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Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:44:47 - [1] - Quote L4. Teach me. I read all the guides, using T2 mods and faction weapons\sentry drones. This mission doesn't seems to worth the effort of killing everything except blitzing as it happens yo uare attacked in there with all 4 damage type and you are facing all rat types. Royally annoying. So any point trying to kill everything in there? "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 281	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:56:30 - [2] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: L4. Teach me. I read all the guides, using T2 mods and faction weapons\sentry drones. This mission doesn't seems to worth the effort of killing everything except blitzing as it happens yo uare attacked in there with all 4 damage type and you are facing all rat types. Royally annoying. So any point trying to kill everything in there? Alpha the pirate in room 2 and you get an implant iirc. I'm my own NPC alt.
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.20 18:59:38 - [3] - Quote I don't think any implant ever dropped there. I remember 3 missions which gives good implant drop: 1. Angel Extravaganza 2. some mission with blood raiders chapel. 3. some storyline mission which gives as mission reward that leadership implant. But from what I read with enough alpha you can kill scarlet twice and get 10 mill in bounties. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Daerrol Furtherance. 114	Posted - 2015.04.20 19:11:43 - [4] - Quote Or be scrub like me and burn her down in room 3. Yes it's worth it. Kill any rats on the way to get gate, kill anire. Get like 15m for 5 mintues of playtime
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:09:43 - [5] - Quote Daerrol, I thought as much. cheers. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 579	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:28:42 - [6] - Quote With good large projectile skills you can one shot here in room 2, and then again in room 3; and she drops an implant. Pick up the implant, warp out, complete mission with agent. Now you can do a whole mission clear and kill everything, hover up all the loot, and salvage the wrecks; that will take you awhile, but will give some decent bounties. Some people say a complete mission clear is worth it, but in missioning the LP is where the real isk is at; so it is better to blitz and get on to the next mission.
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.20 20:30:59 - [7] - Quote this specific mission is problematic because you need omni tank and omni gank as you encounter loads of pirate types in same pocket so it's lot of field refitting or warping to station and back... so not worth the effort I think.. maybe on marauder or something. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1050	Posted - 2015.04.20 21:45:43 - [8] - Quote with a ship like a rattlesnake I will take 2 sets of sentries and a gecko and omnitank my ship, deals with a clear all in an almost afk fashion. I omnitank my ships in general as I don't really want someone warping in with a gank ship and hitting my resist hole (I tested torp raven vs kronos a while back, 2-3 volleys of nova rage torps and bye bye kronos). plus I have the skills and fit where my ships kill enemy ships fast enough I don't really have to worry too much about tank. even so I just blitz the mission, a volley of 1400s takes her out and I make good money plus get a +3 cha implant. @ChainsawPlankto
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.20 21:48:20 - [9] - Quote I don't know about the rattlesnake.. I hate missiles in general... once you go insta pop guns.. it's hard to go back. damn frigs. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1050	Posted - 2015.04.20 22:04:17 - [10] - Quote note the drones and afk part :p but seriously in general I can't stand flying a rattlesnake, even if the drones are awesome. But with rails/lasers you will likely have a damage type issue in this mission, projectiles work pretty okay, but meh, not really worth clearing the mission imo. @ChainsawPlankto

Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.20 22:27:08 - [11] - Quote Gecko counts as heavy drone? maybe omni tanked gecko rattlesnake? "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1051	Posted - 2015.04.20 23:32:13 - [12] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: Gecko counts as heavy drone? maybe omni tanked gecko rattlesnake? yep I think someone called it a battleship that launches a thorax @ChainsawPlankto
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 578	Posted - 2015.04.21 00:38:25 - [13] - Quote I use LMJD FOF Raven/Navy Raven. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1428	Posted - 2015.04.21 05:15:22 - [14] - Quote Partly depends who you are missioning for. If the agent corp is someone with cr@p isk/lp like CN or Fed Navy then a full clear gives about 30 mill in bounties. If you are getting proper ISK/LP (better than 2 to 1) you are better off with blitzing.
