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crice
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Posted - 2003.11.04 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: crice on 04/11/2003 22:36:22
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.11.05 02:40:00 -
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Hey Jade, this is only a game.
Snap out of it already!
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.05 04:10:00 -
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Hey Jade, this is only a game.
Snap out of it already!
*smiles* I know its a game you sweet little man. But you see, I am one of those roleplayers you hear about, and I like to pretend we are actually alliance leaders and strategists planning the clash of fleets and establishment of regional governments in lawless territories ... its called suspension of disbelief.
But I promise you I don't really hate these guys in reality ... there is no danger I will blow up mr Crice's house for being a quisling collaborator in game;)
Love and peace
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.11.05 07:53:00 -
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wtf? who the hell is "Dark Empire" does Jade even know who she is fighting? lol...too funny  thats a corp name you silly muppet! we are the "Forsaken Empire"  so go hump your cows or whatever it is you do out there....
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2003.11.05 09:06:00 -
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wtf? who the hell is "Dark Empire" does Jade even know who she is fighting? lol...too funny thats a corp name you silly muppet! we are the "Forsaken Empire" so go hump your cows or whatever it is you do out there....
Biomass,we know who we are fighting,Hang on,YEH i remember its that fleet of piartes who all ran from venal last weeknd..and looks like you
Flame away...I love these forums you guys are so easy to wind up.
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Retirement closing in .
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Maule
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Posted - 2003.11.05 09:41:00 -
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hehe
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Dontius Tarris
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Posted - 2003.11.05 10:51:00 -
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Unknown ships in Venal:
Venal and the northern regions are closed to non-NVA non Military Ally shipping.
Thank you for listening. Any enquiries or issues please contact me or another council member in-game.
Anyone recall what happend last time Jade gave this order?
Ezekiel, chapter 25:17
: And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
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Thoes who do not learn from History are bound to repeat it!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.05 13:04:00 -
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wtf? who the hell is "Dark Empire" does Jade even know who she is fighting? lol...too
lol its "Dork Empire" you numpty! Biomice and Space Muppets ... everyone knows that ;)
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2003.11.05 14:23:00 -
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...its "Dork Empire" ...
Yes and we are HUGE. 
Open wide Jade! 
EVE-I.com~THE Info source |
Easy Target
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Posted - 2003.11.05 16:09:00 -
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[FRIG] Mercenary Frigates
still hanging on in there.... :-)
Nowt like being carefull againt the big guns is there.. and that my dear is NOWT like being careful against big guns... :-)
Easy Target preparing to rock around the christmas tree....
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Tevel Geikon
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Posted - 2003.11.05 18:47:00 -
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Enemy (Corps) War Status KOS - Engage freely
[10KAD] Crusaders 10000AD
[BM-C] Biomass Cartel
[CRICE] Crice Corporation
[CRUIS] Mercenary Cruisers
[FRIG] Mercenary Frigates
[GHSTS] Eve's Ghsts
[HOOD] Hooded Figures Inc
[JOKER] Jokers Corp
[MOO] MOO
[NOVA] Terra Nova Corp
[PAK] PAK
[RAVEN] Ravens of Valhalla
[SPVD] Space Invaders
[TDG] Tundragon
[TLBC] The Legitimate Businessmans Club
[VALK] Valkyrie Enterprises
[ZOMB] Zombie Inc
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*sigh* Coming home from my vacation from the labs and reading this news after the 'I'm leaving to try out pirating'-mail from WarMech makes me feel so comfy :). I know that I frequently 'research BPs to death' but surely hope this doesn't count against my corp.
Naw.. sarcasm aside. ;)
I think this reaction, despite the obvious security concerns, a bit harsh. I guess with a bit more restricted access, for begining members (meaning applying corps here), to your channels with sensitive informations sure would lessen the potential damage that could be done by fresh members of the NVA. Even with those measures you could never be totally sure of the loyalty of any of the corps that are members of your alliance. As with every corp taking in new members, an alliance takes risks because of the simple fact that you don't know the applicant from the first day on but get to know him over time.
