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Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 09:43:37 - [1] - Quote Just happened. All new toons start with FOUR (4) Bonus remaps IN ADDition to the 1 timed one. So go make a new toon, see you have FIVE (5) remaps avaliable. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30lqrk/psa_new_characters_now_have_4_bonus_1_timed_remap/ Y u gonna be mad??? Umm p-sure this means the whole "attribute removal" thing is out the window Also Im young, Y dont i get 2 extra remaps???? Also, ccp y u just secretly add stuff like this to the game without any info/blog/freakjng anything about it?? Seriosuly i shouldnt have 2 break this news ccp.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 09:54:04 - [2] - Quote This was 'breaking news' several days ago.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 35206	Posted - 2015.03.29 09:55:45 - [3] - Quote I think that is a useful change for new characters. Have no problem with it. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 09:56:51 - [4] - Quote Puh Tayto wrote: This was 'breaking news' several days ago. Then please link the ccp link breaking it? Or theyre response to it? Or link to massive threadnaught of people yelling and crying? None here? Guess news hasnt broke until i just broke it dude.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 09:58:42 - [5] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: I think that is a useful change for new characters. Have no problem with it. Yeah but they were gonna remove attributes. I will find that threadnaught. Ccp darwin talks a ton in it im p-sure its him, well some1 anyways. I guess if they b adding remaps, they aint gonna remove the freaking attribute system hmm? Also im like 4 months old, i demand 2 extra bonus remaps now!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 35206	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:02:18 - [6] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Yeah but they were gonna remove attributes. I will find that threadnaught. Ccp darwin talks a ton in it im p-sure its him, well some1 anyways. I guess if they b adding remaps, they aint gonna remove the freaking attribute system hmm No need to find the threadnaught. It wasn't that long ago and I was against the removal of attributes on the basis of simplifying the game when simple isn't needed. CCP still might remove attributes. This may be an interim change. Who knows. They'll do what they think they need to in order to increase new player retention. As for demanding the extras, just biomass and start again if it is that important to you. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:03:57 - [7] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968 58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now? And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!?
Niobe Song Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:04:30 - [8] - Quote Good. I hope they get rid of it all while they are at it. And if any bittervets complain and try to say it made the game better I hope CCP beats them with sticks.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:05:39 - [9] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Puh Tayto wrote: This was 'breaking news' several days ago. Then please link the ccp link breaking it? Or theyre response to it? Or link to massive threadnaught of people yelling and crying? None here? Guess news hasnt broke until i just broke it dude. It's been a feature of the game for several days. Just because it somehow evaded your attention doesn't mean lots of other people don't already know about it. Perhaps CCP will put "theyre (sic) response" in this thread.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:07:58 - [10] - Quote Niobe Song wrote: Good. I hope they get rid of it all while they are at it. And if any bittervets complain and try to say it made the game better I hope CCP beats them with sticks. Ummmm dude... they are ADDING REMAPS lol. Not removing them. Thats kinda the opposite. Hense the anger
Ivarr Kerensky Kerensky Tactical Group 3	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:08:39 - [11] - Quote I'm happy to see that CCP seems to steer away from "remove choices because :effort:". I don't rally see the need for an extra remap but it's not really that important or game breaking. It IS a bit weird that this was not in any way explained or mentioned somewhere. Why should we be mad about it? Excellence is an attitude.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:09:47 - [12] - Quote Puh Tayto wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Puh Tayto wrote: This was 'breaking news' several days ago. Then please link the ccp link breaking it? Or theyre response to it? Or link to massive threadnaught of people yelling and crying? None here? Guess news hasnt broke until i just broke it dude. It's been a feature of the game for several days. Just because it somehow evaded your attention doesn't mean lots of other people don't already know about it. Perhaps CCP will put "theyre (sic) response" in this thread. So how do people find out about this feature? Some kind of silent advertising promotions? Ccp seriosuly? Everytime u patch without posting patch notes people yell, yet u implent this major change and just silense dor "several days" accouriding to dude?
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:10:39 - [13] - Quote Ivarr Kerensky wrote: I'm happy to see that CCP seems to steer away from "remove choices because :effort:". I don't rally see the need for an extra remap but it's not really that important or game breaking. It IS a bit weird that this was not in any way explained or mentioned somewhere. Why should we be mad about it? Cuz im 4 months old and i want my GD 2 extra bonus rempas too!
ISquishWorms 255	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:11:27 - [14] - Quote I didn't know about this either. I trained the hard way, including the learning skills remember those? It is already a lot quicker to train a new character from scratch than it used to be. GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ.
Ivarr Kerensky Kerensky Tactical Group 3	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:13:32 - [15] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Ivarr Kerensky wrote: I'm happy to see that CCP seems to steer away from "remove choices because :effort:". I don't rally see the need for an extra remap but it's not really that important or game breaking. It IS a bit weird that this was not in any way explained or mentioned somewhere. Why should we be mad about it? Cuz im 4 months old and i want my GD 2 extra bonus rempas too! Aha, so WE should be mad because YOU didn't get something. My character is not even 2 months old, I also didn't get it. If CCP decides to retro actively give young characters the extra remaps I'd like that but if they choose to not do so (because it's arbitrary as fck) then I'm also fine with it. Excellence is an attitude.
Frank Millar The Scope Gallente Federation 2280	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:20:33 - [16] - Quote I ain't slightly mad. I approve of this change as it can help newbros. Removal of attributes would be the next step in dumbing down the game, which I would not approve of. ... In before noobs blow away 5 remaps in two weeks, and complain in forums that they still were not able to "catch up".
