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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:15:29 -
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So there I was minding my own business happily strip mining an asteroid in High Sec when all of a sudden a member of CODE attempts to gank my ship. He failed, I scooped his loot and continued on my merry way mining GÇô not totally unphased.
I knew of CODE from some of the threads James315 has started and from seeing them mentioned in the past; however, I never had the honor of being attacked before. With my new found attention I read up what I could find on CODE mostly from the Minningbumping site and through the links provided there. Besides being out of date I am curious about something.
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like. Sure there is a healthy ability to talk a lot, and hate on miners but what is it that CODE desires Highsec to be like?
High Sec is pretty much the carebears arena and besides setting the world on fire I have never read anything which proves how they want it to function at all GÇô other than no one should PvE there. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1224
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:23:05 -
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It is a cult with some popular ideas that they can repeat in chants.
You will have them in here soon talking like those pests, that knock on your door on a Sunday morning, soon.
The Order is their divine text full of logical holes but pushed on everyone that gives them the time of day.
There is no logic to a cult.
Relax and ignore them like most everyone else does.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2223
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:28:43 -
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A thorough description of CODE's 3 phase planGäó. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
513
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:31:42 -
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FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
513
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:33:52 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:It is a cult with some popular ideas that they can repeat in chants.
You will have them in here soon talking like those pests, that knock on your door on a Sunday morning, soon.
The Order is their divine text full of logical holes but pushed on everyone that gives them the time of day.
There is no logic to a cult.
Relax and ignore them like most everyone else does.
You are talking about yourself... which is quite funny.
You do that often, actually.
You see things in others, which can be attributed to yourself.
I admit I failed to make a list, mostly because it's not worth it.
In any way... it's called Projection (psychology).
You might want to look it up,
but better walk over Dunning and Krueger who will do their best to stop you.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1509
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:35:44 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!
I was starting to get worried.
Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers!
Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:36:20 -
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I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
514
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:43:11 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
It's a game.
Do you understand that?
If yes, do you understand that in a game there is kind of a point to play
followers of a cult, when the game allows you to do so for fun?
Just checking if you are one of those wackos who can't seperate game from RL ......
And the fee exists because GMs demanded it.
There is a thread about bumping in C&P.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
230
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:49:41 -
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Content creators follow the population density.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:51:58 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
It's a game. Do you understand that? If yes, do you understand that in a game there is kind of a point to play followers of a cult, when the game allows you to do so for fun? Just checking if you are one of those wackos who can't seperate game from RL ...... And the fee exists because GMs demanded it. There is a thread about bumping in C&P.
Not sure why you are quoting me here as I am not opposed to CODEs originally stated goal - I think it is a very valiant position to take. I do take issue with how the mandate has grown such that the original vision of CODE no longer applies. But as the Code says it is a living document and subject to change.
I believe we all know that EVE is a game and everyone is able to play how they want in the sandbox. I never said that CODE should not do what pleases it. You have to have fun. The argument these threads normally get to is that their fun is wrecking my fun - which is a valid statement.
How is real life applicable to anything in EVE? Why bring this up?
So if someone pays 10 mil to CODE, is there some database you enter the name in and you cant be ganked anymore? Is that even a realistic thing that would be recognized by the GM? Is there some link to prove this statement?
I'm not complaining about bumping or being ganked. I am simply asking to what end does the CODE serve other than to justify to their selves ganking people. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
338
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:55:53 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:what is it that CODE desires Highsec to be like? I am much more interested in the answer, what all the CODE members (and highsec wardeccers, etc.) would do if highsec as such was removed altogether.
Just imagine it. Patch downloads, bang - no CONCORD, sov nullsec everywhere, every NPC station is a conquerable outpost owned by Interbus, delayed local everywhere, as in wormholes. Shocked carebears and noobs are speechless, undock into bubbles, are slaughtered, quit en masse. Goons move in into Jita. The markets collapse. In a month or two, all former NPC space is mopped up and divided between the power blocs and their renters.
In six months, EVE population is down to 60-80k subs.
In two years,
Paradise.
Right?
hehe
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:59:05 -
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Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Paranoid Loyd
4545
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:00:14 -
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If you truly understand it is just a game, then questioning their stated goals would quite obviously be idiotic. Methinks you don't understand it's just a game.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:02:35 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:If you truly understand it is just a game, then questioning their stated goals would quite obviously be idiotic. Methinks you don't understand it's just a game.
I agree ... and there is an undertone ...
... but why can't we at least try ...............
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1225
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:03:40 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:In any way... it's called Projection (psychology).
You might want to look it up,
but better walk over Dunning and Krueger who will do their best to stop you. ... and it is here that you see a troll in their natural habitat, spouting off pseudo psychology that they have learned from Wikipedia and other trolls.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:04:04 -
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Hi, Kalissa.
