Hi,

I'm looking to get into a Paladin on my main for missions soon. With some imperial navy mods, heatsinks, faction equipment, and possibly a deadspace armor repairer, its going to be pretty blingy. At least, that's the plan.

This will be the juiciest gank target I've flown so far, so I'm not sure how to handle it. Is there a sure-fire way to keep away from gankers? I usually fly at a low-pop mission hub (no Dodixie for me) and minimize my time in transit.

I suppose I'm just looking for some good tips on avoiding and preventing ganks on my very expensive ship.

I suppose I'm just looking for some good tips on avoiding and preventing ganks on my very expensive ship.

Okay I feel bad, the smartbomb bit was a troll. NEVER fit a smartbomb in your utility highslot for a highsec missioning ship of any kind. Even though you can light it in relative safety in mission pockets, if someone scans you down and sees the smartbomb effect go off, they will bring an alt in a cheap ship and suicide it into your smartbomb causing you to get Concordokken'd.

With a paladin I cannot imagine why you would ever need a deadspace repper. It does not improve mission completion time and is not needed for any mission, so do not bother.

Don't make posts that you are going to fly a blingy marauder.

Your fit should not exceed half of what you paid for your ship. In fact, the only pricey bits should be your faction damage mods and maybe the repper/booster.

Always fit the bastion module and a micro jump drive.

Don't **** people off by trash talking or bragging or whatever in loca orl on the forums. Just be cool.

Don't farm missions 24/7, do some other things too.

Keep aligned as much as possible, watch local, watch d-scan for combat probes. You should be doing this always anyway.

Bring ecm drones, male exotic dancers and pray to jebus.

it allows you to pulse it once in a while instead of perma-running.
Plus saves your capacitor (i've heard laz0rs love to eat it)

What about fitting any kind of auto targeter? I am under the impression that even if you are passive targeted and scanned, the auto targeter will lock back, so if you see some frig targeted, it means you are being watched. I can't imagine a group of battlecruisers randomly picking a ship to gank, unlesss its for lulz.

I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............

I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............

^^^ Bad advice. I'm pretty sure the missioners running SoE mission in Apanake, Osmon, and Langissi will tell you different.

Rule of Thumb: If you have a expensive fit and the odds favor a good loot drop, they will try and gank you.

as someone who flys a paladin all the time and has also ganked paladins in high sec lulz

and now I'm tempted to pvp fit a paladin and go to lowsec...

I forgot to mention to travel fit the Paly with triple 1600 steel plates, dc II, and 3 eanm II's. Sure it may take you a hour or two to get to your destination, but at least you'll be safe. While missioning just use one large faction repper and T2 everything else.

Ganking a Paly can't be done easily in high sec (unless the pilot was afk). Could you please tell me how you manage this? I'm curious

GMs will give back your hull and any mods not destoryed but you can still be out hundreds of millions in mods that did get destroyed, even if you don't fly full shiny the losses can be substantial.

The only thing you need is the faction damage mods.

The only three things you need to know

1. Don't bling out the ship.
2. Never shoot anyone the starts looting your mission., even if the take the objective item.
3. Most importantly of all, use bastion as little as you can because if you DC you will come back to space junk and not a maurauder. Unlike most other ships that get flung to safety when you pve-DC a bastion mod will keep you pinned in place. GMs will give back your hull and any mods not destoryed but you can still be out hundreds of millions in mods that did get destroyed, even if you don't fly full shiny the losses can be substantial.

Anything one flies, by EVE's nature, is gank bait. If you're in high-sec, then there's a few things I'd keep in mind if you're banging out L4's.

Keep that safety set to Green. This will keep you from accidentally shooting some poor sod, and thus making CONCORD cranky.

If there's a ninja looter, or someone blaps your MTU, don't attack. Let them have that global flag. 9 (or more) times out of 10, people running missions who get ganked, seem to do so because they engaged someone who had some form of global/criminal status. There's a reason they're in a crappy frig and stealing your loot. Trade that 1M ISK ship for the however many hundreds of millions of yours (due to kill rights).