malcovas Henderson THoF 352	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:31:50 - [17] - Quote Bloody hell!!!! another Boo hoo thread. When will these bloody "self entitled" fukwits stop playing computer games.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:32:33 - [18] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: [quote=Puh Tayto]So how do people find out about this feature? Some kind of silent advertising promotions? Ccp seriosuly? Everytime u patch without posting patch notes people yell, yet u implent this major change and just silense dor "several days" accouriding to dude? Perhaps CCP anticipated a tsunami of vet tears and tried to sneak it in on the quiet. Surprised it wasn't mentioned officially, tbh.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 315	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:38:32 - [19] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Just happened. All new toons start with FOUR (4) Bonus remaps IN ADDition to the 1 timed one. So go make a new toon, see you have FIVE (5) remaps avaliable. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30lqrk/psa_new_characters_now_have_4_bonus_1_timed_remap/ Y u gonna be mad??? Umm p-sure this means the whole "attribute removal" thing is out the window Also Im young, Y dont i get 2 extra remaps???? Also, ccp y u just secretly add stuff like this to the game without any info/blog/freakjng anything about it?? Seriosuly i shouldnt have 2 break this news ccp. Go away.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 48	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:40:17 - [20] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: I think that is a useful change for new characters. Have no problem with it. Yeah but they were gonna remove attributes. I will find that threadnaught. Ccp darwin talks a ton in it im p-sure its him, well some1 anyways. I guess if they b adding remaps, they aint gonna remove the freaking attribute system hmm? Also im like 4 months old, i demand 2 extra bonus remaps now! What I observe from the OP, with me taking the position of the OP ... .) CCP said they do something and thus have to do it. They are not allowed to change their minds. This might or might not be connected to me favouring CCP's idea and thus being angry about it not happening. .) I deserve this too. I feel treated unfairly, because others are getting something I am not. I am envious. .) I definitely lack the wisdom to understand that proper spelling is important. .) I am ignorant, because I don't care that proper spelling is important. I'll conclude my observations, with: I am a self entitled, envious person that is in EVE to escape from reallife. Also, I believe that most people share my feelings (!) and thus jump on the bandwagon of hate. Gee, I like this ... it's simply neutral, observant, actually on topic although in a cryptic way, and there's not a single rule break in this post. ^_^ "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33740	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:42:21 - [21] - Quote I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 48	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:42:34 - [22] - Quote Puh Tayto wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: So how do people find out about this feature? Some kind of silent advertising promotions? Ccp seriosuly? Everytime u patch without posting patch notes people yell, yet u implent this major change and just silense dor "several days" accouriding to dude? Perhaps CCP anticipated a tsunami of vet tears and tried to sneak it in on the quiet. Surprised it wasn't mentioned officially, tbh. That's a really well done face, mate! And from the thumbnail it looks quite realistic! (needs PBR, lighting is off) "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame 7270	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:43:13 - [23] - Quote something something eve is dying Everything's a game if you make it one - Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 48	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:44:40 - [24] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:45:44 - [25] - Quote Interesting how different the reactions are here compared to those on reddit.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 34	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:48:20 - [26] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones. They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!! T WO
Ivarr Kerensky Kerensky Tactical Group 3	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:50:06 - [27] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones. They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!! T WO I want you to stfu, also not happening. Excellence is an attitude.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:50:41 - [28] - Quote Puh Tayto wrote: Interesting how different the reactions are here compared to those on reddit. I don't want to look and you know it already ... ... what are the reactions on reddit like? Please understand that our reactions are also influenced by the OP's behaviour. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 49	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:53:09 - [29] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones. They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!! T WO I like how you prove my first post in this thread absolutely right. OTOH at the moment I am unable to tell if you're just trolling ... ... or really are that way. I don't want to bother looking through your posting history. You deserve nothing. I hereby sentence you to death by snoosnoo. (what's the spellnig again?) The fat small chick is on it's way already. Dismissed. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Memphis Baas 267	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:54:33 - [30] - Quote I'm betting they also get an ~~achievement~~ / ~~opportunity~~ / tutorial asking them to remap a couple times, thereby consuming some of those remaps.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:55:49 - [31] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Puh Tayto wrote: Interesting how different the reactions are here compared to those on reddit. I don't want to look and you know it already ... ... what are the reactions on reddit like? Please understand that our reactions are also influenced by the OP's behaviour. People are mostly mad that older characters aren't being given the two extra remaps. Tbh, I don't really see why CCP couldn't have done it. I'm not mad though.
Aphsala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.03.29 10:57:52 - [32] - Quote Im not bothered tbh, if this small change helps keep newplayers, then all the more for it
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33740	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:16:56 - [33] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 766	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:29:36 - [34] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33740	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:41:20 - [35] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. This is why I said I'm officially a bittervet now in my previous post. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1061	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:45:49 - [36] - Quote Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8152	Posted - 2015.03.29 11:51:16 - [37] - Quote I've made over 40 characters. Lots of them since remaps have become available. I have maybe used a bonus map on two of those. That said, I see no issue with this. Some people will still manage to burn through all 5 in a month and then come here crying for more. Two extra remaps won't change stupid, so I see it having little effect on the game, overall. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 50	Posted - 2015.03.29 12:02:20 - [38] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. No. First of all doesn't everyone care.... so you're wrong. Second does it imply that CCP is just a big bad company out there to hurt feelings. Gee ... wrong again, I guess. Then there's the fact that you are just envious. Anyhow ... I apologise if I sound rude. I didn't know you haven't matured yet. I do hope you leave bittervet status again. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Jawls Rohn Neon Incorporated 404 Alliance Not Found 9	Posted - 2015.03.29 12:17:57 - [39] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. Training stuff you don't need just because you want to maximise sp/hr is daft. The game is there to be enjoyed, train whatever will allow you to enjoy the game. Who cares if you gain sp at a slightly slower rate because of it. The OP is the worst kind of whining. I'd get rid of attributes altogether, but if CCP doesn't want to do that and calculates that givng new players extra remaps will improve player retention, then I'm all for it.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33741	Posted - 2015.03.29 12:31:45 - [40] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant ** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. No. First of all doesn't everyone care.... so you're wrong. Second does it imply that CCP is just a big bad company out there to hurt feelings. Gee ... wrong again, I guess. Then there's the fact that you are just envious. Anyhow ... I apologise if I sound rude. I didn't know you haven't matured yet. I do hope you leave bittervet status again. :frogout: Jawls Rohn wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote:** I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. Training stuff you don't need just because you want to maximise sp/hr is daft. The game is there to be enjoyed, train whatever will allow you to enjoy the game. Who cares if you gain sp at a slightly slower rate because of it. The OP is the worst kind of whining. I'd get rid of attributes altogether, but if CCP doesn't want to do that and calculates that givng new players extra remaps will improve player retention, then I'm all for it. Maximising SP/hour also does bring enjoyment of a different kind. I care if I gain SP slower, as a lot of other people do. It's just annoying because I'd be hitting my desired goals somewhere around third quarter 2016 instead of by the end of 2015. I mean the very fact that they're giving out two extra remaps to new players means that people do benefit from those early on in their career. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44400	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:00:44 - [41] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. I have about the same SP as you and I'm not bothered by not getting bonus remaps now.
Torviak Sandman Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:02:27 - [42] - Quote Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread...
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44400	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:03:12 - [43] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill.
Torviak Sandman Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:03:14 - [44] - Quote Torviak Sandman wrote: Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread... ISDs please respond in appropriate fashion.... This thread is a rant and a troll.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44400	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:04:29 - [45] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones. They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!! T WO I like how you prove my first post in this thread absolutely right. OTOH at the moment I am unable to tell if you're just trolling ... ... or really are that way. I don't want to bother looking through your posting history. You deserve nothing. I hereby sentence you to death by snoosnoo. (what's the spellnig again?) The fat small chick is on it's way already. Dismissed. This thread sums up well every thread this OP has ever posted.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33741	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:11:28 - [46] - Quote Torviak Sandman wrote: Torviak Sandman wrote: Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread... ISDs please respond in appropriate fashion.... This thread is a rant and a troll. I'm laughing so hard right now. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Complete Tart 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:24:14 - [47] - Quote Torviak Sandman wrote: Torviak Sandman wrote: Im sorry but you are ranting, your posts are not constructive, Im gonna ask ISD Decoy to lock your thread... ISDs please respond in appropriate fashion.... This thread is a rant and a troll. ISD PLZ RESPOND PLZ I can't think of one good reason why newer characters or even vets shouldn't have gotten this too.
Mag's the united 19193	Posted - 2015.03.29 13:32:11 - [48] - Quote Why should I be mad? Sounds like a good idea. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1004	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:03:55 - [49] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968 58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now? And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!? note darwin's job title copy/paste from his forum sig: Senior Technical Artist and meh, I still have 2 bonus remaps from years back when they gave them to everyone, and some of my alts have 3 @ChainsawPlankto
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 482	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:22:42 - [50] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5502968#post5502968 58page mega thread we just had about how they gonna remove them. Ccp darwin made like over 15replies in it 2 before ezdwall locked it. Guess thats off table now? And Seriosuly why nothing from ccp when they implemented this major change???????!? note darwin's job title copy/paste from his forum sig: Senior Technical Artist and meh, I still have 2 bonus remaps from years back when they gave them to everyone, and some of my alts have 3 Agreed. Attribute remaps are overrated and only cater to OCD game players like the OP. Who then inflict whinging post after whinging post about how this that or the other is all so unfair. Yeah, there was no official dev post even suggesting that they would remove attributes. It was a lone dev from the art deparment repeatedly posting in a thread that he personally sorta maybe liked the idea and was asking to relevant devs about it at lunch or wherever. It took a while, but his boss probably finally told him, in a non workplace violence appropriate fashion, to STFU Anyway, OP, your tears . . . CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5008	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:28:30 - [51] - Quote Removed some troll posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1364	Posted - 2015.03.29 14:28:31 - [52] - Quote And here I thought we'd make it full week without one of this OP's beautifully constructed, reasonable, and worthwhile threads. Whew. Dodged that bullet. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1063	Posted - 2015.03.29 16:30:20 - [53] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:05:05 - [54] - Quote Who cares about remaps. And please, new players (not alts) probably don't even know/use this feature. It only helps older accounts with those pesky LvL 5 books needing completed (obviously by increasing the points to that book's primary and secondary attribute).
