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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.04 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lliad on 04/11/2003 23:35:18
Due to the recent increase in the incidents of large turrets detaching form bs hulls and causing serious damage to smaller vessels. A new safty lock must be fitted to all BS in 0.5 or higher security sectors. This will unfortunatley nerf the ability of bs to mount small weapons and mining turrets. However it has been demmed this lock can be deactivated if the piolt wishes in any 0.4 or lower security sector.
This would mean bs can no longer mine in absolute safty. They would have to come to 0.4 or lower systems to mine. This would hopefully force more players into the deep reaches of space.
Next step leave guns at all empire gates and make jump in camping an exploit. This means that if pirats want to get their kills in empire space they will be able to do it at belts. Which will hopefully be more full of miners ect. They can also still camp 0.0 gates if they feel the need.
Also if the carebares are still happy to mine in saftey with a thorax i guess we just nerf cruiser mining as well.
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piij
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Posted - 2003.11.05 00:07:00 -
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haha almost funneh.
how about amarrian empire fleet just coming jamming your bship and killing you if you dont leave their ore alone?
- Care to watch moo dance?
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.11.05 00:09:00 -
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Why would they let cruisers and frigates mine "their ore" and not battleships?
Why the hell do you people care what other people do? 
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Nofo
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Posted - 2003.11.05 00:24:00 -
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Why the hell do you people care what other people do?
Woooord!
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.05 00:29:00 -
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Why would they let cruisers and frigates mine "their ore" and not battleships?
Why the hell do you people care what other people do?
coz cruisers dont have large turrets. And large turrets are killin to many inoccent space dwellers 
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.05 00:30:00 -
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What a stupid idea. I'm so tired of reading posts from (probably) pirates who think it's a "brilliant" idea to "force" battleships into low security space.
There's absolutely no reason why people shouldn't be able to use battleships to mine in high security space. End of story.
Veruna Caseti
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.05 00:35:00 -
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There's absolutely no reason why people shouldn't be able to use battleships to mine in high security space. End of story.
But the floating trash. ite evil
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.05 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 05/11/2003 01:29:12
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Why the hell do you people care what other people do?
Woooord!
To answer you both, me personally? I don't give a feck. But a new player to the game facing the daunting star map and highly reluctant to stray too far from 'home' looking at what's left of the roid belts after corps strip mine them and take the ores to their offices in that solar system to manufacture things the new players can hardly afford, especially with the readily availible income source sucked away for their use? (whew...long one).
I completely skipped mining as a new player, knowing I'd rather eat my keyboard than mine straight out the box. So I went hunting instead. It was highly annoying to find the low level rats I knew my Reaper could take solo being consumed by people in cruiser gangs for farming purposes.
Luckily, the rats haven't seem to be suffering from a spawning problem.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.05 01:31:00 -
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But a new player to the game facing the daunting star map and highly reluctant to stray too far from 'home' looking at what's left of the roid belts after corps strip mine them and take the ores to their offices in that solar system to manufacture things the new players can hardly afford, especially with the readily availible income source sucked away for their use? (whew...long one).
Sorry, but this just isn't the case. Even in the most heavily mined areas of the Universe there is plenty of common Ore to go around. If it's not in your "home" system, it's within a few jumps.
There is no shortage of Veldspar or Scordite out there that we need to "combat." Plain and simple.
Veruna Caseti
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.11.05 01:40:00 -
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Sorry, but this just isn't the case. Even in the most heavily mined areas of the Universe there is plenty of common Ore to go around. If it's not in your "home" system, it's within a few jumps.
There is no shortage of Veldspar or Scordite out there that we need to "combat." Plain and simple.
Here we are seeing first hand the delusions of a carebare. Ahh a memorable sight. Almost as memorable as those huge roids in 1.0 space.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.05 01:44:00 -
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Here we are seeing first hand the delusions of a carebare. Ahh a memorable sight. Almost as memorable as those huge roids in 1.0 space.
Cute. Except it makes no sense. If I'm a carebear, then I would obviously know MORE about what's going on because I spend my time in High Security space.
Fact is I'm only about 60% carebear, but I still know there's plenty of Veldspar and Scordite to mine for anyone who knows how to use jumpgates and mining lasers.
Veruna Caseti
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Sourus
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Posted - 2003.11.05 01:45:00 -
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To answer you both, me personally? I don't give a feck.
Good to know. Now I can sleep better at night.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.05 01:59:00 -
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But a new player to the game facing the daunting star map and highly reluctant to stray too far from 'home' looking at what's left of the roid belts after corps strip mine them and take the ores to their offices in that solar system to manufacture things the new players can hardly afford, especially with the readily availible income source sucked away for their use? (whew...long one).
Sorry, but this just isn't the case. Even in the most heavily mined areas of the Universe there is plenty of common Ore to go around. If it's not in your "home" system, it's within a few jumps.
There is no shortage of Veldspar or Scordite out there that we need to "combat." Plain and simple.
Veruna, take it on faith that some people do not adjust well entering a completely new game.
I knew what a ship could handle from beta experience. I suspect you read the forums a lot and were a bit less daunted. Yet there are people who post saying how it took them days to aquire their first new frigate, even with the current ship prices.
You're basing your evaluation on what you see and know. Now take a person that has never played a MMOG in their life and saw an interesting box in the bargain bin to take home. In unfamiliar surroundings people stick to the familiar until they feel comfortable and confident they understand their surroundings.
