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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:15:29 -
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So there I was minding my own business happily strip mining an asteroid in High Sec when all of a sudden a member of CODE attempts to gank my ship. He failed, I scooped his loot and continued on my merry way mining GÇô not totally unphased.
I knew of CODE from some of the threads James315 has started and from seeing them mentioned in the past; however, I never had the honor of being attacked before. With my new found attention I read up what I could find on CODE mostly from the Minningbumping site and through the links provided there. Besides being out of date I am curious about something.
I cannot admit to having read 100% of what is out there or retaining 100% of what I read, but I donGÇÖt recall seeing anywhere in the manifestos from James315 what he wants Highsec to be like. Sure there is a healthy ability to talk a lot, and hate on miners but what is it that CODE desires Highsec to be like?
High Sec is pretty much the carebears arena and besides setting the world on fire I have never read anything which proves how they want it to function at all GÇô other than no one should PvE there. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1224
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:23:05 -
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It is a cult with some popular ideas that they can repeat in chants.
You will have them in here soon talking like those pests, that knock on your door on a Sunday morning, soon.
The Order is their divine text full of logical holes but pushed on everyone that gives them the time of day.
There is no logic to a cult.
Relax and ignore them like most everyone else does.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2223
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:28:43 -
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A thorough description of CODE's 3 phase planGäó. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
513
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:31:42 -
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FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
513
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:33:52 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:It is a cult with some popular ideas that they can repeat in chants.
You will have them in here soon talking like those pests, that knock on your door on a Sunday morning, soon.
The Order is their divine text full of logical holes but pushed on everyone that gives them the time of day.
There is no logic to a cult.
Relax and ignore them like most everyone else does.
You are talking about yourself... which is quite funny.
You do that often, actually.
You see things in others, which can be attributed to yourself.
I admit I failed to make a list, mostly because it's not worth it.
In any way... it's called Projection (psychology).
You might want to look it up,
but better walk over Dunning and Krueger who will do their best to stop you.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1509
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:35:44 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!
I was starting to get worried.
Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers!
Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:36:20 -
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I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
514
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:43:11 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
It's a game.
Do you understand that?
If yes, do you understand that in a game there is kind of a point to play
followers of a cult, when the game allows you to do so for fun?
Just checking if you are one of those wackos who can't seperate game from RL ......
And the fee exists because GMs demanded it.
There is a thread about bumping in C&P.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
230
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:49:41 -
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Content creators follow the population density.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:51:58 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:I donGÇÖt necessarily have anything negative to say about them ganking what looks like a valid bot. It is when you carry that attitude to all people in high sec are helping bots by allowing bots to hide in plain sight I think they have lost their way.
Why not just admit that they are a high sec suicide squad there to cause mayhem, because that is what they currently do according to their killboard. Based on what I have read on the site my alt wasnGÇÖt even offered an opportunity to pay the 10 mill a year. So low I presume itGÇÖs a joke and a scam for those stupid enough to pay it.
It's a game. Do you understand that? If yes, do you understand that in a game there is kind of a point to play followers of a cult, when the game allows you to do so for fun? Just checking if you are one of those wackos who can't seperate game from RL ...... And the fee exists because GMs demanded it. There is a thread about bumping in C&P.
Not sure why you are quoting me here as I am not opposed to CODEs originally stated goal - I think it is a very valiant position to take. I do take issue with how the mandate has grown such that the original vision of CODE no longer applies. But as the Code says it is a living document and subject to change.
I believe we all know that EVE is a game and everyone is able to play how they want in the sandbox. I never said that CODE should not do what pleases it. You have to have fun. The argument these threads normally get to is that their fun is wrecking my fun - which is a valid statement.
How is real life applicable to anything in EVE? Why bring this up?
So if someone pays 10 mil to CODE, is there some database you enter the name in and you cant be ganked anymore? Is that even a realistic thing that would be recognized by the GM? Is there some link to prove this statement?
I'm not complaining about bumping or being ganked. I am simply asking to what end does the CODE serve other than to justify to their selves ganking people. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
338
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:55:53 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:what is it that CODE desires Highsec to be like? I am much more interested in the answer, what all the CODE members (and highsec wardeccers, etc.) would do if highsec as such was removed altogether.
Just imagine it. Patch downloads, bang - no CONCORD, sov nullsec everywhere, every NPC station is a conquerable outpost owned by Interbus, delayed local everywhere, as in wormholes. Shocked carebears and noobs are speechless, undock into bubbles, are slaughtered, quit en masse. Goons move in into Jita. The markets collapse. In a month or two, all former NPC space is mopped up and divided between the power blocs and their renters.
In six months, EVE population is down to 60-80k subs.
In two years,
Paradise.