In this case judging a corp by the actions of one of his members, who felt the itch in his palms to try out pirating, would be the same as judging every new pilot to the vast reaches of EVE by the actions of one of those scammers that take out corp hangars and disappear to be never seen again - resulting in you never wanting to recruit any new members to one of your corps or even placing them on your KOS list.
In later as in the first case you normally judge the individual and pursue him. This way it is normally done.
As a last comment, I want to make clear, that this was my very personal opinion on that matter.
EVE's GHSTS - Research & Production Division
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Time only exists, so that everything doesn't happen simultaneously.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.05 19:48:00 -
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Tevel Geikon,
Third or fourth time its happened; NVA council is getting heartily sick of it. We blame sloppy recruiting standards and poor man-management of corporations for this kind of thing.
If a corporation wishes to function and be taken seriously it must be extremely protective of its reputation. It is the job of corporate offices to sniff out potential traitors like WarmechMJ before they have the opportunity to turn their coats in battle and cause harm.
If your corporation has neither the time nor the inclination nor the ability to make sure its own house is in order with regard to security risks and moles and traitors etc, then you really had no business applying to join a regional alliance.
WarmechMJ has harmed your reputation greatly.
If you can show us that you have the will and the ability to punish this former employee than the future holds the possibility of negotiation and ammedment of political decisions.
But you need to sort our this problem.
It is not our job to target your traitors to clear your name.
Incidently,
Had this pilot merely quit your corp; avoided the region, and then later joined Biomass or misc pirates to get his kicks ... this matter would not have been viewed so seriously.
Instead he used your corporate name to gain the confidence of our fleet, built relations and trust with our pilots. And then turn his coat at a dramatic moment to join the infamous Hupa in an attempt to ambush and harm NVA interests.
Fortunately Hupa's piloting is as poor as his reputation and taste in allies, and failing to make an impression on the NVA patrol was forced to cowardly log-off in a humiliating effort to save his Raven battleship from a richly deserved annihilation.
But the fact remains ... Eve GHST's allowed this viper WarmechMJ to get into position to harm us, and frankly, dealing with the fallout from his treachery ... is ... your problem.
Love and peace
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.11.05 20:14:00 -
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As for this current political "crisis" with the NVA vs PAK, CRICE and any other "bystander" corporation. I'm sure that the NVA council has some sort of basis for it. One good thing is that they don't back down and concede on these issues unless the NVA is clearly wrong in the matter. I've also noticed that despite endless taunting and ranting from it's foes the NVA tends to be "fairly" level-headed and listens to what people have to say.
On a side note to the NVA and on behalf of my own corporation...
The NVA list has just been changed huh...
I noticed my corp was removed. Me and my men operate out of NVA protected space too often to be removed from the military/industrial list for whatever reason. If the NAP is/is not still in effect then let us know.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.05 20:42:00 -
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Probably an oversight, we were trying to prune the list of mil/industrial allies down to people who actually still needed it and/or wanted to commit aid.
Also bare in mind NVA space is only closed in Venal and northern regions. Its possible to operate in PB/K-Tay/Fade etc with no specific treaty.
If you do need a continuance of the Mil/industrial ally status lets have a chat, we can always use more help in to fight the good fight monsieur ... and the merc budget always needs topping up ;)
Love and peace
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.11.05 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 05/11/2003 20:50:01
Understood... thanks. I'll be in contact.
(Just finished putting the 2nd coat of wax on the old Dominix while at Lai Dai station in Torrinos)
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Tevel Geikon
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Posted - 2003.11.05 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tevel Geikon on 05/11/2003 21:23:36
Dear Jade,
I wholeheartedly agree with you in the opinion that the reputation of a corporation is its most valuable asset and that it must be protected by appropriate means.
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If a corporation wishes to function and be taken seriously it must be extremely protective of its reputation. It is the job of corporate offices to sniff out potential traitors like WarmechMJ before they have the opportunity to turn their coats in battle and cause harm.
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Definitely agreed.