As long as you're in high-sec, and you don't engage anyone/get yourself flagged, then the only real way to get ganked (barring any kind of war dec/FW), is via suicide Tornado's (or whatever the flavor happens to be). Keeping to less populated areas will greatly mitigate this.

with a 100mn ab align time will be ~8s



same way you gank anything, with overwhelming dps and/or alpha. a typical mission fit doesn't really have all that much EHP. If you catch them in mission their shields are down, if you catch them at a gate or station undock their hardeners/damage controls might be off, and they won't be in bastion. If they are coming back from a mission their shields might be down too. I always activate my DCII/hardeners when I session change because of this.

The paladin gank I took part in I did roughly 1/3 of the damage, if we only had 3 people we would have had a successful gank. we had 10

I just looked on zkillboard for lulz, found a paladin taken out by 20 destroyers in highsec. Very next one has 30 parties involved, and is a pure t2 fit. This costs each pilot under 10mil (10m reference is a ~700 dps t2 fit catalyst in EFT). but using 20-30 people for the gank the cost can easily be half of that. Gankers in the SoE systems seem to like to gank a few marauders for lulz each day.

just go over to zkillboard and search for paladin and then click on the losses tab.

misconception correction time.
A suspect who's humping your mtu is usually flying something worth between 11 and 50 million isk, depending and the whatnot.
If you engage them they cannot call in their superfriends to roflstomp you, but they can bring in neutral logi to help.
The moment neutral logi does help them, the logi goes suspect as well and becomes a valid target for destruction.
Suspect baiting does not generate killrights.
It's not a gank if you open fire on them and they kill you in response... it's holy pee vee pee. Depending on the ship they are flying and what you have fit they may be unable to break your tank, that's a risk that's up to you to decide whether or not to take.
If you have a working batphone then you can call buddies in to blap a flipper who's messing with you as well.

Hi,

I'm looking to get into a Paladin on my main for missions soon. With some imperial navy mods, heatsinks, faction equipment, and possibly a deadspace armor repairer, its going to be pretty blingy. At least, that's the plan.

This will be the juiciest gank target I've flown so far, so I'm not sure how to handle it. Is there a sure-fire way to keep away from gankers? I usually fly at a low-pop mission hub (no Dodixie for me) and minimize my time in transit.

I suppose I'm just looking for some good tips on avoiding and preventing ganks on my very expensive ship.

if they cant break your tank the general response is to just get help from a random person in minerbumping. Who will bring a mobile depot and neuts while the first guy has you pinned.

misconception correction time.
A suspect who's humping your mtu is usually flying something worth between 11 and 50 million isk, depending and the whatnot.
If you engage them they cannot call in their superfriends to roflstomp you, but they can bring in neutral logi to help.
The moment neutral logi does help them, the logi goes suspect as well and becomes a valid target for destruction.
Suspect baiting does not generate killrights.
It's not a gank if you open fire on them and they kill you in response... it's holy pee vee pee. Depending on the ship they are flying and what you have fit they may be unable to break your tank, that's a risk that's up to you to decide whether or not to take.
If you have a working batphone then you can call buddies in to blap a flipper who's messing with you as well.

If there's a ninja looter, or someone blaps your MTU, don't attack. Let them have that global flag. 9 (or more) times out of 10, people running missions who get ganked, seem to do so because they engaged someone who had some form of global/criminal status. There's a reason they're in a crappy frig and stealing your loot. Trade that 1M ISK ship for the however many hundreds of millions of yours (due to kill rights).

Fair enough. However said marauder can warp off to parts unknown until the limited engagement ends if the flipper tries to reship elsewhere.

Neutral logi stops being neutral the moment it reps someone who is suspect, or I believe also when they do so for someone in a limited engagement, but not 100% on that last bit. If they bring a friend, holler to one of yours... their suspect logi will be delicious when served with grilled onions and mushrooms.

Either way, it's actually much easier for the mission runner to call for help and get it than the flipper. Well, easier assuming that they have friends or that anyone is actually paying attention to local. A suspect has a harder time adding pilots on his end of the engagement, as his dance partner must consent to anyone else who wants to play.

