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Andreus Ixiris Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:09:00 - [31] Originally by: Camar Mr. Andreus Ixiris, do you speak of on behalf of all your alliance? A bit too much mead have been... But it would indeed be interestingt to see and view if your whole alliance share the same views as you do, cause it would perhaps prevent accidents from happening in certain parts of space (Yes, We DO set people to Blue at times) Could you restate your request in slightly more clear terms? There's rather a mess of suppositions and oddities in there which makes it look like a direct threat. If it is a threat, let me say that whatever views our Alliance holds, we are well-equipped to answer threats to us.
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:06:00 - [32] I was under the influence of alcohol...but a threat? I reread what I had stated and it kinda more looks like: Hey, if yer whole alliance got your views we were kinda offering to setting positive standings in order to prevent accidents from happening in and around amarr space. (If "we'd" ever meet in those parts of eve)
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:11:00 - [33] Currently I'm operating in safe space out in Gallente reigon, but do you work around the Metropolis/Forge area? I'm sure that my coalition wouldn't be adverse to a Non-Aggression Pact with you, if that's what you desire.
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:32:00 - [34] Umm..? I've killed lots of people before being cloned. And even then, it was a jump clone. I'm using my original body right now, but I don't feel any less need to take out pirates and enemies of the State. Your theory of cloning increasing aggressiveness seems to be unsubstantiated. But, to your original question... you can easily make a living without the need for violence in most high-security systems. Though, to be completely honest, that "peace" is maintained thanks to CONCORD's constant threat of pod captains with overwhelming force. Looking down on violence while enjoying CONCORD's protection would seem hypocritical at best.
Dutarro Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.30 15:36:00 - [35] Agemmemnon, I salute your steadfast commitment to non-violence. Good luck to you in your quest to find (or create?) a peaceful corner of the universe. As for the bloodthirsty nature of many capsuleers, perhaps it is because so many pod pilots are trained at a young age, given near immortality and an arsenal of weapons before developing the conscience to use them responsibly. *opinions stated are not necessarily those of my corporation or alliance
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:26:00 - [36] Dutarro Thank you. Your support is good to hear from another sane being. The bloodthirsty nature of many capsuleers as you call it is due to the genetics and the way we are all nurtured. It is not exclusively one or the other but the genetic balance is disrupted by the deformaties in the clones, that is my balief based on the behaviour of most pod pilots. Again thank you for your support. Age I bring thee Pax
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:33:00 - [37] Edited by: Agemmemnon on 30/10/2006 16:34:30 Originally by: Taoza The violence fuels your wealth from mining, the vast majority of mined materials go towards building combat ships and their armorments. I ask you, is mining truely an honnest trade? Best regards. What can I say to this is? If was a dirt farmer you would say I am producing food for the armies that kill. Taoza if you could suggest a new trade or a more enlightened path for me to follow then I would my friend. Just know I follow my trade as a miner, I never said I was perfect but at least I am trying and that I believe is what counts on the wheel of life. AGe I bring thee Pax
Vertigel Symorain Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:12:00 - [38] Even if someone might protest this (Amarr) we are all of the same species. Namely Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Even from the dwan of mankind, having wealth and posessions has been a measure of fitness and success. Only the most cunning and strong would have the ability to be wealthy, and wealth has been a deciding factor to who is going to get ones genes passed on to the next generation, wich is the ultimate goal of life. This selfish gene is still in our genome, and drives us to obtain as much wealth as we can. Our social nature make us work together to obtain even more wealth. At this stage ideologies starts to form, and the members of the groups think their ideologies and ideas are superior to others. This is the key event. The member of the group starts to beleive that individuals outside the group are lesser then themselves, and therefore they are not as important. taking away the outsiders wealth to improve ones own is accepted, as it shows you are the stronger and more cunning, and therefore better suited to pass your genes into the next generation. From this, the step to violence and finally murder is a small one. The introduction of cloning makes it even smaller, but it's not due to a defect in the clones, but rather a heritage from our ancestors. The drive to own or posess is a strong one, resulting in many tragedies, but ultimately it's the force of life. By rejecting it, you are in essence rejecting yourself and your own life and your right to exist. -VS-
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Vertigel Symorain From this, the step to violence and finally murder is a small one. Quote: The step is a very large one, off a cliff into darkness Symorain. You are blinded by your genetic past and cannot see the depth of the that one step. Many of you had said that we are what we are because of our genes and we kill because we have to, and have done so before and after our first clones. Just remember we are not just made up of genes but also of memories we have histories that are surrounded by the cycle of death that fuels itself and it turns a little with each death. I am not saying you are wrong after all with your deformed genes and histories you cannot see any other path to follow so I am not trying to change you. But there must be some being out there in Eve's galaxy that knows of a path of light one that will let me follow the cycle of life. Age I bring thee Pax
Novan Leon Caldari Goat Raiders	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:11:00 - [40] There will always be the struggle between good and evil. To be a pacifist is to accept that you will never actively belong to either, and thus, always be subject to one or the other. Only those willing to fight can truly forge their own way in this world, unless your way doesn't mind dying.