Alpheias Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 8474	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:06:41 - [55] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Well, isn't that the purpose of character attributes? To enhance your character's abilities whether you are going for a arcane ranger in D&D or training skill XYZ to 5 in EVE? If character attributes is by your definition a "unneeded level of complexity", I strongly advise you taking some math classes. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:12:27 - [56] - Quote P3ps1 Max wrote: Who cares about remaps. I'd love to have extra bonus remaps to concentrate on skill sets like drones, navigation, leadership, trade, etc. that don't require a year to train. Actually, I'd rather have regular remaps available every 6-12 months instead of 1 year since last remap.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44426	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:42:07 - [57] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? So I guess you would be ok with it, if attributes would be dropped and you could train with same speed as you currently can with a flat point distribution

CCP Darwin C C P C C P Alliance 1291	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:51:07 - [58] - Quote Deacon Abox wrote: It took a while, but his boss probably finally told him, in a non workplace violence appropriate fashion, to STFU Nobody asked me to stop posting, I just felt the discussion had run its course. I normally don't post on matters that don't have to do with art and graphics, but in this instance I'd been talking about these questions with the folks on the team and they were fine with me diving into the forum thread. Anyway, as far as I understand, there's nothing new to add to the Winter CSM minutes on the possibility of changes to or removal of attributes, other than that the game development team did read all the back-and-forth in that earlier thread. And, I can't really offer you any insight into the additional remap question. CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins

Orlacc 853	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:56:23 - [59] - Quote Nicolai Serkanner wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Just happened. All new toons start with FOUR (4) Bonus remaps IN ADDition to the 1 timed one. So go make a new toon, see you have FIVE (5) remaps avaliable. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30lqrk/psa_new_characters_now_have_4_bonus_1_timed_remap/ Y u gonna be mad??? Umm p-sure this means the whole "attribute removal" thing is out the window Also Im young, Y dont i get 2 extra remaps???? Also, ccp y u just secretly add stuff like this to the game without any info/blog/freakjng anything about it?? Seriosuly i shouldnt have 2 break this news ccp. Go away. OP is the future of EVE. A new demographic is upon us. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Lykouleon Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate. 1522	Posted - 2015.03.29 17:57:24 - [60] - Quote I just find that it's ****ing hilarious that this thread was started by someone in an alliance that greatly benefits from pulling in new people. Fake edit: And for Pete's sake, OP: unless you're still kicking it all chill in the parking lot after school on your sweet Moto Razr, you have a full keyboard in front of you and no text limit. Proper. English. I love you Ezwal don't hurt me, please. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 682	Posted - 2015.03.29 18:20:44 - [61] - Quote If CCP removes attributes then all the pedantic, obsessive compulsive, bean counting accountant types might up and quit. That's like 97.68512% of the player base.
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1065	Posted - 2015.03.29 19:21:01 - [62] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? So I guess you would be ok with it, if attributes would be dropped and you could train with same speed as you currently can with a flat point distribution That was the point of my post... yes. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Anonymous Forumposter State War Academy Caldari State 203	Posted - 2015.03.29 19:29:36 - [63] - Quote This really just seems like a band aid to help new players while they work on their plan to remove attributes.... I'm not sure why so many people are leaping to conclusions.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 38	Posted - 2015.03.29 20:36:13 - [64] - Quote Anonymous Forumposter wrote: This really just seems like a band aid to help new players while they work on their plan to remove attributes.... I'm not sure why so many people are leaping to conclusions. Um we kinda have to when major changes are implemented and NOONE from CCP bothers to tell us about it, let alone why
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society 486	Posted - 2015.03.29 20:56:08 - [65] - Quote I do not understand what the problem is. I have only ever remapped any alt's when I have major shifts in training goals. On my main that has happened 3 or 4 times on all my other alts combined I have used 1 remap total. If I am a typical long term player I can see how CCP are helping make it easier for a player to invest enough time in their main to be stuck with this drug for ever.
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 336	Posted - 2015.03.29 21:31:06 - [66] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: I do not understand what the problem is. I have only ever remapped any alt's when I have major shifts in training goals. On my main that has happened 3 or 4 times on all my other alts combined I have used 1 remap total. If I am a typical long term player I can see how CCP are helping make it easier for a player to invest enough time in their main to be stuck with this drug for ever. Apparently some people feel that not being able to train at max speed all the time on whatever they want is mean and demands CCP change it. I find Remaps and the Attribute system are for the most part fine. Personally I'd like to see a way to get additional remaps, be it through the NEX Store, or something. Beyond that it works fine. It's risk-reward. Wanna train X group of skills fast? Well then you will be stuck training Y slow, hope you don't need em. Same holds true for implants. Wanna train something fast? Sure, but you can undock and die and lost hundreds of millions of isk in a flash. As for this change, there's no reason for it to be BREAKING NEWS. It's a minor change, it's happened before, and since it deals with new Peeps and not vets, they don't need to RUSH to make a devblog about it because it doesn't actually affect us. I like the change, opens up more options early on. That said most of my toons still have their bonus remaps from the beginning, including this one. But I also know how to schedule my training and don't mind being locked into one remap for a year..
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1575	Posted - 2015.03.29 22:10:52 - [67] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? Exactly. Was it too complex for you? Personally i have chosen for myself to get learning skills to 4/4 and never bothered after that. And i don't cry and whine to CCP. That was MY CHOICE and MY STRATEGY. It's like kiting fit vs brawling, or rails vs blasters. Planning and strategy. But somehow it appeared 'too complex' for 'above average aged amateur players' of Eve The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44440	Posted - 2015.03.29 22:23:00 - [68] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Hengle Teron wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Should've just removed attributes entirely. They add literally nothing to the game except for an unneeded level of complexity to make the game seem hard. They give you a choice. You can either learn skills faster and be limited to only a certain area of skills, or learn bit slower and learn any skill. Just like the choice of training learning skills and gaining SP at a faster rate, or not training these skills and gaining it slower, right? So I guess you would be ok with it, if attributes would be dropped and you could train with same speed as you currently can with a flat point distribution That was the point of my post... yes. So you should be happy now to train with flat point distribution and let those who want to specialize their training, do so.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2682	Posted - 2015.03.29 23:27:02 - [69] - Quote Gonna admit: I don't care.
Halatosi Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.03.29 23:43:11 - [70] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Just happened. All new toons start with FOUR (4) Bonus remaps IN ADDition to the 1 timed one. So go make a new toon, see you have FIVE (5) remaps avaliable. http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/30lqrk/psa_new_characters_now_have_4_bonus_1_timed_remap/ Y u gonna be mad??? Umm p-sure this means the whole "attribute removal" thing is out the window Also Im young, Y dont i get 2 extra remaps???? Also, ccp y u just secretly add stuff like this to the game without any info/blog/freakjng anything about it?? Seriosuly i shouldnt have 2 break this news ccp. Your typing makes me want to punch infants.
Natalia Abre-Kai 7	Posted - 2015.03.30 06:55:44 - [71] - Quote Mad-O-Meter is at zero, sorry.