l0rd carlos TURN DOWN. The Camel Empire 1196	Posted - 2015.04.21 07:55:45 - [15] - Quote The better your ISK per LP is, the less it's worth to kill everything. So if you want to know when it's worth blitzting with your skills, your fitting, your fly style, your ISK/lp item, you have to claculate it yourself. There is no way around it. Because we don't know those things about you. Fly the missions and kill everything. Messure the time and money you get out of it. Best if yo do it multiple times. Than do the same with blitzting. Now compare the numbers. Remember to to use the same time interval before comparing. Here are some old stats, you probably can't use them (Because different fitting, skills etc.) but maybe it gives you an idea on how to optimize your missining: https://i.imgur.com/Gq7ScTl.png (Sorted by: Gewinn/stunde == ISK/h) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Yolli Sly State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.21 10:47:08 - [16] - Quote I did :) GÇ£ScarletGÇ¥ this morning for abought 1h 20 min, 3 systems away flight. ~32 mil full bounty/loot/salvage/reward + LP. Passive Gila + 3MTU + 4x2 fleet drone of each type + inferno fury lights + Noctis. 5.2 mil SP pilot, so Gila has no enough alpha to one-shoot-kill Scarlet = no implants.
Sinclair Spectrum ZX School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.21 11:14:58 - [17] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: L4. Teach me. I read all the guides, using T2 mods and faction weapons\sentry drones. This mission doesn't seems to worth the effort of killing everything except blitzing as it happens yo uare attacked in there with all 4 damage type and you are facing all rat types. Royally annoying. So any point trying to kill everything in there? Alpha the pirate in room 2 and you get an implant iirc. This. Drops Social adaptive Implant I believe. Worth around 10-12 mil. Usually do it in a Navy Domi or Mach.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 582	Posted - 2015.04.21 13:29:00 - [18] - Quote Yolli Sly wrote: I did :) GÇ£ScarletGÇ¥ this morning for abought 1h 20 min, 3 systems away flight. ~32 mil full bounty/loot/salvage/reward + LP. Passive Gila + 3MTU + 4x2 fleet drone of each type + inferno fury lights + Noctis. 5.2 mil SP pilot, so Gila has no enough alpha to one-shoot-kill Scarlet = no implants. Fit a disruptor and point her so she can't warp away in room 3.
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:14:54 - [19] - Quote you can use point on rats ? O_O "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 242	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:24:08 - [20] - Quote Never been a problem for me omni tank and go for it. Run Dread in a domi, navy domi, raven, navy raven, abaddon, rattle, golem, even in an ishkur. Have to admit they are all easy mode compared to using the Ishkur. Missiles have a small advantage in some ways with select-able damage types that you can easily change on the fly, but not enough so to make them the "best" to use, or even to rate a real recommendation. Drones have the same benefits/disadvantages as missiles. Clear vs Blitz is and always will be a big decision for each pilot. Many just enjoy wading through the pockets killing everything in sight and that is just as valid as any other reason to run them. Blitz can lead to more ISK because LP to ISK but this is not always the truth for all pilots and in all situations. Blitz always was and always will be the best way to max LP no matter what you intend to do with that LP. Having a second account that can follow one room behind and salvage/loot is critical to making full clear a viable ISK making option and depending on the particular sub-set of missions an agent gives out this can have the best ISK/hr ratio. If you are running missions for ISK/hr then 4's is not where you need to be, blitzing 3's in a properly set up ship is the king of ISK/hr for mission runners. Lost the link to the topic here that discussed this but a search should find it easily.

Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.21 14:29:43 - [21] - Quote @Donnachadh thanks... I'm not usually running missions just once in a while but I'll read this L3 thread should be interesting. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1596	Posted - 2015.04.21 15:33:58 - [22] - Quote l0rd carlos wrote: The better your ISK per LP is, the less it's worth to kill everything. So if you want to know when it's worth blitzting with your skills, your fitting, your fly style, your ISK/lp item, you have to claculate it yourself. There is no way around it. Because we don't know those things about you. Fly the missions and kill everything. Messure the time and money you get out of it. Best if yo do it multiple times. Than do the same with blitzting. Now compare the numbers. Remember to to use the same time interval before comparing. Here are some old stats, you probably can't use them (Because different fitting, skills etc.) but maybe it gives you an idea on how to optimize your missining: https://i.imgur.com/Gq7ScTl.png (Sorted by: Gewinn/stunde == ISK/h) First: good job creating such table! Your ISK/hour is based on full completion or blitzing? How did you completed 'Gone Berserk' in 7 minutes? I've used rail Kronos - it takes significantly more time. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 643	Posted - 2015.04.21 16:00:30 - [23] - Quote iirc gone berserk is done when u kill the leader spawn so u just blap all the triggers then blap the leader. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
P3ps1 Max Hedion University Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2015.04.22 14:34:03 - [24] - Quote Hop on a t2 battleship and hit that bastion mode and watch how easy that last room is
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1089	Posted - 2015.04.22 15:27:27 - [25] - Quote Dual boxing, you can kill everything in about 20 minutes.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 249	Posted - 2015.04.22 22:38:25 - [26] - Quote Anire Scarlet is vulnerable to tackle mods...fit a warp disruptor and tackle her in the second room you get a 7-8M ISK implant + 5M ISK bounty + about 2M in mission completion ISK + the LP reward. So you get almost 15M ISK + LP for 5 minutes if you have the key to the first gate. Love that mission. Didn't know you could kill her twice though.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1052	Posted - 2015.04.23 04:18:07 - [27] - Quote imo if you even know a warp disruptor works you aren't doing enough dps. @ChainsawPlankto
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 591	Posted - 2015.04.23 14:15:01 - [28] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: imo if you even know a warp disruptor works you aren't doing enough dps. Everybody don't have mad turret skills, brah. Personally I use a shield buffer-fit/MWD Tornado for Dread Scarlet. I pop her once, then pop her twice, get implant and turn-in. Easy peasy.
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 644	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:02:05 - [29] - Quote I don't have mad skills indeed. I just released myself from the horrible existence as a miner. I now purify myself with proper turret skills and used sentry drones as crutch until I can properly shoot stuff. But this mission was bit hit and miss due to the mix of rats in there so now when I know the trick to nuke the boss on the second room I'll manage. cheers! "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1054	Posted - 2015.04.25 05:10:37 - [30] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Chainsaw Plankton wrote: imo if you even know a warp disruptor works you aren't doing enough dps. Everybody don't have mad turret skills, brah. Personally I use a shield buffer-fit/MWD Tornado for Dread Scarlet. I pop her once, then pop her twice, get implant and turn-in. Easy peasy. if a shield buffer tornado works I really doubt the mad skills are required. she has 4500 HP, not quite sure what the resists are, but for a long time I was using a 6 gun mach. The only time I ever remember not killing her with one shot was when I bounced off the beacon and had a lot of transversial (freak accident batman!) also I remember popping her and getting the implant with less than stellar dps. If I remember right it was an ishtar with garde IIs before drone damage amps were a thing, so I think that was 538 dps? EFT seems to be suggesting it was even less. although there have been a few changes there and I'm not properly controlling for all them. maybe it was ~700 dps and DDA were a thing, but this is going back a while. 700 dps is a pretty low threshold imo. and pretty much any 1400 setup will instapop her. @ChainsawPlankto

Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 254	Posted - 2015.04.25 05:32:25 - [31] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Chainsaw Plankton wrote: imo if you even know a warp disruptor works you aren't doing enough dps. Everybody don't have mad turret skills, brah. Personally I use a shield buffer-fit/MWD Tornado for Dread Scarlet. I pop her once, then pop her twice, get implant and turn-in. Easy peasy. if a shield buffer tornado works I really doubt the mad skills are required. she has 4500 HP, not quite sure what the resists are, but for a long time I was using a 6 gun mach. The only time I ever remember not killing her with one shot was when I bounced off the beacon and had a lot of transversial (freak accident batman!) also I remember popping her and getting the implant with less than stellar dps. If I remember right it was an ishtar with garde IIs before drone damage amps were a thing, so I think that was 538 dps? EFT seems to be suggesting it was even less. although there have been a few changes there and I'm not properly controlling for all them. maybe it was ~700 dps and DDA were a thing, but this is going back a while. 700 dps is a pretty low threshold imo. and pretty much any 1400 setup will instapop her. It took me 2-3 volleys with a 690 DPS rail proteus. I was not aware you could kill her twice I could do with some explanation there. Projectile turret skills = 0.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2283	Posted - 2015.04.25 05:51:49 - [32] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: also I remember popping her and getting the implant with less than stellar dps. If I remember right it was an ishtar with garde IIs before drone damage amps were a thing, so I think that was 538 dps? EFT seems to be suggesting it was even less. although there have been a few changes there and I'm not properly controlling for all them. maybe it was ~700 dps and DDA were a thing, but this is going back a while. 700 dps is a pretty low threshold imo. and pretty much any 1400 setup will instapop her. It was 538. I remember that number well.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1054	Posted - 2015.04.25 06:03:21 - [33] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: It took me 2-3 volleys with a 690 DPS rail proteus. I was not aware you could kill her twice I could do with some explanation there. Projectile turret skills = 0. yea as soon as you take any offensive action against her the first time she vanishes, luckily turrets hit first and if you can alpha her you get a bonus kill. the second time I'm not sure exactly how it works, other than it seems to be timed, but not sure when that starts. but having something that is fast warping and/or fast locking like a cruiser hull probably only helps. it is also one of those things where it is a nice bonus and not necessarily something I would rush into, but shouldn't be seen as way out of reach. I mean for my first year (and probably a lot longer) I was horribly inefficient when it came to pve. @ChainsawPlankto
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1054	Posted - 2015.04.25 06:18:37 - [34] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Chainsaw Plankton wrote: also I remember popping her and getting the implant with less than stellar dps. If I remember right it was an ishtar with garde IIs before drone damage amps were a thing, so I think that was 538 dps? EFT seems to be suggesting it was even less. although there have been a few changes there and I'm not properly controlling for all them. maybe it was ~700 dps and DDA were a thing, but this is going back a while. 700 dps is a pretty low threshold imo. and pretty much any 1400 setup will instapop her. It was 538. I remember that number well. just checked and confirmed with a 2009 copy of EFT with 2x sentry damage rigs. why the hell do I remember these things @ChainsawPlankto
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1054	Posted - 2015.04.25 06:25:27 - [35] - Quote lol, figures I say something about bouncing off a beacon, and then just now I bounced off a beacon @ChainsawPlankto
Julien Brellier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2015.04.25 14:34:14 - [36] - Quote 1400mm artillery = 2x dead Scarlet, 10mil bounty, 9mil implant.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 307	Posted - 2015.04.27 05:19:02 - [37] - Quote I got the version of this mission yesterday with mostly Serpentis rats. Did a full clear in a MJD blaster Kronos in just over half an hour and made just a bit under 100M in bounty+loot. To be honest, this mission was far better when you used to be able to farm the first room as the rats re-spawned every time you warped in and out. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2285	Posted - 2015.04.27 07:16:19 - [38] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Chainsaw Plankton wrote: also I remember popping her and getting the implant with less than stellar dps. If I remember right it was an ishtar with garde IIs before drone damage amps were a thing, so I think that was 538 dps? EFT seems to be suggesting it was even less. although there have been a few changes there and I'm not properly controlling for all them. maybe it was ~700 dps and DDA were a thing, but this is going back a while. 700 dps is a pretty low threshold imo. and pretty much any 1400 setup will instapop her. It was 538. I remember that number well. just checked and confirmed with a 2009 copy of EFT with 2x sentry damage rigs. why the hell do I remember these things I seriously wonder what this game has chased out of my head over the years to store crap like that.
Luscius Uta 138	Posted - 2015.04.27 09:31:41 - [39] - Quote I have ran this mission in a Gila, Ishtar (with a reactive armor hardener, which really shines here) and Rattlesnake and neither had any trouble (although I used a mobile depot on a Rattlesnake to refit for room-specific tank).


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