Saying to a new player "But you only have to go 2 jumps towards..." isn't valid. Hell, the tutorial doesn't even cover using stargates to my knowledge.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Pr1vate Ryan
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Posted - 2003.11.05 03:52:00 -
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Spot on!!
I can remember when i started mining with my one basic miner on my ibis in Kisigo. Getting grief from a guy in a Cruiser and flaming everyone on local. All i wanted then was enough isk to buy a condor (I know how sad), but couldn't because he was taking great pleasure in destoying everyones newbie ships. Yes he lost plenty of cruisers to Concord but also enjoyed bragging about the fact he could make enough isk in one hour from mining to replace his ship.
This i could not believe at the time as his cruiser was worth about 4 million isk, i was mining at about 40K an hour!!!!!
What i'm trying to say is making enough isk in one hour from mining in a bs with no risk involved, which is enough to buy a cruiser is totally unbalanced in the isk making world of eve. No other activity in eve could even come close to making that sort of isk consistantly:-
How many hours of agent missions, ncp hunting or farming, trading etc would it take to make 4 Million isk???? I think days or weeks not ONE HOUR...
So just because currently you can make that amount of isk from mining dosn't mean it should be happening, so get it while you can. If ccp had a crystal ball do you realy think they would have allowed a single mining laser on a bs, think not.
The only people who wont agree are those who do it, like any subject in eve.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2003.11.05 04:15:00 -
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How does preventing Battleships from equiping mining lasers and small turrets protect people in 1.0 space? That arguement makes no sense at all. If anything, forcing battleships to equip there large guns in secure space would seem to be a bigger threat, cause you cant shoot people with a mining laser.
Theres also lots of Veld and Scord in every system. They respawn very fast and it takes quite the effort to have a continually drained system. If thats the case, just make a couple jumps and you should be set.
This is stupid, and calling people "Carebears" isnt going to make your arguement any more valid.
If you need a cause to rally behind, ***** and whine about Spod being removed from the game, and how CCP should put the ore back in.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2003.11.05 04:23:00 -
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What a stupid idea. I'm so tired of reading posts from (probably) pirates who think it's a "brilliant" idea to "force" battleships into low security space.
There's absolutely no reason why people shouldn't be able to use battleships to mine in high security space. End of story.
You havent been to Pator or Ryddinjorn and looked at the belts in the last month have you?
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Ol'Dirty Minmatar
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Posted - 2003.11.05 04:32:00 -
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Spod is a myth boy, like the tooth fairy and Kwai
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.05 04:37:00 -
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How does preventing Battleships from equiping mining lasers and small turrets protect people in 1.0 space? That arguement makes no sense at all. If anything, forcing battleships to equip there large guns in secure space would seem to be a bigger threat, cause you cant shoot people with a mining laser.
Theres also lots of Veld and Scord in every system. They respawn very fast and it takes quite the effort to have a continually drained system. If thats the case, just make a couple jumps and you should be set.
This is stupid, and calling people "Carebears" isnt going to make your arguement any more valid.
If you need a cause to rally behind, ***** and whine about Spod being removed from the game, and how CCP should put the ore back in.
CCP's argument is that is skews the Risk vs Reward balance, which is true. My argument, and one I had with corp members in the decision process concerning which bship blueprint to get, is the cost of a bship does not justify the added mining ability.
For evidence of the Risk versus Reward argument, mine Bistot solo in your bship. Then mine even Veldspar @ 3 isk per unit. You will generate far more isk with that single hop to station that mining Bistot and hauling the ore back to a refine point. The same holds true using a Thorax. From their perspective I suspect, the balance is too far skewed and is assisting players in racing through the content they provide.
From my perspective I'll refer back to Veruna's analogy on this same topic in another thread. She said it's like arguing that you don't need a car if the only place you travel is to the corner. The cost is justified as the car as more uses.
What she ignored (again) that:
1) people are using their bships solely to mine and for no other purposes whatsoever. My stance is based in cost justification and the added mining lasers of even an Apocalypse is not worth the liability a completely unarmed battleship poses to outside threats. The only people safe from those threats are members of NPC corporations as a war can and will turn that battleship into a 95m isk loss.
2) Her analogy doesn't fit the my stance completely. Her analogy promotes eschewing all vehicles, which in this particular case is impossible. A more appropriate analogy would be to liken the situation to buying a Ferrari and the furthest you ever went was to the corner store to buy milk 
And to answer your specific objections, given the cost of the bship and the value of the viable targets in high security space short of war, the safest thing for everyone is to have that bship armed to the teeth. Anyone with cruise missiles can hop into a Kestrel armed with cruise missiles and kill a new player, which is a much cheaper solution if you're going to go on a killing spree there than losing 95m isk and replacing it, even with insurance.
Second as noted above you cannot use your experience to evaluate a new player experience. Most people refer to Eve's learning curve as more of a learning cliff. Opening up the starmap, provided that new player actually figures out how to do it since the tutorial covers neither that nor jumping, that player is faced with all 5000 systems in the map. With a bunch of funny color dots which have absolutely no meaning to him.
Expecting them to warp to the nearest stargate and start flying is a bit much.
And on a final personal note, the idea of you wanting spod to come back so you can mine for megacyte in safety again makes me 100% positive that...ugh, this'll suck...CCP is making the right move.
If you won't risk going all the way out to the middle of nowhere, facing pirate attacks, then you don't deserve the the reward of obtaining megacyte cheaply. Buy it. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.11.05 05:22:00 -
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More ore to everyone.
Baby roids must die!
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