Right?
hehe
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2015.04.06 19:59:05 -
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Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Paranoid Loyd
4545
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:00:14 -
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If you truly understand it is just a game, then questioning their stated goals would quite obviously be idiotic. Methinks you don't understand it's just a game.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:02:35 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:If you truly understand it is just a game, then questioning their stated goals would quite obviously be idiotic. Methinks you don't understand it's just a game.
I agree ... and there is an undertone ...
... but why can't we at least try ...............
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1225
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:03:40 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:In any way... it's called Projection (psychology).
You might want to look it up,
but better walk over Dunning and Krueger who will do their best to stop you. ... and it is here that you see a troll in their natural habitat, spouting off pseudo psychology that they have learned from Wikipedia and other trolls.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:04:04 -
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Hi, Kalissa.
I won't vouch for the rest of the team, but, personally, I chose this organization to work with because it gives me a very convenient schedule with no CTAs and other obligations so common in nullsec alliances and a unique kind of gameplay that cannot be found in any other region in EVE.
I've written about it in the past, so I will make a reference to a post in a different thread, but, to sum it up, the well-known barriers against aggression in highsec create the environment optimal for piracy in its traditional meaning, involving expectation of safety on behalf of the victim and the readiness of the criminal to exploit it while using the loopholes in the security system.
As for miner ganking, I've come to seeing it as a nice little metagame, just like Providence freeports or Gevlon's anti-Goon crusade. It creates conflict, and conflict is good for business.
The purpose of the New Order as a whole is to provide a counterbalance against the demands of die-hard carebears to turn highsec into a safezone, the likes of which are common in other MMOs. If EVE is ever to have a safezone, it must have no asteroids to mine, no missions to do, and no stations to trade in, since the risk/reward ratio is what keeps the system running. |
Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:06:00 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though.
So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment.
I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:10:38 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:In any way... it's called Projection (psychology).
You might want to look it up,
but better walk over Dunning and Krueger who will do their best to stop you. ... and it is here that you see a troll in their natural habitat, spouting off pseudo psychology that they have learned from Wikipedia and other trolls.
And here is a person incapable of doing anything else,
while completely ignoring all the batshit disconnected crap she is spreading herself.
Like... ignoring that she knows nothing about a topic,
while at the same time trying to make it look like she does.
And then it's the other person who doesn't.
Funny.
Anyhow... away from the troll and hater, back on topic.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:12:42 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:Hi, Kalissa. I won't vouch for the rest of the team, but, personally, I chose this organization to work with because it gives me a very convenient schedule with no CTAs and other obligations so common in nullsec alliances and a unique kind of gameplay that cannot be found in any other region in EVE. I've written about it in the past, so I will make a reference to a post in a different thread, but, to sum it up, the well-known barriers against aggression in highsec create the environment optimal for piracy in its traditional meaning, involving expectation of safety on behalf of the victim and the readiness of the criminal to exploit it while using the loopholes in the security system. As for miner ganking, I've come to seeing it as a nice little metagame, just like Providence freeports or Gevlon's anti-Goon crusade. It creates conflict, and conflict is good for business. The purpose of the New Order as a whole is to provide a counterbalance against the demands of die-hard carebears to turn highsec into a safezone, the likes of which are common in other MMOs. If EVE is ever to have a safezone, it must have no asteroids to mine, no missions to do, and no stations to trade in, since the risk/reward ratio is what keeps the system running.
Very excellent response and good post in the "Sad Sate of Empire Space". I don't agree with your stance personally, but that is me and for CCP to address if they choose to. My purpose here to just to learn more and maybe get educated on the Code. For your honest answer I appreciate it.
I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how someone would go about 'fixing' Highsec as that inst my question or my desire to learn. Im more curious on the Code - which you addressed a little at the end. To make Highsec less safe. I suppose the counter would be no mission runner PvE person is going to expose their bling knowing their ship could die - but I dont know why people run missions anyway. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
517
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:16:38 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though. So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment. I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works.
There is no "fake".
It's a game!
The actual reason for the saviour thing was that it
helped recruiting back then, before the New Order got ... turned ... into CODE.
It's fun for many people to follow a leader. People like that. And it makes perfect sense
in a game like this. CODE has rather ... hmm .... disconnected RP, but it works.
In any sense it seems that "It's a game" a swers most of your questions.
The bigger one though seems to be: Why do you ask?
"Just curious" isn't an answer.
Also it's funny how you state "You are free doing what you are doing" ...
... it's not like you could stop anyone anyway. *snickers xD*
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:25:52 -
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They are sort of like a cross between Scientology and ISIS. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:26:07 -
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Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.
What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:26:42 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Well ... many who complain, so far nothing you have done,
seem to be incapable of seperating the game from RL.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for our questions.
Having a mining permit does not prevent you from getting ganked.
CODE aren't the only gankers out there.
They also do not need justification.
It is NOT justification. See, that's why I asked...... it's a game.
A game about blowing up spaceships.
People who blow up your spaceship for no reason are perfectly fine to do so.
