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Alha Qmar
Caldari Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2006.11.02 17:56:00 -
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So mid august I decided to train for t2 long range rail ammo, this would also allow me to fly a blasterthron. At that time I imagined to partake in fleet combat as part of sniper fleet owning alot. Aswell getting to fly a great ship for solo pvp, the blasterthron.
Now with both blaster ammo nerf and long range damage nerf, I am thinking wtf tuxford has in mind with this. I agree that adding some HP to ships might be a good idea so people dont get insatnly ganked at some times, but then u must be completely retarted to reduce damage done by t2 because this will make it for the player twice as hard, its a double nerf, to kill something. To a point where it might not be worth to use t2.
This counts especially for solo pvp, something I have been doing alot since I joined privateers. Lets look at empire wars for example, in this case I often prefer to attack people from 30km+ range so they can't scramble me, but this forces me to kill them before they reach the gate. Its already hard enough now for me to catch anyone at a gate and kill him before he jumps through. Now with increased HP, and reduced dmg done by t2 ammo this works in 2 ways that its bad for the player and will reduce the chance of killing someone in an empire war at a gate SOLO even less.
For low sec pirating this goes the same, solo is screwed, a battle with equal oponents might just aswell take place untill someone gets outside scramble range and simply warps off, are take place so long untill anotherone his buddy warps in and screws the 1v1.
Signed
A not so happy customer
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:04:00 -
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Everyone is going to feel this nerf except for...wait for it....
Caldari
You may now resume crying into your pillow.
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Jaxtony
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:09:00 -
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What are we waiting for? I don't quite understand. Is there a new update coming we have to wait for?
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxtony What are we waiting for? I don't quite understand. Is there a new update coming we have to wait for?
Do you know where you are? You ok?
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar Everyone is going to feel this nerf except for...wait for it....
Caldari
You may now resume crying into your pillow.
If you think that you must be oblivious or unable to look further than your nose.
1. T2 torps are useless 2. ECM is getting nerfed to death
I don't see any changes for Gallente or Amarr for that matter, assuming you fly any of these two races.
To the OP. All T2 ammo is nerfed for some reason, and is not right, hope they fix that and make time in training worth it!
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio I don't see any changes for Gallente or Amarr for that matter, assuming you fly any of these two races.
I fly both Gallente/Amarr and the ammo changes will 'nerf' Gallente badly and the HP changes will 'nerf' both races since longer fights means more chance of running out of cap especially with Lasers.
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Jaxtony
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Jaxtony What are we waiting for? I don't quite understand. Is there a new update coming we have to wait for?
Do you know where you are? You ok?
You said to wait for it. I was wondering what we were waiting for. How long do we have to wait? Is it worth the wait?
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxtony
Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Jaxtony What are we waiting for? I don't quite understand. Is there a new update coming we have to wait for?
Do you know where you are? You ok?
You said to wait for it. I was wondering what we were waiting for. How long do we have to wait? Is it worth the wait?
Not to be rude here, but I'm assuming you're not American? What he was doing was some American sarcasm and probably won't be understood as such by people from outside our culture.
Because I said so...
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Silem
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Silem on 02/11/2006 18:40:27
Originally by: Alha Qmar So mid august I decided to train for t2 long range rail ammo, this would also allow me to fly a blasterthron. At that time I imagined to partake in fleet combat as part of sniper fleet owning alot
i stopped reading there sry if u say anything else to your post but that is what made me go against you.
If you wanna own go play something else, and if you think you owned with that ship maybe that was a sign for the nerfbat!!!
GJ CCP dont listen to him. He is alone.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Dammar Everyone is going to feel this nerf except for...wait for it....
Caldari
You may now resume crying into your pillow.
If you think that you must be oblivious or unable to look further than your nose.
1. T2 torps are useless 2. ECM is getting nerfed to death
I don't see any changes for Gallente or Amarr for that matter, assuming you fly any of these two races.
To the OP. All T2 ammo is nerfed for some reason, and is not right, hope they fix that and make time in training worth it!
I'd call T2 torps 'being fixed' in kali, and the ECM nerf hits all races equally, more actually than Caldari IMO because Caldari actually get ECM strength bonuses from the Rook/Falcon/Scorpion. Gone are ECM Dominix and ECM Raven setups. Which is a GOOD thing.
