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violator2k5 Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.01 10:26:00 - [91] im curious did anyone try a hyperion and null with tank and tracking enhancers in the mids? if so how did it weight out? did the tracking mods help or is it still to unstable?
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:16:00 - [92] From my understanding, the Hyperion isn't on Sisi because the model isn't finished. Not that it matters, Blasterboats are nerfed into oblivion in Kali. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
Kooraia	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:39:00 - [93] I have to agree with the OP in most cases. - the new gallente ships will need a tweak - nerfed T2 ammo will need a tweak too - rigs are for the rich, however, i really wonder that there`s no rig lottery, anyways, looking forward to a uber crystal rig shield set - HP boost: good idea, but what about the NPC? case 1 - they getting boosted too: missions and ratting heavily nerfed case 2 - left as is: missions and ratting boosted heavily - cap/blaster/laser issue: /signed <-> OP - what about drone hp? In general terms, if things go out to TQ tweaks will come after weeks of whining and balancing discussion, causing damage to EvE in that time
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:48:00 - [94] Originally by: Hellraiza666 -New Map - Waste of time, why attempt to fix something that isn't broke? -The new gang system and skills - Yes, great make us train even more skills just to play with our friends. You can't fix the lag so instead you nerf gangs and make us have to train a rank 8 skill and a rank 12 just to have fleet fights. Again, gang system is fine, why attempt to fix something THAT ISN'T BROKE. -Null nerf - Ok maybe this did need nerfing, but at the most all it needed was a little taken off the range bonus. No need to render it useless. - Hyperion - W00t, a blasterthron that got no trackin bonus, along with the tracking nerf on t2 blaster ammo. Way to create a useless ship. If anything it going to be used more as a railboat, Exactly the opposite to what you wanted. I agree with those 4 points. HP boost and some nerfs are ok for me.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.02 10:02:00 - [95] I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
MOS DEF E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.02 10:17:00 - [96] Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. Actually it is the other way round. Fighters are very weak and can be shot down very easy. Now that battles will last longer you have more time to kill them. If you let your fighters follow a target into warp you might as well browse the market for replacements.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.11.02 16:32:00 - [97] I bet the Null nerf is because of Rokh . So basically Caldari get their third good ship and In same time Gallente get one of their nice ammos nerfed so that Caldari wont be able to use it. Could that be the reason. . if so make the **** Hyperion in to railboat as well then.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 17:43:00 - [98] Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. i agree that carriers and dreads need HP boost. But i dont agree with hp boost to all the ships ><. Battleships dont need HP boost. Cruisers dont, and frigs dont ><, just devs being ass's
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.11.02 19:55:00 - [99] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. i agree that carriers and dreads need HP boost. But i dont agree with hp boost to all the ships ><. Battleships dont need HP boost. Cruisers dont, and frigs dont ><, just devs being ass's But can you tell us why you feel they dont need HP boost. ? are you affraid that youcannot kill them fast enough after the chainge or what is it ?
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 21:32:00 - [100] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. i agree that carriers and dreads need HP boost. But i dont agree with hp boost to all the ships ><. Battleships dont need HP boost. Cruisers dont, and frigs dont ><, just devs being ass's But can you tell us why you feel they dont need HP boost. ? are you affraid that youcannot kill them fast enough after the chainge or what is it ? Have you not read any of this thread? ive explained it like 50 times. The HP boost is a stealth boost to caldari and minmatar and the domi, and a GIANT GIANT nerf to cap hungry ships, like the apoc, geddon and the blasterthron. These cap hungry ships are going to run out of cap before the enemy is down. It gets low on cap fighting a ship with todays amount of HP, nevermind 50% more HP Its effectively going to cripple amarr and the megathron. Its also going to be a boost to NOS, as cap will be much more important for the amarr and megathron. Its going to need a HUGE boost to cap so that it can keep weapons firing and Some of a tank without being empty half way through the fight Tux is making stupid decisions without thinking of the consequences. All hes done is gone, OMG TWICE THE HITPOINTS, MEANS TWICE AS LONG TO KILL!!!111, LETS DO IT! "
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.02 21:48:00 - [101] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. i agree that carriers and dreads need HP boost. But i dont agree with hp boost to all the ships ><. Battleships dont need HP boost. Cruisers dont, and frigs dont ><, just devs being ass's But can you tell us why you feel they dont need HP boost. ? are you affraid that youcannot kill them fast enough after the chainge or what is it ? Have you not read any of this thread? ive explained it like 50 times. The HP boost is a stealth boost to caldari and minmatar and the domi, and a GIANT GIANT nerf to cap hungry ships, like the apoc, geddon and the blasterthron. These cap hungry ships are going to run out of cap before the enemy is down. It gets low on cap fighting a ship with todays amount of HP, nevermind 50% more HP Its effectively going to cripple amarr and the megathron. Its also going to be a boost to NOS, as cap will be much more important for the amarr and megathron. Its going to need a HUGE boost to cap so that it can keep weapons firing and Some of a tank without being empty half way through the fight Tux is making stupid decisions without thinking of the consequences. All hes done is gone, OMG TWICE THE HITPOINTS, MEANS TWICE AS LONG TO KILL!!!111, LETS DO IT! " In that case would you advocate an extra hitpoint boost to gallente and amarrian ships to settle this imbalance? At the end of the day the devs have said that this is the direction that they think is best for the game: shorter range, smaller, longer fights, with capital ships playing an active role on the battlefield rather than a pasive one at a deepsafe or POS. Tanking ships over ganking ships is what they think will make fleet battles more than just primary seconday. ----
