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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 08:30:36 -
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Now i know this can be done, multiple times i have seen people do it, they find a killmail and can link it in chat when the victim doesnt have api linked to killboard site and the attacker that got the final blow didnt either. They also do it in seconds after the kill or basically whenever you ask for it, 45secs later they are pasting it in chat...
How do they do that? I am looking for a certain km i didnt get fb on and victim and killing blow dude obviously dont have api linked. I KNOW its possible with searching the time/system the kill happened, but where do i put that info in? How is this done? I seriously zee a LOT of people that know how to do it so it aint THAT big of a secret, yet it kinda is. Omg please help. Thanks |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:05:13 -
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Find answer? I know it aint hard cuz how fast they do it. Just must be some secret site/app. I tried google, even asked jeeves... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:07:29 -
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As long as the final blow was someone in your Corp, in the Neocom go to:
Social > Corporation > Wars > Kill Reports
That will open all 'show kills' and 'show losses' for your Corp, not only those involving a war.
You can then filter by ship to find the relevant killmail.
For BNI, if it was recent you might not have to look at too many, but if it was a few days ago or more, good luck.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:18:26 -
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I bet the REAL Carrie-Anne Moss could find it.
You wouldn't be trying to impersonate a celebrity would you?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:20:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:As long as the final blow was someone in your Corp, in the Neocom go to:
Social > Corporation > Wars > Kill Reports
That will open all 'show kills' and 'show losses' for your Corp, not only those involving a war.
You can then filter by ship to find the relevant killmail.
For BNI, if it was recent you might not have to look at too many, but if it was a few days ago or more, good luck.
No just some random. I have seen it done a lot really. A random dude in npc corp without api linked gets killed by 2 players, the one with the final blow and gets the km is also in npc corp and no api linked yet some ninja search-fu by these dudes and 45secs later they link the game km in chat. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:21:29 -
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War Kitten wrote:I bet the REAL Carrie-Anne Moss could find it.
You wouldn't be trying to impersonate a celebrity would you?
She spells my name wrong and omg please help me. My missing km is somewhere lost in the Matrix |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:24:28 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:No just some random. I have seen it done a lot really. A random dude in npc corp without api linked gets killed by 2 players, the one with the final blow and gets the km is also in npc corp and no api linked yet some ninja search-fu by these dudes and 45secs later they link the game km in chat. If either one of them did it, then they did it either from:
1. notification (recent addtion) 2. their Combat Log
All kills and losses are recorded in your combat log (all your losses and all kills you had the final blow on)
The notification system provides a link direct to the killmail/lossmail
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:38:05 -
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Omg... dude say you are in Amarr or Rens, some random npc corp newb-non api linked to killboard dude goes yellow. Following? So then you and some other second random npc corp non api linked etc just random freaking guy kill the victim but the 2nd random gets the final blow. You then realise you will never ever see the killmail, so you ask in local, "Hey people i just helped kill this guy xxxx in xyz ship at 123 time right here, anyone have the km?" In under 1 min someone will link it, they do some crazy ninja-search-magic-fu or something (i dont know and tis what i am asking) And then they link the in game km report in chat.
Why dont u understand what in asking? Y is no1 helping? Please |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:40:27 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Omg... dude say you are in Amarr or Rens, some random npc corp newb-non api linked to killboard dude goes yellow. Following? So then you and some other second random npc corp non api linked etc just random freaking guy kill the victim but the 2nd random gets the final blow. You then realise you will never ever see the killmail, so you ask in local, "Hey people i just helped kill this guy xxxx in xyz ship at 123 time right here, anyone have the km?" In under 1 min someone will link it, they do some crazy ninja-search-magic-fu or something (i dont know and tis what i am asking) And then they link the in game km report in chat.
Why dont u understand what in asking? Y is no1 helping? Please If you don't know who either random is, then you are ******.
If they don't have their API linked, it won't appear on a killboard and the only way to get the killmail is from the person who died, or the person who had the final blow.
What you are saying about search foo by someone to find a random killmail is BS. Doesn't happen.
Unless you are in the same Corp as either the victim or final blow, are the guy who died or the guy with the final blow, you can't get the ingame killmail.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:40:57 -
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And no it aint the victim or the final blow random dude linking it. Its just some magical super searcher website goddess of knowledge that finds any km with the given ship, name and time. |
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:44:20 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Omg... dude say you are in Amarr or Rens, some random npc corp newb-non api linked to killboard dude goes yellow. Following? So then you and some other second random npc corp non api linked etc just random freaking guy kill the victim but the 2nd random gets the final blow. You then realise you will never ever see the killmail, so you ask in local, "Hey people i just helped kill this guy xxxx in xyz ship at 123 time right here, anyone have the km?" In under 1 min someone will link it, they do some crazy ninja-search-magic-fu or something (i dont know and tis what i am asking) And then they link the in game km report in chat.
Why dont u understand what in asking? Y is no1 helping? Please If you don't know who the random is, then you are ******. If they don't have their API linked, it won't appear on a killboard and the only way to get the killmail is from the person who died, or the person who had the final blow. Trying to help, but your ramblings are a bit inconsistent.