I won't vouch for the rest of the team, but, personally, I chose this organization to work with because it gives me a very convenient schedule with no CTAs and other obligations so common in nullsec alliances and a unique kind of gameplay that cannot be found in any other region in EVE.
I've written about it in the past, so I will make a reference to a post in a different thread, but, to sum it up, the well-known barriers against aggression in highsec create the environment optimal for piracy in its traditional meaning, involving expectation of safety on behalf of the victim and the readiness of the criminal to exploit it while using the loopholes in the security system.
As for miner ganking, I've come to seeing it as a nice little metagame, just like Providence freeports or Gevlon's anti-Goon crusade. It creates conflict, and conflict is good for business.
The purpose of the New Order as a whole is to provide a counterbalance against the demands of die-hard carebears to turn highsec into a safezone, the likes of which are common in other MMOs. If EVE is ever to have a safezone, it must have no asteroids to mine, no missions to do, and no stations to trade in, since the risk/reward ratio is what keeps the system running. |
Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:06:00 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though.
So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment.
I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:10:38 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:In any way... it's called Projection (psychology).
You might want to look it up,
but better walk over Dunning and Krueger who will do their best to stop you. ... and it is here that you see a troll in their natural habitat, spouting off pseudo psychology that they have learned from Wikipedia and other trolls.
And here is a person incapable of doing anything else,
while completely ignoring all the batshit disconnected crap she is spreading herself.
Like... ignoring that she knows nothing about a topic,
while at the same time trying to make it look like she does.
And then it's the other person who doesn't.
Funny.
Anyhow... away from the troll and hater, back on topic.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:12:42 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:Hi, Kalissa. I won't vouch for the rest of the team, but, personally, I chose this organization to work with because it gives me a very convenient schedule with no CTAs and other obligations so common in nullsec alliances and a unique kind of gameplay that cannot be found in any other region in EVE. I've written about it in the past, so I will make a reference to a post in a different thread, but, to sum it up, the well-known barriers against aggression in highsec create the environment optimal for piracy in its traditional meaning, involving expectation of safety on behalf of the victim and the readiness of the criminal to exploit it while using the loopholes in the security system. As for miner ganking, I've come to seeing it as a nice little metagame, just like Providence freeports or Gevlon's anti-Goon crusade. It creates conflict, and conflict is good for business. The purpose of the New Order as a whole is to provide a counterbalance against the demands of die-hard carebears to turn highsec into a safezone, the likes of which are common in other MMOs. If EVE is ever to have a safezone, it must have no asteroids to mine, no missions to do, and no stations to trade in, since the risk/reward ratio is what keeps the system running.
Very excellent response and good post in the "Sad Sate of Empire Space". I don't agree with your stance personally, but that is me and for CCP to address if they choose to. My purpose here to just to learn more and maybe get educated on the Code. For your honest answer I appreciate it.
I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how someone would go about 'fixing' Highsec as that inst my question or my desire to learn. Im more curious on the Code - which you addressed a little at the end. To make Highsec less safe. I suppose the counter would be no mission runner PvE person is going to expose their bling knowing their ship could die - but I dont know why people run missions anyway. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
517
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:16:38 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though. So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment. I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works.
There is no "fake".
It's a game!
The actual reason for the saviour thing was that it
helped recruiting back then, before the New Order got ... turned ... into CODE.
It's fun for many people to follow a leader. People like that. And it makes perfect sense
in a game like this. CODE has rather ... hmm .... disconnected RP, but it works.
In any sense it seems that "It's a game" a swers most of your questions.
The bigger one though seems to be: Why do you ask?
"Just curious" isn't an answer.
Also it's funny how you state "You are free doing what you are doing" ...
... it's not like you could stop anyone anyway. *snickers xD*
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:25:52 -
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They are sort of like a cross between Scientology and ISIS. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:26:07 -
[22] - Quote
Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.
What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:26:42 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though. So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment. I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works. There is no "fake". It's a game! The actual reason for the saviour thing was that it helped recruiting back then, before the New Order got ... turned ... into CODE. It's fun for many people to follow a leader. People like that. And it makes perfect sense in a game like this. CODE has rather ... hmm .... disconnected RP, but it works. In any sense it seems that "It's a game" a swers most of your questions. The bigger one though seems to be: Why do you ask? "Just curious" isn't an answer.
I think the original post is clear on why I am asking about the Code and CODE and what their goals are. I like to learn new things and see what people are thinking. Be that RP reasons, Meta reasons, etc.
There can be lots of fake in a game. I can say one thing and then do another different than what I said I was going to do all within the game. Just like how CODE has a Code, but its meaningless because it isn't followed. The Code is thus fake and is just the base used for the RP, as your just said its fun to follow the leader and the RP works. Even if the RP is based on a Code which CODE itself does not follow.
