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Lady Deyth	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:10:00 - [1] These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:13:00 - [2] Yes, Nighthawk needed a boost. Perhaps the Absolution needs one too -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Lady Deyth	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Dark Shikari Yes, Nighthawk needed a boost. Perhaps the Absolution needs one too Hahaha, good joke, boost an amarr ship, ROFL i cant stop laughing.
Lady Deyth	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:15:00 - [4] On a more serious note, give the absolution a 10% per level range bonus to medium energy turrets, then this ship might at least be slightly more playable.
Space Samuri	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:18:00 - [5] On top of the fact the Nighthawk deals more damage, can deal any damage type they want, and can get way better range and do the same amount of damage from any range, their missiles dont use cap. With the Absolution, as the range increases, the damage is less, they CANT hit from 80km range with pulses, they can only deal EM and Thermal besides their ub3r 25 drone bay, and MOST OF ALL, they have to waste a bonus and put a cap use bonus isntead of giving it something more useful! Seriously, just make lasers use less cap overall and take away the useless cap bonus and give it something more useful!!11!!
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Leilani Solaris on 28/10/2006 16:20:03 Originally by: Lady Deyth On a more serious note, give the absolution a 10% per level range bonus to medium energy turrets, then this ship might at least be slightly more playable. erm? Absolution is awesome as it is, no boost needed. Besides, what bonus would you change to replace with a range bonus? The Damage bonus or the RoF bonus? I think i'll stick with the way it is thanks. Originally by: Space Samuri On top of the fact the Nighthawk deals more damage, can deal any damage type they want, and can get way better range and do the same amount of damage from any range, their missiles dont use cap. With the Absolution, as the range increases, the damage is less, they CANT hit from 80km range with pulses, they can only deal EM and Thermal besides their ub3r 25 drone bay, and MOST OF ALL, they have to waste a bonus and put a cap use bonus isntead of giving it something more useful! Seriously, just make lasers use less cap overall and take away the useless cap bonus and give it something more useful!!11!! Shut up, seriously.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:21:00 - [7] the price went up BECAUSE of the boost coming. It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Lady Deyth Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. It does actually, so what was the point of this thread again? Lets face it, someone has to be on top..
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:35:00 - [9] Did it ever occur to you that since at least 1/3 of the playerbase is caldari, and because it got boosted, that would encourage speculators to go in and buy up all stock on the markets of these ships to attempt to sell them at totally insane prices? In fact it's totally predicable. Look at other caldari stuff - hawk, invunerability field II, ballistic control unit II, etc - it's all way overpriced because of this effect. Come to think of it I should go and order 30 or so MFS II before the rokh pilots cause this to go insane as well...hmm... Raptor and Ares Fix
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:38:00 - [10] If you want to use Caldari equipment, pay the Caldari price. Or you can join EVE's other half, who make do with second best, but can afford to die twice on the same budget. Your pick.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Cmdr Sy If you want to use Caldari equipment, pay the Caldari price. Or you can join EVE's other half, who make do with second best, but can afford to die twice on the same budget. Your pick. Second best? haha
000Hunter000 Gallente Leviathan Corperation LTD	Posted - 2006.10.28 16:50:00 - [12] OMG first people scream the NH sux0rs! now they whine that it pwnz0rs!!! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!... Bah, i stuck with the NH when everybody and their mom were complaining at how bad it is, not it gets the boost it deserves and people allready scream 'OMG NERF!!!111ONE!!!' I deserve to be able to fly a nice uber pwn ship atleast for a little while for my loyalty. Banner will be updated shortly
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.28 17:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 28/10/2006 18:00:18 Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. What NH setup is going to do 800 DPS out to 80km? I'd like to see a range bonus, since Caldari seem to favor range, but they'd likely drop the kinetic dmg bonus for it, because dropping the other somewhat useless precision bonus would give it 4 uber bonuses. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
scabbsssjr Gallente The Afterlife	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. Did you know? That this game has more to it than dealing extremely high dps? I figured you didn't. The tank on an absolution can be godly if someone who knows what they are doing kits it. I fear an absolution over a nighthawk just for that reason. If you can tank longer and better than your enemy and deal about 400dps, you will probally win. Would it make you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the absolution? I am sure you can talk the producers into doing that.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:10:00 - [15] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. Did you know? That this game has more to it than dealing extremely high dps? I figured you didn't. The tank on an absolution can be godly if someone who knows what they are doing kits it. I fear an absolution over a nighthawk just for that reason. If you can tank longer and better than your enemy and deal about 400dps, you will probally win. Would it make you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the absolution? I am sure you can talk the producers into doing that. I do nearly 700 dps and have a dual rep cap injected tank on my absolution with over 80% resistances on all armour. Don't know how anyone can say the absolution needs a boost...