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.02 22:37:00 - [102] Originally by: Matrix Aran Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Kaylana Syi I think you are missing the big picture. Needing ammo, cap and tanking supplements because of the HP boost means carriers will have FAR more use in pvp. From roaming frig swarms to the moving armies of battelships, carriers will need to be brought into stategic places. The plate/extender boost sucks... but the rest of kali is pretty sexy. i agree that carriers and dreads need HP boost. But i dont agree with hp boost to all the ships ><. Battleships dont need HP boost. Cruisers dont, and frigs dont ><, just devs being ass's But can you tell us why you feel they dont need HP boost. ? are you affraid that youcannot kill them fast enough after the chainge or what is it ? Have you not read any of this thread? ive explained it like 50 times. The HP boost is a stealth boost to caldari and minmatar and the domi, and a GIANT GIANT nerf to cap hungry ships, like the apoc, geddon and the blasterthron. These cap hungry ships are going to run out of cap before the enemy is down. It gets low on cap fighting a ship with todays amount of HP, nevermind 50% more HP Its effectively going to cripple amarr and the megathron. Its also going to be a boost to NOS, as cap will be much more important for the amarr and megathron. Its going to need a HUGE boost to cap so that it can keep weapons firing and Some of a tank without being empty half way through the fight Tux is making stupid decisions without thinking of the consequences. All hes done is gone, OMG TWICE THE HITPOINTS, MEANS TWICE AS LONG TO KILL!!!111, LETS DO IT! " In that case would you advocate an extra hitpoint boost to gallente and amarrian ships to settle this imbalance? At the end of the day the devs have said that this is the direction that they think is best for the game: shorter range, smaller, longer fights, with capital ships playing an active role on the battlefield rather than a pasive one at a deepsafe or POS. Tanking ships over ganking ships is what they think will make fleet battles more than just primary seconday. What use is extra hitpoints if we cant even fire our weapons due to no cap. If they going to increase HP all round then they better increase the cap on amarrian ships and the megathron.
Destroyer Draxx Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.11.03 07:40:00 - [103] I fully agree with hellraiza. As far as the hitpoint boost goes, it a way that CCP can reduce the amount of petitions they get. Fleet combat...ppl start crushing....ships get picked off b4 emergency warp....petition. More hitpoints = more ships will make the warp in one piece = less petitions. 2 years ago CCP decided that Eve should be group oriented, main combat should be fleet combat etc. Nodes are having a problem coping with it. Then they said they didnt want gank ships so they introduced dmg mods stacking. 2 weeks later they introduced T2 ammo dealing more dmg . Now they are boosting hitpoints and at the same time introducing rigs and combat boosters. Chasing my tail 4tw. Moreover i think EW ships should be have same jam "strength" as now or more, without fitting the low slot thingies. If ppl have a problem with that they should try fitting ECCMs n then c how uber EW really is. So Far So Good....So What
Aphotic Raven	Posted - 2006.11.03 07:50:00 - [104] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Hellraiza666 have some fun with ladies and hang out with some friends. blatant lie Seconded. Less time spent lying, more time spent understanding the changes is needed.
Tetovo Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.03 07:58:00 - [105] Personally I have no problem with the HP boost just that so far it hasn't been followed by the necessary cap boost. I think all Null needed was a range reduction. Now there is no reason to use it, ever. I think now tank>gank. I wish we could find a balance where tank and gank can have an interesting fight. I like in the idea behind the hp/range changes. No more instapopping by snipers from max lock range. But instead of reducing ganks, it will just encourage people to bring more friends to chew through the new tanks. Caldari and Min with their no cap weapons will be kings. I think we'll all adapt but I think this makes eve combat less exciting. I wanted to train for a blasterthron because from what I saw, it was fun as hell and was pretty **** good at what it did. Now I'll probably just go rails and pound my enemy from 200k where he is just a little white square on my screen. It's not the end of the world though. All kali needs is a slight nerf to passive takes, a decent cap boost and a slight unnerfing of the T2 ammos and were rolling. Longer yet fast paced battles instead of the slow tankfests these changes have brought. And for christ's sake, amarr is just horrible and got worse with these changes, that's a whole other thread on its own.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.03 18:10:00 - [106] Originally by: Aphotic Raven Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Hellraiza666 have some fun with ladies and hang out with some friends. blatant lie Seconded. Less time spent lying, more time spent understanding the changes is needed.

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