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Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Agemmemnon on 26/10/2006 13:46:20 Ello all I am a pacifist and a miner by trade, do you think there is room in Eve's galaxy for honest workers like Me? Every place I look poeple are killing and being killed, and this is being encouraged be the cloning corp's. I see that I can't stop people killing its due to there genetic failings, and the cloning corp's know this but do nothing to stop it why? Because to do so would put them out of work. So I ask you is there any little corner of Eve's galaxy that I could call home and does not smell of death in my minds eye. Age I bring thee Pax
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/10/2006 14:01:46 If the lesser races accepted their inferiority and agreed to Amarrian leadership, there would be peace throughout the galaxy. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Jurskjeld Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:05:00 - [3] Not in the free lands, no - unless you wish to become part of a stronger alliance, seeking membership with one of their dedicated mining and trading corporations. I know a few large ones have those, seek contact with those if you wish to travel away from the populated Empire, Republic, Federation and State. Seek the numbered systems, where friends are friends. Your only peace there is that given to you by the escorts, but still, you don't need to be a prisoner anymore. Still a slave, but roaming free. -- Amarr scum be pushing gas, Caldari dogs are kissing their ***. Gallente and Minmatar together stand forever as the holy band.
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Rodj Blake If the lesser races accepted their inferiority and agreed to Amarrian leadership, there would be peace throughout the galaxy. If all races thought none were lesser there would be peace. I bring thee Pax
Kaleigh Doyle Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:27:00 - [5] The universe isn't an easy place to live in, regardless of your personal beliefs or profession. If you're looking for the safety of CONCORD(and that's debatable...), a higher security system will afford you such protection. However, fortune favors the bold and those that learn to how to properly evade many of the hazards of dangerous space will find life both rewarding and satisfying. Loyal friends and allies also helps considerably.
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:45:00 - [6] I don't seek safety as such I seek only peace. My path in Eve's galaxy is one that has no need of killing of any being. Even when attacked by the other races, I evade or stand fast against there onslaughts. All I see are pod pilot's killing without fear of death, Eve's sociaties and industries are geared towards this end. Its a cycle that has no end, a wheel of death that is turning faster and faster. There must be a wheel of peace? A counter to deaths wheel. Age I bring thee Pax
Kaleigh Doyle Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:02:00 - [7] Mm, well best wishes and all that. Personally, I'd settle for inner peace, but then again I hate being disappointed. You've got your work cut out for you.
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:27:00 - [8] Kaleigh hits the nail on the head, really. There's no possible way to bring about or force a general peace as it would eliminate the very concept itself, so there is no path to universal peace that we can find. All you can do is find happiness for yourself. Our world isn't moved by calm hearts, however. It's ruled by base passions and as long as humans follow their call, there will never be peace. In the mean time, I will be happy to profit from the strife that arises around us, but all that turmoil will never truly touch the still parts of my soul and so, in fleeting moments of shared freedom and happiness, I'll be fulfilled with no need for a universal or ever-lasting peace.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:58:00 - [9] War cant be stopped, there is allways something someone wants that someone else has. even when they agree to share it one party allways ends up wanting more and will come to arms to get it.
Rana Ash Minmatar Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:14:00 - [10] So you does'nt even fight back against the pirates that infest the roid belts?. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.26 21:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Rana Ash So you does'nt even fight back against the pirates that infest the roid belts?. No need to with T2 modules I can tank without the need to kill. We kill because I believe there is a gentic defect in us that only shows itself after we have died and taken a new clone. Why don't the cloning corp's fix this? Is it because they make more isk from us killing each other? I just wonder if it them that are turning the wheel of death. Age I bring thee Pax
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.10.26 23:38:00 - [12] I would not call it a genetic defect, more it lies within our nature or cultural heritage. There are several reasons why someone would murder or kill, greed being just one of them. As the elit we are not bound by anything in this vast universe except the strains we put upon ourselves. Immense wealth and power has always been the source of war and the cause of insanity, or any combination of them that you wish to combine. And no matter that cause or "side you decide to "fight" for", there will always be another side that will oppose it to defend themselves and their way of life.