Dutarro Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:22:00 - [41] Originally by: Vertigel Symorain ...The drive to own or posess is a strong one, resulting in many tragedies, but ultimately it's the force of life. By rejecting it, you are in essence rejecting yourself and your own life and your right to exist. To paraphrase your argument, you claim: - violence is sufficient to obtain wealth - wealth is necessary to sustain life - therefore, violence is necessary to sustain life This argument is fallacious. The conclusion would only be correct if violence were necessary to obtain wealth, which it is not. *opinions stated are not necessarily those of my corporation or alliance
Able Citizen True Core	Posted - 2006.10.30 21:33:00 - [42] Edited by: Able Citizen on 30/10/2006 21:33:38 Aye, my brother. There is plenty of room for you. Sadly, many of those who roam the galaxy seek only mayhem and destruction. Their sole objective is to kill others. While there may be a genetic inferiority that could be to blame, the true reason is a cultural one. However, there are those of us who have sought after loftier goals than these. We may need to use conflict to advance our agendas when it is forced upon us, but the noble ideals of Sansha Kuvakei and the Nation live on in the nether regions of the cluster. Our dream of a Utopian state where one is free to pursue the disciplines they desire for the good of all mankind is somewhat esoteric, but it appears to me that you have already found a higher plane of existence. You may be ready to learn what the Nation wishes all to come to understand.
Aria Jenneth Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.31 00:02:00 - [43] Originally by: Able Citizen You may be ready to learn what the Nation wishes all to come to understand. ... that people become quite peaceful if you pack their craniums with behavior modification implants and render them incapable of independent thought. Oh, yes, and that "Ravisher" is a really great name for a battlecruiser class, because *****is such a wonderfully enlightened activity. And the prize for worst warship name ever goes to ... Add to this such ships as the "Demon," "Butcher," "Misshape," and "Servant," and one begins to imagine the Nation as a they are more properly seen: a madman's drooling distortion of rational thought, first half-realized and then quite properly struck down. If only this lot would stay struck.
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:48:00 - [44] Edited by: Agemmemnon on 31/10/2006 10:48:43 Originally by: Novan Leon A)There will always be the struggle between good and evil. B)To be a pacifist is to accept that you will never actively belong to either, and thus, always be subject to one or the other. C)Only those willing to fight can truly forge their own way in this world, unless your way doesn't mind dying. A) The struggle is no longer balanced. With clones being used, good and evil are no longer turning within the same cycle. B) To be a pacifist is do be part of the cycle of life and not death its the counter balance to killing without the will to stop C) To forge your way through this life is to force others to your why of life dictated by your genetic and social heritage. Your reasoning is not sound and sadly blinkered. Age I bring thee Pax
Darina Rea True Core	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Oh, yes, and that "Ravisher" is a really great name for a battlecruiser class, because ****is such a wonderfully enlightened activity. And the prize for worst warship name ever goes to ... ... The Caldari State. Really, pick a kind of bird, any bird when you design a ship and name it after that. What's the inspiration behind that? Nothing! I bet the guy who got to name the ships threw darts at a paper written with names. By all means, serve a bunch of good for nothing managers whoes only goal in life is to wringes as much ISK out of their Citizens as they possibly can. _________ Time is on our side.*
Aria Jenneth Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.31 17:57:00 - [46] Your honor, this Sansha's ... person has just announced that she'd rather fly a ship named after a rapist than one named after a bird. I rest my case.
