EVE Search - Are battlecruisers going to become the powerhorses of pvp?

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Are battlecruisers going to become the powerhorses of pvp?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:20:00 - [1] Considering that: - The new battleships aren't all that hot. - Tuxford dislike 180km sniping fests. - Those new battlecruisers have a superb mix of firepower, resilience, aren't flying bricks anymore and are easily replaceable. In short almost everyone want to have sex with them. - Close range is more fun anyway. Are battlecruisers going to replace battleships as "The Ship" for those that want both to tank and dish out the love? Discuss (and no, I don't think battleships will simply disappear) ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:22:00 - [2] they need to be balanced, the drake atm is most likely better than the raven It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:22:00 - [3] I hope so, its a lot easier to deal with a handful of Battlecruisers with Cruisers and destroyers then it is to deal with a handfull of Battleships. More people flying Battlecruisers = More people flying cruisers.
DarK STK Scientific	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:25:00 - [4] One can only hope. As far as I know it wasn't really intended for people to be in battleships 2-3 months after going live. I am inclined to think that they were made as sexable as they are to alleviate the HAC problem without having to seed more BPO's.
DeathBunny Minmatar Sturmgrenadier Inc	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:30:00 - [5] Yeah whos gonna drop 250 mill on a cerb when u can jump in a drake for a fraction of the cost AND get a real insurance payout when you loose it. *Fear The Bunny*
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:31:00 - [6] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 25/10/2006 15:31:41 How is the drake better than the raven? Less dps. Small drone bay. No heavy nos. Lesser tank. Where is your logic?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:39:00 - [7] I've always thought that cruisers and heavy cruisers _should_ be the workhorse of PvP. They're 'nicely in range' of the other ship classes to make it less of a 'gnats vs elephants' fight. I'm ignoring capitals entirely, because IMO they're strategic weapons, no tactical. If the 'good' option was cruisers and BCs in PvP, for a 'good mix' of speed and firepower (like it says in the description) you don't have the lone (or small group) frigate pilot just having to give up and go home, because there's just no way it can beat that tank. You might have a disadvantage to going up against a cruiser, but it's still more than possible for one to have a good fight with the other. Of course, I also think if they nerf instas, this will happen too. You will see battleships, but much more often you'll see the small/midrange ships, simply for mobility reasons. Battleships are nice, and I like them, but they're just too much the 'standard option' for combat.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:40:00 - [8] It depends very much on the size of the gang, tbh - as gang size gets bigger, BCs sig radius becomes a more acute disadvantage. There are also tactical/logistical issues, having to do with gang mobility (advantage BC) flexibility of setup/encounter range (advantage BS) ammo consumption (advantage BS) accessibility (a BC needs less SP to be flown "competently") as well as ofc cost of replacement. I think what you'll see for the first time is that a BS for small gang work will become the arena of the highly-skilled, specialized and experienced pilot, as it should be. This is not to say that a well-flown BC with a skilled pilot isn't deadly, far from it, but the fact that there are now ships which are very close to the dps/tank/versatility zone where BSes operate will finally drive into people's heads that if you fly a BS without the skills, you will be caught with your pants down by smaller ships and thoroughly humiliated. Apologies if this is slightly rambly, sleep deprivation ftl :) ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Scordite	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Shadowsword Are battlecruisers going to become the powerhorses of pvp? I've heard of powerhouses.. I've heard of workhorses.. But I'm still trying to figure out what a powerhorse is ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Lucian Corvinus Gallente Expert Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 25/10/2006 15:31:41 How is the drake better than the raven? Less dps. Small drone bay. No heavy nos. Lesser tank. Where is your logic? It's because the javelins got hit with the nerfbat so hard that it flew out the ballpark...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Scordite Originally by: Shadowsword Are battlecruisers going to become the powerhorses of pvp? I've heard of powerhouses.. I've heard of workhorses.. But I'm still trying to figure out what a powerhorse is It's -1 horse power. It's what makes your car go when it's in reverse.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:59:00 - [12] Battleships win battles, full stop. Cruisers are good for supporting battleships as battlecruisers are good for supporting cruisers. I see battlecruisers will be the powerhouse of fast cruiser and frigate raid gangs. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:12:00 - [13] The new battle cruisers rock. I think they will become a major part of the PvP enviorment.
