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Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:55:49 - [31] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Puh Tayto wrote: Interesting how different the reactions are here compared to those on reddit. I don't want to look and you know it already ... ... what are the reactions on reddit like? Please understand that our reactions are also influenced by the OP's behaviour. People are mostly mad that older characters aren't being given the two extra remaps. Tbh, I don't really see why CCP couldn't have done it. I'm not mad though.
Aphsala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:57:52 - [32] - Quote Im not bothered tbh, if this small change helps keep newplayers, then all the more for it
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33740	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:16:56 - [33] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 766	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:29:36 - [34] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33740	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:41:20 - [35] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. This is why I said I'm officially a bittervet now in my previous post. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1061	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:45:49 - [36] - Quote Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8152	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:51:16 - [37] - Quote I've made over 40 characters. Lots of them since remaps have become available. I have maybe used a bonus map on two of those. That said, I see no issue with this. Some people will still manage to burn through all 5 in a month and then come here crying for more. Two extra remaps won't change stupid, so I see it having little effect on the game, overall. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 50	Posted - 2015.03.29 12:02:20 - [38] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. No. First of all doesn't everyone care.... so you're wrong. Second does it imply that CCP is just a big bad company out there to hurt feelings. Gee ... wrong again, I guess. Then there's the fact that you are just envious. Anyhow ... I apologise if I sound rude. I didn't know you haven't matured yet. I do hope you leave bittervet status again. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Jawls Rohn Neon Incorporated 404 Alliance Not Found 9	Posted - 2015.03.29 12:17:57 - [39] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. Training stuff you don't need just because you want to maximise sp/hr is daft. The game is there to be enjoyed, train whatever will allow you to enjoy the game. Who cares if you gain sp at a slightly slower rate because of it. The OP is the worst kind of whining. I'd get rid of attributes altogether, but if CCP doesn't want to do that and calculates that givng new players extra remaps will improve player retention, then I'm all for it.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33741	Posted - 2015.03.29 12:31:45 - [40] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant ** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. No. First of all doesn't everyone care.... so you're wrong. Second does it imply that CCP is just a big bad company out there to hurt feelings. Gee ... wrong again, I guess. Then there's the fact that you are just envious. Anyhow ... I apologise if I sound rude. I didn't know you haven't matured yet. I do hope you leave bittervet status again. :frogout: Jawls Rohn wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote:** I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. Training stuff you don't need just because you want to maximise sp/hr is daft. The game is there to be enjoyed, train whatever will allow you to enjoy the game. Who cares if you gain sp at a slightly slower rate because of it. The OP is the worst kind of whining. I'd get rid of attributes altogether, but if CCP doesn't want to do that and calculates that givng new players extra remaps will improve player retention, then I'm all for it. Maximising SP/hour also does bring enjoyment of a different kind. I care if I gain SP slower, as a lot of other people do. It's just annoying because I'd be hitting my desired goals somewhere around third quarter 2016 instead of by the end of 2015. I mean the very fact that they're giving out two extra remaps to new players means that people do benefit from those early on in their career. Why do bad threads happen to good people?

Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44400	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:00:44 - [41] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. I have about the same SP as you and I'm not bothered by not getting bonus remaps now.
Torviak Sandman Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:02:27 - [42] - Quote Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread...
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44400	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:03:12 - [43] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.
Torviak Sandman Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:03:14 - [44] - Quote Torviak Sandman wrote: Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread... ISDs please respond in appropriate fashion.... This thread is a rant and a troll.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44400	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:04:29 - [45] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones. They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!! T WO I like how you prove my first post in this thread absolutely right. OTOH at the moment I am unable to tell if you're just trolling ... ... or really are that way. I don't want to bother looking through your posting history. You deserve nothing. I hereby sentence you to death by snoosnoo. (what's the spellnig again?) The fat small chick is on it's way already. Dismissed. This thread sums up well every thread this OP has ever posted.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33741	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:11:28 - [46] - Quote Torviak Sandman wrote: Torviak Sandman wrote: Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread... ISDs please respond in appropriate fashion.... This thread is a rant and a troll. I'm laughing so hard right now. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Complete Tart 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:24:14 - [47] - Quote Torviak Sandman wrote: Torviak Sandman wrote: Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread... ISDs please respond in appropriate fashion.... This thread is a rant and a troll. ISD PLZ RESPOND PLZ I can't think of one good reason why newer characters or even vets shouldn't have gotten this too.
Mag's the united 19193	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:32:11 - [48] - Quote Why should I be mad? Sounds like a good idea. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1004	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:03:55 - [49] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968 58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now? And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!? note darwin's job title copy/paste from his forum sig: Senior Technical Artist and meh, I still have 2 bonus remaps from years back when they gave them to everyone, and some of my alts have 3 @ChainsawPlankto
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 482	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:22:42 - [50] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968 58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now? And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!? note darwin's job title copy/paste from his forum sig: Senior Technical Artist and meh, I still have 2 bonus remaps from years back when they gave them to everyone, and some of my alts have 3 Agreed. Attribute remaps are overrated and only cater to OCD game players like the OP. Who then inflict whinging post after whinging post about how this that or the other is all so unfair. Yeah, there was no official dev post even suggesting that they would remove attributes. It was a lone dev from the art deparment repeatedly posting in a thread that he personally sorta maybe liked the idea and was asking to relevant devs about it at lunch or wherever. It took a while, but his boss probably finally told him, in a non workplace violence appropriate fashion, to STFU Anyway, OP, your tears . . . CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5008	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:28:30 - [51] - Quote Removed some troll posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1364	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:28:31 - [52] - Quote And here I thought we'd make it full week without one of this OP's beautifully constructed, reasonable, and worthwhile threads. Whew. Dodged that bullet. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1063	Posted - 2015.03.29 16:30:20 - [53] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:05:05 - [54] - Quote Who cares about remaps. And please, new players (not alts) probably don't even know/use this feature. It only helps older accounts with those pesky LvL 5 books needing completed (obviously by increasing the points to that book's primary and secondary attribute).
Alpheias Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 8474	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:06:41 - [55] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Well, isn't that the purpose of character attributes? To enhance your character's abilities whether you are going for a arcane ranger in D&D or training skill XYZ to 5 in EVE? If character attributes is by your definition a "unneeded level of complexity", I strongly advise you taking some math classes. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:12:27 - [56] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Who cares about remaps. I'd love to have extra bonus remaps to concentrate on skill sets like drones, navigation, leadership, trade, etc. that don't require a year to train. Actually, I'd rather have regular remaps available every 6-12 months instead of 1 year since last remap.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44426	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:42:07 - [57] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? So I guess you would be ok with it, if attributes would be dropped and you could train with same speed as you currently can with a flat point distribution

CCP Darwin C C P C C P Alliance 1291	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:51:07 - [58] - Quote Deacon Abox wrote: It took a while, but his boss probably finally told him, in a non workplace violence appropriate fashion, to STFU Nobody asked me to stop posting, I just felt the discussion had run its course. I normally don't post on matters that don't have to do with art and graphics, but in this instance I'd been talking about these questions with the folks on the team and they were fine with me diving into the forum thread. Anyway, as far as I understand, there's nothing new to add to the Winter CSM minutes on the possibility of changes to or removal of attributes, other than that the game development team did read all the back-and-forth in that earlier thread. And, I can't really offer you any insight into the additional remap question. CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins

Orlacc 853	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:56:23 - [59] - Quote Nicolai Serkanner wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Just happened. All new toons start with FOUR (4) Bonus remaps IN ADDition to the 1 timed one. So go make a new toon, see you have FIVE (5) remaps avaliable. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30lqrk/psa_new_characters_now_have_4_bonus_1_timed_remap/ Y u gonna be mad??? Umm p-sure this means the whole "attribute removal" thing is out the window Also Im young, Y dont i get 2 extra remaps???? Also, ccp y u just secretly add stuff like this to the game without any info/blog/freakjng anything about it?? Seriosuly i shouldnt have 2 break this news ccp. Go away. OP is the future of EVE. A new demographic is upon us. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate. 1522	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:57:24 - [60] - Quote I just find that it's ****ing hilarious that this thread was started by someone in an alliance that greatly benefits from pulling in new people. Fake edit: And for Pete's sake, OP: unless you're still kicking it all chill in the parking lot after school on your sweet Moto Razr, you have a full keyboard in front of you and no text limit. Proper. English. I love you Ezwal don't hurt me, please. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword



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