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Anndy
Caldari Praetorian Black Guard Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2006.10.28 03:29:00 -
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please please please make these rogue drones give security boosts
it just really wouldn't be that fair for anyone that claims the new regions not to have anyway to get security boosts while all other regions have NPCs that give security
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Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.10.28 05:19:00 -
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Wow, thats a really great idea. Carebear heaven it will be :D
From a RPG point of view it makes sense. We can't fit anything dronish to our ships and this is a new region where theres no concord involved and thus no bounty from concord on those. I'm sure the regular freighter runs into empire to sell mins won't be a problem in the end, it will just be discussed a lot here.
And best of all, it works against the current inflation in eve. I'm sure it won't help that much but it won't put any more money in the eve universe as well. Hurray! \o/ -- |
Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fliewatuet Wow, thats a really great idea. Carebear heaven it will be :D
From a RPG point of view it makes sense. We can't fit anything dronish to our ships and this is a new region where theres no concord involved and thus no bounty from concord on those. I'm sure the regular freighter runs into empire to sell mins won't be a problem in the end, it will just be discussed a lot here.
And best of all, it works against the current inflation in eve. I'm sure it won't help that much but it won't put any more money in the eve universe as well. Hurray! \o/
Well the problem I see is basically this:
Ratting in a -0.15 system sucks, but you at least make -some- isk from it. You get some bounties on cruisers and frigs and maybe the occasional 500k or 900k battleship. You've got a chance of getting a good best or second best useful named mod, and a sliver of a chance at a faction spawn that drops some faction modules.
If drones don't have bounties, and don't drop modules, then I'm worried that ratting in -0.15 space will literally have zero point. If all they do is drop garbage low value drone waste in the low end systems, then you might as well be mining veldspar in empire.
Slowly filling out my cargohold with rare modules, and collecting a bunch of lame bounties adds up over time. Not at the absurd rates that you get in the good systems, but it does add up.
Filling my cargohold up with a bunch of low value trash that refines for peanuts because no small and valuable items ever drop, would make ratting in the low value systems pointless.
I fully support the idea of making it harder to introduce isk into the game as a whole. Using drone alloys just seems like a way where it literally becomes the situation where you either have a -1.0 system or your better off mining veldspar in empire.
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Shimarra
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.28 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Illuminaty
Well the problem I see is basically this:
Ratting in a -0.15 system sucks, but you at least make -some- isk from it. You get some bounties on cruisers and frigs and maybe the occasional 500k or 900k battleship. You've got a chance of getting a good best or second best useful named mod, and a sliver of a chance at a faction spawn that drops some faction modules.
If drones don't have bounties, and don't drop modules, then I'm worried that ratting in -0.15 space will literally have zero point. If all they do is drop garbage low value drone waste in the low end systems, then you might as well be mining veldspar in empire.
Slowly filling out my cargohold with rare modules, and collecting a bunch of lame bounties adds up over time. Not at the absurd rates that you get in the good systems, but it does add up.
Filling my cargohold up with a bunch of low value trash that refines for peanuts because no small and valuable items ever drop, would make ratting in the low value systems pointless.
I fully support the idea of making it harder to introduce isk into the game as a whole. Using drone alloys just seems like a way where it literally becomes the situation where you either have a -1.0 system or your better off mining veldspar in empire.
The main concept of rouge drones sounds much more geared to deterrent of invasion for players seeking to get at resources. They are not, it seems, meant to be an isk generating proposition, although there has been a previous statement by Meph that they will have their yields of materials increased, I believe, "a lot." The introduction of new materials is also a possibility.
On the grounds of "why introduce an enemy with no bounty, no sec increase, and no mods to drop," this shows a marked change in the 0.0 dynamic. The new concept will have to be approached with an open mindset, and logically reacted to in such fashion. Some things, like bounty hunting the NPC pirates, will not work in such a region. Those seeking such careers would probably be more well suited to seek thier prey in the current systems. As stated above, I believe the function of the drones will be more "harvesting harassment" rather than "mobile cash cow."
Shim Shim
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Zarch AlDain
Friends of Everyone
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Posted - 2006.10.28 10:37:00 -
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Yeeh, it sounds good to me.
Something new and different - I can already see mass freighter convoys from the new regions carying minerals into empire to sell :)
Zarch AlDain
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente easyCredits O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.28 11:59:00 -
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I also like the idea of an area infested with Rogue Drones. My only concern is: do we get more then one Model for BS-Sized Drones? The Dominix-from-Junkyard seems to be a bit overused. I would like to see some kind of Wreck-Model from every BS ingame, for use by the Rogue Drones.
Also some kind of Faction-Modules would also be nice. Like an upgraded Drone-Control Unit or rare spawns, dropping a 10run-BPC of special Drones.
