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Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim McGregor The most embarrassing thing is that any 8 slot battleship (Apoc etc) has higher alpha than the Tempests 6 guns with dmg bonus... And yeah, to me, the Maelstrom looks like its going to sit at gates, tanking sentries, while killing people with autocannons. I dont really see it as a mission runner either... just compare the dps of artillery with t2 torpedoes. :p That DPS figure is a bit skewed when you only look at graphs. You end up losing alot of it to wasted torps, either from overkill on a target, or popping a target unexpectedly bescause it suddenly engages mwd after you've already fired another salvo. Arty ends up much better than people give it credit for. J.A.F.O.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:06:00 - [32] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 16:06:34 Originally by: Tyler Lowe That DPS figure is a bit skewed when you only look at graphs. You end up losing alot of it to wasted torps, either from overkill on a target, or popping a target unexpectedly bescause it suddenly engages mwd after you've already fired another salvo. Arty ends up much better than people give it credit for. Yeah, thats true. I use the Muninn for level 3's and its simply fantastic for it. So maybe the Maelstrom will be better than Im expecting. I will have to try. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nervar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:16:00 - [33] 8x 800mm t2 loaded with t2 ammo xlarge booster, amp, thermal and em hardners t2, t2 invuln and a cap injector 3x damage mods 2x tracking mods Recruitment post
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:26:00 - [34] For me it Seems odd to have a ship has the same role as another. Fleet battles arent the most comon things these days (thx to lag) and when it comes down to it why use a ship that only performs well in fleets when another can do the same and also double as a close range ship? The bonuses r somewhat odd for being a fleet ship as well. ROF should be changed in favor of dmg bonus and the shield boost for either one of these: 5% resistances 5% shield hp or something along those lines. or perhaps a falloff or optimal bonus. my favorite being tracking tbh. BTW those set ups posted seem nice on paper, but dont you think that w/o a web or even a speed mod you can catch anything? even camping w AC needs at least a web if not your prey may warp before you kill it unless ofc its a shuttle. And dont forget the hp bonuses which ofc will factor into this. TUX please consider changing the bonuses for this ship plz otherwise ill just have a meal for collectors purpose while my tempest keeps fighting.
Octavio Santillian	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Nervar 8x 800mm t2 loaded with t2 ammo xlarge booster, amp, thermal and em hardners t2, t2 invuln and a cap injector 3x damage mods 2x tracking mods So, you have a dedicated tackler? Hope so. ôWeÆre not doing for ISK...........WeÆre doing it for a ****load of ISK!ö
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 24/10/2006 14:25:25 Do you know the Rokh and Maelstorm are unidentical mirrors? I think Tux purposely make them almost identical to shut up Caldari/Minmatar whiners. Both have same structure, armour and slot layout. Maelstorm has better grid than Rokh. Rokh has smallest drone bay, 50m3? and you know that arty and 425mm are not almost identical weapons? :P and even 5% to res and 7.5% to shield boost are not almost identical tank bonuses even the target range is not that identical... expecially when you start to facto skills and boosts mmmmm maybe the ships have a similar "developement" philosophy but are quite umbalanced because caldary get many "almost identical" better side of stuff?
Jonay 3B Legio IX Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:01:00 - [37] 6 Med slots and 5 low?...CRAP!, I want 7 med and 4 low.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:03:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 16:06:34 Originally by: Tyler Lowe That DPS figure is a bit skewed when you only look at graphs. You end up losing alot of it to wasted torps, either from overkill on a target, or popping a target unexpectedly bescause it suddenly engages mwd after you've already fired another salvo. Arty ends up much better than people give it credit for. Yeah, thats true. I use the Muninn for level 3's and its simply fantastic for it. So maybe the Maelstrom will be better than Im expecting. I will have to try. mael better mission runner than a phoon? better tank (but a phoon can alredy afk tank almost all lv4) but lower dps... less versatility against smaller target... and 8 650 or worse 425mm with rof bonus.... good luck with the cargo and ammo expense maybe it will be good for some angel missions but again the phoon alredy perform well even in these situations
ActiveX Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:11:00 - [39] Give the strom a 5% damage bonus and 10% fall off :D ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
Nervar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Octavio Santillian Originally by: Nervar 8x 800mm t2 loaded with t2 ammo xlarge booster, amp, thermal and em hardners t2, t2 invuln and a cap injector 3x damage mods 2x tracking mods So, you have a dedicated tackler? Hope so. indeed i do Recruitment post
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:07:00 - [41] Change it's tanking bonus to +10% shield hit points (and it'll make the games best passive tank, to boot!) - What am I listening to?
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:15:00 - [42] 7.5% to large projectile tracking? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:18:00 - [43] Originally by: keepiru 7.5% to large projectile tracking? 7,5% to shield hp Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Ath Amon on 24/10/2006 18:22:14 is 10% to shield hp not 7.5% even if maybe it will be umbalanced with such low base shield recharge rate
VekkTor Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:31:00 - [45] how many of you have read the dev blog which had told what the maelstrom was gonna be (not a fleet/tackler ownboat)?? can't find it, if anyone here (hardly) did read it link it please
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 16:06:34 Originally by: Tyler Lowe That DPS figure is a bit skewed when you only look at graphs. You end up losing alot of it to wasted torps, either from overkill on a target, or popping a target unexpectedly bescause it suddenly engages mwd after you've already fired another salvo. Arty ends up much better than people give it credit for. Yeah, thats true. I use the Muninn for level 3's and its simply fantastic for it. So maybe the Maelstrom will be better than Im expecting. I will have to try. This is exactly why I would like a tracking bonus on it. Arties with some TCs and the added 37.5% from BS5 work quite well in missions on my Machariel. And if the Maelstrom ain't good for anything else, why not make it good for missions :) (Especially in light of the T2 torp nerf I would love this, and the 5% damage increase in arties will help too). Fleet battles? Pffff, boring pew pew pew boom you don't influence as individual anyway. Leave that the the Tempy... --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
xaioguai Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Leandro Salazar This is exactly why I would like a tracking bonus on it. Arties with some TCs and the added 37.5% from BS5 work quite well in missions on my Machariel. And if the Maelstrom ain't good for anything else, why not make it good for missions :) (Especially in light of the T2 torp nerf I would love this, and the 5% damage increase in arties will help too). Fleet battles? Pffff, boring pew pew pew boom you don't influence as individual anyway. Leave that the the Tempy... aye.... 7.5% tracking and 5% damage, just like megathrone. or perhap 10% streight damage bonus like claw. maelstorm is clearly an artillery boat, tempest do much better close range anyway.

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