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Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:31:00 - [1] (I know, I know, the cardinal sin of addressing a thread's topic to a dev. But I want answers, damn it!) Only a brief question. As the Hyperion isn't seeded on Sisi yet (or wasn't last I checked, anyhow), and it's stats basically make it a not very good ship (can't use blasters better than a Mega, can't use rails better than a Mega, can't really tank that much better than a Mega in anything but a dedicated tanking setup), is the Hype's stats on Sisi final? Or is it still a work in progress? -----------------------------------------------
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:32:00 - [2] Is Kali Final? No? Then neither is the Hyperion ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Is Kali Final? No? Then neither is the Hyperion Heh, true. But I kinda mean in the wider sense. I mean, all the other ships seem to be ready for release, jsut with tweaking. But the fact the Hype isn't seeded on Sisi yet, combined with it's general sucky stats, I was wondering oif those stats actually bear any resemblance to what the Hype's gonna be. -----------------------------------------------
FawKa Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:36:00 - [4] Edited by: FawKa on 25/10/2006 12:38:20 /me runs around myself, tearing my hair out and screaming out in total panic ! Relax guys, things isnt final! Edit: Good idea to give the devs a clue that the hype is worse than a mega for anything is can do tho . More dronebay - its gallente more grid - it is like an old Deimos? switch of a med- for a low-slot - Only gallente drone ships has 5 meds due to the possible fitting of shieldtanking for gallente. Gun boats needs lows more than meds. etc
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Is Kali Final? No? Then neither is the Hyperion Oh, yes, if only that sort of logic worked. Sadly, it doesn't. - What am I listening to?
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:42:00 - [6] Not that it is wise turning this into a discussion about the Hyperion balance. Tux won't ever answer then, but suffice to say: 1. The low to mid slot balance is entirely dependant on the ship's concept and execution. 2. It needs to be less like the Megathron and BETTER in it's own role. - What am I listening to?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Ithildin Not that it is wise turning this into a discussion about the Hyperion balance. Tux won't ever answer then, but suffice to say: 1. The low to mid slot balance is entirely dependant on the ship's concept and execution. 2. It needs to be less like the Megathron and BETTER in it's own role. Indeedy. It seems odd that the Hype is, basically, a Mega, whichever way you look at it. I mean sure it has differences, but it's trying to fill a role that another ship was already perfect for- thats always going to be difficult to do, and kind of pointless to boot. At worst it'll fail to beat the old ship at that job, and at best it beats the old ship, putting it out of a job. -----------------------------------------------
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:50:00 - [8] I really like the Hyperion as it is, to be honest. To further improve it, I would add; 1) Even more agility 2) A little more powergrid Then it would be perfect. Its still bloody good though. Will be the kind of small gang combat.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:57:00 - [9] Butter Dog, as it is right now it's either rest in peace Megathron or rest in peace Hyperion. It's a flawed concept, they need to clean it up so you can clearly say "use the Megathron for X and Hyperion for Y". Right now it's "Use either Megathron or Hyperion for X, but only Megathron for Y". That's wrong. So: Are the stats on the Hyperion still in development and review, or have they been locked? - What am I listening to?
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Ithildin So: Are the stats on the Hyperion still in development and review, or have they been locked? I too would like the answer to this, cause as it is now, it's an overpriced Megathron-lite. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:02:00 - [11] Ah, it would appear Tux isn't going to reply- he just replied to another thread right next to it Oh well, we may just have to wait and see............... -----------------------------------------------
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Ithildin Butter Dog, as it is right now it's either rest in peace Megathron or rest in peace Hyperion. It's a flawed concept, they need to clean it up so you can clearly say "use the Megathron for X and Hyperion for Y". Right now it's "Use either Megathron or Hyperion for X, but only Megathron for Y". That's wrong. So: Are the stats on the Hyperion still in development and review, or have they been locked? Features aren't locked, they were modifying stuff yesterday. I would suggest submitting a bug report, though, to make sure the information makes it back up the chain. I'm sure most of the people working on this kind of thing don't have time to read forums. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:06:00 - [13] It's not a bug, it's a balance issue. And just because other stuff is being balanced says nothing whether the Hyperion has been put in the "done, let's ignore it" pile. - What am I listening to?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Ithildin It's not a bug, it's a balance issue. And just because other stuff is being balanced says nothing whether the Hyperion has been put in the "done, let's ignore it" pile. Its not even that that I'm curious about. The fact it isn't seeded like the other ships are says to me that maybe the stats we're looking at have not much to do with the final build- alot less than the other ones, which are clearly considered done enough to start testing. Then agian, it might just be that the model isn't ready. -----------------------------------------------