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If your corporation has neither the time nor the inclination nor the ability to make sure its own house is in order with regard to security risks and moles and traitors etc, then you really had no business applying to join a regional alliance.
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Well, I'm a fairly new member to the corp EVE's GHSTS so I'm in no position to evaluate the management departement of it but as my impression goes during my time there (it has been a bit over two weeks now) the management has proven quite capable in leading our corporation. Regarding WarMechMJ I have to say that he joined corp after me so I leave it to you evaluating the time available to assess the characteristical traits and capabilities of an individual (read combat pilot in case of WarMech) especially when you have not much military activity because of the simple fact that we are a mining and production corp.
That our corp has the inclination of keeping its own house in order you can see in the fact that we rejected WarMechMJs 'reapplication' as he seemingly found the pirating life not to his liking.
On one further note I'd like to say that moles, traitors and other risks are exactly that. You can minimize the 'risk' of them getting a foot into your corp but you can't eliminate it.
Imagine for a moment, that WarMechMJ had not decided to join a pirate corp while our application to your alliance was still in progress but say... 3 weeks afterwards (assuming an acceptance here on your part just for the argument). He would have done his job in the alliance the same way as he had in our corp (protecting mining ops from NPC pirates, mining and the like). It would have been the same problem for you identifying him as a pilot who would like to try out pirating just for the fun of it. I think it would be impossible for even you to ell with 100% certaintiy, that there are no moles in your corp or alliance at this very moment, lying low.
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WarmechMJ has harmed your reputation greatly.
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No doubt about that here.
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If you can show us that you have the will and the ability to punish this former employee than the future holds the possibility of negotiation and ammedment of political decisions.
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I think we can savely assume, that we would be very glad to do that. And most likely we would have a good chance on that if he would now lead the life of a solo pirate. Since our corp counts 12 member at this very moment, from whom a few (me included) are not the very skilled battle pilots (I'm a scientist for that matter) it might be a BIT difficult for us to go after him AND his Biomass companions on our very own (since it can safely be assumed, that he won't fly around solo most of the time).
So aside from claiming the good will to clear the reputation of EVE's GHSTS there might be not very much for us to do ALONE (comparing 12 members from EVE's GHSTS to 112 members Biomass Cartel there).
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But you need to sort our this problem.
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Totally agree with you there again.
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It is not our job to target your traitors to clear your name.
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No it is not. But as far as I remember the history of your alliance you always had a formidable way to deal with corps or people who attacked you.
But in this case I can hardly fail to notice that you definitely excluded WarMechMJ from your KOS list, despite his attack on your alliance members, while placing us there. Just out of curiosity I would really like to know why the sudden change of heart?
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Incidently,
Had this pilot merely quit your corp; avoided the region, and then later joined Biomass or misc pirates to get his kicks ... this matter would not have been viewed so seriously.
Instead he used your corporate name to gain the confidence of our fleet,
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But the fact remains ... Eve GHST's allowed this viper WarmechMJ to get into position to harm us, and frankly, dealing with the fallout from his treachery ... is ... your problem.
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As far as I remember the description of the Biomass Cartel on there info, it says that they only recruit by invitation. So my guess in this matter is (as I was on vacation from my lab duties at the time these evens occured) that it might have been a test from Biomass for him to proove that he really meant to join
EVE's GHSTS - Research & Production Division
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Time only exists, so that everything doesn't happen simultaneously.
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Tevel Geikon
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Posted - 2003.11.05 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tevel Geikon on 05/11/2003 21:32:03
Edited by: Tevel Geikon on 05/11/2003 21:29:44
their ranks and the lifestyle of a pirate.
As far as allowing his acts against you goes, that would need knowledge of his plans or actions from our side, which we definitely didn't have. So it is safe to assume that we didn't allow it.
Regarding the consequences of his actions, they definitely are a problem to us, since we, as a starting up corporation simply don't have the means to fight WarMechMJ and his Biomass buddies. And being on your KOS list surely helps us rectify this situaton a lot.
All the best to you Mylady
As always, the above two posts are my very own opinion on that matter
//edit for disclaimer ;)
EVE's GHSTS - Research & Production Division
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Time only exists, so that everything doesn't happen simultaneously.