Klaus Tylar Tylar United Freight 5	Posted - 2015.03.30 07:11:11 - [72] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Anonymous Forumposter wrote: This really just seems like a band aid to help new players while they work on their plan to remove attributes.... I'm not sure why so many people are leaping to conclusions. Um we kinda have to when major changes are implemented and NOONE from CCP bothers to tell us about it, let alone why Adding one more remap is a /major/ change? Really now? Are you sure you don't mean minor? Because if you had enough initiative to properly plan out use of three remaps, adding an additional one for other people shouldn't inconvenience you much at all.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.30 08:20:01 - [73] - Quote I made my main about 4 month ago. I had a bad rework because I didn't know better and when I learned that I ****** up CCP told me I was too late to petition a reimbursement. Now I'm stuck with 1 bonus rework, while characters that are newly created have 4. What makes those new players different from me? How do they deserve more of something gamechanging as the reworks? 2 extra rework are super helpful, the more the newer your are and don't even try to argue against that. So yeah, I am pretty pissed. It effects the skill progression of my main greatly and gives lots of players way more freedom. Changed my view on CCP a good deal.
Tajic Kaundur Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 63	Posted - 2015.03.30 08:34:05 - [74] - Quote restore the bonus remaps to what they were, reduce the absurdly long timed remap timer to 3-6 months, problem solved beyond me why it's still a year, that's just flat out ridiculous
Memphis Baas 271	Posted - 2015.03.30 10:32:08 - [75] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: It effects the skill progression of my main greatly and gives lots of players way more freedom. Changed my view on CCP a good deal. So, choice: restart now and get the extra remaps, or keep your 6 million SP's. If you have cash (or PLEX), you can buy one of the Genolution boosters that gives you double training time for a week or two, for the new character with the extra remaps. Maybe also be able to sell your current character for a billion or two.
Mizhir Matari Exodus 74181	Posted - 2015.03.30 10:32:49 - [76] - Quote I'm not mad and I want my 10 seconds back One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Darren Airtex Born Imperialism 15	Posted - 2015.03.30 12:28:29 - [77] - Quote There is no pleasing some people. CCP does not have to tell everything they do to a player. Suck it up and drive on, if you can not do that, then the only thing I can suggest is find another game to play or buy 51% of the parent company and make the changes that you want.
Sir Constantin 30	Posted - 2015.03.30 13:11:13 - [78] - Quote I don't know the data behind and how often a newbie use the remap feature but I'm fine with this change. Hopefully CCP is not gonna listen the spoiled majority of players who want the game striped down of all its core features just because they think it's too complex. If you don't want to be stuck with a remap then don't do it, chose a balanced remap, you gonna lose maybe a week of training on a year training plan which is nothing if you ask me.
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 513	Posted - 2015.03.30 13:44:01 - [79] - Quote Sniper Smith wrote: I find Remaps and the Attribute system are for the most part fine. Personally I'd like to see a way to get additional remaps, be it through the NEX Store. I think that's actually a brilliant idea and with that price of a say dual training it shouldn't be too hard on your wallet while still feeling like an investment.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 40	Posted - 2015.03.30 13:59:53 - [80] - Quote Klaus Tylar wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Anonymous Forumposter wrote: This really just seems like a band aid to help new players while they work on their plan to remove attributes.... I'm not sure why so many people are leaping to conclusions. Um we kinda have to when major changes are implemented and NOONE from CCP bothers to tell us about it, let alone why Adding one more remap is a /major/ change? Really now? Are you sure you don't mean minor? Because if you had enough initiative to properly plan out use of three remaps, adding an additional one for other people shouldn't inconvenience you much at all. Can you read? Its 2 (TWO) extra remaps for total of FIVE (5) dude Wow
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 308	Posted - 2015.03.30 14:01:01 - [81] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. No. First of all doesn't everyone care.... so you're wrong. Second does it imply that CCP is just a big bad company out there to hurt feelings. Gee ... wrong again, I guess. Then there's the fact that you are just envious. Anyhow ... I apologise if I sound rude. I didn't know you haven't matured yet. I do hope you leave bittervet status again. Is there no end to your sanctimonious patronising.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.03.30 15:41:12 - [82] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Arment Rinah wrote: It effects the skill progression of my main greatly and gives lots of players way more freedom. Changed my view on CCP a good deal. So, choice: restart now and get the extra remaps, or keep your 6 million SP's. If you have cash (or PLEX), you can buy one of the Genolution boosters that gives you double training time for a week or two, for the new character with the extra remaps. Maybe also be able to sell your current character for a billion or two. Because tossing your first character aside is something you'd just do in a heartbeat... I don't get how you people don't see the issue here. There is literally no reason at all for CCP to not give two bonus remaps to all characters. It is obviously nothing you'd give up your character for, but it sucks and people are legitimately upset. Just because you don't mind it, doesn't mean everyone doesn't mind it. It's a fact, if you're relatively new, say under a year, CCP just ****** you over. And it's definitely a reason to complain.
Darren Airtex Born Imperialism 15	Posted - 2015.03.30 17:27:48 - [83] - Quote How so, I am under a year old here. I got what I paid for. I have no problem with it. Just because something gets changed after I got here does not create a issue. I still got what I paid for. The only issue I see is some people are scared that someone new might get something they did not. I am just waiting on the argument about what a pile of poop smells like. Is someone going to get one sniff more than someone else? Come on people you got what you paid for, you were happy with what you paid for. Now you find out something may or may not change and want to cry and act like you got cheated. It all comes down to, YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44496	Posted - 2015.03.30 17:29:43 - [84] - Quote It's so upsetting, when everything stays the same for you.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 20872	Posted - 2015.03.30 18:25:11 - [85] - Quote Couldn't care less. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Avaelica Kuershin 15	Posted - 2015.03.30 21:40:41 - [86] - Quote Puh Tayto wrote: People are mostly mad that older characters aren't being given the two extra remaps. Tbh, I don't really see why CCP couldn't have done it. I'm not mad though. Mad over a couple of remaps that might save a few days? I'd have thought that after a year, one would have a fairly detailed plan in place.
Coelomate The Suicide Kings Black Legion. 44	Posted - 2015.03.30 22:58:32 - [87] - Quote Can we get an update from the devs on this? People seemed to notice over the weekend so I figured we'd get a comment come Monday. This is a strange thing to stealth into the game... Love, ~Coelomate
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 43	Posted - 2015.03.31 00:13:23 - [88] - Quote Coelomate wrote: Can we get an update from the devs on this? People seemed to notice over the weekend so I figured we'd get a comment come Monday. This is a strange thing to stealth into the game... I broke the news here on the Eve-O forums yet got it from the reddit source. Honestly i bet a dev replies to the reddit thread before gere.... lol they usually do. And some people said its been in game for almost a week so it was early last week, they could has announced before the weekend. Seriosuly ccp you need to provide us with updates when you fiddle with OUR game. And they always say its our game they just provide the tools/sandbox. So we demand updates on changes to OUR game not weeks after said secret stealth major changes get implemented! !
