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DaReaper
Net 7
1941
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:03:19 -
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So many space lawyers.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:07:34 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:RDevz wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Real talk: does CCP actually have a legal team? What kind of lawyers would seriously advise them that the best way to avoid IP issues is by creating a blatantly derivative work? I'm not a lawyer, and this was the compromise that our legal counsel came up with. If you have an issue with this, feel free to contact our legal department and they'll be able to advise you further. Based on these compromises, I'm having trouble believing that your legal counsel are lawyers. If you could give details for contacting your legal department, it'd be much appreciated. Specifically, I'll be asking the following questions: 1) Why, exactly, was a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, perpetual, royalty-free licence to do whatever you want with a logo unacceptable, given the set of people who can grant permission to do what you're planning on doing with logos is a subset of the set of people able to grant such a licence? 2) Given copyright exists and begins at the point of creation of a work, how is it possible to submit something that isn't copyrighted? 3) If derivative works are copyright to the organisation or person doing the modification, can I apply a distress filter to Eve artwork and pass it off as my own? Alternatively, if CCP Legal could post here instead of hard-worked community managers absorbing the flak from their customers, that'd work. Our legal team is based in our atlanta office, you can find their mailing address on the ccp games website
Alas, there's no email address for CCP Legal on www.ccp.is - Are you really responding to serious questions about policy by expecting me to go on a snipe hunt to find a postal address?
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
441
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:14:21 -
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RDevz wrote:Alas, there's no email address for CCP Legal on www.ccp.is - Are you really responding to serious questions about policy by expecting me to go on a snipe hunt to find a postal address?
North America CCP North America / White Wolf Publishing 250 East Ponce De Leon Ave Suite 700 Decatur, GA 30030-3440 USA Tel. (+1) 770-413-3022
That was hard. I spent literally seconds looking for it.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1943
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:16:14 -
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Elenahina wrote:RDevz wrote:Alas, there's no email address for CCP Legal on www.ccp.is - Are you really responding to serious questions about policy by expecting me to go on a snipe hunt to find a postal address? North America CCP North America / White Wolf Publishing 250 East Ponce De Leon Ave Suite 700 Decatur, GA 30030-3440 USA Tel. (+1) 770-413-3022 That was hard. I spent literally seconds looking for it.
in addition [email protected]
google is your friend, learn to use it. took 2 seconds
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:19:47 -
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Those two beat me to it c: I was about to say... first think I did was clicking "public relations" and then I scrolled down to the bottom. And wooosh! informatiooooooon! I mean, seriously, have people become so lazy? :c |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
441
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:21:22 -
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Natya Mebelle wrote:I mean, seriously, have people become so lazy? :c
Unfortunately, yes. Stupid and ridiculous, too. Like a bunch of Rhesus monkeys with vocabularies.
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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:08:56 -
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Well okay, maybe not "people". That is a bad generalization. Maybe... "those people"... would be more inclusive. I guess? Not wanting to insult the three people including myself who proved a single person how easy it was to get the required info c: |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2251
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:25:46 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Restricting creativity with some of these rules is a foolish mistake. You're forgetting that CCP is a company, that sells there product 'Eve Online'. And when you sell a product, you want it to look good.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Raziel Walker
Lucifer's Hammer A Band Apart.
26
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:50:59 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Ultimately, the logo will be reviewed by one of our art directors and it'll be their taste and judgment that determines the outcome.
So you can submit the same aliance log twice, have a different art director review it and one will determine it's not to their taste while the other might just approve it. Just as with support tickets, depending on who reviews your case it might get approved or denied?
To be fair, if the bee image survived from earth to EVE (even if extinct and like the jaguar or wolf it's just a mythological creature) is it that hard to imagine a dystopian setting where people use bright colors and cartoony images for shock value, to lift the spirits of their members or any other reason?
Same as with pink ship skins. Capsuleers are megalomaniac hedonistic mass murderers almost without exception according to the lore. So it's pretty much a given that a capsuleer empire should be able to arrange for pink ships or genocide all planets that produce non-pink colours. |
Snoop Dong
Oruze Cruise
17
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:05:11 -
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Putting a watermark on the logos? Fine.
Having restrictions on alliance member count? Fine.
Forcing your devs grim-dark fetish on your playerbase? Disgraceful.
The main draw of eve is the sandbox, anyone can join and explore this universe. People can meet up and form corporations. Over the course of many years they may grow and form an alliance. They may take sov and build a real identity. You would think these players would be allowed create their own logo without catering to some devs personal artist vision?
These alliances are the main draw for new players, behind most logos there are years of player driven story. But instead of embracing the different cultures and identities, you chose to step on it.
Which would seem more interesting to you? Creative and diverse logos that represent the long story of player involvement. Or a bunch of grim-dark skulls and letters? Certainly not the latter.
As long as there are no legal issues, and nothing rude, anything should go.