As for other races being nerfed, Gallente get crushed, as does Amarr with resepect to the cap use issues, and Gallente with drones and their lack of HP.
Because I said so...
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxtony
Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Jaxtony What are we waiting for? I don't quite understand. Is there a new update coming we have to wait for?
Do you know where you are? You ok?
You said to wait for it. I was wondering what we were waiting for. How long do we have to wait? Is it worth the wait?
lol so I did. I's say 'you got me' except that the answer was given in the very same post.
And yes....poor Caldari, they actually have to train turrets now so they can use the best sniper platform in game(soon). The ammo nerf I'm referring to is the long range nerf, which of course, is negated by the Rokh's optimal bonus.
Missles, nerfed they may be, but they still use no cap. You're comments are indeed laughable.
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Not to be rude here, but I'm assuming you're not American? What he was doing was some American sarcasm and probably won't be understood as such by people from outside our culture.
Right continent, wrong country.
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Jaxtony
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:53:00 -
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I didn't intend my post/comments to be laughable. I was just not familiar with the use of that particular phrasing in the language.
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxtony I didn't intend my post/comments to be laughable. I was just not familiar with the use of that particular phrasing in the language.
Sorry. I should've quoted my target. Comment was directed at Black Scorpio.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/11/2006 19:03:03
Originally by: murder one
Not to be rude here, but I'm assuming you're not American? What he was doing was some American sarcasm and probably won't be understood as such by people from outside our culture.
Americans have a culture? --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Jaxtony
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Jaxtony I didn't intend my post/comments to be laughable. I was just not familiar with the use of that particular phrasing in the language.
Sorry. I should've quoted my target. Comment was directed at Black Scorpio.
It is ok. So is that phrase linked to "gangsta" speak?
Like... Hey yo! Holla atcha ...wait for it gurl!
or
I'm going to bust a cap wait for it... in yo ***
I'm trying to learn some new things.
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Zarch AlDain
Friends of Everyone
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:12:00 -
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T2 ammo is broken to the point that (with the possible exception of a Rokh) T1 snipers are utterly and totally useles in fleet battles.
That needs fixing - more effective ok - the only way to win - bad.
Zarch AlDain
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El Yatta
Caldari Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Dammar Everyone is going to feel this nerf except for...wait for it....
Caldari
You may now resume crying into your pillow.
If you think that you must be oblivious or unable to look further than your nose.
1. T2 torps are useless 2. ECM is getting nerfed to death
I don't see any changes for Gallente or Amarr for that matter, assuming you fly any of these two races.
To the OP. All T2 ammo is nerfed for some reason, and is not right, hope they fix that and make time in training worth it!
I'd call T2 torps 'being fixed' in kali, and the ECM nerf hits all races equally, more actually than Caldari IMO because Caldari actually get ECM strength bonuses from the Rook/Falcon/Scorpion. Gone are ECM Dominix and ECM Raven setups. Which is a GOOD thing.
As for other races being nerfed, Gallente get crushed, as does Amarr with resepect to the cap use issues, and Gallente with drones and their lack of HP.
... I cant see how anybody could call T2 torps fixed, now that they are entirely useless compared to t1, any more than the pointless change to Null is fixed (I fly both races). Frankly all of the t2 ammo changes need a leeeeetle more looking at. A lot of people here are pretty clueless.
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Scorp
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:23:00 -
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you didnt read the original dev blog did you? none of you, ccp wants to bring fleet combat much closer together. Not only so there is much more veriaty in ships but so people can finally use those close range setups they have trained hard for. Linkeh Pooh |
Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Jaxtony
Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Jaxtony What are we waiting for? I don't quite understand. Is there a new update coming we have to wait for?
Do you know where you are? You ok?
You said to wait for it. I was wondering what we were waiting for. How long do we have to wait? Is it worth the wait?
lol so I did. I's say 'you got me' except that the answer was given in the very same post.
And yes....poor Caldari, they actually have to train turrets now so they can use the best sniper platform in game(soon). The ammo nerf I'm referring to is the long range nerf, which of course, is negated by the Rokh's optimal bonus.
Missles, nerfed they may be, but they still use no cap. You're comments are indeed laughable.
