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ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union 363	Posted - 2015.04.13 16:48:56 - [1] - Quote Can someone from CCP please answer the following? I 1st posted this in the input duplication thread, with no response.... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5605658#post5605658 -- Can someone from CCP please clarify what Team Security presented during Fanfest? VFX / Rollover Questions They seem to say its "client modification" if you put VFX inside your client window. Then state to "read the EULA" and that these programs modify the client. CCP's Example of a modified Client That is of course false, since your just using built in Window DWM / AERO features (the same thing you see when you hold alt-tab). This is a built in windows feature that you could implement on your PC without using tools like ISBoxer, which just makes it easier. In fact CCP is helping development one now. If I use the CCP endorsed DWM tool, which modifies how the game client is presented, am I not in the same violation? EVE-O preview - multi-client preview That program is EASILY following the same pathway that ISBoxer uses to modify clients for easier window management, it could VERY QUICKLY turn into the same exact feature set (would that be falling into some kind of copyright infringement, CCP?) However since they are seemingly intent on calling Windows Features "client modification", using VFX and Rollover OUTSIDE the client cant be considered client modification. So if I use VFX, Clickbars, round-robin etc OUTSIDE the client window, I am not modifying the client in anyway, so therefor I am not in violation if I am using CCP's strict interperation of the rules. This is an example of a dxnothing window that DOES NOT in anyway put anything inside the EVE Client Window. This MUST be within the EULA based on CCP's presentation. (Before anyone harps the "3rd party tool for an advantage to the average player" garbage, 1st defend the CCP endorsed EVE-O Preview tool, Evernus, Elinor, EVEHQ and many other 3rd party programs that give you an advantage over others). Rollover / Keymapping Specific Question Assuming that using Rollover buttons OUTSIDE of the client is ok, since im not "modifying the client", then what is the issue? Am I not allowed to send a "left mouse button click" when I move my mouse? In Team Security's presentation they stated you CAN use Touch Screens. Ok, can I use a Touch Screen to activate a bunch of modules in a row (like all of my low slots)? Is using Touch Screens ok but using Rollover's not ok? What about just re-mapping the keys from my clients onto my keyboard or another input device? Are we allowed to make key remaps? Can I remap F1 on Client #2 to F2 instead? If I get a Xkey 80 and assign each button, I could easily use bombers almost as effeicently as using Rollover or Input Duplication... Is this allowed? Its certainty not a macro, just a key remap? How would CCP know the difference though? I can hit 16 + buttons in a second using my fingers, what if i just took my fist and smashed all the keys? There is a simple solution to all of this vagueness If you dont want to name features directly then draw a line " you cannot send more then x commands to your clients in x seconds." Simple, easy to follow, no confusion. Something like that would be completely feature agnostic. This current vagueness is complete garbage. I and others have outlined questions and concerns at Dual-boxing.com http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52086-Team-Security-EVE-Fanfest-presentation-1500-GMT-on-Saturday-March-21st?p=397319&viewfull=1#post397319 Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances
ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union 364	Posted - 2015.04.13 20:54:08 - [2] - Quote Sigh... Peligro there are many questions in that post you can easily answer, like if I can make key-remaps, can I use a touch screen to activate modules or is using video fx out of the client considered "client modification". I cannot wrap my head around everytime you guys respond it's "read the EULA". The EULA doesn't answer this question and you guys refuse to clarify. Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances
ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union 364	Posted - 2015.04.13 22:13:23 - [3] - Quote Can I use Windows to do the key assignment? Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances
ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union 364	Posted - 2015.04.14 04:09:06 - [4] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: I'm trying that's why I'm not using any of the fancy stuff in windows and I'm only running eve clients. Outside of that video is a screen to my right that has a nestor and is part of the primary system. To the left is a secondary system that uses a second keyboard and mouse along with a dedicated monitor. That system runs my booster. ore dropper and second nestor. Seen here http://i.imgur.com/7spamN0.jpg I hate to say this, but I do so with 100% honesty. If your "too fast" compared to a baseline that we dont know of, you will probably get banned assuming we are to believe the half or so dozen people who reported the same. CCP has no method to tell the difference if your using a macro (unless its painfully obvious) or you are just good at multiboxing and alt-tabbing... Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances
ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union 367	Posted - 2015.04.14 17:46:04 - [5] - Quote Nolak Ataru wrote: Dersen Lowery wrote: So CCP have to be able to rule out the use of system tools and features if they enable impossible levels of speed or efficiency. Because that really is the goal. You're talking about actual bots, not ISBoxer. ISBoxer is no faster than an identical fleet with identical pilots, fits, implants, SP, an experience. ISBoxers are still subject to human error; bots are not. and in almost all cases slower then a fleet of people instead of alts Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances
ShadowandLight Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union 367	Posted - 2015.04.14 20:23:03 - [6] - Quote geton gettinon wrote: CCP Peligro wrote: Please continue the "input broadcasting" or "multiplexing" or "I can't read and I'd like to troll Peligro" discussions in this existing thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571&find=unread I've deleted some off-topic discussions and rabble-rousing. You mean that thread where a dev hasn't responded for 5 months and 150 pages of discussion? when they do respond its "read the EULA" or "you might be operating in a gray area, so please send us a petition" which when you send in a petition they respond with "read the EULA" I swear to god they are printing out these posts, sticking them on the wall at CCP and laughing at how stupid they must think we are Legacy - An EVE Online Blog Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances

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