If they choose to accept, we cannot be held responsible for that choice. Besides we have quite a lot of Privateers who would be a good match up for your students in both experience and skillpoints. The Privateering Life
Dhaeron Lhun	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Silentbrick Apparently the Privateers has been taking a beating and decided to try their hand at an 'easy, soft' target. In their utter fearlessness, they have decided they will war dec the Ivy League, which is Eve University. So clearly there is no depth that they cannot slither their way down to. Ya well, you know how it is. Everytime you think someone's hit rockbottom, they surprise you and bring out the pickaxes.
Dana Blue Caldari 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Silentbrick Apparently the Privateers has been taking a beating and decided to try their hand at an 'easy, soft' target. In their utter fearlessness, they have decided they will war dec the Ivy League, which is Eve University. So clearly there is no depth that they cannot slither their way down to. The Ivy League's Deathbears and Zergfleet will be waiting for them and they too will learn why deccing the Uni is a -bad- thing. Your newbies have 24 hours to decide to accept the risk or not. If they choose to accept, we cannot be held responsible for that choice. Besides we have quite a lot of Privateers who would be a good match up for your students in both experience and skillpoints. Haveing fough Privs last war i do agree with Infinity on this point they do have a fair number of new players in there ranks....
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:08:00 - [26] good luck to Ivy league as well - u will find privvies there in du annnes also try tash murkon prime and lagsurelert (oursalerat for everyone else) tho the lags almost as bad im in favour of renaming the system to lagsville A slightly offtopic question to privateers - how is the nerf stab in kali likley to affect youre style of warfare ie picking generally off easy lone targets at long range or warping off from small frig packs with 6 x wcs BS fitted. This can be answered in general by anyone is the WCS nerf going to really alter things to be more close range type combat.
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:45:00 - [27] Originally by: ollobrains good luck to Ivy league as well - u will find privvies there in du annnes also try tash murkon prime and lagsurelert (oursalerat for everyone else) tho the lags almost as bad im in favour of renaming the system to lagsville A slightly offtopic question to privateers - how is the nerf stab in kali likley to affect youre style of warfare ie picking generally off easy lone targets at long range or warping off from small frig packs with 6 x wcs BS fitted. This can be answered in general by anyone is the WCS nerf going to really alter things to be more close range type combat. There is no 'Privateer style of warfare' since there is no formal structure, heirachary or organized military in Privateers, we're all just soloers basically. Expecting that such a disparate group could answer that question is pretty silly imo. What I think is going to happen is you will see alliances blobbing even more then they already do because now they cant run as easily if things go south and you will see less small group PvP and less PvP'rs willing to fight full stop. Its still a good change in my opinion but other changes need to be made to compensate such as stacking locktime penalties based on enemy locks on a ship and slower warp outs the more ships in your vicinity. The HP increase is one thing that does counterbalance but more is needed. The Privateering Life
Aesic 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:00:00 - [28] Originally by: ollobrains A slightly offtopic question to privateers - how is the nerf stab in kali likley to affect youre style of warfare ie picking generally off easy lone targets at long range or warping off from small frig packs with 6 x wcs BS fitted. cough Danno... cough Still got ya though...thanks for the bounty
Le Skunk	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Butter Dog When they fought ISS, ISS somewhat owned them, which is kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents. I have some kill stats here; kills/losses Battleship: 10 / 16 HAC: 1 / 3 Command Ship: 0 / 1 Assault Ship: 6 / 13 Cruiser: 33 / 83 They ended the war -840m ISK down. So I wouldnt worry about them too much Like the guy says, quoting from killboards is pretty pointless as certain peeps dont post there losses. Our killboards tell a different story to the stuff the alliance peeps are coming up with. Who is right? Pffft However, I do like the way Butter Dog neglects to mention Industrials, Mining barges, Freighters, Exhumers, and Trasnport kills in his stats, not to mention poddings. Originally by: Butter Dog "kinda embaressing when you consider how many targets of opportunity a large industrial alliance presents" Yes there were indeed many industrial targets, so why didnt you post them stats eh? How many of our haulers have you got full of loot?. And theres no stats for all the lubberly lubberly loot that pours out of said industrial targets straight into our wallets. Alliance kills generally come from big blobs where 10 pilots have wasted 5 hours camping a jita gate then wet their pants with excitement when someone shows up. Big suprise, alliances blobbing :) Also not factored into your equasions, is the cost you are paying mercs to come dec us and sit in a big blob wasting there time. I joined to give the big bully boy alliances a kick in the shin. Im not kidding myself its anymore then that. ISS or ASCN wont crumble but losing the odd freighter might just annoy them a little. And they have been in general good sports and enjoyed the 'game' as much as us. Also the corp is good, no orders from twanger CEOS, no stupid order to "mine for some outpost or your out the alliance", do what ya want - shoot who ya want - dont take orders from nobody. Certainly our CEO dosent waste thousands of man hours of your minions time mining so you can build yourself a big paperweight titan. What a bunch of suckers those miners must feel. Come join us. Even the spies who join us have fun ganking the other alliances (tm)
Aceris The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Le Skunk Also not factored into your equasions, is the cost you are paying mercs to come dec us and sit in a big blob wasting there time. I joined to give the big bully boy alliances a kick in the shin. Im not kidding myself its anymore then that. ISS or ASCN wont crumble but losing the odd freighter might just annoy them a little. And they have been in general good sports and enjoyed the 'game' as much as us. I don't think anyone is likely to pay mercs to handle Privateers. ISS certainly didn't. Describing ISS as a "bully boy" alliance is a bit funny, tbh.



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