Novan Leon Goat Raiders	Posted - 2006.10.31 21:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Agemmemnon Edited by: Agemmemnon on 31/10/2006 10:48:43 Originally by: Novan Leon A)There will always be the struggle between good and evil. B)To be a pacifist is to accept that you will never actively belong to either, and thus, always be subject to one or the other. C)Only those willing to fight can truly forge their own way in this world, unless your way doesn't mind dying. A) The struggle is no longer balanced. With clones being used, good and evil are no longer turning within the same cycle. B) To be a pacifist is do be part of the cycle of life and not death its the counter balance to killing without the will to stop C) To forge your way through this life is to force others to your why of life dictated by your genetic and social heritage. Your reasoning is not sound and sadly blinkered. Age This is meaningless philosophical jibber-jabber that sounds good to the ear but which means nothing. Turning within the same cycle? Cycle of life? Fighting equals forcing others to your way of life? Only if my way includes living!
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.11.02 15:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Novan Leon This is meaningless philosophical jibber-jabber that sounds good to the ear but which means nothing. Turning within the same cycle? Cycle of life? Fighting equals forcing others to your way of life? Only if my way includes living! I only asked if there is a place for me in Eve and the way I want to live. I am attacked in space with guns without reason and here with your fear filled words Novan. Did I attack you in space or did the truth injure you. Age I bring thee Pax
Max Godsnottlingson	Posted - 2006.11.03 11:47:00 - [49] My friends, and to the OP. Keep heart, out in the podpilot community I would say that the vast majority of people are able to look above the petty squables of the different factions and work well together. I, though born into the High Holders of the Amarr, am a Freelancer first and foremost. I call members of all races amongst my friends. Though I have to endure some good natured ribbing about ho wmany slaves I have hauled about, and give it back myself I also know that if the call should come, I will often as not be flying alongside Minmatar and Gallante pilots as often as Amarr and Caldari. Some of my colleagues have jested on occasion that Freelancers are the new, sixth race of Eve. who have the ability to draw on all that is good in Eve. While that point could be debated long in to the night. The fact is, this attitude is not unique to the Freelancing community of Eve. In my experiance the vast majority of Eve podpilot corps are multi cultural, with loyalty being given to a Corperation or Allaince over a Race. The extreemist will always make the greatest noise here, and do. So the impression that racial factions are ripping Eve appart are vastly inflated. I fear more the gang of pirates camping a gate then any fleet of minmatar pilots. Not because those minmatar are poor fighters, but because I know that 99% of them are just like me, hard working pod pilots trying to make a living in Eve.
April Knox Caldari Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:33:00 - [50] War is a powerful and efficient catalyst for one of the most primal human emotions. As our human nature is capable of love and affection, we are also sensible to profound hate and anger. We can't have one thing without the other. - April grins. - Oh, and besides, war is an awesome business.
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:05:00 - [51] Originally by: April Knox War is a powerful and efficient catalyst for one of the most primal human emotions. As our human nature is capable of love and affection, we are also sensible to profound hate and anger. We can't have one thing without the other. - April grins. - Oh, and besides, war is an awesome business. I Agree!! Remember we have other emotions apart from thoughs that fuel death and with war there must be a peace someplace in Eve. I believe cloning has distorted the cycle of war and peace, life and death. Many pod pilots follow the wars around Eve's galaxy lusting for killing. I am like them but am looking for the peace that is in Eve's galaxy and lust for life! Age I bring thee Pax
Beletre Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:18:00 - [52] Whatever happened to good ole simple lust? that life has to come from somewhere, ya know....
Shina Windol Caldari Raging Phoenix Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:57:00 - [53] I must commend you for standing by your ideals, Agemmemnon, that much I can not deny you. Is there a place for you somewhere in EVE where you can go about peacefully? Perhaps, perhaps not...it all depends on where you are and if there are people nearby that suscribe to the same ideals. Regardless, you must always keep in mind, especially in the EVE universe, that pacifism works well in theory, but it can never successfully exist so long as there is one person out there who believes otherwise and holds on to his/her axe of war. So long as there are those who maintain their ability and will to make war, war will exist.
