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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
45142
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Posted - 2015.04.08 17:57:46 -
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dude, I totally damaged your ship and made you die faster.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5298
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:03:48 -
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You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.
And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.
Good job AGs, keep it up.
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
Black Legion.
279
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:10:17 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.
And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.
Good job AGs, keep it up.
what are these "results" you speak of... |
DerpimusPrime Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:10:54 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.
And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.
Good job AGs, keep it up.
Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1243
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:17:05 -
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DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result. As said before, a player on your kill mail. Vincent Athena wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:... Right now, gankers laugh at White knights. When did a ganker's opinion start to matter?  Its not that their opinion matters, it's that it is, in fact, a valid statement of the validity of the activity. But you do not have to believe me. Go out and try White knighting and see for yourself. I love to hear if you find ways to be successful at it. Haven't need it yet. Scouting or webbing seems to be sufficient. I would imagine being in the same corp helps?
I have talked about White Knights and a corp board for them that works on reputation points.
Maybe there could be some sort of contract that allows them to fight or repair the one they are escorting without the draw backs?
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:17:26 -
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DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:So im a ganker that love to blap AutoPiloters and noobs hauling their *beep*.
But i've noticed more and more people coming to collect a km but yet calling it anti-ganking.
What im trying to figure out is why they call themselves anti-gankers when they dont save the target im going for, but only collecting km's filled with gateguns.
So what im asking is, what is the point of that?
Looking over a few days worth of your killboard, it appears that you're mostly flying a Thrasher and your primary targets are frigates in a 0.5 security system. I assume you often take out your targets in a single volley - in which case, yeah, there's absolutely nothing a white-knight can do to save your target, beyond suicide-ganking you which I assume they're not interested in doing.
But I doubt they know right away what you're shooting when you go red. If it turns out that your target needs two volleys from you to be taken out, and they can in turn volley you before the second, then they can save the target.
In fact, far as I can tell from your killboard, that might actually be happening at times? I see some instances where you die to sentry guns and a player, yet there's no associated kill from you - so I assume you initiated a gank but failed?
Oh, and I also see what appears to be you whoring on kills - for example, a recent Tornado - that's taken out by sentry guns, so it's not just the white-knights doing it, and maybe they're doing that for the same reasons you do. 
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3282
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:18:06 -
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DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.
And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.
Good job AGs, keep it up. Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result.
If they are actually causing the gankers to change their behavior, or stop altogether, then they are getting a huge result.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5299
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:20:49 -
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Baaldor wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:You guys might laugh at anti-gankers, but considering gankers tend to send more isk at a target, alter their fits to resist ECM, and several high profile gankers have recently thrown in the towel with at least one citing anti-gankers as a primary reason, they must be doing something right.
And at the end of the day, threads like these show that anti-gankers are having an effect. When they did nothing, nobody really mentioned them. Now they are actually achieving results, these threads are popping up in an effort to shame them.
Good job AGs, keep it up. what are these "results" you speak of... You mean other than what's literally written in what you quoted?
Gnakers now use more ECCM and throw more ISK at a target to get around the loss of DPS to AGs. Gankers like Globby publicly announcing their retirement from ganking citing anti-gankers as a heavily contributing factor. The goal of AGs is to make ganking more difficult, to add effort to easy ganking, and with that they succeed.
DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:Just curious about what they gain from it. But l would not say that getting a km with a ganker is much of a result. Entertainment I suspect. This is a game after all. Players set themselves goals and accomplish them for the entertainment of playing and the feeling of accomplishment.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1243
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Posted - 2015.04.08 18:21:00 -
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This hapless forum creature does not taste as good with the saliva of all you others slathered all over him! 
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
957
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Posted - 2015.04.08 19:10:35 -
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Just screenshot their tears and send them to James 315. We all love some salty ag tears about how helpless they are and how it is all CCPs fault and not their lack of skill at this wonderful game.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1248
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Posted - 2015.04.08 19:27:31 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Just screenshot their tears and send them to James 315. We all love some salty ag tears about how helpless they are and how it is all CCPs fault and not their lack of skill at this wonderful game. Those goggles you wear are holding tears like a leaky snorkel mask.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
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DerpimusPrime Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.04.08 19:55:12 -
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Well, perhaps the time has come for some nado tears  |
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
245
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Posted - 2015.04.08 20:07:18 -
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A Ganker complaining about becoming a KM when he claims he is only after the Loot. If you are getting the Loot why does it bother you that your death is now generating a Kill Mail? At the very least it seems the Anti-Ganker has upset you enough for you to start this thread and keep posting to it.
*Shrugs*
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
35640
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Posted - 2015.04.08 20:10:38 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:... why does it bother you that your death is now generating a Kill Mail?
Killmails are generated whether or not a player is on them.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6541
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Posted - 2015.04.08 20:29:55 -
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DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:So im a ganker that love to blap AutoPiloters and noobs hauling their *beep*.
But i've noticed more and more people coming to collect a km but yet calling it anti-ganking.
What im trying to figure out is why they call themselves anti-gankers when they dont save the target im going for, but only collecting km's filled with gateguns.
So what im asking is, what is the point of that?
And as you prob will ask, whats the point of ganking in hi-sec? Loot ofcorse.
Hmmm. Loot.... thinking....