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Scordite Originally by: Shadowsword Are battlecruisers going to become the powerhorses of pvp? I've heard of powerhouses.. I've heard of workhorses.. But I'm still trying to figure out what a powerhorse is Well, my bad, english isn't my native language. ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:30:00 - [15] Edited by: Stormhold on 25/10/2006 16:30:46 Drake is awesome. Mini-Raven is a very good description, but I have to say, it might be overpowered, because it's actually rather close to a Raven. I also heard though, that an inertia stabbed hurricane can reach over 3km/s.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:30:00 - [16] BS's will always be the powerhouse of PvP (major nerfs forgiving). But I would like to see Cruisers and BCs becoming more of the workhorses, and these BCs might help that. -----------------------------------------------
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Shadowsword Are battlecruisers going to replace battleships as "The Ship" for those that want both to tank and dish out the love? I sure as hell hope so. I date back to the time when battleships were described as something that required 'maintenance' and only large corporations can afford a battleship yet now everyone and their dog can get one. Alot of things would have to change before things change with battleships. Nerfing instas would be a good start like a previous poster stated. Travel would take alot longer then. If they were jump drive ships that would effectively make them have the 'maintenance cost' described about 4 years ago but that likely will not happen now. Maybe sig radius could be played with a bit more so the large guns have an even harder time hitting things smaller than another battleship we won't see so many large fleets of them.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:53:00 - [18] They change the face of battle. Keepiru said it the best. As for it becomeing the center of frig raids like Jenny said? Meh... gang warps default to the slowest ship. Not everyone has bookmarks to self warp in hostile territory. As it stands now, as a proud drunkenswarm member, we don't let cruisers in our frig gangs. Only interdictors are allowed in our frig gangs but that is because it brings something to the table. Usually mobility of 6AU warps are what a good swarm is all about. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Kaylana Syi They change the face of battle. Keepiru said it the best. As for it becomeing the center of frig raids like Jenny said? Meh... gang warps default to the slowest ship. Not everyone has bookmarks to self warp in hostile territory. As it stands now, as a proud drunkenswarm member, we don't let cruisers in our frig gangs. Only interdictors are allowed in our frig gangs but that is because it brings something to the table. Usually mobility of 6AU warps are what a good swarm is all about. These better battlecruisers would target the HAC/Recon gang types, not the frigate (inty/af) based gangs. When many people say "frigate raids" they generally mean fast countervalue raids, of which the HAC is generally a core component. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Native Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Kaylana Syi They change the face of battle. Keepiru said it the best. As for it becomeing the center of frig raids like Jenny said? Meh... gang warps default to the slowest ship. Not everyone has bookmarks to self warp in hostile territory. As it stands now, as a proud drunkenswarm member, we don't let cruisers in our frig gangs. Only interdictors are allowed in our frig gangs but that is because it brings something to the table. Usually mobility of 6AU warps are what a good swarm is all about. There are rigs that increase warp speed
K1K1R1K1	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Kaylana Syi They change the face of battle. Keepiru said it the best. As for it becomeing the center of frig raids like Jenny said? Meh... gang warps default to the slowest ship. Not everyone has bookmarks to self warp in hostile territory. As it stands now, as a proud drunkenswarm member, we don't let cruisers in our frig gangs. Only interdictors are allowed in our frig gangs but that is because it brings something to the table. Usually mobility of 6AU warps are what a good swarm is all about. What kinda tactics are you using where warp speed is a critical factor? Even a lone BC can shred frigs unless you're well coordinated and setup. As for the OP's question. Considering BC's cost effectiveness, I think they'll become more common in gangs (where-as now they're few and far between). Still, the cruiser gets you best bang for your buck while putting up a good fight vs a BC while BS's still make quick work of BC's. ____________________________________________ Don't worry aboutit
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:28:00 - [22] Edited by: DubanFP on 25/10/2006 17:29:21 I would rate the new Drake as god in eve. I mean why does it have that 5% resistance bonus? There are 2 lines in eve, Rail/missile Mixed Tankers and Missile damage dealers Tankers: merlin-> Moa -> Ferox -> Rokh line not the Damage dealers: Kestrel-> Caracal-> Drake -> Raven line. I mean it has all best of the merlin line "5% resists, an extra mid-slot for even more tankage. With a PG that doesn't make it hard to fit oversized Extenders "seriously underestimated btw". People say Comparing ferox to Drake is like comparing Apples to oranges, i say why choose the drake has both "except the instahit at long ranges", but close range is more importaint anyways. The missile line are usually balanced out by lack of tanking abilities, which is obviously not the case with the drake.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:29:00 - [23] I can already see scenario's where the new BC's will rip some of the current BS a new one
Raxxius Maelstrom	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:41:00 - [24] I think battleships are still the cornerstone of major fleet ops. For small scale I can see Battlecruisers filling in raiding partys/pirating roles nicely.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:37:00 - [25] In PvP, I already fly a Cyclone almost exclusively. I fly a ruppy when saving money, and a Typhoon when something just absolutely has to die, but I love my Cyclone with all my cold, black heart. I'm happy to see that others are beginning to see the value of Battlecruisers, even if it did take a (potentially broken) group of new BCs to do that. As for role, I use mine mostly as a cruiser stomper, with gangmate cruisers supporting ME, not the other way around. That's what a BC should be, much like a dessy nukes frigates. ---------------------------- Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected]) I tried?
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:38:00 - [26] I'm really excited to give my BS a rest for a little and start flying a BC again. Though I think for most non-raiding groups the BS will still reign supreme.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Battleships win battles, full stop. Cruisers are good for supporting battleships as battlecruisers are good for supporting cruisers. I see battlecruisers will be the powerhouse of fast cruiser and frigate raid gangs. well with sniping being nerfed the battleships wont be at a full stop anymore they might have to move!
Benjamin Olson	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:11:00 - [28] Drake + Amarr Tier 2 BC = zomgbbqpwnage Im still learning the Amarr's name, Harbinger? I guess
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Deathbarrage I can already see scenario's where the new BC's will rip some of the current BS a new one Drake + heavy assault launchers + T2 rage heavy assault missiles = BS wins new *****s in the hull. ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:01:00 - [30] they will get nerfed, don't worry.

Pages: [1] 2 3 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.