Illistar DeathWing	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:13:00 - [16] You could get out of your region and check others?, there's one in lonetrek for like 210
2SecondsTilMidnight	Posted - 2006.10.28 19:50:00 - [17] Um... stfu? NH is still the lowest dps ship of the four. If you don't understand why the price jumped so high for the nighthawk then please take an intro lvl of econ class, even that low of lvl should give you the answer. Reading all these posts about how caldari's insert any ship here is overpowered is getting pretty funny.
Bob Niac Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.28 20:57:00 - [18] well uh.. you just have to know where to go
scabbsssjr Gallente The Afterlife	Posted - 2006.10.28 22:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Leilani Solaris Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. Did you know? That this game has more to it than dealing extremely high dps? I figured you didn't. The tank on an absolution can be godly if someone who knows what they are doing kits it. I fear an absolution over a nighthawk just for that reason. If you can tank longer and better than your enemy and deal about 400dps, you will probally win. Would it make you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the absolution? I am sure you can talk the producers into doing that. I do nearly 700 dps and have a dual rep cap injected tank on my absolution with over 80% resistances on all armour. Don't know how anyone can say the absolution needs a boost... Thank you for backing me up. The 400 dps is from my POS gunnery skills, missiles :). These nerf caldari threads are getting old, FAST, oh wait they are old. These noobs who post em see most ppl fly caldari and the fact caldari is easier to train for and can use any ammo makes em unfair. IT DOESN'T, we can't shoot two or even three damage from the same round. Can we scramble and not lose part of our tank? No. Because of you noobs an entire ship type is being taken down several pegs. The jav raven. The thing does have a bit of an unbalance, okay not the end of the world and its not the I WIN BUTTON, you noobs claim it is. ITS NOT, its t2, of course it will be powerfull, and not everything is fair. Now ccp is nerfin to the point of a joke. Its not even worth the training time now.
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.28 23:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Leilani Solaris I do nearly 700 dps and have a dual rep cap injected tank on my absolution with over 80% resistances on all armour. Don't know how anyone can say the absolution needs a boost... It's because of all the Gallente drugs they're taking. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Xinfinity	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:01:00 - [21] flight time
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 00:23:00 - [22] you know, if you complain about the NH, then why don't you start gathering isk to get a drake bpo? bit less firepower than NH, and less tank for like 1/5th of the price. and it's fully insurable. ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:06:00 - [23] Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2006 01:17:37 *sigh* When will ppl understand that price on modules has very little to do with how useful they are in PvP? The demand curve setting the price on most items where the supply curve is limited, is mostly made up of ppl running agent missions. Due to the nature of missiles and NPCs not warping out, missiles is the prefered weapon of the agent runner. Hence there's a big demand for everything related to this. Best example of this is the recon cruisers. They're awesome ships. But not for mission running. And so the price is "low". Or take a look at Dread Guristas Cruise Missile Launcher. ~230M \o/ Have you ever heard of anyone in EVE using this to PvP? Would you use this module instead of a T2 cruise launcher in PvP even if the price of them were the same? This price is completely set by the hoards of mission runners in ravens. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:34:00 - [24] Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 01:43:26 Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. Moved from Eve General Discussion -Eldo Hm, well as far as your opinion on the Absolution goes.. I think you are highly undersetimating it. My alliance CEO flys both Absolutions and Astartes, and MUCH prefers the Absolution, he says it does better damage (even at point blank) and tanks MUCH better at the same time; example, (and I have seen this) he can perma tank sentries while maintaining 80% cap while instapopping pretty much anything I've ever seen him attack. (PS I do have video if you would like.) Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.29 01:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Aramendel on 29/10/2006 02:01:35 Originally by: scabbsssjr ...The tank on an absolution can be godly if someone who knows what they are doing kits it. I fear an absolution over a nighthawk just for that reason. If you can tank longer and better than your enemy and deal about 400dps, you will probally win.... Considering that both ships get the resistance bonus & have the same caprecharge rate, that the Abso needs unlike the NH cap to fire it's weapons & that a large SB + boost amp + lvl 3 in the shield comp skill regenerates more hp/sec for less cap/hp than 2 mar2 with rep systems 5 I find it kinda unlikely that the NH has a worse tank than the abso. Of cource, the abso has 7 slots to tank with and the NH only 5. But it will also need to fill 2 of them with a CPR to counter the capdrain of the lasers.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:03:00 - [26] The NH has a better average tank than an Abs. But it has an EM weakness to exploit. (omg, it so sucks that lasers do em damage whine whine whine ) As I said above, the price on the nighthawk is set by mission runners. Price has nothing to do with how useful they are in PvP. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.29 02:16:00 - [27] Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 29/10/2006 02:21:06 why is it a complete f**tard has to write crap liek this? I will soon be in an absolution. I always have prefered amarr t2 ships over anything else. nothing wrong with the absolution if you trained up the right skills. get a life and stop being a troll. -
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:26:00 - [28] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 01:46:55 Hm, well as far as your opinion on the Absolution goes.. I think you are highly underestimating it. My alliance CEO flys both Absolutions and Astartes, and MUCH prefers the Absolution, he says it does better damage (even at point blank) and tanks MUCH better at the same time; example, (and I have seen this) he can perma tank sentries while maintaining 80% cap while instapopping pretty much anything I've ever seen him attack. (PS I do have video if you would like.) Not doubting anything, but I really like Amarr vids. Could we see it? ---------- My sig is boring.
