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zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:24:00 - [1] Edited by: zwerg on 23/10/2006 10:24:24 Hello there, i am totally into recon ships at the moment. I really like the Arazu and the pilgrim! I mean these are great ships with great atributes Arazu: BBQ - Warp Scramble Range BBQ - Sensor Damp Strength and a decent damage ( 3x 200mm II ) of course a drone bay! Pilgrim: BBQ - Best - Combo - in - Game Nos/Drones/ECM aaaaand Tracking disrupt that means: damage, i-win nos, and "you can't hit me" Edit: Drone Bay Now lets take a look at the Falcon: Nice ship, the ECM power is just great! But: The Falcon ONLY got ECM, nothing else. I mean: 2x Gunslots, 2x Missleslots ?! No Drones? No Damage? Just a silly support Cruiser? The whole point of this thread is the huge difference between the Pilgrim/Arazu and the Falcon. So why dont ask the dear GM's to boost the falcon A Bit not that much but there has to be the little kick in it: like 4 gun hardpoints, atleast 3! or a drone Bay! would be enough! I really hope there are a few Falcon lovers outta there who will boost that thread in the hope the falcon gets a bit boosted! zwerg Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:27:00 - [2] Edited by: dalman on 23/10/2006 10:27:43 How about... NO! It says recon ship, not solo-pwn-mobile. A more appropriate suggestion would be to nerf the damage output of other recons (especially the Pilrim). Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:29:00 - [3] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 23/10/2006 10:27:43 How about... NO! It says recon ship, not solo-pwn-mobile. A more appropriate suggestion would be to nerf the damage output of other recons (especially the Pilrim). How about... NO! Want to nerf amarr into ******* oblivion?
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.23 10:30:00 - [4] Edited by: zwerg on 23/10/2006 10:32:24 Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 23/10/2006 10:27:43 How about... NO! It says recon ship, not solo-pwn-mobile. A more appropriate suggestion would be to nerf the damage output of other recons (especially the Pilrim). The Pilgrim - Recon Cruiser ..... .... ... .. . A WTF-Solo-Pwnmobile. and the falcon? give it some love! Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
JoCool Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:02:00 - [5] How about cutting the Pilgrim on drones. Its damage output is way too high for a vessel of its type. _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:03:00 - [6] Originally by: JoCool How about cutting the Pilgrim on drones. Its damage output is way too high for a vessel of its type. Idiot !
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:04:00 - [7] What? ... What? ... WHAT?! Moron. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: JoCool How about cutting the Pilgrim on drones. Its damage output is way too high for a vessel of its type. Idiot ! That you fail to think outside the box and see that most amarr ships are damn good isn't our fault. That an ECM nerf will greatly help amarr ships is a fact. Leave such replies which shows your level out of these forums please. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Elve Sorrow What? ... What? ... WHAT?! Moron. REJOICE BROTHER. We shall train GEYLANDE and slay the unbelieves. These idiots want to nerf the pilgrim. OUT OF THEIR ******* MIND i say !
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:08:00 - [10] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: JoCool How about cutting the Pilgrim on drones. Its damage output is way too high for a vessel of its type. Idiot ! That you fail to think outside the box and see that most amarr ships are damn good isn't our fault. That an ECM nerf will greatly help amarr ships is a fact. Leave such replies which shows your level out of these forums please. What you fail to think outside the box and see that amarr is ****** in the ass, since RMR, boy! Unless you want to train amarr and experience it for yourself you can shove the falcon up your ass please !