They built the alliance, they should decide. |
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1593
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:16:49 -
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They've apparently already started rejecting logos for not being space emo grimdark enough, so it would seem they are going for "Skulls And Letters In Space" instead of interesting player content.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
368
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:34:40 -
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Snoop Dong wrote:Putting a watermark on the logos? Fine.
Having restrictions on alliance member count? Fine.
Forcing your devs grim-dark fetish on your playerbase? Disgraceful.
The main draw of eve is the sandbox, anyone can join and explore this universe. People can meet up and form corporations. Over the course of many years they may grow and form an alliance. They may take sov and build a real identity. You would think these players would be allowed create their own logo without catering to some devs personal artist vision?
These alliances are the main draw for new players, behind most logos there are years of player driven story. But instead of embracing the different cultures and identities, you chose to step on it.
Which would seem more interesting to you? Creative and diverse logos that represent the long story of player involvement. Or a bunch of grim-dark skulls and letters? Certainly not the latter.
As long as there are no legal issues, and nothing rude, anything should go.
They built the alliance, they should decide.
Kinda gotta agree with some of this, if you look at old ww2 planes they always put fun cartoony paintings on the nose of the planes, however it may be best to see what sort of logos get accepted and rejected before making proper judgement
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
451
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:46:57 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:They've apparently already started rejecting logos for not being space emo grimdark enough, so it would seem they are going for "Skulls And Letters In Space" instead of interesting player content.
Help Help I'm being oppressed!
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1547
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:23:16 -
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Elenahina wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:They've apparently already started rejecting logos for not being space emo grimdark enough, so it would seem they are going for "Skulls And Letters In Space" instead of interesting player content. Help Help I'm being oppressed!
To be fair, there's a line between consistency and monotony. In the case of EVE Scout, grimdark fails to capture what they're about, and that's job #1 for a logo. Is Red Frog Freight supposed to look like a bunch of violent mercenaries? (Those are their mains! )
Also, if there's a place where Comic Sans is nowhere to be found, can you really call it a dystopia? I'd move there in a heartbeat. I mean, it's even abused horribly by corporations! It's perfect!
More seriously, the grimdark-for-everyone policy rules out any number of dystopian options, from the Orwellian father-knows-best overlord with its slick, feel-good propaganda to the genuinely well-meaning but disastrous computer in Paranoia, to the once-good-but-corrupted institution that still wears the whites and the lions rampant that it chose when it was good. How about violent radicals who appropriate the banner of the much more moderate organization they are trying to overthrow? How about good-seeming front corporations, or innocuous laundering corps? Sisters of EVE, right? Isn't the Guristas skullbunny cartoony and silly? All of this stuff is already in game. Why can't we have it?
These are all academic questions to me--I've never spent a significant amount of time in an alliance big enough to qualify for a logo, and I'm not even in an alliance now. But in terms of the EVE Universe as I've come to know it, this seems like a bit of a straitjacket.
Oh, and there's the minor detail that I find grimdark absurd, and I find absurdity hilarious.
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Slow Poke
Demon-War-Lords
0
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:38:34 -
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CCP approved color pallet : colors |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1594
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:44:46 -
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Elenahina wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:They've apparently already started rejecting logos for not being space emo grimdark enough, so it would seem they are going for "Skulls And Letters In Space" instead of interesting player content. Help Help I'm being oppressed!
Eh, the logo we'll most likely be submitting is very space themed and non-cartoony. If it does get rejected, it should be easy enough to alter it and get it in. We'll find out in July when we're old enough :)
So I'm not being oppressed. I just think it's a dumb policy.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
787
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:04:00 -
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Elenahina wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:They've apparently already started rejecting logos for not being space emo grimdark enough, so it would seem they are going for "Skulls And Letters In Space" instead of interesting player content. Help Help I'm being oppressed! Every post from you in this thread that I've seen is just you complaining about people that are complaining because they have legitimate gripes. You don't actually have any relevant input. |
Darin Raltin
404 Ship Not Found Violent Declaration
2
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:11:53 -
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Well, its begun. A five year old logo has been denied, but its a good thing that the name-brand alliances are (maybe) being grandfathered.
http://i.imgur.com/MQL9fSX.png
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/32xcli/x_up_if_your_alliance_logo_was_rejected_due_to |
Nyctef
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
120
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:12:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Irregessa wrote:Reading the guidelines, I would expect that the following alliances would not have their present logos accepted due being cartoon-like/anarchonistic:
GSF TEST NC SMA LAWN Fweddit INIT. SOUND IRC -7-
Some of the most established and recognized alliances in the game. Things that you don't expect often happen, and assumption is the mother of all mistakes.
Why even have guidelines if you're not going to follow them?
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Zephyr Aviora
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
0
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:40:02 -
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Snoop Dong wrote:Putting a watermark on the logos? Fine.
Having restrictions on alliance member count? Fine.
Forcing your devs grim-dark fetish on your playerbase? Disgraceful.