Hard to take an organization serious when they do not follow a set of rules or a Code - especially when they have a Code on a website maintained by the "leader'.
So to your question, I answered why i want to know. The response on the desire for Code is to cause mayhem and bring 'balance' to high-sec. Many people would consider that balance like how Anakin Skywalker brought balance to the force, and all within the game affecting other peoples game.
How about a return question, Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:35:07 -
[24] - Quote
I can not answer that question.
Times change. Back during my active time,
the answer would have been:
People are being shot, because it's stupid to be afk in space
in something easily shootable. Also I do not understand how CODE isn't following their CODE...
... but it would be hilarious to have a CODE member shoot down another one for being afk in space! xD
The balance issue, anyway, has to do with people
who are rather disconnected from reality.
See the above person.
They see hate and griefers everywhere and call gankers sociopaths
and mknsters and whatnot, while actually being the most hatespewing of them all.
They want highsec to be safe, because that's what's needed to make the weak,
spoiled, disconnected people happy. That's those who identify so much with i game activities,
that they completely tick off if you shatter their pretend reality.
People like the hater above pretend to be good people
who want to make the game easier accessible for those
who are not cut out for it... essentially changing the whole game.
Unlike the hater I do not advise to ignore. Instead listen for clues
which tell where the person really is coming from.
Only haters tell you to ignore someone ...
... because that's the only way they have to deal with those who call them out.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Paranoid Loyd
4545
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:35:55 -
[25] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
44947
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:42:39 -
[26] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!
Indeed. It got me worried for GD already. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:44:04 -
[27] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.
What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^
Had you spent a couple of minutes to do your research, you would have known that it is the thief who shouts the loudest about a stolen bag.
I scammed a combat ship from a (potential) anti-ganker that day. The execution of the plan was beyond parody, and I only got slightly more than 100 million ISK in assets - hardly worth the time I spent on it - but it was my first scam, and I was hopping around the room like an Easter bunny when I cut it.
This fail-fit ship still sits in Hek, untouched, as a reminder of my little triumph. |
Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:44:21 -
[28] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict.
Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
520
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:45:57 -
[29] - Quote
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.
What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^ Had you spent a couple of minutes to do your research, you would have known that it is the thief who shouts the loudest about a stolen bag. I scammed a combat ship from a (potential) anti-ganker that day. The execution of the plan was beyond parody, and I only got slightly more than 100 million ISK in assets - hardly worth the time I spent on it - but it was my first scam, and I was hopping around the room like an Easter bunny when I cut it. This fail-fit ship still sits in Hek, untouched, as a reminder of my little triumph.
Hahahahaha congrats! ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:48:56 -
[30] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
Conflicts fuels the economy.
Conflicts make the game interesting and different.
Or: Why not?
Edit: You edited your post and I didn't notice.
Also... wrong. Highsec was not designed not to have conflict.
Assuming this makes no sense and you need a source for that claim,
because ingame reality clearly shows otherwise.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:51:47 -
[31] - Quote
If CCP really wanted high sec to be "anti-conflict" they would have made it impossible for players even to target and attack other players in high sec. |
Paranoid Loyd
4547
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:53:35 -
[32] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
It's not the question you asked but the way you asked it that shows what you really think. I refer you to my first post in this thread.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Avaelica Kuershin
19
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:54:13 -
[33] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
Ultimately because it is a game of the sandbox type. Not a themepark and most certainly not a place for 'gold-farmers' to afk in.
(RP) As to CODE... They are a necessary evil rather like the Amarrian Empire. Liberties are hard won.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:57:03 -
[34] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such? It's not the question you asked but the way you asked it that shows what you really think. I refer you to my first post in this thread. I agree... but let's keep this going.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8311
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:00:03 -
[35] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.
Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma:
Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite.
Anything CODE can safely be ignored.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
541
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:00:32 -
[36] - Quote
Manifesto I
Manifesto II
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:02:00 -
[37] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.
Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma: Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite. Anything CODE can safely be ignored. Mr Epeen
Please don't talk like that ass on the first page.
You are better than that.
Advising ignornance is a dumb and hatefull thing to do.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8311
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:04:46 -
[38] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.
Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma: Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite. Anything CODE can safely be ignored. Mr Epeen Please don't talk like that ass on the first page. You are better than that. Advising ignornance is a dumb and hatefull thing to do.
Please tell me you didn't actually buy shares, Sol.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
44947
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:06:05 -
[39] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.
Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma: Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite. Anything CODE can safely be ignored. Mr Epeen
Every time I think you might be a reasonable poster, you turn up and post something like this. |
Paranoid Loyd
4547
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:07:23 -
[40] - Quote
Hengle Teron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.
Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma: Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite. Anything CODE can safely be ignored. Mr Epeen Every time I think you might be a reasonable poster, you turn up and post something like this.
And that's exactly why he posts things like this. 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
524
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:09:35 -
[41] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like.
Here's all you need to understand about James and his CODE dogma: Miner bumping is a scam set up to take a ton of ISK from stupid people while at the same time promoting risk free PVP and trying to sell it as somehow elite. Anything CODE can safely be ignored. Mr Epeen Please don't talk like that ass on the first page. You are better than that. Advising ignornance is a dumb and hatefull thing to do. Please tell me you didn't actually buy shares, Sol. Mr Epeen
I would never. :)
Still ... there needs to be a line that seperates
actual people from the haters and it shouldn't be too blurry.
In general, advising ignorance is a bad and hatefull thing to do.
It spawns only more ignorance and you yourself see what that brings us.
More haters.
More stupid.
More self entitlement.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
26429
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:09:37 -
[42] - Quote
All these RP references in CODE threads make me cringe.
I mean, sure, technically we're all RPing to some extent when we login but nothing worse than when someone notices you're a RPer and says something like "Oh, RP? Yeah I met some CODE guys once."
*headdesk*
Please don't confuse it with the 'dedicated' RP community itself, per say.
Having said that, I have no problem with what CODE does personally. A lot of us love blowing things up just because it's there and enjoy attaching fun reasoning to it. At the end of the day no part of space is ever meant to be completely safe and people like blowing other people up everywhere in EVE for essentially the same reason. It's fun, and conflict is what this game is about.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
Jack Miton > everyone knows im the best dusette
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
524
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:11:16 -
[43] - Quote
Banana. ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
292
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:14:14 -
[44] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
It's a game. Do you understand that? If yes, do you understand that in a game there is kind of a point to play followers of a cult, when the game allows you to do so for fun? Just checking if you are one of those wackos who can't seperate game from RL ...... And the fee exists because GMs demanded it. There is a thread about bumping in C&P. Not sure why you are quoting me here as I am not opposed to CODEs originally stated goal - I think it is a very valiant position to take. I do take issue with how the mandate has grown such that the original vision of CODE no longer applies. But as the Code says it is a living document and subject to change. I believe we all know that EVE is a game and everyone is able to play how they want in the sandbox. I never said that CODE should not do what pleases it. You have to have fun. The argument these threads normally get to is that their fun is wrecking my fun - which is a valid statement. How is real life applicable to anything in EVE? Why bring this up? So if someone pays 10 mil to CODE, is there some database you enter the name in and you cant be ganked anymore? Is that even a realistic thing that would be recognized by the GM? Is there some link to prove this statement? I'm not complaining about bumping or being ganked. I am simply asking to what end does the CODE serve other than to justify to their selves ganking people.
Maybe it has evolved beyond the control of james315. Like the experiment in 'The Wave' getting out of hand. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
822
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:15:02 -
[45] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
You need to check your premises. Highsec was always intended to have conflict - that is why CCP put ganking and wardecs into the game. They are not mistakes and have been there from the beginning.
Ganking could be removed from highsec with no effort at all on CCP's side yet they don't. Why? Because highsec ISK not intended to be safesec.
There are very good reasons related to risk vs. reward as to why there should not be a risk- and conflict-free in a sandbox game which James 315 covers better than I could in his manifestos and elsewhere. But the main point is that many people, including the developers at CCP, think the game is better off with risk and conflict in highsec. |
Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
135
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:15:17 -
[46] - Quote
I personally thought they just liked the idea of shooting miners and freighters because they avoid taking part in any other aspect of the game. This was an attempt at getting them out of their shell perhaps? And perhaps it was also to create content? |
Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:25:27 -
[47] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such? You need to check your premises. Highsec was always intended to have conflict - that is why CCP put ganking and wardecs into the game. They are not mistakes and have been there from the beginning. Ganking could be removed from highsec with no effort at all on CCP's side yet they don't. Why? Because highsec ISK not intended to be safesec. There are very good reasons related to risk vs. reward as to why there should not be a risk- and conflict-free in a sandbox game which James 315 covers better than I could in his manifestos and elsewhere. But the main point is that many people, including the developers at CCP, think the game is better off with risk and conflict in highsec.
He actually does not cover it better, hence the original question. |
Paranoid Loyd
4547
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:28:53 -
[48] - Quote
Did you read the manifestos John linked? You couldn't possibly "cover" it any better than that.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1386
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:33:11 -
[49] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Did you read the manifestos John linked? You couldn't possibly "cover" it any better than that.
James' manifestos are really rather lacking in content compared to their word count. I'd hate to sentence anyone to trudge through them for deeper meaning. |
Paranoid Loyd
4548
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:38:59 -
[50] - Quote
Yes, I know reading lots of words is hard and it's even harder to read between the lines.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:39:54 -
[51] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Did you read the manifestos John linked? You couldn't possibly "cover" it any better than that.