Ly'sol Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.27 00:33:00 - [13] So long fools follow blind idealogies, there will always be conflict. From defineing each other in terms that seek to box package and ship humans to a preset cultural role. Tribal warfare will always be there. Goals turn from future plans to idealogically writs of dogma without people ever realise they are diving down the precipise of a closed mind and cold heart. They soon once they are inside this cycle, will only identify others who share thier beliefs to even qualify as human. While others that dont, are just names which can have no meaning except the question "What can be gained from these cattle?" Should a human removed from the cycle...they feel as though they have no place outside the world they became dependant on. Dogmatic idealoigies of that attempt to prevent your freedom in any form are dangerous. Because behind the viel of acceptance and community lies an agenda for you to suit the needs of the few. Beware those that wish to label you as "miner", "pirate", "Freespacer", "Cleric". "Soldier" or "Citizen." for they wish to box you into thier definitions so that you may be processed and catagorized so they may answer the question, "What can be gained from these cattle?" You want peace? Remove these ideas of banding together in any form for a common purpose other than simple social community. Do not attempt to carve your empire in the stars by drawing lines between them and stomping out those who do not share your views. Seek to find those who are not seperated between social class and function. Seek those who are not the CEO, Directors, Spin Doctors, Warriors, Producers. No matter where you go, such a neutral term shall immedately invoke a sense of ease to those who understand its meaning. And so long you keep true to that meaning, you will gain the one commodity in the star cluster that is accepted by all. Look for people who will give you only one label, one that will be your first and last. And it is, Comrade. When you see that you have the freedom to do whatever you wish so long you do not fall prey to the seductive tongues of those who wish to use you and you hold true to the meaning of that word. Then you can walk admist the battlefields in safty knowing that these are just not mad men who slaughter themselves. But lost brothers who are brainwashed into the control of capitalist dictators seeking thier own fame and fortune at others expense. Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 8AUG06
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Camar I would not call it a genetic defect, more it lies within our nature or cultural heritage. You are right but miss the point thats its only after we pod pilots gain a new clone do we set ourselves on the path of killing. I don't balieve this is because of our need for revenge, its because the new clones are defective! Why don't the clone corp's admit there is a fualt. Is it because they will lose face are isk? Age I bring thee Pax
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Agemmemnon on 27/10/2006 08:40:28 Originally by: Ly'sol Should a human removed from the cycle...they feel as though they have no place outside the world they became dependant on. Quote: Ly'sol your words ring true in the cycle of life we live. I see things simply and know in my heart that killing is simply wrong. This knowledge is the one tennant that sets me free from my dependancy on the cycle of killing that turns deaths wheel. Age I bring thee Pax
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:56:00 - [16] I don't see why not. Everyone outside of Concord controlled space isn't a combatant, there are miners, industrialists, traders etc. There will always be danger lurking around every corner. You will have to be smart, and keep your navigation skills sharp, but you can survive without ever firing your guns in anger. If that's the moral victory in your eyes, so be it. As far as safety? It doesn't exist anywhere, not in Concord-controlled space, not even an Amarrian Emperor lives in complete safety. Perfect safety does not exist.
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.10.27 19:51:00 - [17] Mr. Agemmemnon, I have killed a great many in my days and has of yet never been cloned...
Ashturi Nagano LeM Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.27 21:41:00 - [18] Edited by: Ashturi Nagano on 27/10/2006 21:43:02 Agemmemnon, While I don't wish to, quite, disabuse you of your...interesting notions, I must say that your almost unfathomably naive view of the world is quite fascinating. You ask if "there is room in Eve's galaxy for honest workers like [you]?" Of course there are. All you need to do is subsume yourself in serving another, far more capable person than yourself. Your only task at that point is to please your new master. Very peaceful, I am sure. But another thing struck me as odd. You assert that there is a genetic deformation that causes greater aggression in those who have been transported into clone bodies. You call this a "mistake" and wonder if the clone companies will ever confess to the error. Why do you think this is an error? Do you not think that at least ONE of the clone companies would not have solved this issue if it were in "error?" You apparently have access to information that I do not or, at least, have not seen. However, if this IS true, then it can be no less than a conspiracy. One of which I heartily approve, I might add, as I'm sure their margins are quite high. And Camar? One does not have to be a clone to be damaged. Please remember that. Even parents accidentally drop their children. ----- "Sometimes I amaze even myself. Well, not so much 'amaze' as 'worry,' or 'freak out.' But occasionally, I'm able to work 'amaze' in there."