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:11:00 - [11] Edited by: MECTO on 23/10/2006 11:11:10 B00ST FALCON!.. and Caldari Originally by: Kusotarre I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:13:00 - [12] Originally by: MECTO Edited by: MECTO on 23/10/2006 11:11:10 B00ST FALCON!.. and Caldari Sarcasm 4tw ! Seriously tho people need to get it through their thick skulls or ** off - amarr is subpar in PVP, ** I even trained for a tempest and large proj t2 and flying it ever since ! FIX AMARR
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:14:00 - [13] imo the reconns are kind of support ships, the pilgrim is a kind of a difference, but with a team of arazu, rapier, falcoon and pilgrim u have the perfect team arazu - scrambels, damps rapier webbs, paints falcon - jams Pilgrim noses and damages So me being a 100% caldari ew nerd, i think the falcon is great at is it.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 imo the reconns are kind of support ships, the pilgrim is a kind of a difference, but with a team of arazu, rapier, falcoon and pilgrim u have the perfect team arazu - scrambels, damps rapier webbs, paints falcon - jams Pilgrim noses and damages So me being a 100% caldari ew nerd, i think the falcon is great at is it. QFT. Hands off cov ops ships if your IQ is not high enough to fly one ! Learn to play T B H.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 imo the reconns are kind of support ships, the pilgrim is a kind of a difference, but with a team of arazu, rapier, falcoon and pilgrim u have the perfect team arazu - scrambels, damps rapier webbs, paints falcon - jams Pilgrim noses and damages So me being a 100% caldari ew nerd, i think the falcon is great at is it. QFT. Hands off cov ops ships if your IQ is not high enough to fly one ! Learn to play T B H. Perhaps you should learn how to play and for the reasoning in your own post stay away from balancing, instead of derailing this thread with your trolling and whatever. The falcon and rapier, and pretty much the arazu as well, are great in the aspect that they work as you could expect from "recon ships". Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:24:00 - [16] And the Pilgrim is one of the very few ships that Amarr have that can solo. In a ship v ship comparison it might be more versatile then the others, its not better. The Falcon will jamm it but not break its tank, the Rapier will orbit it at 15k but unable to hit and the Arazu will *****it a new one) It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:25:00 - [17] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 imo the reconns are kind of support ships, the pilgrim is a kind of a difference, but with a team of arazu, rapier, falcoon and pilgrim u have the perfect team arazu - scrambels, damps rapier webbs, paints falcon - jams Pilgrim noses and damages So me being a 100% caldari ew nerd, i think the falcon is great at is it. QFT. Hands off cov ops ships if your IQ is not high enough to fly one ! Learn to play T B H. Perhaps you should learn how to play and for the reasoning in your own post stay away from balancing, instead of derailing this thread with your trolling and whatever. The falcon and rapier, and pretty much the arazu as well, are great in the aspect that they work as you could expect from "recon ships". Amarr. Solo. Pwnmobiles. None - except for pilgrim SO KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF IT. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Elve Sorrow And the Pilgrim is one of the very few ships that Amarr have that can solo. In a ship v ship comparison it might be more versatile then the others, its not better. The Falcon will jamm it but not break its tank, the Rapier will orbit it at 15k but unable to hit and the Arazu will *****it a new one) You can solo effectively in pretty much any amarr ship as well. All you have to do is understand that solo is very different from gang pvp and fit accordingly. Which pretty much everyone fails horribly at. And well, what you said was pretty much what I said originally, that the pilgrim hardly fits the description of a recon ship. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:30:00 - [19] Originally by: dalman You can solo effectively in pretty much any amarr ship as well. not any but in armag u can solo ** out of all if u go into red kb and enter "fedor" Originally by:** Kusotarre I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:30:00 - [20] Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:30:27 Originally by: dalman Originally by: Elve Sorrow And the Pilgrim is one of the very few ships that Amarr have that can solo. In a ship v ship comparison it might be more versatile then the others, its not better. The Falcon will jamm it but not break its tank, the Rapier will orbit it at 15k but unable to hit and the Arazu will *****it a new one) You can solo effectively in pretty much any amarr ship as well. All you have to do is understand that solo is very different from gang pvp and fit accordingly. Which pretty much everyone fails horribly at. And well, what you said was pretty much what I said originally, that the pilgrim hardly fits the description of a recon ship. Train. Train for amarr. Buy, buy a geddon, fit it and i'll meet you outside 25km out in a megathron/tempest. See ya pod boy. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:32:00 - [21] Originally by: MECTO Originally by: dalman You can solo effectively in pretty much any amarr ship as well. not any but in armag u can solo ** out of all if u go into red kb and enter "fedor" Wasps II, berserkers II. KNOWN FACT but what the is this? 2 Ships that can actually be rather good in pvp: geddon and pilgrim & what about the rest - *****s !! It's great being Amarr, aint it?