I know!! Thats why im askkng. I AM TELLING YOU THERE IS SKME MAGIC SECRET WAY TO DO UT. I SEE IT DONE. IT CAN BE DONE OTHER THAN WHAT U ARE SAYING THAT IS COMMON Knowledge.
Hense why i tried searching and couldnt find it sk figured id ask here. There is some secret way to find them man.
Ill just ask reddit, the REAL eve forums (hell even devs use /r/eve more than their own forums and actually hold convos with players there) somthing something mods maybe? Dont tske my word just see the devs choose reddit over ur forums bro |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:51:46 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:[I know!! Thats why im askkng. I AM TELLING YOU THERE IS SKME MAGIC SECRET WAY TO DO UT. I SEE IT DONE. IT CAN BE DONE OTHER THAN WHAT U ARE SAYING THAT IS COMMON Knowledge. Bullshit.
You can't search for the in game killmail unless you are the victim, final blow or in the Corp of either.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:55:53 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:[I know!! Thats why im askkng. I AM TELLING YOU THERE IS SKME MAGIC SECRET WAY TO DO UT. I SEE IT DONE. IT CAN BE DONE OTHER THAN WHAT U ARE SAYING THAT IS COMMON Knowledge. Bullshit. You can't search for the in game killmail unless you are the victim, final blow or in the Corp of either.
Im pretty sure there is some website to do it like an eveapraisal thingy or something like that. Theres all kinds or api scraping still legal things/sites/apps.
There is a way, i seen it. Go make a trial account, get him killed by someone with no api linked to killboard and cry in local for a few, i promise you someone will paste you that in game killmail link in local. They find it some how, some scrapy thing like how eve central gets all those buy orders etc etc etc. There is some secret way |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:03:38 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:There is a way, i seen it. Go make a trial account, get him killed by someone with no api linked to killboard and cry in local for a few, i promise you someone will paste you that in game killmail link in local. They find it some how, some scrapy thing like how eve central gets all those buy orders etc etc etc. There is some secret way If you think there is a secret way, then you've just answered for yourself how to find it.
Just go cry in local for a few. If there is a secret way, then it'll be linked for you.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:04:55 -
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Not possible via CREST either. You need a magic hash, without which the ingame KM link can't be generated: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1xlu20/dev_post_crest_killmails_endpoint_ccp_foxfour/ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4224320#post4224320
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:27:28 -
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Something similar : I have an alt that does some casual war-deccing and is NOT api linked to any killboard and I have never generated any api key for that character. But all his killmails are listed on zkillboard. I assumed that this was done through CREST / Wardec. All the kills are from wars though.
I haven't looked at Sibyyl 's links but will do that.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:32:31 -
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All killmails are listed on zkillboard. Api has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:48:01 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila! https://zkillboard.com/kill/45531339/ To post a killmail you need to actively be involved in it or, like the posters above mention, to find it in the corp/wars window. Not all kills get listed there though. What do you mean, API has nothing to do with it?
I know that people post killmails, but if that doesn't happen, how else than through the API would a killboard scan a killmail?
If nobody posts and nobody involved is API verified? At the end you say "Not all kills get listed here", contradicting yourself...
Also... there's these new killboard links in the combat log I have to take a look at... |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:58:54 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila! https://zkillboard.com/kill/45531339/ To post a killmail you need to actively be involved in it or, like the posters above mention, to find it in the corp/wars window. Not all kills get listed there though. What do you mean, API has nothing to do with it? I know that people post killmails, but if that doesn't happen, how else than through the API would a killboard scan a killmail? If nobody posts and nobody involved is API verified? At the end you say "Not all kills get listed here", contradicting yourself... Also... there's these new killboard links in the combat log I have to take a look at...
I mean having an API key has nothing to do with it. Yes, not all kills are listed in corporation window, some are omitted for some reason yet they appear on zkillboard.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:00:44 -
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k, thanks for clarifying. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:57:18 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api key has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila! How certain are you of that?
Here's an in game killmail from 2015.03.27 @ 11:57
No API linked to any killboard for either character (aggressor only blacked out because I have no clue what to do with that character yet).
zkillboard for the time period of 11:57 zkillboard for the system of Ryddinjorn zkillboard for the character Test Victim
I'm by no means standing on solid ground with this as I'm not sure myself, but I always thought at least one API needed to be linked for a kill to show up or it had to be manually posted (though 1 hour since the kill may be too short).
Have searched zkillboard information and can't find anything to confirm that though. So I could definitely be wrong and hopefully the kill shows up eventually (and is just slower because there is no API linked).