You may laugh as much as you can dear Dammar. I'd appreciate a more constructive way of conversation but we each choose our own style.
As for the "poor caldari" I believe a fully skilled at gunnery pilot has a lot less to lear should he choose to fly that "UBER" new caldari ship as you described, than it's caldari counterpart that has skilled primarily misiles so far.
And if you visit the other forums you would find that the new boat for Caldari is anything but Uber. It is just a different than the regular Caldari ships. It does have range capabilities, but to the detriment of it's DPS. I assume that you should be able to fly one quicker that I (while being max effective taken in mind) than I for example, so we can discuss the Rokh when Kali arrives.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Dammar Everyone is going to feel this nerf except for...wait for it....
Caldari
You may now resume crying into your pillow.
If you think that you must be oblivious or unable to look further than your nose.
1. T2 torps are useless 2. ECM is getting nerfed to death
I don't see any changes for Gallente or Amarr for that matter, assuming you fly any of these two races.
To the OP. All T2 ammo is nerfed for some reason, and is not right, hope they fix that and make time in training worth it!
I'd call T2 torps 'being fixed' in kali, and the ECM nerf hits all races equally, more actually than Caldari IMO because Caldari actually get ECM strength bonuses from the Rook/Falcon/Scorpion. Gone are ECM Dominix and ECM Raven setups. Which is a GOOD thing.
As for other races being nerfed, Gallente get crushed, as does Amarr with resepect to the cap use issues, and Gallente with drones and their lack of HP.
Murder One, from your prevoius comments I can see you're taking a pretty one sided (Gallente) view of all issues regarding Eve. That is not always best for constructive talk on forums. As for misiles, you can check again the related T2 torp threads as well as the ECM thread where your posts were again of the sort "I'm Gallente, Caldari sukc, Caldari sukc, nerf them" as opposed to looking into the issue a bit more indepth.
We all have our opinions, but please do not be rude in forcing your own onto people, instead give facts as arguments.
Thank you!
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Dammar
Ephorate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
You may laugh as much as you can dear Dammar. I'd appreciate a more constructive way of conversation but we each choose our own style.
As for the "poor caldari" I believe a fully skilled at gunnery pilot has a lot less to lear should he choose to fly that "UBER" new caldari ship as you described, than it's caldari counterpart that has skilled primarily misiles so far.
And if you visit the other forums you would find that the new boat for Caldari is anything but Uber. It is just a different than the regular Caldari ships. It does have range capabilities, but to the detriment of it's DPS. I assume that you should be able to fly one quicker that I (while being max effective taken in mind) than I for example, so we can discuss the Rokh when Kali arrives.
When I see something constructive coming out of you, maybe I'll consider it.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Black Scorpio
You may laugh as much as you can dear Dammar. I'd appreciate a more constructive way of conversation but we each choose our own style.
As for the "poor caldari" I believe a fully skilled at gunnery pilot has a lot less to lear should he choose to fly that "UBER" new caldari ship as you described, than it's caldari counterpart that has skilled primarily misiles so far.
And if you visit the other forums you would find that the new boat for Caldari is anything but Uber. It is just a different than the regular Caldari ships. It does have range capabilities, but to the detriment of it's DPS. I assume that you should be able to fly one quicker that I (while being max effective taken in mind) than I for example, so we can discuss the Rokh when Kali arrives.
When I see something constructive coming out of you, maybe I'll consider it.
keep laughing then, that always helps people.. btw, if you've checked the ending of my original comment to OP you might have stumbled on that little jem that your posts lack - constructiveness.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:44:00 -
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while a nerf to T2 long range ammo is welcome (specially jav torps), I still think that spike/tremor/aurora should maintain same damage and have range bonus nerfed to the same as iron/carbon lead/radio (60% instead 100%). -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak while a nerf to T2 long range ammo is welcome (specially jav torps), I still think that spike/tremor/aurora should maintain same damage and have range bonus nerfed to the same as iron/carbon lead/radio (60% instead 100%).
Well if you want to have a high dealing/more precise torpedo be a short range weapon, I don't see why a high dealing damage T2 ammo should be a long range weapon either.