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:10:00 - [19] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 27/10/2006 23:11:36 Pacifism only seems to fail here in eve because of its open nature. In essence, Why would someone not take things from you, if you have something of value? Find a way around that problem, and I imagine the entire galaxy will be pacifist in short order, and I can see not one but SEVERAL adonis prizes in your future. --------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1Redo Fleets[/ur
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.28 00:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Synapse Archae In essence, Why would someone not take things from you, if you have something of value? [/quote I value life in others above all else and compaired to this there possessions mean little to me. All it needs is others to think like me and the killing will stop. I don't balieve that we will not be tempted, but the without killing there will be other ways to gain what we disire in our lives. Age I bring thee Pax
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.28 01:19:00 - [21] Edited by: Agemmemnon on 28/10/2006 01:20:16 Originally by: Ashturi Nagano I must say that your almost unfathomably naive view of the world is quite fascinating. I may be naive Ashturi. But I may simply, not be corrupted by the cycle of death that nearly all are following naively! From the first day we enter this galaxy we are guided to kill and possess others possessions and will's. You talk of a conspiracy well I don't think its that simple. The cloning corp's have blinkered and corrupted there reasoning to suite the dynamics that fuel there shareholders demands for more isk and power. Its a cycle that has no end, it just keeps turning like a wheel of death. For every bit of matter there is anttimater, for every turn of deaths wheel there MUST a counter. I see in me life and this is part of the wheel of life. Its a small part and I only ask too seek out the cycle of life free of death's wheel. It must be out there someplace, musn't it? Age I bring thee Pax
Vlada Milani Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.28 01:26:00 - [22] Please, be reasonable. Your theory regarding the cloning corporations casts your sanity into question. There has been violent conflict for far longer than cloning technology has been available. People are born that way and must aspire to find peace. "Every civilization must negotiate compromises with its own sense of morality."
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.28 11:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Vlada Milani Please, be reasonable. Your theory regarding the cloning corporations casts your sanity into question. There has been violent conflict for far longer than cloning technology has been available. People are born that way and must aspire to find peace. Believing that killing is wrong is not insane and we are not born to kill as you suggest. There used to be a wheel of life that was balanced, there was death but with it was life as its counter cycle. The cloning corp's have done a wanderfull thing for us in prolonging the good and bad in us. But at the same time he have devalued our lives. When cloning was introduce to the masses the wheel of life split and deformed itself into a seperate cycle of death that is geneticly fueling itself every time we reclone. The true wheel of life we can all see in us. The great responeses from others to my questions are testemant to this. What has happened to the cycle of life thats been disgarded? Age I bring thee Pax
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.10.28 11:28:00 - [24] Agemmemnon, you should seek contact with Jove. I hear they have ways to "fix" certain "genetic failings". Their society must be perfectly ballanced with no need for such primitive instincts as killing. Never mind the side effects, you get used to them. Since you are above murder, they might even want to add you to their deteriorating gene pool.
Koshmarnaya Akula The Thule Society	Posted - 2006.10.28 17:06:00 - [25] Good Luck. You have a noble wish.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:26:00 - [26] Pay me ISKs weekly and you can be a pacifist as much as you want. --------- It's great being a Caldari, ain't it? Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Agemmemnon	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:53:00 - [27] Edited by: Agemmemnon on 28/10/2006 23:53:36 Originally by: Tecam Hund Agemmemnon, you should seek contact with Jove. I hear they have ways to "fix" certain "genetic failings". Their society must be perfectly ballanced with no need for such primitive instincts as killing. Never mind the side effects, you get used to them. Since you are above murder, they might even want to add you to their deteriorating gene pool. The Jove! do you realy balieve they hold the key? Somehow I don't think they cut us off from there space because they had a deteriorating gene pool. I think the Jove are protecting there gene pool from our defective one. Age I bring thee Pax
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Rodj Blake If the lesser races accepted their inferiority and agreed to Amarrian leadership, there would be peace throughout the galaxy. Fool. Get out of my sight, you lowly loyalist dog. If we submitted to Amarrian leadership there might be an end to inter-empire violence but there would be abject suffering under your undemocratic, oligarchical travesty of a so-called "government". I spit on you and your blind, godless people.
Taoza	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:53:00 - [29] The violence fuels your wealth from mining, the vast majority of mined materials go towards building combat ships and their armorments. I do not condone the violence, nor the destruction caused by mining itself. Resources are quite plentiful now, but are finite, with certain types threatened to be depleted in out life times. Not only are asteroid belts ravaged, but entire moons and even planets. Is that a good thing? I ask you, is mining truely an honnest trade? Best regards.
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:34:00 - [30] Mr. Andreus Ixiris, do you speak of on behalf of all your alliance? A bit too much mead have been... But it would indeed be interestingt to see and view if your whole alliance share the same views as you do, cause it would perhaps prevent accidents from happening in certain parts of space (Yes, We DO set people to Blue at times)

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