The main draw of eve is the sandbox, anyone can join and explore this universe. People can meet up and form corporations. Over the course of many years they may grow and form an alliance. They may take sov and build a real identity. You would think these players would be allowed create their own logo without catering to some devs personal artist vision?
These alliances are the main draw for new players, behind most logos there are years of player driven story. But instead of embracing the different cultures and identities, you chose to step on it.
Which would seem more interesting to you? Creative and diverse logos that represent the long story of player involvement. Or a bunch of grim-dark skulls and letters? Certainly not the latter.
As long as there are no legal issues, and nothing rude, anything should go.
They built the alliance, they should decide.
This
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
454
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Posted - 2015.04.18 02:53:06 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Elenahina wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:They've apparently already started rejecting logos for not being space emo grimdark enough, so it would seem they are going for "Skulls And Letters In Space" instead of interesting player content. Help Help I'm being oppressed! Every post from you in this thread that I've seen is just you complaining about people that are complaining because they have legitimate gripes. You don't actually have any relevant input.
Actually I offered several posts of relevant input, but people were too busy running like chickens with their heads chopped off to A) Think things through rationally and B) Follow the instructions given to them by Fozzie to get actual answers to their legitimate gripes.
So rather than trying to be the soft breeze of reason, I decided to add to the storm of inanity that this thread has degenerated into.
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Georgiy Giggle
REFORD Division REFORD
127
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Posted - 2015.04.18 07:55:06 -
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Custom logos with watermark now look awful. I'm not satisfied.
Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established.
- Confucius
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Karti Aivo
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.04.18 11:24:26 -
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FREE PLAYER CREATIVITY
CCPlease, stop acting stupid like around General TsoGÇÖs Alliance' Logo.
Get your SciFi Straight!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/32xcli/x_up_if_your_alliance_logo_was_rejected_due_to/cqfptkz
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Wendrika Hydreiga
289
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Posted - 2015.04.18 13:24:41 -
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Slow Poke wrote:CCP approved color pallet : colors
Funny enough, all of the Guristas cammo pallet colors are represented there (all three of them). And half of the know factions of EVE too!
I'm okay with this.
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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.04.18 13:27:09 -
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Nyctef wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Things that you don't expect often happen, and assumption is the mother of all mistakes. Why even have guidelines if you're not going to follow them?
Let me allow to quote you something from the other thread;
"Cartoon images have a lower chance of approval, but if they are well produced, follow all the other requirements, then they will most likely approved."
So there we go with all your fears of cancelled nose-arts... c: Looks like you'll be mostly fine. As for the logo that got rejected; It would be nice to include the reason why it was rejected. I could understand the chinese-fastfood-box with chopsticks wouldn't exactly what fits the eve universe, from their point of view. Other than that, I think the most of the alliance names posted previously look like they're have no problem.
There is one thing I'd like to point out though, with the entire "npc corporations are different" and all... It is absolutely unrealistic that several different empires are using the SAME DESIGN STYLE of logos for their corporations and factions. Just look at the variety of logos on our planet Earth alone. They vary from highly detailed to flat-stylistic to abstract. Forcing logo submissions based on ship-skin compatibility to "drop out" of this context, only to be again overlayed with a watermark image that tries to get that grit on, doesn't quite cut it in my opinion.
If you try to look for proper immersion in the game, then please give us these options to blend into the environment c: This is why I ask again to allow us a properly detailed 128x128 submission alongside the 512x512 flattened one for future ship skin additions. Please c: The concord star in the top right should be absolutely sufficient, and if we get the legal stuff right to allow license of use without dipping into the nebula of derivative works, all will be good c: |
Infrequent
Vanilla.
81
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:21:16 -
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The fact that General Tso's Alliance's logo got rejected, despite that the content of the image does fit in with the Eve universe is a huge mistake. I don't doubt that there's discussion going on to sort this out but CCP seriously, stop before you create one big train wreck because that is where this is heading. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
371
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Posted - 2015.04.19 16:15:49 -
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Infrequent wrote:The fact that General Tso's Alliance's logo got rejected, despite that the content of the image does fit in with the Eve universe is a huge mistake. I don't doubt that there's discussion going on to sort this out but CCP seriously, stop before you create one big train wreck because that is where this is heading.
Got a screenshot of the rejected logo?
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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.04.19 19:06:01 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Got a screenshot of the rejected logo?
*stares blankly* *points to the same page of this topic, a few entries earlier* I don't even...
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
459
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:09:23 -
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Natya Mebelle wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Got a screenshot of the rejected logo? *stares blankly* *points to the same page of this topic, a few entries earlier* I don't even...
I hate to repeat myself, but...
Elenahina wrote:Natya Mebelle wrote:I mean, seriously, have people become so lazy? :c Unfortunately, yes. Stupid and ridiculous, too. Like a bunch of Rhesus monkeys with vocabularies.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
374
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Posted - 2015.04.20 11:15:16 -
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not really lazyness, i did see that logo but i actually thought it was a different submission, sorry my bad
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