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Lux Jinks
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:17:19 -
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yeah, its almost as pointless as this thread. |
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
246
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:27:36 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:... why does it bother you that your death is now generating a Kill Mail? Killmails are generated whether or not a player is on them.
I should have worded my statement differently, but a KM with just Concord is normally never seen by the public and doesn't bruise the ego as much as if a player is on it... Thus why the OP has started this topic most likely. |
Catharian Rebillot
The Nose Picker Clown Group
Elemental Tide
0
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:27:48 -
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DerpimusPrime Aihaken wrote:.....
So what im asking is, what is the point of that?
And as you prob will ask, whats the point of ganking in hi-sec? Loot ofcorse.
For me personally, anti-ganking was all about loot, not kill mails. Kill mails are nice of course, but I've looted 100's of millions of isk worth of stuff from the hulls of gankers ships after the fact. (we are talking CODE and friends in the Udeama pipeline mostly) In fact, I truly think that tactics were altered to make sure I didn't get that stuff as easily for a time. So I do feel that in a small way I did make a difference, even if the gank targets still got taken out, at least I got something tangible out of it as well. Since a couple of the highest profile personages fell off the face of the earth, I dont see so much of the chain ganks of freighters like I used too, to be honest I miss the opportunities it afforded me. I dont log in as much as I used too either, so things might be different now.
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Paranoid Loyd
4596
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:32:56 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Krell Kroenen wrote:... why does it bother you that your death is now generating a Kill Mail? Killmails are generated whether or not a player is on them. I should have worded my statement differently, but a KM with just Concord is normally never seen by the public and doesn't bruise the ego as much as if a player is on it... Thus why the OP has started this topic most likely.
This changed recently, they now show all kills even if there is not a player on them.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
35640
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:43:19 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:I should have worded my statement differently, but a KM with just Concord is normally never seen by the public and doesn't bruise the ego as much as if a player is on it... Thus why the OP has started this topic most likely.
Yes they are.
zkillboard has been displaying them for months now. Possibly even for more than a year now.
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Hal Morsh
Fruidian Logic
Dramatic Exit.
275
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Posted - 2015.04.08 21:44:43 -
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There was this omen navy issue who instead of using a killright accidentally tried to gank my procurer, well concord showed up killing him. My drones got me on the killmail.
So by their logic my procurer was anti-ganking all along. With how that worked out if I was afk mining I would have been afk anti-ganking as well. Isn't that nice?
I think what they are actually doing is called killwhoring, on top of claiming victory like some numbnut because they whored in on something else's killmail, an NPC in this case.
Anti-ganking would (in my opinion) be someone who ganked an illegal target who previously ganked someone else. The main thing an anti-ganker would be is someone who tried to prevent a gank from happening in the first place.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2015.04.08 22:01:10 -
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A thrasher you say?
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2015.04.08 23:10:31 -
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So you want to gank & not be shot at, seem legit !!! hehe... 
Anything that shows up as "Red" in Hi-sec is asking to be shot at.
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Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
237
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Posted - 2015.04.08 23:24:46 -
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Could careless if some noob decided to fly through the most camped pipe lines with a full cargo fit freighter and 3 bil in it. I kill gankers for the sweet tears caused when the very few of them who use implants, lose them. Takes about a dozen pods to get that one pod that causes tears, but its all worth it. Greifer tears are the best tears in the game, there is no beating them whatsoever.
As for stopping ganks, this game is heavily favored on the gankers side. You engage them on the gates, they jump through leaving you with a timer and unable to chase them. You camp them at the stations, they just simply warp away with their invulnerability on.
They have already scouted out their next victim with their cloaky scout and are on their way while you try and figure which of those 12 asteroid belts in that direction did they warp off to. The list goes on. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
35642
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Posted - 2015.04.09 00:11:50 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:As for stopping ganks, this game is heavily favored on the gankers side. You engage them on the gates, they jump through leaving you with a timer and unable to chase them. You camp them at the stations, they just simply warp away with their invulnerability on.
They have already scouted out their next victim with their cloaky scout and are on their way while you try and figure which of those 12 asteroid belts in that direction did they warp off to. The list goes on.
How does any of that favour gankers?
Those are mechanics available to anyone aren't they?
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Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
247
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Posted - 2015.04.09 00:38:58 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:
This changed recently, they now show all kills even if there is not a player on them.
Well that reveals that I haven't bothered to log in and do any real playing in some time. But that does not reduce my theory that the OP is upset about a player being on that KM. If he was professionally just ganking for profit then he wouldn't care. |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
546
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Posted - 2015.04.09 02:45:41 -
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Anti-gankers are good for the game.
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Wanda Fayne
Gurlz with Gunz
74
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Posted - 2015.04.09 07:31:51 -
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If you ganked an anti-ganker, would that make you an anti-gank-ganker?
And if another anti-ganker got on your killmail, would that make for too many anties?
Ok, time to anti up...
btw, killmail whoring is as old as killmails. Nothing better than getting in on a capital kill. Unless it was that Revenant kill that never had a killmail |
Josef Djugashvilis
2935
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Posted - 2015.04.09 07:34:18 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:If you failed at every gank you attempted would you not still be a ganker?
You would be a suicide ganker.
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Xercodo
Vector Galactic
4155
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Posted - 2015.04.09 08:29:13 -
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Ya know....I could prob get away with some **** if I sat in a passive target fit attack BC with polarized guns next to some gank catas
The second that they go red I play the roll of concord and let them have it.
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