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:34:00 - [22] Edited by: dalman on 23/10/2006 11:35:47 Originally by: Exiled One Train. Train for amarr. Buy, buy a geddon, fit it and i'll meet you outside 25km out in a megathron/tempest. See ya pod boy. If I flew an armageddon and would do a 1vs1 against a megathron or tempest, I'd win with ease. k? There's a reason why I never fly megathrons solo although I'm maxed out skillpoint wise: There are many other ships that are better for solo. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:40:00 - [23] Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:41:02 Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:40:30 Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Train. Train for amarr. Buy, buy a geddon, fit it and i'll meet you outside 25km out in a megathron/tempest. See ya pod boy. If I flew an armageddon and would do a 1vs1 against a megathron or tempest, I'd win with ease. k? Not k. You can start talking ** when you experience the other side, for now stfu. I can fly all BS, have hybrid L t2 & energy L t2, and the megathron is either clearly overpowered or amarr is clearly subpar. I'd be laughing at you, seeing as you struggle to break a tank with 2 t2 EANMS and a FF DC. I admit, geddon owns - but why? TECH 2 Berserker drones, without them, it can't kill **. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Pyr8 The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:42:00 - [24] Force Recon's were never intentionally developed as solo pwn mobiles, it just so happens that by flawed design some are exceptional. Pilgrim is a kick ass ship as everyone knows, Rapier and Arazu follow closely behind with the Falcon trailing somewhere in the distance. I love the falcon, but rarely use it for the above reason, the addition of a small drone bay wouldn't go amiss
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Pyr8 Force Recon's were never intentionally developed as solo pwn mobiles, it just so happens that by flawed design some are exceptional. Pilgrim is a kick ass ship as everyone knows, Rapier and Arazu follow closely behind with the Falcon trailing somewhere in the distance. I love the falcon, but rarely use it for the above reason, the addition of a small drone bay wouldn't go amiss What flawed design?? ISHTAR, dominix & ishkur - all of them have these flawed design called re-mastered post rmr drones and med slots?? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Exiled One Not k. You can start talking ** when you experience the other side, for now stfu. I can fly all BS, have hybrid L t2 & energy L t2, and the megathron is either clearly overpowered or amarr is clearly subpar. I'd be laughing at you, seeing as you struggle to break a tank with 2 t2 EANMS and a FF DC. I admit, geddon owns - but why? TECH 2 Berserker drones, without them, it can't kill **. I wouldn't be a well-known solo-pilot if I didn't know the strengths and weaknesses of all ships. That I know the ship you're flying better than you do is hardly my problem. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Exiled One Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:41:02 Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:40:30 Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Train. Train for amarr. Buy, buy a geddon, fit it and i'll meet you outside 25km out in a megathron/tempest. See ya pod boy. If I flew an armageddon and would do a 1vs1 against a megathron or tempest, I'd win with ease. k? Not k. You can start talking ** when you experience the other side, for now stfu. I can fly all BS, have hybrid L t2 & energy L t2, and the megathron is either clearly overpowered or amarr is clearly subpar. I'd be laughing at you, seeing as you struggle to break a tank with 2 t2 EANMS and a FF DC. I admit, geddon owns - but why? TECH 2 Berserker drones, without them, it can't kill **. If u can fly those ships what are u whining about? Blastermega is the close range bs with most dps in game, Apo best alphastrike, and a pulse geddon with a webber drones will get a blasterthron into serious troubble. Not to mention the zealot, crusader and pilgrim wich are all great ships in their sector...