Sure did. One is from 2011 the other from 2012 and deal only with mining and how everyone in high sec should die because they could be or may as well be bots. Near the end of his second manifesto it talks about why.
Now they are long, he likes to use really long sentence structures which is fine, hes preaching, but lets ask the serious question. What does High Sec look like when all the PvE is gone?
Where would you rather be? In sov protected by known friends and enemies and the ability to fight back or stuck in high sec where you cant fight back without going full boar war dec.
I see that as my problem with it all. If you could be proactive and kill CODE before they got to -5 then sure, but you can't/ And I dont mean to limit that statement to CODE, that is not a fair comment. The ability to be proactive against anyone of negative standing regardless if they are criminal or not.
I shouldn't even have to think about if Id rather mission protected by CONCORD or in Sov. Now CONCORD isn't protection, its Punishment, but it does not really punish at all when you get down to the risk isk reward part of it all. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
985
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:39:59 -
[52] - Quote
I have yet to see definite proof that CODE ganks miners that obey and adhere to THE CODE. What I do see, though, is miners that believe paying 10 million ISK allows them to continue their AFK-behavior.
Now I am not a member of CODE but I do think that not holding a mining permit while doing at-keyboard mining in a properly fitted ship is a lot more important than the other way round.
That said, miners also seem unable to understand that CODE might actually work in their favour by eliminating their competition and thus potentially raising the mineral prices. Instead, apparently most miners choose to cling to some unwarranted "solitarity"....
Hell, if I would ever actually start mining (not likely), I would set up a second account just to gank anyone else mining in my belt.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:45:09 -
[53] - Quote
Nerath Naaris wrote:I have yet to see definite proof that CODE ganks miners that obey and adhere to THE CODE. What I do see, though, is miners that believe paying 10 million ISK allows them to continue their AFK-behavior.
Now I am not a member of CODE but I do think that not holding a mining permit while doing at-keyboard mining in a properly fitted ship is a lot more important than the other way round.
That said, miners also seem unable to understand that CODE might actually work in their favour by eliminating their competition and thus potentially raising the mineral prices. Instead, apparently most miners choose to cling to some unwarranted "solitarity"....
Hell, if I would ever actually start mining (not likely), I would set up a second account just to gank anyone else mining in my belt.
Well it was said earlier that the Code is actually meaningless to CODE. So 10 mill or not, if they want to they will gank you for just being there. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1386
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:45:57 -
[54] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Yes, I know reading lots of words is hard and it's even harder to read between the lines.
I've read them both. It wasn't hard, there just wasn't anything there to justify the time investment. Maybe because James takes a strange detour from the simple reasoning that ganking is part of the game and thus in need of no justification. |
Paranoid Loyd
4548
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:48:39 -
[55] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Did you read the manifestos John linked? You couldn't possibly "cover" it any better than that. Sure did. One is from 2011 the other from 2012 and deal only with mining and how everyone in high sec should die because they could be or may as well be bots. Near the end of his second manifesto it talks about why. Now they are long, he likes to use really long sentence structures which is fine, hes preaching, but lets ask the serious question. What does High Sec look like when all the PvE is gone? Where would you rather be? In sov protected by known friends and enemies and the ability to fight back or stuck in high sec where you cant fight back without going full boar war dec.
If these are your thoughts after reading what he wrote, you either didn't read what he wrote or you did but failed to understand it.
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
I see that as my problem with it all. If you could be proactive and kill CODE before they got to -5 then sure, but you can't/ And I dont mean to limit that statement to CODE, that is not a fair comment. The ability to be proactive against anyone of negative standing regardless if they are criminal or not.
I shouldn't even have to think about if Id rather mission protected by CONCORD or in Sov. Now CONCORD isn't protection, its Punishment, but it does not really punish at all when you get down to the risk isk reward part of it all.
I shoot criminals, not all the time but I do, usually when they are annoying me and occasionally when there is nothing else around to shoot. It's really not hard to hunt them, but it does require more effort than shooting rocks.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:50:32 -
[56] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:...snip...
I admit I may miss his point because he meanders alot and never says anything directly.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
537
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:06:15 -
[57] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Did you read the manifestos John linked? You couldn't possibly "cover" it any better than that. Sure did. One is from 2011 the other from 2012 and deal only with mining and how everyone in high sec should die because they could be or may as well be bots. Near the end of his second manifesto it talks about why. Now they are long, he likes to use really long sentence structures which is fine, hes preaching, but lets ask the serious question. What does High Sec look like when all the PvE is gone? Where would you rather be? In sov protected by known friends and enemies and the ability to fight back or stuck in high sec where you cant fight back without going full boar war dec. I see that as my problem with it all. If you could be proactive and kill CODE before they got to -5 then sure, but you can't/ And I dont mean to limit that statement to CODE, that is not a fair comment. The ability to be proactive against anyone of negative standing regardless if they are criminal or not. I shouldn't even have to think about if Id rather mission protected by CONCORD or in Sov. Now CONCORD isn't protection, its Punishment, but it does not really punish at all when you get down to the risk isk reward part of it all.