Milera Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:46:00 - [54] Pacifism! Will you defend yourself, miner? Will you defend your family? Will you defend your friends? Will you fight to survive, industrialist? I believe the answer is no. Go ahead and seek your little corner of the galaxy, and if you are killed along the way, so much the better. War is a beautiful thing, can you not see that? The death that you fear is to me just a transitory state, a short rest before plunging back into the deadly dance that we play in space. I do not understand your fear of death, for we the pod-pilots are immortal, immune to the fate that awaits those who crew our ships. If they die, there are more to replace them. If they live, they have learned, and are paid handsomely. That is why they fly, is it not? To experience the glorious reward, and the risk, of flying aboard a vessel such as ours. Prepare, kill, die, awaken, prepare. That is the cycle of a pod-pilot. We are either the suppliers of the great automaton of war, or we are the automaton itself. That is our purpose. We are but weapons and tools that have learned how to operate themselves. We combat pilots grind forward with but one purpose, to kill all those who stand before us. And you, you industrialists, you exist to provide us with the weapons that we use to wage our perpetual war. We have gained strength through war, we have gained knowledge through death, and the strength of all the citizens of this world will be strengthened by the furnace of war and conflict. ------------------------------------------------- War, the ultimate test of skill. The ultimate pleasure. The ultimate pain. My EVE blog: http://lifeneweden.blogspot.com/
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:48:00 - [55] a true pacifist would not fight. but someone who does not fight, is guilty of not preventing cruelty and criminality. as long people are beeing supressed, enslaved or even just robbed - as long that happens, it is your duty to oppose.. you can try doing it on the political theatre, even the limited success is better than nothing. Or you pick the weapon for right and justice. you can always choose, but real peace is not an option. [_] bystander,; guilty of watching people die and suffer [_] activist within the legal boundariers [_] activist within illegal boundaries [_] be a slaver [_} be a pirate [_] be a freedom fighter [_] be a monk and bless and guide those who fight.. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
Horatio Nately Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:22:00 - [56] Peace through Superior Firepower. --------------------------------------- What Alt? My opinions do not represent my corp/alliance
nTime	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:01:00 - [57] Pod pilots, cycles of life, bah! It is about survival of the fittest. Only the strong shall survive. This is one of the most basic laws of the universe. Destruction and rebirth, life and death are the only cycles in the universe. Right, wrong, black, white, good, evil, itÆs all the same. Everything else is a means to an end. To kill or not to kill. Who cares? Since cloning is science perfected, death has no hold over me or anyone who has embraced the technology. If you are in the way between me and my goal then you can bet IÆm going to blow your ship and if you whine about it then I will pod you as well. Else you can get out of my way and I will only ask once. To the OP, If you do not wish to fight then you can work for me. I will protect your worthless pod for as long as you provide resources and you will not have to worry about being attacked. The absolute best we can hope for in this existence is a full cap and good friend or two to share the experience with. Embrace the podding! Your life will be richer for it. Trade for survival, smuggle for fun.
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:10:00 - [58] Dear ntime, Milera, zoolkhan You are all full of lust for war and why? Because your geneticly deformed clones leave you with no other path to follow. I don't seek safety as such I seek only peace. My path in Eve's galaxy is one that has no need of killing of any being. Even when attacked by the other races, I evade or stand fast against there onslaughts. All I see are pod pilot's killing without fear of death, Eve's sociaties and industries are geared towards this end. Its a cycle that has no end, a wheel of death that is turning faster and faster. There must be a wheel of peace? A counter to deaths wheel. Age I bring thee Pax
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:22:00 - [59] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 09/11/2006 13:25:01 You suggest that unless people are like you, that they are dishonest workers. Ego. A counter to deaths wheel would be lifes wheel. A wheel of peace is a counter to a wheel of conflict. You equate life with peace and death with conflict. Others do not share this axiom. Ego. Death is not a wheel, it is an end, for us, of a clone's life. Despite your memories, the post-clone's being is not the same as the pre-clone's. The continued consciousness of being is an illusion. It is not the body that is at fault but the ego convincing itself it is invulnerable to consequences. This is the basis of infomorph psychology. Cloning is just a service for the self-deceiving ego. As to your original question, yes, there is always a place for pacifist and honest workers. What you have to give up, to achieve your ideal, is your own choice. Ego? Outface the depths of evil with clarity
Agent Li	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/10/2006 14:01:46 If the lesser races accepted their inferiority and agreed to Amarrian leadership, there would be peace throughout the galaxy. It's not fair for you to say things that make me snarf up my lunch through my feeding tube because it's so hilarious...

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