Howard Aideron Pax International 4	Posted - 2015.03.31 00:13:55 - [89] - Quote CCP just give everyone 2 remaps to redeem. People that are happy with what they have do not have to redeem. Problem solved.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8176	Posted - 2015.03.31 00:33:14 - [90] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Coelomate wrote: Can we get an update from the devs on this? People seemed to notice over the weekend so I figured we'd get a comment come Monday. This is a strange thing to stealth into the game... I broke the news here on the Eve-O forums yet got it from the reddit source. Honestly i bet a dev replies to the reddit thread before gere.... lol they usually do. And some people said its been in game for almost a week so it was early last week, they could has announced before the weekend. Seriosuly ccp you need to provide us with updates when you fiddle with OUR game. And they always say its our game they just provide the tools/sandbox. So we demand updates on changes to OUR game not weeks after said secret stealth major changes get implemented! ! Maybe they just figured it just wasn't that big of a deal. Not worth the time to write a release or a dev blog about. And from what I've seen from most of the opinions in this thread, they'd be right in thinking that. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Mag's the united 19207	Posted - 2015.03.31 00:39:55 - [91] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Coelomate wrote: Can we get an update from the devs on this? People seemed to notice over the weekend so I figured we'd get a comment come Monday. This is a strange thing to stealth into the game... I broke the news here on the Eve-O forums yet got it from the reddit source. Honestly i bet a dev replies to the reddit thread before gere.... lol they usually do. And some people said its been in game for almost a week so it was early last week, they could has announced before the weekend. Seriosuly ccp you need to provide us with updates when you fiddle with OUR game. And they always say its our game they just provide the tools/sandbox. So we demand updates on changes to OUR game not weeks after said secret stealth major changes get implemented! ! Yea how dare they give new players more remaps and not let you know. It's an outrage I tell you, an outrage. But it just so happens because it created this thread, meant it was all worth while. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1177	Posted - 2015.03.31 01:52:51 - [92] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Y u ??? p-sure this Y dont i ???? ccp y u Seriosuly i s 2 break ccp. This is why I lost interest in this thread from the very first post. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow. Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Kanine Firestar Armory 0	Posted - 2015.03.31 05:51:48 - [93] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Ivarr Kerensky wrote: I'm happy to see that CCP seems to steer away from "remove choices because :effort:". I don't rally see the need for an extra remap but it's not really that important or game breaking. It IS a bit weird that this was not in any way explained or mentioned somewhere. Why should we be mad about it? Cuz im 4 months old and i want my GD 2 extra bonus rempas too! Seriously quit yer bitchin! You'll get another remap in 365 days. Learn some patience.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie The Scope Gallente Federation 1575	Posted - 2015.03.31 06:16:15 - [94] - Quote I made a mistake and remapped to the wrong attribute for my drones train. Should I get 2 extra remaps? HTFU. New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.03.31 08:01:47 - [95] - Quote So many people here missing the point completely. If you can't get upset about unfair treatment, then there is no hope. Just because it does not affect you, does not mean that nobody is affected.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.03.31 08:28:13 - [96] - Quote Ugh, the HTFU mentality. "Hurr durr look at me I'm a badass EVE gamer, HTFU" Don't pretend remaps aren't a big deal. Because of the nature of attributes and skill training in this game, and because of the scarcity of remaps, not only is it kind of a big deal when bonus remaps are given to some players but not others, but it is very odd that such a thing is not even mentioned in the patch notes. I mean, if they can find the time to tell us they fixed a typo, they can find the time to tell us they are dishing out bonus remaps. I have gone from not being mad about this to slightly mad about this. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have given everyone those two bonus remaps. If you want to be all badass n ****, and wait another year for your remap, feel free to continue to do so if you are ever awarded the remaps. However I'm willing to bet a lot of ISK that most players would be extremely grateful for them.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 35256	Posted - 2015.03.31 08:31:36 - [97] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: So many people here missing the point completely. If you can't get upset about unfair treatment, then there is no hope. Just because it does not affect you, does not mean that nobody is affected. How was anyone treated unfairly? Read the EULA to begin with. After that, when the rules change, they change. No one has been treated unfairly. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Leannor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 146	Posted - 2015.03.31 08:49:37 - [98] - Quote non event if you ask me ... hope they like the remaps. Makes no difference to my game play. "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 91	Posted - 2015.03.31 09:20:48 - [99] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: I made my main about 4 month ago. I had a bad rework because I didn't know better and when I learned that I ****** up CCP told me I was too late to petition a reimbursement. Now I'm stuck with 1 bonus rework, while characters that are newly created have 4. What makes those new players different from me? How do they deserve more of something gamechanging as the reworks? 2 extra rework are super helpful, the more the newer your are and don't even try to argue against that. So yeah, I am pretty pissed. It effects the skill progression of my main greatly and gives lots of players way more freedom. Changed my view on CCP a good deal. Now you are the only one siding with the OP and you are mad at CCP because you *#'&$-º)& up your character? Noone stops you from creating a new chracter to get the full 4 reworks and party all night about it. I bet you have trained Cybernetics to 5 and bought the implants to further improve the skill progression. You haven't? Then it cant be that important to you.
Ryder 'ook agony unleashed Agony Empire 144	Posted - 2015.03.31 10:00:08 - [100] - Quote I don't care much for the remaps but those tears are delightful! Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.03.31 10:14:17 - [101] - Quote Sequester Risalo wrote: Arment Rinah wrote: I made my main about 4 month ago. I had a bad rework because I didn't know better and when I learned that I ****** up CCP told me I was too late to petition a reimbursement. Now I'm stuck with 1 bonus rework, while characters that are newly created have 4. What makes those new players different from me? How do they deserve more of something gamechanging as the reworks? 2 extra rework are super helpful, the more the newer your are and don't even try to argue against that. So yeah, I am pretty pissed. It effects the skill progression of my main greatly and gives lots of players way more freedom. Changed my view on CCP a good deal. Now you are the only one siding with the OP and you are mad at CCP because you #'&$-º)& up your character? Noone stops you from creating a new chracter to get the full 4 reworks and party all night about it. I bet you have trained Cybernetics to 5 and bought the implants to further improve the skill progression. You haven't? Then it cant be that important to you. 1. I'm always running +4s. As a new character my SPs are limited and I can't just commit two weeks into Cybernetics while I have to get my base skills up. 2. I'm not the only one siding with OP. There are plenty of people pissed about this, the general opinion on Reddit seems to be the opposite of the opinion we have here. 3. Once again you miss the point completely. This thing is not even close to be important enough for me to make a new character about it. Does this mean I can't complain? Does this mean it is fair? Remaps are an essential* part of gameplay, even more so the younger your character is. There is not a single reason to treat some players differently from others. As I said before, if you can't be bothered to complain about a clear disadvantage you've been given, without a reason, then there is no hope for you. Hurr just make a new character if it's so important to you. Take classes on debating if you think this comes even close to being a proper argument.
Ryder 'ook agony unleashed Agony Empire 144	Posted - 2015.03.31 10:23:22 - [102] - Quote wtb tear jars... CCP troll best troll!!! Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 302	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:08:35 - [103] - Quote All for it if it helps new players. As for me i don't need remaps, no real veteran playing over 8 years should. ......................................................
Leannor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 146	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:24:16 - [104] - Quote Xpaulusx wrote: All for it if it helps new players. As for me i don't need remaps, no real veteran playing over 8 years should. word. "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:35:02 - [105] - Quote Xpaulusx wrote: All for it if it helps new players. As for me i don't need remaps, no real veteran playing over 8 years should. Absolutely. The players that are not quite there need them though.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 65	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:36:31 - [106] - Quote double post. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 65	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:38:06 - [107] - Quote So much envy. You complainers really suck as human beings. Forced education centers really should be a thing. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:50:13 - [108] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: So much envy. You complainers really suck as human beings. Forced education centers really should be a thing. You sheep really suck as human beings. Stop apologizing for CCP and start raising your voice for equal treatment. Accept that just because issues don't affect you, that doesn't mean they're non-issues.
Frank Millar The Scope Gallente Federation 2285	Posted - 2015.03.31 11:51:58 - [109] - Quote : facepalm :
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 619	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:08:05 - [110] - Quote I'm genuinely upset. For years I've had 4 remaps and kept it that way by only changing the attributes once a year. For years my self-imposed restraint made me special. And now... Now everybody that so much as starts to play EVE gets those 4 remaps. Now telling someone I have 4 remaps means I'm a n00b.... Just gimme one CCP. This entire plea unfortunately also demonstrates I don't need bonus-remaps. So I'll live I guess...
