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NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Swiftness You need a new rank 12 skill trained to lvl 5 in order to use the voice comms I spit out my beer! Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then? Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place
Fuujin HDY Research Labs	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:40:00 - [62] loving it _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
Bane Lord VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:04:00 - [63] Actually... I clearly recall, either from the latest Dev chat, or one of the Blogs/Posts. Kali2 is supposed to bring a huge new interface to merge the seamless galaxy map with gang controll... I can see it now.. The FC's sitting in a safe, sending warp commands to a team of 20 Blaster Megas to warp right into the middle of the enemy force, which is already engaged in a sniper duel with the rest of the fleet, mean while, watching the Dreads put the final blows on the target POS. drool Plus, if its REALLY that big of a hardship, you think any major PvP force could sc*****together the 100M isk a month to start a pure Charisma alt to train everything to lv5, and just share this one alt for fleets... Also, in all practical applications, it takes about 7-9 days to train leadership up to level 5.... and bam, 90% of your fleet activity is covered.. plus Leadership is ALREADY seeded on TQ, you got over a month to get it trained - if it's really going to be such a burden! OMG! It's teh Bane!
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Rafein Edited by: Rafein on 24/10/2006 16:58:15 and Charisma Primary. OMG, Charisma Love Yay that charisma might finally be worth something after 3.5 years ..... :/ ***** intaki bull** D: The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:08:00 - [65] Originally by: Bane Lord I can see it now.. The FC's sitting in a safe, sending warp commands to a team of 20 Blaster Megas to warp right into the middle of the enemy force, which is already engaged in a sniper duel with the rest of the fleet, mean while, watching the Dreads put the final blows on the target POS. drool Some FPS games have tried this, its always interesting to see how its implimented. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Bane Lord VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Bane Lord I can see it now.. The FC's sitting in a safe, sending warp commands to a team of 20 Blaster Megas to warp right into the middle of the enemy force, which is already engaged in a sniper duel with the rest of the fleet, mean while, watching the Dreads put the final blows on the target POS. drool Some FPS games have tried this, its always interesting to see how its implimented. You ever play that game... uhm... Savage... that's it... was a pretty under the radar release.. and wasnt that great of a FPS... but the seamless intergration of the commander/soldier role was spot on. I can only have wet dreams of EVE's potential with such a system... then.. then... it could be applied to carebearing.. running HUGE carebear ops... uhm.. i need to change my pants.. bbl OMG! It's teh Bane!
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:13:00 - [67] Didnn't play that one no. Battlefield allowed this in a limited way I think. I assume BF2 improved it. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:25:00 - [68] Originally by: SasRipper PRIMARY: EVERY INTAKI PILOT THEY HAVE ONE MUST BE FC!!!!! /ME OHHH NOESSSS SHHH!! SHUT UP! /whistles... nothing to see here... move along folks. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:31:00 - [69] On a more serious note, damn excited by these changes. The possibilities are simply.... /drool.. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:48:00 - [70] Originally by: Jezala You have Wing Command V? Woohoo, but no way in hell am I going to let you command 50 of my pilots if you don't know how to tie your fricking shoe laces! If we have to, we'll resort to multiple smaller gangs and keep the fleet organization and hirarchy out of game. And by doing that you are breaking up the blob somewhat, wich is the sole purpose of this change... And to be honest, I like it, even though Im a fotm Caldari Achura with 3 base charisma Regards /Doxs After almost half a year, why is my face just a '!' ? And please fix the Javelin T2 rail ammunition...
Lucre STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Mallick 8x and 12x modifiers on the skills? NO THANK YOU! It's worse than that. It's an 8x Charisma skill. Which needs to be trained to level 5 for Fleet Command. Ouch. - It's great flying Amarr, aint it?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Lothena Again, Leadership is presently in game. As is squadron and wing command skills. They do not presently do what these skills show. Are they planning to change their use? How would it affect the other Leadership based skills? Armored warfare etc... Squadron Leader stays as it is, and has no effect on the size of the squadron that you're leading. Squadron size is determined by the leader's Leadership skill. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:22:00 - [73] Some kind Dev is going to have to explain all this new gang stuff to use very slowly. I for one have nfi which way is up with this part of kali in the slightest. Meanwhile I'll have to get that last advanced learning skill done and get leadership trained to 5. 10/10 plexes here I come at any rate. It'll be tourture but it must be done. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:44:00 - [74] I like these changes and the implications. The only gripe i have is the basic Leadership skill. I hope it'll work like Mass Production and Targeting, adding skill to a base value. What i mean is, Leadership allows 1 gang mate, which is the command of one person, making a two man group. Thus Leadership V would allow the command of 5 members, making a 6 man gang. From a fleet perspective it's not a big difference, but if you're just starting to play the game it's a real bummer to not be able to create a gang at all, especially as many characters start with leadership 1. So, i really hope gang size will be 1+[leadership level] = command of [leadership level] /Y
Imhotep Khem Vortex.	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:00:00 - [75] This looks like just another time sink. I do not see the purpose of this as it does nothing to control or limit blob warfare in any way. These skills are already here so its nice to add more value to them. And them being such high rank will bring more specialization, in theory. Perhaps its a start, but somehow this needs to be flipped into a way to limit the number of ships in a given system. But we need to be conscious of what it takes to bring down a Large POS. ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
rodgerd Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 19:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Mallick 8x and 12x modifiers on the skills? NO THANK YOU! I feel a great disturbance in the force, as though everyone who built cookie-cutter 3 CHA Archura characters cried out in pain... -- Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance.

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