It doesn't show on eve-kill (same feed as zkill) or Battleclinic either.
e. To the ISDs, I know I've broken the forum rules with this post, but not to cause ridicule (both characters involved are mine), just to provide something to gain a better understanding from. I know the links need to be deleted, but hopefully they can be left for a little while.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:59:03 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api key has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila! How certain are you of that? Here's an in game killmail from 2015.03.27 @ 11:57No API linked to any killboard for either character (aggressor only blacked out because I have no clue what to do with that character yet). zkillboard for the time period of 11:57zkillboard for the system of Ryddinjornzkillboard for the character Test VictimI'm by no means standing on solid ground with this as I'm not sure myself, but I always thought at least one API needed to be linked for a kill to show up or it had to be manually posted (though 1 hour since the kill may be too short). Have searched zkillboard information and can't find anything to confirm that though. So I could definitely be wrong and hopefully the kill shows up eventually (and is just slower because there is no API linked). It doesn't show on eve-kill (same feed as zkill) or Battleclinic either. I think he just worded it poorly. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.27 13:00:07 -
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NPC corp loss / final blow? Would guess somebody has an alt there and sees the kills of the corp ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:07:50 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api key has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila! How certain are you of that? Here's an in game killmail from 2015.03.27 @ 11:57No API linked to any killboard for either character (aggressor only blacked out because I have no clue what to do with that character yet). zkillboard for the time period of 11:57zkillboard for the system of Ryddinjornzkillboard for the character Test VictimI'm by no means standing on solid ground with this as I'm not sure myself, but I always thought at least one API needed to be linked for a kill to show up or it had to be manually posted (though 1 hour since the kill may be too short). Have searched zkillboard information and can't find anything to confirm that though. So I could definitely be wrong and hopefully the kill shows up eventually (and is just slower because there is no API linked). It doesn't show on eve-kill (same feed as zkill) or Battleclinic either. e. To the ISDs, I know I've broken the forum rules with this post, but not to cause ridicule (both characters involved are mine), just to provide something to gain a better understanding from. I know the links need to be deleted, but hopefully they can be left for a little while.
API is a software to software interface, meaning the owner can release it to a 3d party for external linking of certain content. An API key is generated info meant to be shared between players thus external interfacing, software to player. Unlike the API key, the API is instant software to software interaction. Each account in Eve has it's own id and whatever happens to/with that address is processed by the software and thus sent to the third party software regardless if it has generated an external key or not.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:28:40 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api key has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila!
This is incorrect. Zkill is not like Evewho. The only way a kill can be listed on Zkill is:
- Either player with the final blow or loss has their API plugged in on Zkill
- Either player with final blow or loss has their API plugged into a different site that Zkill scrapes. I am not sure if Zkill does that, but other sites do from time to time use Zkill as a backend (for example, eve-kill, Ganker Lookout)
- Someone provides an API-less external KM link with hash as described here to Zkill (this was one of the points of the CREST endpoint, to allow players to provide API-less verifiable KM links externally).
- Someone has manually provided kill data (I am not sure how this works on Zkill).
The KMs can't be scraped without the hash.
Try typing my name in Zkill. Tell me what you find. Sibs does have plenty of losses (and no kills) in her ingame kill/loss list (miner, no offensive abilities).
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:36:50 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:All kills are listed on zkillboard. Api key has nothing to do with it. Go there, type the name of the pilot in the search list and voila! This is incorrect. Zkill is not like Evewho. The only way a kill can be listed on Zkill is:
- Either player with the final blow or loss has their API plugged in on Zkill
- Either player with final blow or loss has their API plugged into a different site that Zkill scrapes. I am not sure if Zkill does that, but other sites do from time to time use Zkill as a backend (for example, eve-kill, Ganker Lookout)
- Someone provides an API-less external KM link with hash as described here to Zkill (this was one of the points of the CREST endpoint, to allow players to provide API-less verifiable KM links externally).
- Someone has manually provided kill data (I am not sure how this works on Zkill).
The KMs can't be scraped without the hash. Try typing my name in Zkill. Tell me what you find. Sibs does have plenty of losses (and no kills) in her ingame kill/loss list (miner, no offensive abilities).
Maybe you must have a first kill to get registered/have a presence there? Bandwidth reasons?
I can tell you for sure I have never generated an API-key yet I'm listed there.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:39:04 -
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Consufing.
Without API key, there is no access to private API details, which killmails are.
You are listed for other reasons: .) Because another party on killmails uploaded the kill or is verified. .) Corp API.
There should be no way for killboards to access your private data without someone providing a key, which is the only way to retrieve it. |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:45:15 -
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The answer to OP is simple...
The victim was in npc corp, so anyone with an alt in that npc corp can fetch the killmail, from the corp's losses. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:48:25 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Consufing.
Without API key, there is no access to private API details, which killmails are.
You are listed for other reasons: .) Because another party on killmails uploaded the kill or is verified. .) Corp API.
There should be no way for killboards to access your private data without someone providing a key, which is the only way to retrieve it.
A kill mail is also (external) interfacing between the software and your account, means you get informed about an event that has already registered inside the software. The 3d part does not have access to your mail but it has access to the respective event id on the server. I do not have a generated API key, being inside a rookie npc corp, means I shouldn't have a killboard according to that reasoning.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:48:53 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:The answer to OP is simple...
The victim was in npc corp, so anyone with an alt in that npc corp can fetch the killmail, from the corp's losses. These are "public" within NPC corps?
Wow, I had no idea!
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