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 74	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:19:11 - [111] - Quote I still have 2x bonus remaps to use, i tend to forget that i have them. EVEBoard ...Just over 20million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Klaus Tylar Tylar United Freight 5	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:20:20 - [112] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: Accept that just because issues don't affect you, that doesn't mean they're non-issues. Only if you accept that just because you're unhappy about something doesn't make it a legitimate issue for others.
Daerrol Furtherance. 80	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:40:56 - [113] - Quote O_O There's skill plans out there that are not several years of Perception/Willpower?
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 66	Posted - 2015.03.31 13:51:53 - [114] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: So much envy. You complainers really suck as human beings. Forced education centers really should be a thing. You sheep really suck as human beings. Stop apologizing for CCP and start raising your voice for equal treatment. Accept that just because issues don't affect you, that doesn't mean they're non-issues. No one is apologising. Stop living in a fantasy world where you can filter everything through your beliefs. CCP does not need to apologise for not feeding those who are unhappy with what others get. The issue is not CCP, the issue is people like you. People who want and demand and show envy for those who get something they are not only unaware of, but also not asking for it. That's right. With how you sad lot display yourselves, you get angry at christmas, because of the toys other kids get. It's embarassing. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.03.31 15:02:07 - [115] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: CCP does not need to apologise for not feeding those who are unhappy with what others get. People who want and demand and show envy for those who get something they are not only unaware of, but also not asking for it. That's right. With how you sad lot display yourselves, you get angry at christmas, because of the toys other kids get. It's embarassing. I hate to break this to you, but your opinion is wrong. No one is unhappy that the new players get more remaps, we are unhappy that we don't get the same freedom. Now call it envy, it doesn't matter. Your moral standards however seem way off, if it offends you if people ask for equal treatment. It is definitely not embarrassing to ask for something as essential as reworks, in a game that resolves around SP. This is not real life. I pay for this game and I want to play it in my free time and not worry about it too much. I want however to be treated the same way another paying customer is treated, who started the game just a few month after me. My 20 bucks a month should get me same thing as his 20 bucks a month. There is no arguing to that. EVE is not a one time purchase. Quote: Only if you accept that just because you're unhappy about something doesn't make it a legitimate issue for others. Absolutely true, if people don't care about the issue, they don't have to post. It's not like bonus remaps would hurt the people who don't care though. No one is forcing anyone to be mad, but I have every right to be pissed and express that feeling.
Puh Tayto Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.03.31 15:26:41 - [116] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: I hate to break this to you, but your opinion is wrong. No one is unhappy that the new players get more remaps, we are unhappy that we don't get the same freedom. Now call it envy, it doesn't matter. Your moral standards however seem way off, if it offends you if people ask for equal treatment. It is definitely not embarrassing to ask for something as essential as reworks, in a game that resolves around SP. This is not real life. I pay for this game and I want to play it in my free time and not worry about it too much. I want however to be treated the same way another paying customer is treated, who started the game just a few month after me. My 20 bucks a month should get me same thing as his 20 bucks a month. There is no arguing to that. EVE is not a one time purchase. Indeed. However, unfortunately this forum is a troll's playground, and the usual suspects will try to characterise your quite reasonable point of view as that of a 'crybaby' etc. The responses to this issue on the EVE subreddit are much more balanced, mainly because the people posting in it aren't trying to 'extract tears' for the 'lulz' and are actually behaving like normal people.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:50:14 - [117] - Quote We can all go home now.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 72	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:53:42 - [118] - Quote Arment Rinah wrote: We can all go home now. kek While I am kind of thankfull for this information ... ... you are absolutely not allowed to post this here. In your own interests I suggest removing it again. What he linked (in case he removed it again), was a conversation with customer support, which declared that giving new players 4 remaps is a bug and not intended at all. Children whined about nothing, as usual. Case closed. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Arment Rinah Hedion University Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2015.03.31 16:56:16 - [119] - Quote Well, now that you quoted it, there is no removing anymore.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 44	Posted - 2015.03.31 19:19:16 - [120] - Quote OMG see i knew it as BS haha it was a bug as the link above shows the petition response. Wait!! Do they get to keep those remaps? You gonna take away the noobs bugged 4 bonus remaps??? Is this bug still live?
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4210	Posted - 2015.03.31 19:33:59 - [121] - Quote I removed a reply to an edited out part of the post it quoted and some posts replying to the reply. The Rules: 10. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited. The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, EVE Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including support ticket responses and emails) received from any member of CCP staff.aforementioned parties. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
ACESsiggy XxWinterfellxX 38	Posted - 2015.03.31 20:29:19 - [122] - Quote "IMO" remove attributes and provide SP bonus allocation once a week for players active in the game through mission running, combat anoms, FW combat, etc etc. Small amount of course but nothing more than the current modified max attribute with implant(s). GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
Mara Villoso Long Jump. 107	Posted - 2015.03.31 20:47:58 - [123] - Quote So existing accounts don't get an extra bonus remap? That's disappointing.
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 340	Posted - 2015.03.31 20:49:47 - [124] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: "IMO" remove attributes and provide SP bonus allocation once a week for players active in the game through mission running, combat anoms, FW combat, etc etc. Small amount of course but nothing more than the current modified max attribute with implant(s). Sort of like experience points?
Serene Repose 2527	Posted - 2015.04.01 00:45:49 - [125] - Quote CCP Darwin wrote: ... the game development team did read all the back-and-forth in that earlier thread.... And, they survived? Miraculous!! I do hope the company covered their mental recalibration and possible IQ point loss. It can be dangerous reading threads in GD. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8200	Posted - 2015.04.01 01:54:51 - [126] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: CCP Darwin wrote: ... the game development team did read all the back-and-forth in that earlier thread.... And, they survived? Miraculous!! I do hope the company covered their mental recalibration and possible IQ point loss. It can be dangerous reading threads in GD. I read that thread and then I 'it meself in teh 'ead wiff a brick. Very dangerous indeed. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
ACESsiggy XxWinterfellxX 38	Posted - 2015.04.01 05:29:15 - [127] - Quote Harrison Tato wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: "IMO" remove attributes and provide SP bonus allocation once a week for players active in the game through mission running, combat anoms, FW combat, etc etc. Small amount of course but nothing more than the current modified max attribute with implant(s). Sort of like experience points? I guess we can use warping to 0 versus autopilot for an example. Taking both under consideration the time for any player using warp to zero will arrive at their destination faster than the other person AFK using autopilot. Obviously rewarding the person with user input. GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 767	Posted - 2015.04.01 06:33:27 - [128] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: So much envy. You complainers really suck as human beings. Forced education centers really should be a thing. They are a thing. It's called school.
Yossarian Toralen M and M Enterpises 20	Posted - 2015.04.01 06:47:24 - [129] - Quote While the OP is a terrible example on how to bring attention to a topic. Is it that hard for CCP to give everyone the same amount bonus remaps? There may be an actual reason for not adding the remaps to everyones account, but the lack of notice/explanation on CCP's part seems to diplay a bit of contempt for the playerbase. It looks as if they thought the players wouldn't notice or don't care if they did. I'm not bothered by this particular change to new toons but I can understand why people would be.
