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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.29 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 29/10/2006 04:56:24 Caldari ship prices aren't high because Caldari ships are better.
They are good, sure, but the prices are high because the demand is high. This is not because the ships are so damn good (though they are pretty spiffy), it's because Caldari are the OMGCOOL!!!11!1 race. They are militaristic, aggressive, capitalistic, and arrogant. That creates the Sci-Fi equivalivent of a rogue steriotype. Rogues are always popular in fantasy RPGs, why? Because they're rogues, and rogues are OMGCOOL!!!!11!!. Caldari are also OMGCOOL!1!1!!.
Also, the recent price hike is because it's getting a boost, and speculative people quite rightly decided to buy up teh stocks and sell them at hugely inflated prices after the patch.
(Also, I'm a bit drunk, but bear with me.)
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.10.29 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 04:53:44
Originally by: Dahak2150
Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 01:46:55
Hm, well as far as your opinion on the Absolution goes.. I think you are highly underestimating it. My alliance CEO flys both Absolutions and Astartes, and MUCH prefers the Absolution, he says it does better damage (even at point blank) and tanks MUCH better at the same time; example, (and I have seen this) he can perma tank sentries while maintaining 80% cap while instapopping pretty much anything I've ever seen him attack.
(PS I do have video if you would like.)
Not doubting anything, but I really like Amarr vids. Could we see it?
This is just a quick kill, kinda funny, I warp in on the Caracal in my wolf, barely doing damage... then the Absolution warps in.
----Will post the link once I compress it, for 30 seconds of footage 344mb seems a bit large.
Absolution.
Yep, this re-affirms my absolute burning need to have one.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.29 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shardrael on 29/10/2006 08:39:55 wow nighthawks sure went up in price, I remember seeing em for about 90 mil before they anounced the change gee, sure wish I had the bpo right now that would be a serious cash cow
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.29 08:45:00 -
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The price is going up because they think, (and rightly so so far) that they can get away jacking the prices up that high. Simple solution to drive the prices down would be to not buy them at those insanely high prices compared to what they were making previously.
Please don't bring in supply and demand into this, the eve mechanics don't work that way because of the single fact that there will only be a certain number of BPO's ever no matter what anyone does. ------------------
CEO of TKI
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.10.29 09:17:00 -
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It was only 145-155 some weeks ago, so stop whining... Caldari ships are not all bad, but they are definately not nber and prices are inflated due to large demand and the typical "lets-squeeze-prices-because-of-new-boost" syndrome!! It's the standard reacton of people hoping for large quick profit.
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Wiggy69
5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 29/10/2006 02:21:06 why is it a complete f**tard has to write crap liek this?
I will soon be in an absolution. I always have prefered amarr t2 ships over anything else.
nothing wrong with the absolution if you trained up the right skills.
get a life and stop being a troll.
I'll have to agree with you on that one, the Absolution is one of the best ships I've ever flown. Even with a mission fit, my dual-rep, cap injected Abso managed to tank another Absolution and a Cerberus long enough for me to get the enemy into 50% structure. Must have took 3 to 4 minutes, I was truly in awe! ---------
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.10.29 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: scabbsssjr
Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this?
Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof.
Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag.
Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense.
Did you know? That this game has more to it than dealing extremely high dps? I figured you didn't. The tank on an absolution can be godly if someone who knows what they are doing kits it. I fear an absolution over a nighthawk just for that reason. If you can tank longer and better than your enemy and deal about 400dps, you will probally win.
Would it make you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the absolution? I am sure you can talk the producers into doing that.
tank on a NH can be about equally godly, that's 800dps from the NH vs 600 DPS from the absolution with teh NH prolly having a bit better tank AND not have to worry about transversal etc, tho the abso prolly can't hit the NH anyway since the range of conflagration is 8km
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar The price is going up because they think, (and rightly so so far) that they can get away jacking the prices up that high. Simple solution to drive the prices down would be to not buy them at those insanely high prices compared to what they were making previously.
Please don't bring in supply and demand into this, the eve mechanics don't work that way because of the single fact that there will only be a certain number of BPO's ever no matter what anyone does.
ROFL But IT IS supply and demand. It always is.
However, in regards of T2 and dead-space variants, the supply ammount is fixed, so the price is set completely by the demand curve. You can compare it to a sports game or other event on an arena IRL - the number of seats available is fixed, so the only thing that determine the price is the demand curve. (though of course, the seller still sets the price and usually has some rules stopping him from raising the price to real market price - hence the sky-high prices on "black market" tickets which is the real price the market sets)
In the case of the NH, the supply is fixed, and the demand curve is shifting for 3 reasons; * more players with skillpoints to fly it * average wealth of the players rise every day * boosts CCP make to the ship
What we see here is of course alot of 3:rd parties, as well as manufacturers and consumers, who gamble on what the demand curve will be when Kali hits TQ with the boost(s) to the NH.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
John Phalanx
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:39:00 -
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Yes We Have Better Ships, You Know Why? Becouse We Dont Suck Like All Of You And Your Crappy Ships. And Plz Keep Whinnig I Love To See You Mad. And I Like To Know That Every Time You Fit A Non Caldari Ship You Know Youre Fitting a Useless Pice Of S**t. Theres Really No Point In Trying, Quit Eve Now Couse If You Dont Fly Caldari You Havent Got A Chance. Its Your Fault You Should Have Trained Caldari From Day One. How Much Time Did It Take You To Realize We Are OverPowerd, You Must Be Really Slow. So Now That You Know That You Dont Fly Caldari Becouse Of Your Own Stupidity Shut Up, And Stop Creating Retarded Posts
And You Know What Its Great Being Caldari
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2006.10.29 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 29/10/2006 11:57:50
I should prolly train for the Absolution as well. From my experience with Astarte, Sleipnir and Nighthawk. Astarte and Sleipnir kill NPC rats 5 times faster than Nighthawk I bet Absolution is equally faster.
