1) Unviable ship. No yield, no extra meaningful tank compared to T1 variant. Takes a goon to be bad at mining...
2) You can only have cans in blue donut, otherwise you're just inviting "special" individuals.

Unsure how I feel about the Mercoxit reduction. That seems like it's going to greatly affect all T2 production but time will tell i suppose. I always found it tedious to mine to begin with and you require quite a bit if yo're going to make anything substantial in any moderate quantity. I kinda expected about 25-50% more mercoxit in the null belts since that's really the only place you can get it.

Querns & Mr Omniblivion

I'm still surprised to see you guys so enthused by these changes. I still think CCP needs to be taken to task for continually introducing content that breaks things and then simply applying band aides to fix things instead of addressing problems head on.

I'm sure both of you can remember (and if not can at least look it up) that both Zyd and Mega used to be well above 4k per unit. I remember being able to mine in an 8 mining laser apoc and still being able to make some decent money back then (that was before barges had a good tank and the apoc was a great belt rat tank and miner back then) It wasn't until the drone regions and before mining anoms that things started to get wonky. Its was that new content that broke the game in terms of mining viability (aka isk per hour) given the steep drop in mineral prices.

Anyway, regardless, what I'm getting at is that if this does work, aka industry picks up in null, I still think because of the way anoms work that you will end up with excess high ends. In other words even with the doubling of zyd and mega usage in everything, if you guys actually start doing real industry in null like you want, the extra industry is going to offset the doubling and we end up right back with cheap zyd and mega that makes mining really not worth what it used to be.

Fozzy im not seeing that much variance between the belts...

the figures I have in the pic are max possible refine (tier 3 minmatar, max skills, +4 implant)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/09f8xcee00ys4ta/ores.jpg?dl=0


as you can see, the variance between mineral per m3 after the small belt is almost identical for every belt.

if you were to make it so one belt provided more, the small would stay as it is.
the large would need mex to be 200%
the xl put nocxium at 20 to 30%
the xxl should have the greater highends to make it more valuable, say 8% zydrine and 4% mega.

as it is. the belt that everyone is going to mine is the small, because it has the highest % of all the lowends

Sounds good, so when are LS and HS going to be absolved of having to import from NS?

Why should the people who work the least to get the anomaly belts get the best yields from it??

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1pd703om7e9n03/ores2.jpg?dl=0

But NS has access to tons of trit, its not my fault or CCPs fault people simply DONT mine it. Its easier to just buy in bulk in HS already broken down, compressed yada yada. Still does not change the fact TRIT has always been available in large supply to NS folks...they just don't mine it. (probably because mining is god awful boring).

Main difference, again for the folks who obviously DONT read either, is that HS CANT mine for megacyte in any capacity. The only source for Megacyte in HS and LS is gun mining.

CANT and DONT are two very different words. You should look them up in a dictionary sometime.

NICE REGION, WE'LL TAKE IT!

Upgraded Ore Anomalies are all uniform, however.

You actually haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about, do you?

Looking at the southern regions, all I see is trace amounts of trit bunged up in random stations at 4 isk per unit. Trit is too costly to move, so it makes sense that if you have some you can't use, you firesale it and pray for a buyer. Bots would be generating vastly larger sums of trit than this. Pretty weak.

1) Skiff is good for trolling suicide wankers, because they're mad about it as heck. For anything else, it's highly impractical. It has a prohibitively high cost for its lack of yield and almost no meaningful improvement compared to an order of magnitude cheaper Procurer. The only grace it has in null is dying longer. The only grace it has in high is that it's marginally harder to bump. The only thing keeping the miner safe is the minimal field exposure, and this means full yield full attention is the only way. Skiff has to stay on field 20% longer than much cheaper Covetor, which is making it unviable.
2) Cans are cretin magnets. Even if all you have in then isn't worth a spit. Any of them special olympics team members get super excited every time he sees a can, it must have an irresistible icon enabling stupid mode for so many people. They are going to flip it even if there's a "flip me to confirm being room temperature IQ" sign on it. Then they get bored in 15 seconds and start bumping you out of spite. Using cans in hisec is therefore... unappealing, and in null you don't need to constantly orbit stuff anyway.

I understand I'm doing the futile thing, trying to punch sense into a gewn here, but hey, I tried.


I did not include regions where human mining is below 10% of volume.

Jetcans? Don't think I've seen anyone really using jetcans in high sec since before 2012... lol. Those damn Retrievers and Macks have ridiculously big ore holds. I'm not sure there is any benefit to mining to a jetcan, then flying in a hauler to pick it up. For a short while, after the mining ship changes, I used to see Hulks use jetcans, with tractor-equipped Orcas to pick up, but Hulks are pretty easy to gank these days.

you have evidence about this right?

"Put off the change until every niggling real or imagined flaw is resolved" is one of the oldest gaffes in the book.

they have basically done this.

they have reduced the amount of mercoxit in the anomaly belts by 85% while increasing the yield by 2%.
people who roll the belts will no longer mine the 10k per large belt, the 35k in the enorm or the 35k per colossal.
so now, instead of producing 2.8m units of excess per month, we will now produce between 200 and 450k dependant on which belts are mined,.
this will drastically reduce the supply to highsec, causing the price to climb.

you can already see it climbing, I wouldn't be surprised if it hits 12 or 14k by year end, and actually be worth hunting to mine in quantity.

So I missed a ******* comma.
Are you just intentionally daft? Or are you actually incapable of rational thinking? **** me.