Albert Einstein |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.05 21:32:00 -
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Tevel, we are in agreement on most issues I think so I will offer clarification on these ones only;
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No it is not. But as far as I remember the history of your alliance you always had a formidable way to deal with corps or people who attacked you.
Rest assured we intend to destroy the Biomass alliance by a multitude of means and strategies.
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But in this case I can hardly fail to notice that you definitely excluded WarMechMJ from your KOS list, despite his attack on your alliance members, while placing us there.
We only maintain personal KOS for corp thieves not war enemies. Since WarmechMJ joined Biomass he is KOS anyway. If he leaves Biomass we will KOS his new corp in all likelihood.
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Just out of curiosity I would really like to know why the sudden change of heart?
I think you will see its not a change of heart.
Love and peace
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Tevel Geikon
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Posted - 2003.11.05 22:02:00 -
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Dear Jade,
since I guess that my CEO will talk with you further about this matter, I just want to be sure about one thing.
Does the KOS status for our corp members apply for every encounter of our ships, the NVA protectorate or just inside NVA territory?
I wish you a good night and until we meet under (hopefully) friendlier conditions,
Tevel
EVE's GHSTS - Research & Production Division
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Time only exists, so that everything doesn't happen simultaneously.
Albert Einstein |
Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.11.05 22:38:00 -
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I agree with lara--calling Jade a hypocrite because of something on the NVA list of Allies & Enemies is like calling Ted Kennedy a Republican because the U.S. Congress is pursuing a generally Republican agenda.
Your attacking of Jade really is getting old. Jade is a PR Rep and a council member. She has always been a vocal leader, but NVA is a democracy.
I know you want the world to believe that NVA is Jade's baby, and that she rules by edict. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jade can generally handle herself in these little flame wars, but I want to set the record straight.
A gripe with NVA policies is a grips against the NVA, and *****ing to Jade about it accomplishes nothing.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.06 03:23:00 -
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 I was the only pilot in Eve's Ghosts who knew he had an invitation to biomass. As i understand a friend of his asked him if he was with NVA, he said no and got an invitation. For the next several hours in the corp channel he was saying things like "Ive been invited to biomass" . No corp directors, or fighters anybody who could do anything about him were online. I could hardly go against him ive lost 5 ships in 2 days, just got a corp osprey. Also i am no diplomat if i should have acted in any other way im sorry.... Take Eve's Ghsts of the KOS list and put me on and ill leave, its more my fault for not mentioning something to a director. I sorry guys... 
My corp can not be help for mine and his irresponsible actions, Eve's Ghsts has always had a hard line against pirates, and declared themselves an anti-pirate corp. Whats wrong with you NVA??? have u know diplomatic skills???? click and click and there dead...
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.11.06 06:20:00 -
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lol.... RP Rep?... OMFG! you can go hump her cows too you guys are the ones making such a big deal about a dammed video game ...for crying out loud guys! ...we go to venal when we are bored . same with when we leave. your size of force has done nothing to change when we do or dont . thats the bottom line . we are the ones who sit here and get you wound up .. so keep up the good work ....BTW Great role playing!!! "gimme an F'n break. haha BTW Jade if you want a real list of allies , lemme know Ill send it to you .. the one I saw is not correct.
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Lara Janoz
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Posted - 2003.11.06 09:53:00 -
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Narayan you realy are showing you age now acting like a 13 year old, and in case you not 13 thats even worse.
yes its only a game to us to but no need to flame becuase we have a differnt view of that same game as you.
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lol.... RP Rep?...
.... so keep up the good work ....BTW Great role playing!!! "gimme an F'n break. haha
Narayan, i wonder, did it just now get tru to you head that jade is a spokes person for the NVA?
well Nrayan i think you should follow the advice in you sig your self.
DONT HATE THE PLAYER, hate the game.