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Dahak2150 Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 01:46:55 Hm, well as far as your opinion on the Absolution goes.. I think you are highly underestimating it. My alliance CEO flys both Absolutions and Astartes, and MUCH prefers the Absolution, he says it does better damage (even at point blank) and tanks MUCH better at the same time; example, (and I have seen this) he can perma tank sentries while maintaining 80% cap while instapopping pretty much anything I've ever seen him attack. (PS I do have video if you would like.) Not doubting anything, but I really like Amarr vids. Could we see it? This is just a quick kill, kinda funny, I warp in on the Caracal in my wolf, barely doing damage... then the Absolution warps in. ----Will post the link once I compress it, for 30 seconds of footage 344mb seems a bit large. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:31:00 - [30] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2006 01:17:37 *sigh* Or take a look at Dread Guristas Cruise Missile Launcher. ~230M \o/ Have you ever heard of anyone in EVE using this to PvP? Would you use this module instead of a T2 cruise launcher in PvP even if the price of them were the same? This price is completely set by the hoards of mission runners in ravens. Yes... RISK guy named Logrus(& his alts) tended to drop dg cruise missile launchers, usually in packs of 6(depending how many died in process). But then again he's filthy rich... About that horde in ravens... it's funny how entire 3 races maybe have 1 or 2 ships that can come close to lvl4 w***ing speed(absolution / sleipnir maybe ... astarte&eos certainly can't compete with raven). Remove citadel torpedo flashes!
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.10.29 04:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Krulla on 29/10/2006 04:56:24 Caldari ship prices aren't high because Caldari ships are better. They are good, sure, but the prices are high because the demand is high. This is not because the ships are so damn good (though they are pretty spiffy), it's because Caldari are the OMGCOOL!!!11!1 race. They are militaristic, aggressive, capitalistic, and arrogant. That creates the Sci-Fi equivalivent of a rogue steriotype. Rogues are always popular in fantasy RPGs, why? Because they're rogues, and rogues are OMGCOOL!!!!11!!. Caldari are also OMGCOOL!1!1!!. Also, the recent price hike is because it's getting a boost, and speculative people quite rightly decided to buy up teh stocks and sell them at hugely inflated prices after the patch. (Also, I'm a bit drunk, but bear with me.)
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.10.29 05:12:00 - [32] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 04:53:44 Originally by: Dahak2150 Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 29/10/2006 01:46:55 Hm, well as far as your opinion on the Absolution goes.. I think you are highly underestimating it. My alliance CEO flys both Absolutions and Astartes, and MUCH prefers the Absolution, he says it does better damage (even at point blank) and tanks MUCH better at the same time; example, (and I have seen this) he can perma tank sentries while maintaining 80% cap while instapopping pretty much anything I've ever seen him attack. (PS I do have video if you would like.) Not doubting anything, but I really like Amarr vids. Could we see it? This is just a quick kill, kinda funny, I warp in on the Caracal in my wolf, barely doing damage... then the Absolution warps in. ----Will post the link once I compress it, for 30 seconds of footage 344mb seems a bit large. Absolution. Yep, this re-affirms my absolute burning need to have one. Oh, and Westwood Forever! Down with EA!!! ---------- My sig is boring.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:37:00 - [33] Edited by: Shardrael on 29/10/2006 08:39:55 wow nighthawks sure went up in price, I remember seeing em for about 90 mil before they anounced the change gee, sure wish I had the bpo right now that would be a serious cash cow Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.29 08:45:00 - [34] The price is going up because they think, (and rightly so so far) that they can get away jacking the prices up that high. Simple solution to drive the prices down would be to not buy them at those insanely high prices compared to what they were making previously. Please don't bring in supply and demand into this, the eve mechanics don't work that way because of the single fact that there will only be a certain number of BPO's ever no matter what anyone does. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.10.29 09:17:00 - [35] It was only 145-155 some weeks ago, so stop whining... Caldari ships are not all bad, but they are definately not nber and prices are inflated due to large demand and the typical "lets-squeeze-prices-because-of-new-boost" syndrome!! It's the standard reacton of people hoping for large quick profit.