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:46:00 - [28] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Not k. You can start talking ** when you experience the other side, for now stfu. I can fly all BS, have hybrid L t2 & energy L t2, and the megathron is either clearly overpowered or amarr is clearly subpar. I'd be laughing at you, seeing as you struggle to break a tank with 2 t2 EANMS and a FF DC. I admit, geddon owns - but why? TECH 2 Berserker drones, without them, it can't kill **. I wouldn't be a well-known solo-pilot if I didn't know the strengths and weaknesses of all ships. That I know the ship you're flying better than you do is hardly my problem. That's tuxfords problem, balanding the game and not making caldari and gallente the alpha races. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:50:00 - [29] Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 imo the reconns are kind of support ships, the pilgrim is a kind of a difference, but with a team of arazu, rapier, falcoon and pilgrim u have the perfect team arazu - scrambels, damps rapier webbs, paints falcon - jams Pilgrim noses and damages So me being a 100% caldari ew nerd, i think the falcon is great at is it. QFT. Hands off cov ops ships if your IQ is not high enough to fly one ! Learn to play T B H. Perhaps you should learn how to play and for the reasoning in your own post stay away from balancing, instead of derailing this thread with your trolling and whatever. The falcon and rapier, and pretty much the arazu as well, are great in the aspect that they work as you could expect from "recon ships". Link This quote and your previous - bull**tter Gallente boy What a waste of ***** time Discussion closed. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.23 11:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Exiled One Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:41:02 Edited by: Exiled One on 23/10/2006 11:40:30 Originally by: dalman Originally by: Exiled One Train. Train for amarr. Buy, buy a geddon, fit it and i'll meet you outside 25km out in a megathron/tempest. See ya pod boy. If I flew an armageddon and would do a 1vs1 against a megathron or tempest, I'd win with ease. k? Not k. You can start talking ** when you experience the other side, for now stfu. I can fly all BS, have hybrid L t2 & energy L t2, and the megathron is either clearly overpowered or amarr is clearly subpar. I'd be laughing at you, seeing as you struggle to break a tank with 2 t2 EANMS and a FF DC. I admit, geddon owns - but why? TECH 2 Berserker drones, without them, it can't kill **. If u can fly those ships what are u whining about? Blastermega is the close range bs with most dps in game, Apo best alphastrike, and a pulse geddon with a webber drones will get a blasterthron into serious troubble. Not to mention the zealot, crusader and pilgrim wich are all great ships in their sector... Yes, good ships, BUT these idiots want to nerf them even more (pilgrim) Discussion closed. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Xeriuz Caldari The Puppet Masters.	Posted - 2006.10.23 12:12:00 - [31] why dont you just use the Rook then??? dosent it have 5 missile slots or some?? ______________________________________________ X You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:13:00 - [32] Edited by: dalman on 23/10/2006 13:14:13 Originally by: Exiled One Link This quote and your previous - bull**tter Gallente boy What a waste of *** time Discussion closed. You're welcome to look at my stats, at FZN killboard, Rampage killboard, SA killboard(s) (offline), FIX killboard (multiply my kills there with 3x to be accurate) etc. I've never hidden that I've only flown gallante since I switched to that from Caldari after ~8 months of the game. Difference is that in opposite to you, I want balance and I always argue for balance and not for myself, k? Do you remember way back in the days, when TomB increased Antimatter base damage from 44 to 48? Out of all the people on these boards, I was the one person who argumented strongest against this change.** At a time when I used rails on my raven and was training up my gallante skills. And that's just one example of very very many when I've argumented against the race/ships I use. Go look at some of the spamming I've done about nerfing the current state of ECM and how they're used at dominixes. And what ship do I fly most? Yea, you've already found out that it's the dominix. But then again, looking at the general standard of posts on these boards, including yours, I figure it's quite shocking for you to find someone arguing for the devs to nerf himself. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:16:00 - [33] Pilgrims and arazus excell at the shutting down of multiple options of any SINGLE opponent. The falcon is designed to shut down a SINGLE option for MULTIPLE opponents. It's different, not worse/. Old blog
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:23:00 - [34] Hmm, Pilgrim, TD bonus. What do people fit on it? ECM Arazu? Ditto Rapier? Ditto Anyway Falcon gets an ECM bonus so it does what the others do but better. All it falls short on is dps. When you can easily jam 3 opponents and sometimes 5-7 at an optimal of 160km+ what more could you ask for? In summary, take friends, its a gang ship.