Everyone can fight back.
People can group up.
People can create alts to gank the gankers,
or gank the lootwrecks if it's gate gankers.
AFK people generally can't be proactive though ...
... and thus they die, because they should have known better.
People asking for more security are those who deserve it the least,
because they are the ones neglecting it in the first place.
This is the most important part the haters conviniently ignore.
Furthermore isn't there enough suicide ganking going on to halt anything at all.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
230
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:14:49 -
[58] - Quote
Jade Blackwind wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:what is it that CODE desires Highsec to be like? I think they want it removed.
Then they would have no content. I would think they rather enjoy their killmail farm.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1511
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:21:15 -
[59] - Quote
Haven't been keeping up....is this different enough from other code/ganking threads to warrent a read?
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Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:21:22 -
[60] - Quote
Hopefully with the introduction of new structures, but more importantly the modules you can place in said structures, gradually we will see a decline, an eventual elimination of, "security" rated space
I envision the full of New Eden being nothing but Null space with us the players having the tools to build an have our space the way wee want it, the quicker the illusion of hi and low security is dispersed the better.
I've also been known to be really wrong alot :D |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
12542
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:23:06 -
[61] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:
Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
Every part of this game, minus the starter systems, was designed to be in conflict.
The economy simply doesn't work otherwise.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Paranoid Loyd
4552
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:26:06 -
[62] - Quote
Ned Thomas wrote:Haven't been keeping up....is this different enough from other code/ganking threads to warrent a read?
FWIW, I am somewhat convinced this is not a CODE alt.
But no, pretty much same old same. Either doesn't understand that this is not real life or can't deal with the fact that RL morals and logic have no bearing in the conversation.
Sol said he wanted to keep playing so I kept playing.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:28:46 -
[63] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Haven't been keeping up....is this different enough from other code/ganking threads to warrent a read? FWIW, I am somewhat convinced this is not a CODE alt. But no, pretty much same old same. Either doesn't understand that this is not real life or can't deal with the fact that RL morals and logic have no bearing in the conversation. Sol said he wanted to keep playing so I kept playing.
Not a CODE alt, but I do appreciate all of the comments and answers. This helps me understand the motives better. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
537
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:30:05 -
[64] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Haven't been keeping up....is this different enough from other code/ganking threads to warrent a read? FWIW, I am somewhat convinced this is not a CODE alt. But no, pretty much same old same. Either doesn't understand that this is not real life or can't deal with the fact that RL morals and logic have no bearing in the conversation. Sol said he wanted to keep playing so I kept playing.
Thanks. :)
You know what's interesting?
Without haters around, even CODE works as topic.
Purely coincidential, right?
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
693
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:42:18 -
[65] - Quote
CODE is an elite role playing guild that came to us from Second Life. They desire to write walls of text. Their goal for hisec is the complete eradication of all furries with tails. But tail-less and winged furries in S&M gear are permitted. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1512
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:44:31 -
[66] - Quote
Unezka Turigahl wrote:CODE is an elite role playing guild that came to us from Second Life. They desire to write walls of text. Their goal for hisec is the complete eradication of all furries with tails. But tail-less and winged furries in S&M gear are permitted.
I would visit this theme park.
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Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:48:26 -
[67] - Quote
Unezka Turigahl wrote:CODE is an elite role playing guild that came to us from Second Life. They desire to write walls of text. Their goal for hisec is the complete eradication of all furries with tails. But tail-less and winged furries in S&M gear are permitted.
With a title of 'Desires of the New Order', this thread was very disappointing until you showed up. Thanks for getting us back on topic! |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
539
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Posted - 2015.04.06 22:51:02 -
[68] - Quote
Hippinse wrote:Unezka Turigahl wrote:CODE is an elite role playing guild that came to us from Second Life. They desire to write walls of text. Their goal for hisec is the complete eradication of all furries with tails. But tail-less and winged furries in S&M gear are permitted. With a title of 'Desires of the New Order', this thread was very disappointing until you showed up. Thanks for getting us back on topic!
Dude, you look like you should avoid your local star for a while.......
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1228
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:01:35 -
[69] - Quote
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:... The purpose of the New Order as a whole is to provide a counterbalance against the demands of die-hard carebears to turn highsec into a safezone, .... ... and yet the methods that Code uses tends to push CCP into making High Sec safer.