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Ithildin It's not a bug, it's a balance issue. And just because other stuff is being balanced says nothing whether the Hyperion has been put in the "done, let's ignore it" pile. The bug reporting system is the only way to get information like this to the people that can do something about it. If you truly don't believe there's anything to be done about it, why do you get on the test server at all? I think you're being a bit overly negative. Besides, I happen to know that you're wrong here. When we were testing stuff for exodus, I bug reported the fact that the cerberus could run a shield booster, stealth mod, tech 2 AB, etc, and be damn near invincible and run it all full time in full gank/tank setup. A bughunter convo'd me in about 15 minutes asking for specifics and to meet me somewhere to show it to him. I did, and things were changed, stealth modules didn't make it into the game. I can't say it's solely because of that particular report, but I can say balance issues aren't ignored. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Magunus Originally by: Ithildin It's not a bug, it's a balance issue. And just because other stuff is being balanced says nothing whether the Hyperion has been put in the "done, let's ignore it" pile. The bug reporting system is the only way to get information like this to the people that can do something about it. If you truly don't believe there's anything to be done about it, why do you get on the test server at all? I think you're being a bit overly negative. Besides, I happen to know that you're wrong here. When we were testing stuff for exodus, I bug reported the fact that the cerberus could run a shield booster, stealth mod, tech 2 AB, etc, and be damn near invincible and run it all full time in full gank/tank setup. A bughunter convo'd me in about 15 minutes asking for specifics and to meet me somewhere to show it to him. I did, and things were changed, stealth modules didn't make it into the game. I can't say it's solely because of that particular report, but I can say balance issues aren't ignored. It's not seeded on Sisi yet, so we can't actually test it, per se. 'Tis all theoretical, atm. -----------------------------------------------
Lucus Ranger Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:26:00 - [17] Actually it was seeded last night, was testing it and tbh.. it sucked.. hard.. I didn't notice and real difference in speed/agility wise and it didn't really outdamage the Megathron. Also they haven't finished the modal for it yet (it was using the Mega's modal) so I assume that it's still got alot of tweaks needing to be done to it.. At the moment though.. Megathron > Hyperion all the way imo..
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:30:00 - [18] It's seeded, it's just that the hull looks like a Megathron. They've not finished/implemented the Hyperion hull yet. - What am I listening to?
Lucus Ranger Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:33:00 - [19] I'm just thinking.. Maybe they should give it 2x Damage Bonus.. 10% to Blaster Damage per level.. Give it enough PG to be able to fit 8x Neutrons and a MWD..
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:52:00 - [20] I demand to be moved to the Kali forum! Well...........not so much demand.........you can have a cookie if you do? -----------------------------------------------

Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:58:00 - [21] I haven't had chance to test it yet, but I have crunched the numbers on some ideas for setups, and IÆm reserving judgement till I have the thing fully fitted out. However, it is not a Megathron, and trying to shoe-horn a Megathron setup onto it probably won't work. Saying it can't really tank better than a Megathron is plainly incorrect when you have a +37.5% bonus per repairer. So before yelling for changes lets at least try the thing thoroughly... ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Gabriel Karade I haven't had chance to test it yet, but I have crunched the numbers on some ideas for setups, and IÆm reserving judgement till I have the thing fully fitted out. However, it is not a Megathron, and trying to shoe-horn a Megathron setup onto it probably won't work. Saying it can't really tank better than a Megathron is plainly incorrect when you have a +37.5% bonus per repairer. So before yelling for changes lets at least try the thing thoroughly... That is true, but the slot set-up means (in my vague attempts to fit one) it's missing a low slot. It takes a long time for that repper bonus to make up for a missing 1600mm plate, or a EANM. Go read that gigantic Hyperion thread for a better informed answser. -----------------------------------------------
