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Octavio Santillian	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:14:00 - [31] Yes. These are some of the best designed ships I've seen in a long time. The do verge on overpowered, but that's because a lot of ships are underpowered unless they play a very specific role in a larger gang. These ships are obviously pure combat machines that will excel at solo, small gang, and fleet support. I've been very critical of the Devs of late, but these ships are home runs, though they may need a little tweaking to balance them against each other. ôWeÆre not doing for ISK...........WeÆre doing it for a ****load of ISK!ö
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:16:00 - [32] just need command ship versions so i dont feel like a nub flying a t1 BC It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Succoros Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Blind Man just need command ship versions so i dont feel like a nub flying a t1 BC Update the skins on the field command ships and we have a winner ----------------------------------- Death is more eternal than life. Everyone dies but not everyone lives.
2SecondsTilMidnight	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Deathbarrage I can already see scenario's where the new BC's will rip some of the current BS a new one Drake + heavy assault launchers + T2 rage heavy assault missiles = BS wins new *******s in the hull. If the drake the is right on top of the BS, lol
Still Hart Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Succoros Originally by: Blind Man just need command ship versions so i dont feel like a nub flying a t1 BC Update the skins on the field command ships and we have a winner That is a spectacular idea. _____________________
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:00:00 - [36] I still think the myrmidon needs a 6th turret HP, even the model has 6 turret slots..
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:29:00 - [37] Originally by: 2SecondsTilMidnight Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Deathbarrage I can already see scenario's where the new BC's will rip some of the current BS a new one Drake + heavy assault launchers + T2 rage heavy assault missiles = BS wins new *****s in the hull. If the drake the is right on top of the BS, lol never said it didn't had any drawbacks ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:24:00 - [38] Originally by: 2SecondsTilMidnight Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Deathbarrage I can already see scenario's where the new BC's will rip some of the current BS a new one Drake + heavy assault launchers + T2 rage heavy assault missiles = BS wins new *******s in the hull. If the drake the is right on top of the BS, lol thats what the covert ops is for, gang warp a small wing of Drakes onto the BS with the HAL IIs and T2 Rage HAMs
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Succoros Originally by: Blind Man just need command ship versions so i dont feel like a nub flying a t1 BC Update the skins on the field command ships and we have a winner Where does the Eos's 7th turret go on the Myrmidon model? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker HAL IIs and T2 Rage HAMs I just pictured some sort of supercomputers called "HAL II"'s throwing enraged tech 2 hams against a BS. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker HAL IIs and T2 Rage HAMs I just pictured some sort of supercomputers called "HAL II"'s throwing enraged tech 2 hams against a BS. the HAL IIs prevent the Pod Bay Doors from opening whent he enemy BS blows up saving you ammo as the pod wont eject......
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:25:00 - [42] Originally by: DeathBunny Yeah whos gonna drop 250 mill on a cerb when u can jump in a drake for a fraction of the cost AND get a real insurance payout when you loose it. Plus the Drake will probably end up better in every way except range. Wait, do I hear the sounds of HAC prices crashing? Let me weep for T2 producers. Honestly, I like the new BCs, altho the resists and ROF combo for the Drake is a tad on the omgpwn side. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Scordite Originally by: Shadowsword Are battlecruisers going to become the powerhorses of pvp? I've heard of powerhouses.. I've heard of workhorses.. But I'm still trying to figure out what a powerhorse is Gank CBC. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Logan Xerxes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.26 05:56:00 - [44] As far as I am concerned, the (battle)cruisers will becoe the new centerpices for heavy skirmishing, while hte battleships will still be king for large pre-arranged ops. Frigates will of course still do what they have been doing for a long time, fast moving packs of phiranas that'll chew up unprepared enemies. The cruiser range will be doing the above, but move a litle slower and will be able to stick around and take on the enemy hunting pack that will be going after them. Battleships will still reign as kings of the big fleet op. As said before, cap ships are strategic weapons, not tactical and I won't include them in this comparision. Mind you the above three categories are not set in stone and there will undoubtedly be mixes between them. And that's what makes EVE PVP so good "Draw them in with the prospect of gain, take them by confusion." -Sun Tzu
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: DeathBunny Yeah whos gonna drop 250 mill on a cerb when u can jump in a drake for a fraction of the cost AND get a real insurance payout when you loose it. Plus the Drake will probably end up better in every way except range. Wait, do I hear the sounds of HAC prices crashing? Let me weep for T2 producers. Honestly, I like the new BCs, altho the resists and ROF combo for the Drake is a tad on the omgpwn side. you know the drake is too powerful if even die hard caldaris are saying it's too powerful. I think to fix the drake they just need to reduce it's ability to fit such a fat tank on top of the general ownage damage it can do with heavey assaults. The damage is fine because the new bcs seem to be on the crazy dps side, but ** me that drake can mount a mean tank too. In rust we trust!!!**
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:40:00 - [46] I don't know about making HAC prices crash, but it will be nice to see them fall somewhat. Personally I've been looking forward to the Hurricane, and it looks better than I dared hope it would. As for pvp combat. I think we'll see more BCs in rapid attacking gangs, but I feel that in defence the BS is still king. No other ship (outside of capital) can sit and take as much damage while dealing it out as well as a BS. That said I have only ever willingly taken a BS out of the hanger for PVP when it is absoluteley neccesary, and prefer to rely on T2 frigates, T1 cruisers, or the Cyclone when I have a well setup one, and the funds to replace it if it goes pop. I'm looking forward to flying the Hurricane, and using it in PVP, and I also happen to be qualified to fly the Myrmidao and the Drake. I'm intrigued by the Drake, and will probably buy one of those too. The Myrmidon doesn't interest me as much. As for T2 versions, changing the skin on one of the command ships will only work so far, as in the case of the Minmatar, the Cyclone is a shield tanking arty boat (as are it's variants) while the Hurricane is an armour tanking AC pwnage mobile with no tank bonus, so I don't feel that the idea would work. et's hope that by Kali 3, CCP will have sorted us out some funky new Command Ships (or even created a new T2 class for these as they also don't get gang mod bonus like the tier 1 BC. Maybe SHAC (Super Heavy Assault Ship, which will cost more money than God has to buy and kit out if current HAC prices are anything to go by!)) Akkarin Akkarin Linkage <3 - Immy