James 315 only made up the The Order because when he was bumping miners to see if they were AFK or not, he was given a warning by a GM for harassment but was also told that if he were to roleplay or find an extortion angle then he could go about his merry business without repercussions.
So, he probably got drunk and invented as much rubbish as he could that would cover him while he did what he really wanted.
No sane person could take that nonsense seriously, surely?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Griefer Eve
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:07:04 -
[70] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
No sane person could take that nonsense seriously, surely?
That begs the question: How seriously does one take the game? |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1512
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:10:51 -
[71] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:... The purpose of the New Order as a whole is to provide a counterbalance against the demands of die-hard carebears to turn highsec into a safezone, .... ... and yet the methods that Code uses tends to push CCP into making High Sec safer. James 315 only made up the The Order because when he was bumping miners to see if they were AFK or not, he was given a warning by a GM for harassment but was also told that if he were to roleplay or find an extortion angle then he could go about his merry business without repercussions. So, he probably got drunk and invented as much rubbish as he could that would cover him while he did what he really wanted. No sane person could take that nonsense seriously, surely?
Told to find a way to tie the activity into the game.
Found a way to tie the activity into the game.
Sounds sane to me.
Also, this refutes any claim that code is an extortion racket as they were forced to come up with an isk angle. Has that kind of requirement been made of any other in game activity?
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1387
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:12:54 -
[72] - Quote
Griefer Eve wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
No sane person could take that nonsense seriously, surely?
That begs the question: How seriously does one take the game?
Apparently quite seriously if the fact that these threads can even occur and persist beyond a single page is any indication. |
Paranoid Loyd
4552
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:17:04 -
[73] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Yes, I know reading lots of words is hard and it's even harder to read between the lines. aka making it up. "What do you think the author meant when they said the flowers were blue like the shadows of a snow capped mountain." "That the flowers were blue." "No! Don't you see it is meant to be an expression of how people relate to each other? The mood of the flowers and their proximity in the vase?"
Thank you for demonstrating that no matter how hard we try, people of a certain mindset are simply not capable of getting "it" or even being able to understand what "it" is.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1228
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:18:10 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Griefer Eve wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: No sane person could take that nonsense seriously, surely? That begs the question: How seriously does one take the game? Apparently quite seriously if the fact that these threads can even occur and persist beyond a single page is any indication. The frequency that I post on the forums is tied to my boredom levels. It doesn't help but it does distract a little.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1388
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:45:17 -
[75] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Yes, I know reading lots of words is hard and it's even harder to read between the lines. aka making it up. "What do you think the author meant when they said the flowers were blue like the shadows of a snow capped mountain." "That the flowers were blue." "No! Don't you see it is meant to be an expression of how people relate to each other? The mood of the flowers and their proximity in the vase?" Thank you for demonstrating that people of a certain mindset are simply not capable of getting "it" or even being able to understand what "it" is.
What's strange to me is the idea that there is an "it" to get. James made a pair of meta rants about bots and "bot-aspirants" to fuel an RP crusade against miners. It needed no justification and largely likely has no real goal save the same reason anyone else does anything within the game, because they find the gameplay associated in some way fulfilling. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
540
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:57:13 -
[76] - Quote
You get "it".
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:11:31 -
[77] - Quote
The purpose of CODE. on the face of it is to get miners to not be afk and to tank properly.
Below the surface its really The Mittani's eternal vow of Hulkageddon. Since the much needed exhumer hp buff Hulkageddon has been dead (rot in hell ******).
James 315 is The Mittani. CODE. is ultimately a Goon / CFC alt corp for drones who get bored of doing nothing in nullsec but grinding anoms or pressing F1 in massive blop "pvp".
To sum it up. CODE. is a place for douches to be, well, douches. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1228
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:15:09 -
[78] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:... To sum it up. CODE. is ... You forgot to mention something about justifications and slapping each other on the back. 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2660
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:23:46 -
[79] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:The purpose of CODE. on the face of it is to get miners to not be afk and to tank properly.
Below the surface its really The Mittani's eternal vow of Hulkageddon. Since the much needed exhumer hp buff Hulkageddon has been dead (rot in hell ******).
James 315 is The Mittani. CODE. is ultimately a Goon / CFC alt corp for drones who get bored of doing nothing in nullsec but grinding anoms or pressing F1 in massive blop "pvp".
To sum it up. CODE. is a place for douches to be, well, douches.
Calm down, miner.
@ISD, can't we get a CODE / New Order sticky? As loyal as I am to the Order, it's a permanent state of whack-a-mole trying to keep tabs on all the glorious threads about as that keep popping up.
Praise James!
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Legion Masser
Rage-Machine
25
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:25:43 -
[80] - Quote
Hahaha oh I love EVE!