Klaus Tylar Tylar United Freight 6	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:15:02 - [130] - Quote Yossarian Toralen wrote: the lack of notice/explanation on CCP's part seems to diplay a bit of contempt for the playerbase. It looks as if they thought the players wouldn't notice or don't care if they did. I'm not bothered by this particular change to new toons but I can understand why people would be. CCP has actually clarified that it was an error, and unintentional. This thread is just choosing to ignore that. "I had to remove some of the hydraulics, half the toilets, and most of the air-conditioning... But at least you guys will be safe!" - Fruid, Mechanic/Janitor
Mag's the united 19210	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:19:57 - [131] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Harrison Tato wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: "IMO" remove attributes and provide SP bonus allocation once a week for players active in the game through mission running, combat anoms, FW combat, etc etc. Small amount of course but nothing more than the current modified max attribute with implant(s). Sort of like experience points? I guess we can use warping to 0 versus autopilot for an example. Taking both under consideration the time for any player using warp to zero will arrive at their destination faster than the other person AFK using autopilot. Obviously rewarding the person with user input. Two things. Firstly Eve did have something like this at one time, it was abused. It would be again, no doubt. Secondly, hell no. We do not need or want, grind mechanics added to Eve. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Yossarian Toralen M and M Enterpises 21	Posted - 2015.04.01 07:25:11 - [132] - Quote Klaus Tylar wrote: CCP has actually clarified that it was an error, and unintentional. This thread is just choosing to ignore that. Thanks, where do you find information like that?
ACESsiggy XxWinterfellxX 38	Posted - 2015.04.01 08:09:31 - [133] - Quote Mag's wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: Harrison Tato wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: "IMO" remove attributes and provide SP bonus allocation once a week for players active in the game through mission running, combat anoms, FW combat, etc etc. Small amount of course but nothing more than the current modified max attribute with implant(s). Sort of like experience points? I guess we can use warping to 0 versus autopilot for an example. Taking both under consideration the time for any player using warp to zero will arrive at their destination faster than the other person AFK using autopilot. Obviously rewarding the person with user input. Two things. Firstly Eve did have something like this at one time, it was abused. It would be again, no doubt. Secondly, hell no. We do not need or want, grind mechanics added to Eve. Thirsty, what isn't abused in EVE. Maybe it depends on how it's implemented. Sex'ondly, right because who wants grind when majority of isk making is passive from PI, Moon gue, to Custom's offices, and even Research. Please no more grind! GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 45	Posted - 2015.04.01 09:08:11 - [134] - Quote Yossarian Toralen wrote: Klaus Tylar wrote: CCP has actually clarified that it was an error, and unintentional. This thread is just choosing to ignore that. Thanks, where do you find information like that? Go to eve-search.com thats Chribbas forum mirroring site. It has these forums withoit the edited mods etc.... You will find a few posts in this thread of a dude that had a couple little birdies tell him some people goofed up. Yet how you randomly one day accidently type a 4 into a spot that shouldnt even be being messed with and currently contained a 2 makes no sense... yet go to chribbas site and learn. Also, if ccp/mods would just admit what the birdies told the dude this thread would be over/the day saved/everything back to nomral. Yet bindly automatic adherence to archaic rules without thought or analysis must be good i guess. Go to chribas evesearch dude. Or reddit. Or devs twitter lol or failheap challange forums. Hmm wait fo anywhere that doesnt have these mods i guess. Hmmm pattern? Lol. Fasists?
malcovas Henderson THoF 355	Posted - 2015.04.01 10:34:31 - [135] - Quote The mind boggles. The amount of Jealousy and waa waa in this thread is beyond comical. Seriously. it is a ******* game you are crying over. Think about this just for a moment. Pixels. not real. Fictional. a GAME. Do you seriously go to your mommy, and waa waa to her because little Timmy has received something, and you didn't? You guys are pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. You should be totally ashamed of yourselves.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 89	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:07:38 - [136] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: So much envy. You complainers really suck as human beings. Forced education centers really should be a thing. They are a thing. It's called school. Yeah but I meant one that teaches people how to mature into reasonable adults, not self entitled, envious children. We have enough of these already and they drag humanity down. It's funny how those who aren't whining and bitching are being called trolls. Reality really is hard to grasp when it reaches beyond one's own nose. "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 89	Posted - 2015.04.01 11:10:30 - [137] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: The mind boggles. The amount of Jealousy and waa waa in this thread is beyond comical. Seriously. it is a ******* game you are crying over. Think about this just for a moment. Pixels. not real. Fictional. a GAME. Do you seriously go to your mommy, and waa waa to her because little Timmy has received something, and you didn't? You guys are pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. You should be totally ashamed of yourselves. It's everything for them, because they have nothing else. And most likely they did. Why would they now, if they haven't in the past? Exactly. Hi malc. Long time no see! "Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
Frank Millar The Scope Gallente Federation 2287	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:13:33 - [138] - Quote So, basically, all is well again and nothing really changed. I still ain't slightly mad. The frothing at the mouth in this thread is a sign of the times in the current, "western" world mentality of "I want it all and I want it now". It's puke-worthy.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 45	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:38:13 - [139] - Quote Frank Millar wrote: So, basically, all is well again and nothing really changed. I still ain't slightly mad. The frothing at the mouth in this thread is a sign of the times in the current, "western" world mentality of "I want it all and I want it now". It's puke-worthy. But you approve of the Draconian Obama-like conplete silence from those in power? The world of secrets and hipocracy? The Man of power yet silent and hidden?
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44616	Posted - 2015.04.01 12:59:19 - [140] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: So much envy. You complainers really suck as human beings. Forced education centers really should be a thing. They are a thing. It's called school. Yeah but I meant one that teaches people how to mature into reasonable adults, not self entitled, envious children. We have enough of these already and they drag humanity down. It's funny how those who aren't whining and bitching are being called trolls. Reality really is hard to grasp when it reaches beyond one's own nose. That's what you get when you create untouchable children, when you take away from the teachers and parents every mean of disciplining. You get children thinking they have right to everything and responsibility for nothing.
malcovas Henderson THoF 356	Posted - 2015.04.01 13:51:10 - [141] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: malcovas Henderson wrote: The mind boggles. The amount of Jealousy and waa waa in this thread is beyond comical. Seriously. it is a ******* game you are crying over. Think about this just for a moment. Pixels. not real. Fictional. a GAME. Do you seriously go to your mommy, and waa waa to her because little Timmy has received something, and you didn't? You guys are pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. You should be totally ashamed of yourselves. It's everything for them, because they have nothing else. And most likely they did. Why would they now, if they haven't in the past? Exactly. Hi malc. Long time no see! I still look out for you when I am in HEK. , but I know you are probably busy "educating" the foolish, relieving them of the need to go to a trade hub elsewhere
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44618	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:15:04 - [142] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: [ I still look out for you when I am in HEK. , but I know you are probably busy "educating" the foolish, relieving them of the need to go to a trade hub elsewhere Nah, Sol has left her post and now Hekians are running rampant.