Use the ships first then come shouting. Or rather not dont shout. try to be constructive if you really want to say something.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.30 00:54:00 -
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No, its not dalman. If that was a true metaphor I could try to start my own sports league and try to make my own profit in the sports market that way. That would a true supply and demand. Artificial supply due to game mechanics means supply and demand doesn't work. Its just what they think they can get away with charging. ------------------
CEO of TKI
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.10.30 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Its just what they think they can get away with charging.
As in what they think the customers are willing to pay. As in what the demand curve is.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.30 02:15:00 -
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Replace "demand" with "gouge" and we'll call it even. ------------------
CEO of TKI
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.10.30 02:47:00 -
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Gorion Wassenar, do you know anything about economics at all? I'll try to make this simple, although you'll probably just say "stfu caldari n00b'. The supplier sets a price that they try to make the maximum profit. In eve, T2 BPOs are limited, so supply is limited. T1 BPOs are MUCH more plentiful because you can buy them on the market. Due to the limited supply of T2 BPOs, the suppliers can generally charge quite a bit since theres a fairly high demand for them. However this doesn't mean that they can charge 100bil for a T2 cruiser for example. Because then the demand wouldn't be very high for a 100bil isk T2 cruiser. Since NH BPOs are very limited to a few, those few are the suppliers of nighthawks and thus has the power to raise the price as long as the demand doesn't drop to practically zero. Since the current price of the nighthawk is still "reasonable" for the demand, the suppliers are still slowly raising the price. As the price rises gradually, the demand is gradually decreasing. So yes, this is supply and demand, I kept most of the more complicated terms out of this as I was using supply and demand in very simple forms.
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NiGHTSintodreams
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Posted - 2006.10.30 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man the price went up BECAUSE of the boost coming.
QFE --- It's a dream paradox...
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.30 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: 2SecondsTilMidnight Gorion Wassenar, do you know anything about economics at all? I'll try to make this simple, although you'll probably just say "stfu caldari n00b'. The supplier sets a price that they try to make the maximum profit. In eve, T2 BPOs are limited, so supply is limited. T1 BPOs are MUCH more plentiful because you can buy them on the market. Due to the limited supply of T2 BPOs, the suppliers can generally charge quite a bit since theres a fairly high demand for them. However this doesn't mean that they can charge 100bil for a T2 cruiser for example. Because then the demand wouldn't be very high for a 100bil isk T2 cruiser. Since NH BPOs are very limited to a few, those few are the suppliers of nighthawks and thus has the power to raise the price as long as the demand doesn't drop to practically zero. Since the current price of the nighthawk is still "reasonable" for the demand, the suppliers are still slowly raising the price. As the price rises gradually, the demand is gradually decreasing. So yes, this is supply and demand, I kept most of the more complicated terms out of this as I was using supply and demand in very simple forms.
Your confusing the nouns of "supply" and "demand" with the economic principle "supply and demand". You cannot rationalize most of the market stuff in Eve with real world laws because of the very way, although the most advanced market for any MMO I've yet seen, is still limited by the artificial fact that there is a set number of BPOs for t2 stuff. In the real world the chances of someone not making a knockoff or cheaper version of a successful item is fairly low.
Since there are so few BPO's for t2 in some cases the sellers could get together and all agree to sell at an inflated price and there would be nothing we could do about it since there would be no way another supply could be gained short of GM intervention. Heck, this might already be a fact.
When all is said and done they are still selling a ship worth 17-24 mil in items and minerals for 200+ mil. Why? Because they can and if we want the latest in pwnmobile warfare we're going to have to swallow whatever price they feel like posting.
NH were 80-100 or so mil about 2 weeks ago and I've seen it raise to about 250 mil since the NH changes were announced. That is a change of 250% of what it was going for and a 150% increase in its price. That is not a "small" increase, they're seeing how far they can gouge. ------------------
CEO of TKI
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.30 05:23:00 -
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Many if not most amarr ships need a boost, the absolution is definitely not one of them.
As dalman talked about, the upper end of loot items and t2 ships is set by mission runners. The nighthawk will become the best mission ship with the boost so the hordes of MSORPG (massively singleplayer online role playing game :) :|) mission runners will start to gobble these things up.
The number of people who either solely do mission or have an alt with which they do missions is staggering, but the proportion of those people who do missions in caldari ships is even more unbelievable.
What I don't understand is why nothing seems to have changed after mission rewards were lowered. Shouldn't that decrease the isk available to mission runners and drive down prices?
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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