Hayabusa Fury Caldari Wu-Tang Financial Mordus Angels	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:50:00 - [47] No. Battleships will still beat the Battlecruiser because of it's huge sig and still slow speed. The HACs will still out fly the BCs with speed and speed is the death of the Drake's DPS. But, if the new Battlecruisers are that uber and are not nerfed, then they will reach HAC prices soon enough. Then we can all afford the HACs no one is buying, lol. ---------------- "I can not recall the number of times my superior intellect has got me knee deep in ****!" --Harely Hayes
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Hayabusa Fury Battleships will still beat the Battlecruiser because of it's huge sig and still slow speed. The HACs will still out fly the BCs with speed and speed is the death of the Drake's DPS. There are very, very few HACs I run from in my brutix, and the harbinger/hurricane/drake a fair chunk better... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 06:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Hayabusa Fury But, if the new Battlecruisers are that uber and are not nerfed, then they will reach HAC prices soon enough. how if they are T1 ships made from blueprints that anyone can buy out from the market? ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:11:00 - [50] I don't care anymore, I sold my soul to the Hurricane the moment I hopped into one ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Noriath	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:48:00 - [51] I think the one crucial element eve is still missing for Cruisers to be really viable as a PvP workhorse is for ship speed to acctually matter. Right now it doesn't at all, you're either an MWD ship that does at least 1000m/s or you're warp aligned and not moving at all... Nobody that intends to move their ship on the battlefield shows up without an MWD anymore...
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:02:00 - [52] I take a battlecruiser/command ship over an overpriced HAC any day Outbreak! F* Yeah! Coming again to save the motherf*ing day yeah! In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Mr Bright untaught THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:01:00 - [53] MM anyone that know/have tested the hurricanes speed with MWD? plate/nano stats welcome as well Thx in advance
Fon Revedhort Tion Astronautics	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:10:00 - [54] Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 26/10/2006 09:12:22 Originally by: Succoros Originally by: Blind Man just need command ship versions so i dont feel like a nub flying a t1 BC Update the skins on the field command ships and we have a winner Hands off my Absolution, I like it very much as it is with the Prophecy hull. Well, exept that paper thin gun, of course
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:11:00 - [55] Originally by: James Lyrus I've always thought that cruisers and heavy cruisers _should_ be the workhorse of PvP. They're 'nicely in range' of the other ship classes to make it less of a 'gnats vs elephants' fight. [...] If the 'good' option was cruisers and BCs in PvP, for a 'good mix' of speed and firepower (like it says in the description) you don't have the lone (or small group) frigate pilot just having to give up and go home, because there's just no way it can beat that tank. You might have a disadvantage to going up against a cruiser, but it's still more than possible for one to have a good fight with the other. [...]Battleships are nice, and I like them, but they're just too much the 'standard option' for combat. Phrases like 'exactly', 'precisely' and 'marry me plz' simply do not effectively communicate how much I agree with this post. ---------- IBTL \o/
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:15:00 - [56] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/10/2006 09:16:10 I think they are designed perfectly. The whole term battlecruiser should mean cruisers designed for heavy battle. Every one of these babies looks to be alot of fun to fly, and the 25M battlecruisers fit right in between the 7M cruisers and the 55M battleships in terms of power. Alot of pvp'ers didnt like battlecruisers before, but now that these ones are so powerful, and also get a agility boost (20%), I think alot of us will finally like the experience of flying them instead of cruisers. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:19:00 - [57] They will be the workhorse of skirmish warfare (thank you CCP for not nerfing it completely) and will provide excellent support for a fleet of battleships. However, battleship gang > battlecruiser gang. It's just that one costs 1/3 the price and is more fun to fly. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Jurskjeld Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:21:00 - [58] Will BC prices go up now, or just the general "others" be going down? Cos, I just got myself one, and a lot of others should invest in some if a price change is expected. -- Amarr scum be pushing gas, Caldari dogs are kissing their ***. Gallente and Minmatar together stand forever as the holy band.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 09:31:00 - [59] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 26/10/2006 09:33:07 Originally by: Jurskjeld Will BC prices go up now, or just the general "others" be going down? Cos, I just got myself one, and a lot of others should invest in some if a price change is expected. In the long term, t1 ship prices will be around mineral cost + 10%, and perhaps a bit more depending on location. In the short term, perhaps people will pay over the odds over the first day or two while people produce these things due to limited supply. Far too many people have saved up multi billions, some even planning to buy 2 of every teir2 BC and tier3 BS, so that one set can manufacture right away, and the other set can be put in research. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:34:00 - [60] Personally I think if the NOS is nerfed people might bring more cruisers and battlecruisers into pvp which will make battlecruisers fill a role as anti CR/HAC. This is a good thing and opens for more variation in gangs. Maybe even alitle tweak on the tracking scaling and we'll see alot more BC/CR sized shipss. But in the end battleships win wars as Jenny said, and if battlecruisers become that succesfull in pvp battleships will be their best counter anyway. The good thing about these ships is they will be good and cheap alternatives for pvp, solid and powerfull and if we're lucky they might even make the hac prices fall. guy being attacked by a pirat in a complex Originally by:* Noluck Ned Notify Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for the gatekeeper to respawn

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