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crice
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Posted - 2003.11.06 15:14:00 -
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Enemy (Corps) War Status KOS - Engage freely
[10KAD] Crusaders 10000AD
[BM-C] Biomass Cartel
[CRICE] Crice Corporation
[CRUIS] Mercenary Cruisers
[FRIG] Mercenary Frigates
[GHSTS] Eve's Ghsts
[HOOD] Hooded Figures Inc
[JOKER] Jokers Corp
[MOO] MOO
[NOVA] Terra Nova Corp
[PAK] PAK
[RAVEN] Ravens of Valhalla
[SPVD] Space Invaders
[TDG] Tundragon
[TLBC] The Legitimate Businessmans Club
[VALK] Valkyrie Enterprises
[ZOMB] Zombie Inc
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*sigh* Coming home from my vacation from the labs and reading this news after the 'I'm leaving to try out pirating'-mail from WarMech makes me feel so comfy :). I know that I frequently 'research BPs to death' but surely hope this doesn't count against my corp.
Naw.. sarcasm aside. ;)
I think this reaction, despite the obvious security concerns, a bit harsh. I guess with a bit more restricted access, for begining members (meaning applying corps here), to your channels with sensitive informations sure would lessen the potential damage that could be done by fresh members of the NVA. Even with those measures you could never be totally sure of the loyalty of any of the corps that are members of your alliance. As with every corp taking in new members, an alliance takes risks because of the simple fact that you don't know the applicant from the first day on but get to know him over time.
In this case judging a corp by the actions of one of his members, who felt the itch in his palms to try out pirating, would be the same as judging every new pilot to the vast reaches of EVE by the actions of one of those scammers that take out corp hangars and disappear to be never seen again - resulting in you never wanting to recruit any new members to one of your corps or even placing them on your KOS list.
In later as in the first case you normally judge the individual and pursue him. This way it is normally done.
As a last comment, I want to make clear, that this was my very personal opinion on that matter.
ATTENTION: Anyone of those Kicked from NVA and would like to join a corp that IS NOT A PIRATE corp, apply to Crice Corp. We back our words with action!! We have 95 offices throughout EVE, so just tell me where you are and we will get you signed up. Sorry we didn't get any offices in Venal when we were there. We will look again this weekend.
DOWN WITH THE MARXI's theories of NVA!!!!!
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crice
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Posted - 2003.11.06 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 05/11/2003 20:50:01
Understood... thanks. I'll be in contact.
(Just finished putting the 2nd coat of wax on the old Dominix while at Lai Dai station in Torrinos)
LOL. That was a funny picture....
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crice
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Posted - 2003.11.06 15:21:00 -
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I agree with lara--calling Jade a hypocrite because of something on the NVA list of Allies & Enemies is like calling Ted Kennedy a Republican because the U.S. Congress is pursuing a generally Republican agenda.
Your attacking of Jade really is getting old. Jade is a PR Rep and a council member. She has always been a vocal leader, but NVA is a democracy.
I know you want the world to believe that NVA is Jade's baby, and that she rules by edict. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jade can generally handle herself in these little flame wars, but I want to set the record straight.
A gripe with NVA policies is a grips against the NVA, and *****ing to Jade about it accomplishes nothing.
SO who is in charge of the NVA?
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2003.11.06 15:51:00 -
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DIE NVA DIE DIE!!!!
flameaway
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.11.06 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 06/11/2003 16:22:58
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Your attacking of Jade really is getting old. Jade is a PR Rep and a council member. She has always been a vocal leader, but NVA is a democracy.
SO who is in charge of the NVA?
Evidently, the word "democracy" failed to conjure an accurate image for you.
How about "confederacy?" Each corp has reps on NVA council. The corps have as much autonomy as possible. Most of us prefer not to think about the NVA if we don't have to (unlike Biomass, who seem to have an irrational obsession with us and our spokeperson.) NVA is a mutual support mechanism. We do things as they are necessary. The CEO's and their appointed reps run the show.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2003.11.06 16:31:00 -
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the obsession is we enjoy killing you =)
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.11.06 16:55:00 -
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The NVA and mutual support .. ha ha ha
Opps there goes another Corporation kicked 
Mongo speaks !!
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