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Jaxtony
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jaxtony on 02/11/2006 20:03:56
Originally by: Dammar
Originally by: Black Scorpio
You may laugh as much as you can dear Dammar. I'd appreciate a more constructive way of conversation but we each choose our own style.
As for the "poor caldari" I believe a fully skilled at gunnery pilot has a lot less to lear should he choose to fly that "UBER" new caldari ship as you described, than it's caldari counterpart that has skilled primarily misiles so far.
And if you visit the other forums you would find that the new boat for Caldari is anything but Uber. It is just a different than the regular Caldari ships. It does have range capabilities, but to the detriment of it's DPS. I assume that you should be able to fly one quicker that I (while being max effective taken in mind) than I for example, so we can discuss the Rokh when Kali arrives.
When I see something constructive coming out of you, maybe I'll consider it.
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:14:00 -
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Black Scorpio, why must you troll every respectable post on these forums? Caldari have it easy in Kali. Nothing you can say or troll will change that. T2 torps are balanced. T2 ammo for everyone else is nerfed.
Amarr are screwed because.. well they're Amarr.
Gallente are screwed because of lack of a drone HP boost, Ecm nerfs, blasterships are now useless, and a really crappy T2 ship. While I agree that ECM had to be delt with, nerfing Gallente even further was not neccesarry. T2 had to be balanced. But making it useless was completely uncalled for.
In addition to that, the HP boost caused all kinds of balance issues. For one, the Gallente repair bonus is now even more useless. Ships that get a resistence bonus (hello Caldari) have a major advantage now.
Caldari got boosted with the Drake and Rohk. They got boosted with ungodly shield tanks. They got boosted with Heavy Assault launchers. Please stop making yourself look like an idiot by poor mouthing Caldari every chance you get. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime |
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Centurin Black Scorpio, why must you troll every respectable post on these forums? Caldari have it easy in Kali. Nothing you can say or troll will change that. T2 torps are balanced. T2 ammo for everyone else is nerfed.
Amarr are screwed because.. well they're Amarr.
Gallente are screwed because of lack of a drone HP boost, Ecm nerfs, blasterships are now useless, and a really crappy T2 ship. While I agree that ECM had to be delt with, nerfing Gallente even further was not neccesarry. T2 had to be balanced. But making it useless was completely uncalled for.
In addition to that, the HP boost caused all kinds of balance issues. For one, the Gallente repair bonus is now even more useless. Ships that get a resistence bonus (hello Caldari) have a major advantage now.
Caldari got boosted with the Drake and Rohk. They got boosted with ungodly shield tanks. They got boosted with Heavy Assault launchers. Please stop making yourself look like an idiot by poor mouthing Caldari every chance you get.
Wow Centurin, you better start Training Caldari ship skills then if you haven't already done so, they're just so great.
On the troll portion, you are doing much the same buddy, just look at the tone of your post.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zarch AlDain T2 ammo is broken to the point that (with the possible exception of a Rokh) T1 snipers are utterly and totally useles in fleet battles.
That needs fixing - more effective ok - the only way to win - bad.
Now its just everything but the T2 Rokh that is useless in fleet battles... good fix.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Centurin Black Scorpio, why must you troll every respectable post on these forums? Caldari have it easy in Kali. Nothing you can say or troll will change that. T2 torps are balanced. T2 ammo for everyone else is nerfed.
Amarr are screwed because.. well they're Amarr.
Gallente are screwed because of lack of a drone HP boost, Ecm nerfs, blasterships are now useless, and a really crappy T2 ship. While I agree that ECM had to be delt with, nerfing Gallente even further was not neccesarry. T2 had to be balanced. But making it useless was completely uncalled for.
In addition to that, the HP boost caused all kinds of balance issues. For one, the Gallente repair bonus is now even more useless. Ships that get a resistence bonus (hello Caldari) have a major advantage now.
Caldari got boosted with the Drake and Rohk. They got boosted with ungodly shield tanks. They got boosted with Heavy Assault launchers. Please stop making yourself look like an idiot by poor mouthing Caldari every chance you get.
In addition Centurin, please take the time to read other forum topics that touch Caldari ships/mods problems. Then we can talk. This is not an "Increase my drone space" post, I don't know what you're doing chasing after people that merely voice their opinions! If you don't like it don't read it!
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