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Swamp Ziro
EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.28 12:07:00 -
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Contrary to popular belief, there ARE right now, in TQ, drones of all sizes.
Sure, they have frigate cross in the overview, but if you look at their signature radius, you see inty sized, frig sized, destro sized, cruiser sized and BC sized.
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Spoony Brook
terra firma team Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Spoony Brook on 28/10/2006 13:58:14
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I also like the idea of an area infested with Rogue Drones. My only concern is: do we get more then one Model for BS-Sized Drones? The Dominix-from-Junkyard seems to be a bit overused.
how about infested vexors' or myrmidons' (or arbitrators)? sure its not BS like you asked, but it adds variation and they can drop more sort after loot/whatever
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Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.28 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I also like the idea of an area infested with Rogue Drones. My only concern is: do we get more then one Model for BS-Sized Drones? The Dominix-from-Junkyard seems to be a bit overused. I would like to see some kind of Wreck-Model from every BS ingame, for use by the Rogue Drones.
You do realize that no other faction has more than one model for their BS, right? And that the Bloods and the Guristas don't even get new ones? I don't see any reason for the Rogue Drones to be any different in that regard. -----------------------------------------------------------
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.28 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 28/10/2006 15:09:08 *cough* serpentis, guristas, bloods *cough*
2 BS each :) ----------------
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Traxman
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Posted - 2006.10.28 18:29:00 -
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Why haul the minerals to Empire ? Why not build stuff in 0.0 ??
I bet someone are willing to pay isk for the minerals for ammo ships and meaby even capital ships production.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.28 19:19:00 -
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Sorry, but minerals > isk in 0.0 if your alliance is any good. You can always get isk from producing stuff or selling other materials you get in 0.0.
You'll have to operate as a group to do that however, which is a nice twist.
What i dont like ti the availability of both ark and crock in the same regions there. If that is correct info at least. Not that it matters that much, but it breaks the balance of resource scarcity quite abruptly. I personally expected mainly crap ores to be in these regions. We don't really need more good 0.0, we need more 0.0 that is of medium worth, so people can use it as stepping stone. Good 0.0 won't allow the settling of new groups much. it'll just become a safe haven for those kicked out of their own space most recently.
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Illuminaty
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine We don't really need more good 0.0, we need more 0.0 that is of medium worth, so people can use it as stepping stone.
QFT.
It isn't the dropping of drone materials that bothers me directly. It is the way CCP has structured 0.0 to either be garbage or a gold mine.
My fear is that if most 0.0 space has drones that drop nothing but the terrible drone alloys, and then has small clusters of systems that contain all the good rocks and has drones that drop all the good drone alloys, then the disparity between the good space and the bad space will be even more extreme than it is in existing space.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.29 04:14:00 -
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The prospect of ratting for minerals I'm sure seems pretty dull to most people, but as CEO of a manufacturing corporation desperately short on minerals, to me it sounds great.
However - getting established out there and holding a footing considering the distance from Empire, and the fact it will no doubt become the largest PVP playground to date beats me.
The rewards of minerals alone just doesn't seem like enough for the risks. Though who really knows until it is available. Help keep our CEO fueled...Send money for beer to my Paypal account!! |
IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.10.29 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Ronin Reborn Forgive me for a stupid question, but having never run a bunch of missions or complexes I know little about rogue drones. All the ones I've seen are small, frigates would be an applicable to compare. Are there going to be larger drone rats, ie cruiser and BS sized? Warp scrambling rats? Sounds different indeed, however if they drop alloys I could see the new regions being either extremely rich or poor. However, I DO think that a group of players with a lot of bpos (and pos(s)/outpost) could stay out there indeffinately due to it.
They do have BS sizes too- "Infested" Dominixes. The rest, to date, have all been frigates though.
They physically look like frigates, but many of them, like enforcer drones, have the signature radius of a cruiser or battlecruiser. test some paradise cruise missiles on them and you will see. the infested domis? they drop some REALLY good refines.
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Olixia Castitatis
Gallente Svefn-G-Englar
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Posted - 2006.10.29 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I also like the idea of an area infested with Rogue Drones. My only concern is: do we get more then one Model for BS-Sized Drones? The Dominix-from-Junkyard seems to be a bit overused. I would like to see some kind of Wreck-Model from every BS ingame, for use by the Rogue Drones.
Also some kind of Faction-Modules would also be nice. Like an upgraded Drone-Control Unit or rare spawns, dropping a 10run-BPC of special Drones.