Some crazy delusional Spaceship Jesus wannabe creates a pseudo religious cult based on Hi Sec mining gospels that he himself wrote, Hilariously epic and priceless and it gets better !
Someone then harmlessly asks WHY?
and the overwhelming response is
"Take it easy with all your WHY questions GAWD! this isn't real life , get a grip buddy, its just a game, people like you shouldn't play EVE cuz ya cant accept its just a game - cant you differentiate between EVE n real life? GAWd leave Space Ship Jesus alone you filthy carebear "
Meanwhile there's some dude in a basement somewhere hand writing The New Eve Testament with a giant Titan shaped fountain pen holding open auditions for his 12 disciples.
Hahaha
and the The game of the Rapture Award goes to ...................
GÿóGÿóGÿóGÿóGÿóGÿóGÿó- Your Anger is a Gift -GÿóGÿóGÿóGÿóGÿóGÿóGÿó Do you even Titan? GÿóGÿóGÿó Potato GÿóGÿóGÿóLemonGÿóGÿóGÿóToaster
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
541
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:25:57 -
[81] - Quote
Wow, 2012 called.....
... said something about, uhm .... *reads notes*
... James being Mittani and wanting that line back ......
Also said that I'm Poetic Stenzel,
Erotica actually is James,
Chribba is James,
James is actually James,
SOMER is RMTing,
Ninja salvagers,
Xenuria is nuts and something something post Incarna.
Too tired to come up with more.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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beakerax
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:32:32 -
[82] - Quote
The New Order is a plot by wealthy commodities traders to drive up the price of tinfoil. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1514
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:35:12 -
[83] - Quote
beakerax wrote:The New Order is a plot by wealthy commodities traders to drive up the price of tinfoil.
This is the greatest explanation I've ever seen. I vote it be the official one.
Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers!
Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2663
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:39:50 -
[84] - Quote
beakerax wrote:The New Order is a plot by wealthy commodities traders to drive up the price of tinfoil.
You'll never prove it - we have excellent space-lawyers.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
12544
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:42:19 -
[85] - Quote
admiral root wrote:beakerax wrote:The New Order is a plot by wealthy commodities traders to drive up the price of tinfoil. You'll never prove it - we have excellent space-lawyers.
They're just not allowed to practice law in France.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1228
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Posted - 2015.04.07 00:45:46 -
[86] - Quote
Legion Masser wrote:Hahaha oh I love EVE!
Some crazy delusional Spaceship Jesus wannabe creates a pseudo religious cult based on Hi Sec mining gospels that he himself wrote, Hilariously epic and priceless and it gets better !
Someone then harmlessly asks WHY?
and the overwhelming response is
"Take it easy with all your WHY questions GAWD! this isn't real life , get a grip buddy, its just a game, people like you shouldn't play EVE cuz ya cant accept its just a game - cant you differentiate between EVE n real life? GAWd leave Space Ship Jesus alone you filthy carebear "
Meanwhile there's some dude in a basement somewhere hand writing The New Eve Testament with a giant Titan shaped fountain pen holding open auditions for his 12 disciples.
Hahaha
and the The game of the Rapture Award goes to ................... Hahahahaa 
We should tell a news site about these crazy people. They put it in the news about the Jedi cult being a recognised group.
Imagine the headlines?
"Space Cult want to kick puppies"
"The new messiah is a basement creature"
Et cetera.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
.
High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Zealous Miner
111
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Posted - 2015.04.07 02:49:48 -
[87] - Quote
I would like to publicly thank James 315 for saving me.
Long live the Savior and the New Order.
www.minerbumping.com
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
342
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Posted - 2015.04.07 03:40:11 -
[88] - Quote
I feel so extraordinary
Something's got a hold on me
I get this feeling I'm in motion
A sudden sense of liberty
I don't care 'cause I'm not there
And I don't care if I'm here tomorrow
Again and again I've taken too much
Of the things that cost you too much
I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun...
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2015.04.07 03:42:17 -
[89] - Quote
Zealous Miner wrote:I would like to publicly thank James 315 for saving me.
Long live the Savior and the New Order.
Don't sniff Arkonor, makes your skin go pale. 
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
102
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Posted - 2015.04.07 05:12:33 -
[90] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
WRONG. As per the EvE Online New Player FAQ Part 5.3, and i qoute, "In EvE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no matter where they happen to be.".
Very literal. so basically the Code, New Order, Marmites or any other player can gank/kill/blob anybody for no reason at all. Don't look in to it too much, it's a GAME. Over thinking someting too much is NOT healthy.
Just Add Water
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
5258
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Posted - 2015.04.07 05:32:51 -
[91] - Quote
Quote:Forum rules5. Trolling is prohibited.Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Oh hey, this thread again.
Closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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