Sebroth FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:32:00 - [35] Originally by: zwerg Edited by: zwerg on 23/10/2006 10:24:24 Hello there, i am totally into recon ships at the moment. I really like the Arazu and the pilgrim! I mean these are great ships with great atributes Arazu: BBQ - Warp Scramble Range BBQ - Sensor Damp Strength and a decent damage ( 3x 200mm II ) of course a drone bay! Pilgrim: BBQ - Best - Combo - in - Game Nos/Drones/ECM aaaaand Tracking disrupt that means: damage, i-win nos, and "you can't hit me" Edit: Drone Bay Now lets take a look at the Falcon: Nice ship, the ECM power is just great! But: The Falcon ONLY got ECM, nothing else. I mean: 2x Gunslots, 2x Missleslots ?! No Drones? No Damage? Just a silly support Cruiser? The whole point of this thread is the huge difference between the Pilgrim/Arazu and the Falcon. So why dont ask the dear GM's to boost the falcon A Bit not that much but there has to be the little kick in it: like 4 gun hardpoints, atleast 3! or a drone Bay! would be enough! I really hope there are a few Falcon lovers outta there who will boost that thread in the hope the falcon gets a bit boosted! zwerg you missed the rapier ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:34:00 - [36] The Pilgrim and Arazu aren't good against 3 - 4 ships . Falcon man i can lock down ships. The ability to lock down more ships for less firepower imo is pretty good. Done whine and NOT SIGNED. Leave them as they are and because you said boost the falcon nerf it a bit anyway Lydia out ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:04:00 - [37] Just one more launcher hardpoint. Please? 2 heavy launchers is just feeble. Not that I think it's necessary, since it's good at it's role - a cloaked Ewar ship, but it still depresses me when I have to call in support to pop a tech 1 frigate.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:06:00 - [38] I actually tried the Falcon for a few days in low sec to give it my first test... The cloak is good, and the jamming is excellent.!! Damage is bad... The BlackBird can at least fit 3 launchers or 3 guns, and no drones really make the Falcon cry. Fitting Blasters and NOS or perhaps a missile launcher is the most damage you can do solo, so just keep them scrambled and jammed while waiting... A few light drones would be nice, but I think it's rather balanced atm. Pinky

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Dryxonedes Sae Whine Distillery	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:48:00 - [40] Maybe a 25m drone bay would be it... mebbe less, 15... I do like it as it stands but the damage is really, really really poor, atleast being able to kill off a T1 frig with a low skill pilot in a reasonable amount of time, that'd be nice. ** Where's the problem? It's called natural selection - The bottom of the **ing food chain. -Denis Leary
FraXy Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:55:00 - [41] With all the drone damage skills maxed out with Gallente spec 5 the Pilgrim can output 237.6 DPS from 5 Hammerhead II. Or 245.2 from 2 Ogre II, 1 Hammerhead II and 2 Hobgoblin II. Now, where is the so called "overpowered" damage output we are talking about? This is my lazy attempt to make an uber-signature, please go away!
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Rod Blaine Pilgrims and arazus excell at the shutting down of multiple options of any SINGLE opponent. The falcon is designed to shut down a SINGLE option for MULTIPLE opponents. It's different, not worse/. qft
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:59:00 - [43] I can do in raven exactly what i can do in arazu/lachesis apart from scrambling. Great eh?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Rod Blaine Pilgrims and arazus excell at the shutting down of multiple options of any SINGLE opponent. The falcon is designed to shut down a SINGLE option for MULTIPLE opponents. It's different, not worse/. Said it all. it's very good at its particular role which is to jam things as part of a gang. It isn't a solo ship. As Rod said its different, like most other Caldari ships. People too often make the mistake of seeing 'difference' as 'better'. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Valhalior Caldari Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.23 17:42:00 - [45] It should have 2 missile hardpoints and 3 gun hardpoints. With some range bonus to rails. So make it similar to command ships (missile nighthawk and rails on vulture), af (hawk - harpy), inty and hac. One type - two different weapons. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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