How would you tell the difference between a Rogue Drone Tempest/Typhoon and a normal Tempest/Typhoon? -----------------------
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Marcus Alkhaar
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.29 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 29/10/2006 17:05:29
Originally by: Olixia Castitatis
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I also like the idea of an area infested with Rogue Drones. My only concern is: do we get more then one Model for BS-Sized Drones? The Dominix-from-Junkyard seems to be a bit overused. I would like to see some kind of Wreck-Model from every BS ingame, for use by the Rogue Drones.
Also some kind of Faction-Modules would also be nice. Like an upgraded Drone-Control Unit or rare spawns, dropping a 10run-BPC of special Drones.
How would you tell the difference between a Rogue Drone Tempest/Typhoon and a normal Tempest/Typhoon?
one of those 2 groups got a higher Percent of Rust in them, than the other
Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.29 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Anndy please please please make these rogue drones give security boosts
it just really wouldn't be that fair for anyone that claims the new regions not to have anyway to get security boosts while all other regions have NPCs that give security
The lack of a security status bonus or a bounty on rogue drones (a low one obviosaly, related to the low risk), has always struck me as odd. The rogue drone are the only "menace" all the empires and even the bandit kigdoms will think as a enemy, as they are a danger for all the ships (with the exclusion of some particular scenario in missions). I think it can be a good improvement. And on a relate basis the missions against rogue drones and some of the others (transporting medicines against disease and similar) could give a low increase in standing with all the factions, not +x with faction A -1/2x with faction B.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2006.10.29 22:46:00 -
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Don't just think of these new regions as empty space with rogue drones and belts, there will be hidden elements for people to find for use in inventions...
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Second Daos
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Posted - 2006.10.29 23:24:00 -
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Or maybe ultra rare trash for T2 rigs from smoking drones corpses? It may have sense...
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Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.30 00:34:00 -
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Which ice types will spawn in these regions?
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El'hith
Gallente The Phoenix Mercenarys
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Posted - 2006.10.30 01:42:00 -
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Excuse me for been crazy but alot of people are going pah worthless drone alloys...
last time i checked they refine to morphite zydrine and mega........
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Maverick McDougel
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.30 01:48:00 -
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please make them have faction or officer spawns that drop faction drone bpc's such as mining drones or combat drones i would go into the new region for those. support BattleClinic buy gtc's from BattleClinic |
Morkus Rex
Amarr Danish Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2006.10.30 07:34:00 -
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What about the "new" Drone Hive, is this something we will encounter in the new regions ?
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: El'hith Excuse me for been crazy but alot of people are going pah worthless drone alloys...
last time i checked they refine to morphite zydrine and mega........
One alloy refines to a bit of Morphite, a few have some Zydrine. It's only worth while because in a mission you have dozens of drones, with about 1000 m3 of alloys from a mission like Infiltrated Outposts. It depends on what kind of rogue drones are in the belts, the Drone Controllers give a fair bit of alloys but a lot of the smaller ones don't drop much at all.
But I think this is good. It's nice to have a little variety in the new systems and not just the same 0.0 space but more of it. Also have to keep in mind the COSMOS areas, hidden complexes and other things that I'm sure will pop up from time to time.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.30 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Originally by: El'hith Excuse me for been crazy but alot of people are going pah worthless drone alloys...
last time i checked they refine to morphite zydrine and mega........
One alloy refines to a bit of Morphite, a few have some Zydrine. It's only worth while because in a mission you have dozens of drones, with about 1000 m3 of alloys from a mission like Infiltrated Outposts. It depends on what kind of rogue drones are in the belts, the Drone Controllers give a fair bit of alloys but a lot of the smaller ones don't drop much at all.
But I think this is good. It's nice to have a little variety in the new systems and not just the same 0.0 space but more of it. Also have to keep in mind the COSMOS areas, hidden complexes and other things that I'm sure will pop up from time to time.
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TomB
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Posted - 2006.10.30 10:19:00 -
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Rogue Drones are by design not supposed to have bounties since they ain't pilots wanted by CONCORD.
To counter the problem of them not being as profitable we have made them special with salvaging. This might not suit you as an npc pirate hunter, but others will look at this area as a gold mine for the rig business.
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Bermag
Point-Zero Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.30 11:49:00 -
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I think most users value getting modules they can use to be more valuable. But getting stuff for riggs might be interesting.
But getting alloys for loot might become a logistical nightmare in regions which don't have stations. Can't refine them in a POS and they take more space than loot (compared to their mineral value at least for the lower end alloys). It will probably not be that interesting to go out and do "ninja-ratting" in those regions since you will only get the rewards if you succesfully transport the stuff out.
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ToxicAid
Minmatar Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:19:00 -
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Quote: Can't refine them in a POS
You can refine the alloys in a POS, thats new in Kali ------------------------------------------------------ Non mortem timemus, sed cogitationem mortis _______________ Memento mori. |
Jin Loe
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jin Loe on 30/10/2006 12:29:45 I like Alloys
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