Wiggy69 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Edited by: Ogdru Jahad on 29/10/2006 02:21:06 why is it a complete f**tard has to write crap liek this? I will soon be in an absolution. I always have prefered amarr t2 ships over anything else. nothing wrong with the absolution if you trained up the right skills. get a life and stop being a troll. I'll have to agree with you on that one, the Absolution is one of the best ships I've ever flown. Even with a mission fit, my dual-rep, cap injected Abso managed to tank another Absolution and a Cerberus long enough for me to get the enemy into 50% structure. Must have took 3 to 4 minutes, I was truly in awe! --------- [20:55:49] Feafalas > i've broken the internet, brb
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:27:00 - [37] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Lady Deyth These are the prices of these two field command ships in jita right now, does anybody else see a problem with this? Nighthawks was always one of the highest price selling field command ships, and now it's getting boosted even further with 25% faster rof. Nighthawk will be able to do up to 800 dps on anything between 0k to 80km range whereas the absolution will be lucky to get that kind of damage at 10km with pulse lasers and conflag. Yep, nighthawk really needed a beef. Ah wait, they are caldari, of course, now it makes sense. Did you know? That this game has more to it than dealing extremely high dps? I figured you didn't. The tank on an absolution can be godly if someone who knows what they are doing kits it. I fear an absolution over a nighthawk just for that reason. If you can tank longer and better than your enemy and deal about 400dps, you will probally win. Would it make you feel better if they jacked up the prices on the absolution? I am sure you can talk the producers into doing that. tank on a NH can be about equally godly, that's 800dps from the NH vs 600 DPS from the absolution with teh NH prolly having a bit better tank AND not have to worry about transversal etc, tho the abso prolly can't hit the NH anyway since the range of conflagration is 8km
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar The price is going up because they think, (and rightly so so far) that they can get away jacking the prices up that high. Simple solution to drive the prices down would be to not buy them at those insanely high prices compared to what they were making previously. Please don't bring in supply and demand into this, the eve mechanics don't work that way because of the single fact that there will only be a certain number of BPO's ever no matter what anyone does. ROFL But IT IS supply and demand. It always is. However, in regards of T2 and dead-space variants, the supply ammount is fixed, so the price is set completely by the demand curve. You can compare it to a sports game or other event on an arena IRL - the number of seats available is fixed, so the only thing that determine the price is the demand curve. (though of course, the seller still sets the price and usually has some rules stopping him from raising the price to real market price - hence the sky-high prices on "black market" tickets which is the real price the market sets) In the case of the NH, the supply is fixed, and the demand curve is shifting for 3 reasons; * more players with skillpoints to fly it * average wealth of the players rise every day * boosts CCP make to the ship What we see here is of course alot of 3:rd parties, as well as manufacturers and consumers, who gamble on what the demand curve will be when Kali hits TQ with the boost(s) to the NH. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
John Phalanx	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:39:00 - [39] Yes We Have Better Ships, You Know Why? Becouse We Dont Suck Like All Of You And Your Crappy Ships. And Plz Keep Whinnig I Love To See You Mad. And I Like To Know That Every Time You Fit A Non Caldari Ship You Know Youre Fitting a Useless Pice Of S**t. Theres Really No Point In Trying, Quit Eve Now Couse If You Dont Fly Caldari You Havent Got A Chance. Its Your Fault You Should Have Trained Caldari From Day One. How Much Time Did It Take You To Realize We Are OverPowerd, You Must Be Really Slow. So Now That You Know That You Dont Fly Caldari Becouse Of Your Own Stupidity Shut Up, And Stop Creating Retarded Posts And You Know What Its Great Being Caldari
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:56:00 - [40] Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 29/10/2006 11:57:50 I should prolly train for the Absolution as well. From my experience with Astarte, Sleipnir and Nighthawk. Astarte and Sleipnir kill NPC rats 5 times faster than Nighthawk I bet Absolution is equally faster. Use the ships first then come shouting. Or rather not dont shout. try to be constructive if you really want to say something.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:54:00 - [41] No, its not dalman. If that was a true metaphor I could try to start my own sports league and try to make my own profit in the sports market that way. That would a true supply and demand. Artificial supply due to game mechanics means supply and demand doesn't work. Its just what they think they can get away with charging. ------------------ CEO of TKI