Ultimately it's a judgment call. If you have a working Batphone with some hungry pvp-curious bears on the line... then shoot. Odds are good that the baiter will be so busy dry humping your tank to notice the super friends before they land on grid.

A Centum C-Type Medium Rep is currently at 50 million ISK ... that should be pocket money for marauder pilots

Fit a smartbomb to deal with close range tackle frigs so that you won't be pointed when out of bastion mode.

Okay I feel bad, the smartbomb bit was a troll. NEVER fit a smartbomb in your utility highslot for a highsec missioning ship of any kind. Even though you can light it in relative safety in mission pockets, if someone scans you down and sees the smartbomb effect go off, they will bring an alt in a cheap ship and suicide it into your smartbomb causing you to get Concordokken'd.

medium , really ?

Fair enough. However said marauder can warp off to parts unknown until the limited engagement ends if the flipper tries to reship elsewhere.

funny to think how many people don't even bother to do that...

with the 100% rep bonus from bastion, really! It reps about the same as a large t2 rep (out of bastion), and has a 9s cycle time (vs 11.25 for t2) and uses less cap. So when you DC in bastion and don't warp off, a medium rep will keep going and not suck your cap dry meaning you will probably live. where a large will be pulse tanked, and either off where you die to any incoming dps unless you get back in real quick, or it sucks your cap dry and you still die. or you fit way too many cap mods to keep it running all the time, and reduce your efficiency.

in bastion mode a C-type med rep with one less EANM tanks more than my old fit with a LAR and no bastion.

sorry i didnt really understood , your saying a large one will get you killed either way ?

funny to think how many people don't even bother to do that...

You sound like your talking from experience of being bat phoned on :P. Tbh though this is EVE... most highsec pvers play solo cos the biggest threat to a mission runner isn't a can flipper its a war dec which is why your not safe to fly in a pve corp in highsec.

No, he is saying a Marauder using a med deadspace armor rep in Bastion is equal to a T2 large armor rep not in Bastion.

Even so, a Large Core-X armor rep averages for 250mil isk. Chump change really when you are putting it on a 1bil isk ship.

I mentioned the batphone thing in a previous post, yes... I've had the justice league drop in and deliver righteous punishment to me for my dastardly deeds before. It was fun. I love the fight, a killmail is nice, but just getting into a scrap is a win for me.
As far as wardecs go, that's a whole different matter. The war thing is scarier than it should be to be honest. I'm in a rather small merc alliance who specializes in war for hire, while my corporation specializes in dirty tricks and training new members in how to deal with player interaction through interpretive antimatter.

War is only as scary as you let it be. When I first started I was intimidated as all heck. I was an aging carebear who'd been lured over tot the dark side with promises of cookies and glorious explosions... and a cure to boredom. When I realized that we were ALWAYS at war I about pooped in my pod. Unthinkable. Then I noticed something... people ran away from me when I entered their system. They were scairt without even knowing just how bad I was at this game.

Last count last week we had over 140 active wars. Over 140 wars... it blew my mind. I enter system, people dock up, warp elsewhere, hide under their bunks and hug their fedos. It's baffling, because _I_ know I'm terrible, but they do not. Mindset plays a powerful role in EVE, and most pve players have this mental image of the pvp players being these monolithic juggernauts of destruction that they stand no chance against. We are the boogeymen to them. It is, of course, all in their heads.

Well fit ships flown by competent pilots fare just as well against the evil pvp guys as their ships do against the pve'ers. Often times the only difference in fits between pvp and pve are a single module or two who serve no function in missions and are excluded.... scrams, webs, neuts etc. The real difference lies in the psychology of the pilot.

I'm sure I had a point, but the beer has started to kick in. /ramble off.

No, he is saying a Marauder using a med deadspace armor rep in Bastion is equal to a T2 large armor rep not in Bastion.

Even so, a Large Core-X armor rep averages for 250mil isk. Chump change really when you are putting it on a 1bil isk ship.