Klaus Tylar Tylar United Freight 7	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:22:47 - [143] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: malcovas Henderson wrote: [ I still look out for you when I am in HEK. , but I know you are probably busy "educating" the foolish, relieving them of the need to go to a trade hub elsewhere Nah, Sol has left her post and now Hekians are running rampant. Huh. I always thought they were called Hekkites. "I had to remove some of the hydraulics, half the toilets, and most of the air-conditioning... But at least you guys will be safe!" - Fruid, Mechanic/Janitor
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1653	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:40:06 - [144] - Quote Fun fact, this is a good case of Malcanis' law once again.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 100	Posted - 2015.04.01 14:45:30 - [145] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I'm now officially a bittervet, since I got discomfort from reading this. I mean, those two remaps would really help me out, but now I'm stuck training things I'm not really going to use for the next 7 months or so. I knew this day would come, the day where I'm still new enough to the game that changes aimed towards new players would be very good for me, yet I'd have played for long enough that I'd be exempt from receiving these benefits. Tisk tisk. You know what would be completely unnecessary, but actually really good crowd control? Everyone receives a free remap ... FOR FREE! ;) Personally I'd totally be against this, because we shouldn't acknowledge whining with a present ... ... but that's just my personal opinion. It'd be a good way to control the crowd. Nope cuz i want 2 (TWO) free ones. They get 2 free 1s, i demand 2 free 1s!!! T WO entitled pr*ck is entitled. Just Add Water
malcovas Henderson THoF 356	Posted - 2015.04.01 16:51:28 - [146] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: malcovas Henderson wrote: [ I still look out for you when I am in HEK. , but I know you are probably busy "educating" the foolish, relieving them of the need to go to a trade hub elsewhere Nah, Sol has left her post and now Hekians are running rampant. I look out for you too. but alas! you also appear to be otherwise engaged in "The education" of the foolish, elsewhere
Lord Battlestar Faulcon de Lazy 211	Posted - 2015.04.01 19:44:18 - [147] - Quote I personally don't care if they get extra remaps. You still have to know what you are doing with them to make them effective. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Kharamete Royal Assent 127	Posted - 2015.04.03 01:10:32 - [148] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant ** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. As someone who has played this game since 2007, you have yet to reach a full appreciation for what 'being screwed by CCP' actually means. But wait, young padawan, one day you too will know... CCP FoxFour:** "... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB." My little youtube videos can be found here
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2790	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:33:58 - [149] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Ivarr Kerensky wrote: I'm happy to see that CCP seems to steer away from "remove choices because :effort:". I don't rally see the need for an extra remap but it's not really that important or game breaking. It IS a bit weird that this was not in any way explained or mentioned somewhere. Why should we be mad about it? Cuz im 4 months old and i want my GD 2 extra bonus rempas too! When i was 4 months old i didn't have a remap yet i wasn't complaining when you did. When i started the game i did not have as much SP as when you started yet i wasn't complaining when you got that. I could go on here , but it comes down to this : you're one spoiled selfish little kid . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8262	Posted - 2015.04.03 13:46:26 - [150] - Quote Kharamete wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. As someone who has played this game since 2007, you have yet to reach a full appreciation for what 'being screwed by CCP' actually means. But wait, young padawan, one day you too will know... As a player who's been here since 2006 I something, something harder than you something. Next! Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Frank Millar The Scope Gallente Federation 2292	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:29:37 - [151] - Quote Everyone is still mad? Noice.
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 9	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:45:55 - [152] - Quote flakeys wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Ivarr Kerensky wrote: I'm happy to see that CCP seems to steer away from "remove choices because :effort:". I don't rally see the need for an extra remap but it's not really that important or game breaking. It IS a bit weird that this was not in any way explained or mentioned somewhere. Why should we be mad about it? Cuz im 4 months old and i want my GD 2 extra bonus rempas too! When i was 4 months old i didn't have a remap yet i wasn't complaining when you did. When i started the game i did not have as much SP as when you started yet i wasn't complaining when you got that. I could go on here , but it comes down to this : you're one spoiled selfish little kid . Well said.
Klaus Tylar Tylar United Freight 18	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:55:34 - [153] - Quote This thread is still a thing? Huh.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2790	Posted - 2015.04.03 18:42:01 - [154] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Kharamete wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. As someone who has played this game since 2007, you have yet to reach a full appreciation for what 'being screwed by CCP' actually means. But wait, young padawan, one day you too will know... As a player who's been here since 2006 I something, something harder than you something. Next! Mr Epeen As a 2004 player , something something HITTING A BRICK WALL .... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Decaneos Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 129	Posted - 2015.04.04 00:40:49 - [155] - Quote What i never understood is why you only get a remap a year AFTER you have used one, it really should be 1 a year every year regardless of if you use it or not.
Black Panpher Ganja Inc 2987	Posted - 2015.04.04 01:44:06 - [156] - Quote I would like free remaps plx :( Edit: Thinking about it, being able to remap freely would give me a reason to actually log in now we have unlimited skill queue! Kappa
Vertiggo Andumi 20th Legion Mordus Angels 3	Posted - 2015.04.08 18:00:00 - [157] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: The mind boggles. The amount of Jealousy and waa waa in this thread is beyond comical. Seriously. it is a ******* game you are crying over. Think about this just for a moment. Pixels. not real. Fictional. a GAME. Do you seriously go to your mommy, and waa waa to her because little Timmy has received something, and you didn't? You guys are pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. You should be totally ashamed of yourselves. I won't stop you from calling the wahmbulance, it's a bit crazy up in here, but let's be fair. Those pixels cost real money. Optimizing your skill training produces 38% more skill points per hour than not, and when you consider that over the space of a year the needs of your corp or your preferred activities could put you 138 days behind the guy whose attributes are optimized, in one sense you've wasted $30-$40. After all it will take you more time and more actual money to get where you want to be in EVE, and that's not just fictional pixels.
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate 430	Posted - 2015.04.08 18:30:08 - [158] - Quote flakeys wrote: When i was 4 months old i didn't have a remap yet i wasn't complaining when you did. When i started the game i did not have as much SP as when you started yet i wasn't complaining when you got that. No remap, not much SP? You were lucky! When I were a lad we had no attributes, implants took away SPs and we had to mine our own skill books in a Kestrel etc etc Fear God and Thread Nought
Epic Name Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.08 21:30:08 - [159] - Quote Don't care I never use remaps anyway it's useless to me.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 998	Posted - 2015.04.08 22:52:24 - [160] - Quote Epic Name wrote: Don't care I never use remaps anyway it's useless to me. Epic name, no kidding! That blows even my meta-meter! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Zachary Taylor Yoyodyne corporation 3	Posted - 2015.04.11 01:19:11 - [161] - Quote Howard Aideron wrote: CCP just give everyone 2 remaps to redeem minus the new characters getting 5 remaps. People that are happy with what they have do not have to redeem. I like this idea.
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 785	Posted - 2015.04.11 08:26:02 - [162] - Quote Kharamete wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. As someone who has played this game since 2007, you have yet to reach a full appreciation for what 'being screwed by CCP' actually means. But wait, young padawan, one day you too will know... I was a capital pilot almost a year before Phoebe. This isn't a contest, anyway.
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 304	Posted - 2015.04.11 10:06:59 - [163] - Quote Lord Battlestar wrote: I personally don't care if they get extra remaps. You still have to know what you are doing with them to make them effective. ......and that is the whole point behind it, because new players do make mistakes. ......................................................
JC Anderson State Protectorate Caldari State 1233	Posted - 2015.04.11 10:19:35 - [164] - Quote Been playing since late 2005. Not mad and in all honesty I really don't see why anybody else would be either.
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous 34834	Posted - 2015.04.12 07:46:32 - [165] - Quote Kharamete wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, this is just a giant **** you from CCP to everyone that has been playing since 2011-2012 or so. As someone who's been playing since 2011: Meh. Whatever. We've been screwed over on several other fronts, this one is relatively mild in comparison. As someone who has played this game since 2007, you have yet to reach a full appreciation for what 'being screwed by CCP' actually means. But wait, young padawan, one day you too will know... who else remembers how skill training was before Apocrypha? Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight! I am a cat.
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous 34834	Posted - 2015.04.12 07:48:16 - [166] - Quote Black Panpher wrote: I would like free remaps plx :( Edit: Thinking about it, being able to remap freely would give me a reason to actually log in now we have unlimited skill queue! Kappa I have a new idea for the Destination SkillQueue guy: Destination NeuralRemap! Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight! I am a cat.
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 228	Posted - 2015.04.12 13:32:08 - [167] - Quote Just get rid of the attributes already. They made sense back before the neural remaps were introduced, now they are just an annoyance. Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold

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