The CODE simply is a thing that basically started from shooting afk people,
combined with shooting miners who are afk most of the time in untanked ships.
Which is stupid, because that get's you killed. Rightfully so.
Long story.......... in detail, it's actually a really good one though. So the quick answer is, Code is all fake anyway and has no affect on how CODE actually behaves. So why even have it? Is it for RP reasons then, and if so why did a GM require the 10 mil payment. I am just asking questions based on your comments. I take no position which matters and you are free to carry on doing as you are doing. I am just interested in how it all works. There is no "fake". It's a game! The actual reason for the saviour thing was that it helped recruiting back then, before the New Order got ... turned ... into CODE. It's fun for many people to follow a leader. People like that. And it makes perfect sense in a game like this. CODE has rather ... hmm .... disconnected RP, but it works. In any sense it seems that "It's a game" a swers most of your questions. The bigger one though seems to be: Why do you ask? "Just curious" isn't an answer.
I think the original post is clear on why I am asking about the Code and CODE and what their goals are. I like to learn new things and see what people are thinking. Be that RP reasons, Meta reasons, etc.
There can be lots of fake in a game. I can say one thing and then do another different than what I said I was going to do all within the game. Just like how CODE has a Code, but its meaningless because it isn't followed. The Code is thus fake and is just the base used for the RP, as your just said its fun to follow the leader and the RP works. Even if the RP is based on a Code which CODE itself does not follow.
Hard to take an organization serious when they do not follow a set of rules or a Code - especially when they have a Code on a website maintained by the "leader'.
So to your question, I answered why i want to know. The response on the desire for Code is to cause mayhem and bring 'balance' to high-sec. Many people would consider that balance like how Anakin Skywalker brought balance to the force, and all within the game affecting other peoples game.
How about a return question, Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:35:07 -
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I can not answer that question.
Times change. Back during my active time,
the answer would have been:
People are being shot, because it's stupid to be afk in space
in something easily shootable. Also I do not understand how CODE isn't following their CODE...
... but it would be hilarious to have a CODE member shoot down another one for being afk in space! xD
The balance issue, anyway, has to do with people
who are rather disconnected from reality.
See the above person.
They see hate and griefers everywhere and call gankers sociopaths
and mknsters and whatnot, while actually being the most hatespewing of them all.
They want highsec to be safe, because that's what's needed to make the weak,
spoiled, disconnected people happy. That's those who identify so much with i game activities,
that they completely tick off if you shatter their pretend reality.
People like the hater above pretend to be good people
who want to make the game easier accessible for those
who are not cut out for it... essentially changing the whole game.
Unlike the hater I do not advise to ignore. Instead listen for clues
which tell where the person really is coming from.
Only haters tell you to ignore someone ...
... because that's the only way they have to deal with those who call them out.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Paranoid Loyd
4545
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:35:55 -
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Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
44947
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:42:39 -
[26] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:FINALLY A CODE THREAD AGAIN !!
Indeed. It got me worried for GD already. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
118
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:44:04 -
[27] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.
What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^
Had you spent a couple of minutes to do your research, you would have known that it is the thief who shouts the loudest about a stolen bag.
I scammed a combat ship from a (potential) anti-ganker that day. The execution of the plan was beyond parody, and I only got slightly more than 100 million ISK in assets - hardly worth the time I spent on it - but it was my first scam, and I was hopping around the room like an Easter bunny when I cut it.
This fail-fit ship still sits in Hek, untouched, as a reminder of my little triumph. |
Kalissa Ropol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:44:21 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict.
Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
520
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:45:57 -
[29] - Quote
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Btw Salah ... I never got to ask.
What turned you from a hater into a member?
That'd be interesting to know.
You had SO MUCH irrational hate for CODE, it was borderline. ^_^ Had you spent a couple of minutes to do your research, you would have known that it is the thief who shouts the loudest about a stolen bag. I scammed a combat ship from a (potential) anti-ganker that day. The execution of the plan was beyond parody, and I only got slightly more than 100 million ISK in assets - hardly worth the time I spent on it - but it was my first scam, and I was hopping around the room like an Easter bunny when I cut it. This fail-fit ship still sits in Hek, untouched, as a reminder of my little triumph.
Hahahahaha congrats! ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2015.04.06 20:48:56 -
[30] - Quote
Kalissa Ropol wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kalissa Ropol wrote:Why does balance need to be brought to High-sec at all? It creates conflict. Not to get into a game of Why, but why does High Sec need conflict when it was not designed to be as such and other areas of the game are designed as such?
Conflicts fuels the economy.
Conflicts make the game interesting and different.
Or: Why not?
Edit: You edited your post and I didn't notice.
Also... wrong. Highsec was not designed not to have conflict.
Assuming this makes no sense and you need a source for that claim,
because ingame reality clearly shows otherwise.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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