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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.10.26 15:16:00 -
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I think people are over reacting with the drake. The main problem is the ships most people are comparing the drake to. The ferox and the nighthawk, two relatively crappy ships.
The ferox is a gunboat and everyone uses it as a missleboat. imo, the ferox is quite weak compared to other BCs and to other gunboats. Removing its missle abilities and giving it 1-2 more turrets is what this ship badly needs.
The nighthawk is the other ship I see it getting compared to by many. You HARDLY see people fly this ship now, and there is a good reason for that. It's been awhile since I looked up the stats and did calculations, but CURRENTLY(not kali patach) the nighthawk is 90% of the damage of the caldari HAC. The other races' CSs are like 150% of the damage of their respected HAC ship. Although the nighthawk will be getting a boost, I believe it is still the lowest dps CS of the 4 races. Furthermore, the drake does not outdamage the nighthawk and the nighthawk is a MUCH better tank than the drake.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.10.28 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shodana Probably been said before, but oh well.
Drake with 7L/3t high slot split, 6 mid, 4 low. 5% shield resistance per level and 5% ROF bonus... OMFG. I just left a stain running from the floor to the ceiling.
Ferox with 5L/5t high slot split, 5 mid, 4 low. 5% shield resistance per level and 10% to optimal range per level. Ferox is going to become extinct. As is, I have never seen a ferox fit with blasters or rails. Always missile spamming with ewar.
So...
Why do the caldari have 2 missile spamming BC? Any plans to make the ferox a 7t/3L high slot split now that the caldari have an uber missile spammer or plans to reconfigure the drake to a full turret boat?
I don't mind. I am a missile ***** to the core of my being and love the drake's configuration, just seems a bit over the top with 7 launchers, 6 mids, and 4 lows. Not to mention renders the ferox useless.
Have you actually ever flown a missle ferox before? It's not very strong, it's got pretty horrid dps.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru That's it. 6-slot shield tank setups are utterly worthless in pvp with a 15km weapon, but *shrug* apparently everyone will be flying them.
/me wonders how anyone is going to kill anyone else with no speed mod, scram, web...
You make it sound like everyone will be using HAMs
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.14 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford Drake is a monster as well, although filling the med slots with shield mods, and the low slots with ganking gets you a bit skewed image on how good it is.
I wouldn't call it a monster. You can't put a full gank setup while still having a good tank setup on the drake. Also the drake's damage output, even with all BCUs in the low slots(which would severely hurt the tank) doesn't compare with the other damage outputs of the other BCs. Please do some calculations before swinging your nerfbat. The drake is now in league with other BCs, unlike previous BC missleboats which were flying piles of crap.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: 2SecondsTilMidnight on 16/11/2006 21:15:40 Drake had the lowest damage potential of the t2 BCs already - THERE WERE MANY MANY GRAPHS THAT VERIFIED THIS. Why can't caldari just have a battlecruiser. Caldari is the only race without a battlecruiser or command ship. THE DRAKE WASN'T TERRIBLY OVERPOWERED BEFORE - I'm serious here. Lower damage and a good tank? Wait, caldari battlecruisers have to complete crap so we can have them be on par with other ships. You guys are worse than square enix at balancing crap, if you don't know what I mean then pick up FFXI and you'll see what I mean.
Edited my language, was a bit upset.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:46:00 -
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Thing is, caldari is lacking any ship of the battlecruiser size.
Ferox? Its a gunboat that everyone uses as a missleboat because its primary role sucks.
Vulture? pretty good tank compared to other CSs but it's damage is practically non existant.
Nighthawk? The perhaps one of the ****tiest CSs in the game, the recent change in kali makes the nighthawk still the worst but not AS far behind the game.
Was the drake a tad overpowered? Maybe a TAD when using jav HAMs, however when your not using jav HAMs it was fine. Was the drake a MONSTER? No, the DPS of the drake wasn't as high as the other t2 BCs. It did have good a good tank - not command ship good, but still good.
Perhaps give the launcher back? Keeping it at 6 launcer and giving the rof back could work. Maybe put it back into 7 launchers/rof bonus and give it 4/5 mids with no shield bonus. You need to give it something - In its current state it just sucks, plain and simple.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: 2SecondsTilMidnight
Ferox? Its a gunboat that everyone uses as a missleboat because its primary role sucks.
or maybe half the race doesn't know how to fly its ships cause they have been so pampered w/ fire and forget they are scared to even look at a railgun?
minnie nerf? we will surive, we actually pilot our ships, we adapt both on and off the field (no adapting doesn't mean changing ammo) caldari nerf? may the streets flow with your tears
the changes were justified.
Scared to look at a railgun? I've tried a railgun ferox, theres a reason why not many use it as a gunboat. Take away all but one launcher or all the launchers and add like two turrets then I would change my opinion on the ferox.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.17 06:31:00 -
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I flew my drake around, JAVELIN HAMS were overpowered, thats why I said before that the DRAKE was only a *tad* overpowered or not overpowered at all. If you take out jav HAMS, the drake isn't all that. Try a drake(old drake) with 7 launcher T2s, not near as good.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.18 17:08:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427093 Looks like the drake changes are final. If jav HAMs stay the same then NH will be nerfed in a matter of time on TQ. There goes my BC5 skill down the drain *sigh*. Time to spec BS I guess.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.18 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hydrian Alante Yay everyboday that goes out for PvP flies faction fitted HACs and Command ships.
Some ppl should really open their eyes.
Well, apparantly in order for drake to be subpar they need to have T2 launchers, which cost about 9mil more per launcher than a T2 turret. I give up on missle boats. I'm going to use my amarr flying character mostly now.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: 2SecondsTilMidnight on 27/11/2006 22:35:23 Edited by: 2SecondsTilMidnight on 27/11/2006 22:32:26 Do you guys have like 0 missle skills or something? With -1 turret from before, you can fill that in with a missle launcher. Dps wont be as high but it wouldn't be terribly low as if you had 6 turrets 0 launchers.
Edit: I am for a 7th turret though, I just don't think it is as crappy as most people make it out to be.
Edit #2: And incase some of you argue that the drake could've used a turret in place of the lost launcher, good luck fitting a medium sized turret with drake's pg.
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