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Gabriel Karade I haven't had chance to test it yet, but I have crunched the numbers on some ideas for setups, and IÆm reserving judgement till I have the thing fully fitted out. However, it is not a Megathron, and trying to shoe-horn a Megathron setup onto it probably won't work. Saying it can't really tank better than a Megathron is plainly incorrect when you have a +37.5% bonus per repairer. So before yelling for changes lets at least try the thing thoroughly... That is true, but the slot set-up means (in my vague attempts to fit one) it's missing a low slot. It takes a long time for that repper bonus to make up for a missing 1600mm plate, or a EANM. Go read that gigantic Hyperion thread for a better informed answser. Yes, however, that does not take into account the threshold at which damage starts to break through. The time to æcatch upÆ is only relevant if the damage > your repair threshold. If that threshold is high enough you simply won't break through (capacitor concerns obviously come into this). On a Hyperion that threshold is going to be very high, so high infact that without Heavy drones, a Megathron with Void L and less than three damage modules probably won't be able to break the tank. I'm really looking forward to seeing this puppy in action. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:41:00 - [24] Its also kinda sad that its got a lower lock range then the new Battlecruiser. That just seems specious.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:48:00 - [25] This kind of maths hurts my head Assuming we're talking about PvP here, I'm guessing the battle isn't going to last more than a couple of minutes, right? With it's bonus, 1x LAR II repairs about 1000HP every 15 seconds. After the HP boost, a 1600mm rolled tungsten plate will be worth about 4800. That means that the time it'll take for one of it's LARs to make up for that lost low slot is about 75 seconds, or 1 minute 15 seconds. Which, imo, is a fairly long time for PvP. Not only that, but it'll burn alot of Cap to do it, too. BUT, the Mega would have a LAR aswell, right? So all we're really talking about is the 37.5% boost trying to make up for it. So: with it's bonus, it does an extra 250 or so repping with a LAR II. The time it'll take this 250 extra reppin every 15 seconds to make up for that missing 1600mm plate would be 20 cycles (roughly), 300 seconds, or 5 minutes. How amny PvP battles do you think last 5 minutes, the time it'll take for that bonus to pay off that missing low slot? -----------------------------------------------
Aypse Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:27:00 - [26] Edited by: Aypse on 25/10/2006 20:28:29 Edit: Forum deleted my post Is the real problem not with the Mega or with the Hype? Is it really with the low fitting requirements of the 1600mm plate? Why is it that I often find myself fitting an oversized-BS plate on my CRUISER? Now, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought this was the way plates were 'supposed' to be fitted: Frig: 50mm-400mm (400mm in extreme-tank situations) cruiser: 400mm-800mm (800mm in extreme-tank roles) BC: 400mm-800mm (800mm is hard to fit, but can still fit with a balanced setup) BS: 800mm-1600mm (800mm is 'standard', 1600mm forces the pilot to fit the lowest guns and into a tank setup) The 1600mm plate is supposed to be an over-sized plate, not a standard plate, but they are so easy to fit, they have become standard size. It appears to me that we all fit oversized plates on our ships, because they are easier to fit than an appropriate sized repairer. If we made plates harder to fit and moved people down a plate size (800mm MAX on cruiser). What the hell does this have to do with the Mega and Hype? Increase fitting requirements forces the Mega to go more 'gank' and the hype to go more 'tank.' This will create a broader line between the two ships as well as drawning a more defined line between Cruiser-BC-BS. Are we sure that they are not increasing HPs across the board in preparation for a increase in fitting requirements for plates and extenders???? That is what I want to know.
Aypse Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Aypse on 25/10/2006 20:29:29 Double post.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:30:00 - [28] This should be in the "Kali Discussions" forum. This signature space for rent
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Butter Dog on 25/10/2006 22:05:36 Originally by: Patch86 This kind of maths hurts my head Assuming we're talking about PvP here, I'm guessing the battle isn't going to last more than a couple of minutes, right? With it's bonus, 1x LAR II repairs about 1000HP every 15 seconds. After the HP boost, a 1600mm rolled tungsten plate will be worth about 4800. That means that the time it'll take for one of it's LARs to make up for that lost low slot is about 75 seconds, or 1 minute 15 seconds. Which, imo, is a fairly long time for PvP. Not only that, but it'll burn alot of Cap to do it, too. BUT, the Mega would have a LAR aswell, right? So all we're really talking about is the 37.5% boost trying to make up for it. So: with it's bonus, it does an extra 250 or so repping with a LAR II. The time it'll take this 250 extra reppin every 15 seconds to make up for that missing 1600mm plate would be 20 cycles (roughly), 300 seconds, or 5 minutes. How amny PvP battles do you think last 5 minutes, the time it'll take for that bonus to pay off that missing low slot? You're assuming crappy skills here. Do you get a 15 second cycle time on your repper? I dont Plus, the bonus for LARII will mean you are repping more like 1120. Or, a Core-X repper. Wow. You can fit a great tank in the 6 lows. The extra gun makes up for the lack of damage mod. What you have in effect, is Megathron DPS with a VASTLY superior tank, more agility, more CPU, and an extra mid for a web or painter. Its actually a really good ship.
Jazz Bo Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Ithildin It's seeded, it's just that the hull looks like a Megathron. They've not finished/implemented the Hyperion hull yet. I also really hope that they haven't implemented the Hyperion's agility and mass either. It doesn't seem to turn any better, and moves a little over 1200m/s with a 100mn MWD II. I honestly can't think of a single reason to use one over the Megathron, especially considering it's going to cost more. Quote: Pew pew... ka-boom.... pew pew... squishhh



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