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Its just what they think they can get away with charging. As in what they think the customers are willing to pay. As in what the demand curve is. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:15:00 - [43] Replace "demand" with "gouge" and we'll call it even. ------------------ CEO of TKI
2SecondsTilMidnight	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:47:00 - [44] Gorion Wassenar, do you know anything about economics at all? I'll try to make this simple, although you'll probably just say "stfu caldari n00b'. The supplier sets a price that they try to make the maximum profit. In eve, T2 BPOs are limited, so supply is limited. T1 BPOs are MUCH more plentiful because you can buy them on the market. Due to the limited supply of T2 BPOs, the suppliers can generally charge quite a bit since theres a fairly high demand for them. However this doesn't mean that they can charge 100bil for a T2 cruiser for example. Because then the demand wouldn't be very high for a 100bil isk T2 cruiser. Since NH BPOs are very limited to a few, those few are the suppliers of nighthawks and thus has the power to raise the price as long as the demand doesn't drop to practically zero. Since the current price of the nighthawk is still "reasonable" for the demand, the suppliers are still slowly raising the price. As the price rises gradually, the demand is gradually decreasing. So yes, this is supply and demand, I kept most of the more complicated terms out of this as I was using supply and demand in very simple forms.
NiGHTSintodreams	Posted - 2006.10.30 04:27:00 - [45] Originally by: Blind Man the price went up BECAUSE of the boost coming. QFE --- It's a dream paradox...
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:12:00 - [46] Originally by: 2SecondsTilMidnight Gorion Wassenar, do you know anything about economics at all? I'll try to make this simple, although you'll probably just say "stfu caldari n00b'. The supplier sets a price that they try to make the maximum profit. In eve, T2 BPOs are limited, so supply is limited. T1 BPOs are MUCH more plentiful because you can buy them on the market. Due to the limited supply of T2 BPOs, the suppliers can generally charge quite a bit since theres a fairly high demand for them. However this doesn't mean that they can charge 100bil for a T2 cruiser for example. Because then the demand wouldn't be very high for a 100bil isk T2 cruiser. Since NH BPOs are very limited to a few, those few are the suppliers of nighthawks and thus has the power to raise the price as long as the demand doesn't drop to practically zero. Since the current price of the nighthawk is still "reasonable" for the demand, the suppliers are still slowly raising the price. As the price rises gradually, the demand is gradually decreasing. So yes, this is supply and demand, I kept most of the more complicated terms out of this as I was using supply and demand in very simple forms. Your confusing the nouns of "supply" and "demand" with the economic principle "supply and demand". You cannot rationalize most of the market stuff in Eve with real world laws because of the very way, although the most advanced market for any MMO I've yet seen, is still limited by the artificial fact that there is a set number of BPOs for t2 stuff. In the real world the chances of someone not making a knockoff or cheaper version of a successful item is fairly low. Since there are so few BPO's for t2 in some cases the sellers could get together and all agree to sell at an inflated price and there would be nothing we could do about it since there would be no way another supply could be gained short of GM intervention. Heck, this might already be a fact. When all is said and done they are still selling a ship worth 17-24 mil in items and minerals for 200+ mil. Why? Because they can and if we want the latest in pwnmobile warfare we're going to have to swallow whatever price they feel like posting. NH were 80-100 or so mil about 2 weeks ago and I've seen it raise to about 250 mil since the NH changes were announced. That is a change of 250% of what it was going for and a 150% increase in its price. That is not a "small" increase, they're seeing how far they can gouge. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.30 05:23:00 - [47] Many if not most amarr ships need a boost, the absolution is definitely not one of them. As dalman talked about, the upper end of loot items and t2 ships is set by mission runners. The nighthawk will become the best mission ship with the boost so the hordes of MSORPG (massively singleplayer online role playing game :) :\|) mission runners will start to gobble these things up. The number of people who either solely do mission or have an alt with which they do missions is staggering, but the proportion of those people who do missions in caldari ships is even more unbelievable. What I don't understand is why nothing seems to have changed after mission rewards were lowered. Shouldn't that decrease the isk available to mission runners and drive down prices? The Enemy's Gate is Down

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