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Anise Tig'res
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:53:41 -
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Remember Incarna? I think about that expansion quite a bit. All the things we were told it would be, that prototype they took around and showed people and the useless compartment we were eventually given.
And I remember the uproar about prices for NES clothing. Multiple PLEX for single items. That lost CCP players and fed protests.
We're back to that system. 30-40 $ skins for internet spaceships are now a reality. Are we really OK with this now as a community? |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:00:30 -
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It's a vanity item that can put money in ccp's pocket but has no impact on the actual ship. Why would I care about the cost as if I don't get one it makes no difference to me at all. |
Ozmodan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:01:22 -
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I think a better word is ludicrous. Would love to have some, but NOT at those prices. |
Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:02:41 -
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Yes. The ship skins didnt suck who knows how much time and money away from fixing or improving the rest of the game. The same can't be said for Incarna.
Also, true to tradition none of these microtransactions improve the performance of the character or ship in-game, so we're still safely on the other side of the fence from P2W land.
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Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:02:46 -
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Yeah but there are substantial difference in the system and the path that lead to it.
1) They had to reprogram almost entirely the ship rendering system and how it works in space 2) People can actually see your skin space 3) The default ship skins are fine and beautyfull anyway 4) Clothes came at the cost of real content, something that's not happening at this time 5) People actually asked for ship skins |
Anise Tig'res
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:06:06 -
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Roberta Gastoni wrote:Yeah but there are substantial difference in the system and the path that lead to it.
1) They had to reprogram almost entirely the ship rendering system and how it works in space 2) People can actually see your skin space 3) The default ship skins are fine and beautiful* anyway 4) Clothes came at the cost of real content, something that's not happening at this time 5) People actually asked for ship skins
1) Utterly irrelevant. The new SKIN system was made possible by upgrades they wanted. 2) People can see your clothes when they click on your info, something that happens more frequently then seeing your ship. 3) Yes, they're acceptable. 4) SKINS are as much content as clothes. 5) Plenty of people were asking for clothes and Incarna. |
Parah Salin McCain
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:07:22 -
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Seriously, if you don't like how much the skins cost, you don't have to part with a single cent. Shut up. |
Anise Tig'res
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:09:42 -
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Parah Salin McCain wrote:Seriously, if you don't like how much the skins cost, you don't have to part with a single cent. Shut up.
Perhaps I would like reasonable prices so that I could part with my money.
Why does people arguing for lower prices bother you so much? |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:13:40 -
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Ozmodan wrote:I think a better word is ludicrous. Would love to have some, but NOT at those prices. I've calculated all the prices using the most efficient method of buying aurum and the prices are quite reasonable if you like this sort of thing.
There are a lot of skins for $3.50, and the majority are in the range up to around $15. There are a couple that are $20 although it makes a lot of sense to have some more exclusive ones from a marketing perspective. There are only 4 skins which work out at $30 and they are all super capital skins.
In principle though I am against the idea of these not being destructible, I hope CCP will re-evaluate this in the future as in their current implementation they offer no gameplay value and are simply for CCP to generate extra revenue. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:13:52 -
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People were asking to walk in station and interact with each other's avatars. That was vastly different than the get you can walk around your captain's quarters only.
Ship Skins are not at all the same. Plus, the changes allow for faster deployment of new ship variants, with reduced database load. A new Merlin color scheme does not mean all the other stats of the Merlin must be duplicated and maintained/balanced. Instead there is one ship in the database, with skin options which is an easier load.
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Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:14:33 -
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If you don't like, don't buy them! :)
However I do see more content released from CCP in the last year and half than in the last 10 years, and I don't mind the ship skin at all.
I'm not buying them simply because there are no ship skin for the ships I'm using atm, mainly T2 ones, but I would probably buy a Kador Paladin skin if there was one.
To conclude I also understand you posted to make drama on the forum and not to post constructively, at the moment I pushed reply everyone in this thread was positive about the system, so it looks like you are a minority anyway. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:15:20 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote:Parah Salin McCain wrote:Seriously, if you don't like how much the skins cost, you don't have to part with a single cent. Shut up. Perhaps I would like reasonable prices so that I could part with my money. Why does people arguing for lower prices bother you so much? they sell -> they set the price you buy -> you choose to buy or not
I see no problem here
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:24:04 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote:
We're back to that system. 30-40 $ skins for internet spaceships are now a reality. Are we really OK with this now as a community?
I don't know about as a community, but I'm fine with it as a person.
If you are dumb enough to fly around zoomed in close enough to admire your ship, then you are exactly the type of person that will pay large for vanity skins.
But, at the end of the day, it's your choice. It affects your gameplay in no way whatsoever to own a vanity skin or not. It only affects your wallet. Buy some if you want or don't buy one if you feel it's too expensive. But for the love of Christ, stop crying because you want one but are too cheap to pay the asking price.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:25:13 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote:Parah Salin McCain wrote:Seriously, if you don't like how much the skins cost, you don't have to part with a single cent. Shut up. Perhaps I would like reasonable prices so that I could part with my money. Why does people arguing for lower prices bother you so much?
If this is your only complaint, be patient. Prices will balance out. When I log in tonight, I will have several copies of multiple skins waiting and only need one. What happens as I and many others dump our supply on the market? Yes, this may not be true for the newest skins, but give it time. Prices will balance. And if you are only looking at aurum costs and buying aurum to pay, you are not working the system right. But a plex, sell for isk, use that as capital and make monst trading. Later but 1000 aurum tokens and get the skin you want.
The beauty of eve is that plex, aurum, and effort can all be interchanged. A good day or two of level 4 missions, incursion running, or what could get you What you want, and then it's just a matter of finding the activity you enjoy to make that isk. |
Hicksimus
Xion Limited Resonance.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:35:27 -
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I'm more upset that CCP is still treating EvE like a cash cow and spending this money on hyping good ideas that ultimately fail due to lackluster management.
Now excuse me while I go apply these skins to make you haters jealous.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:45:36 -
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Hicksimus wrote:I'm more upset that CCP is still treating EvE like a cash cow and spending this money on hyping good ideas that ultimately fail due to lackluster management.
Now excuse me while I go apply these skins to make you haters jealous.
Eve a cash cow? Go look at Dust... Now there is a cash cow. It was a game on the point of death turned into a profitable money faucet to the point it has had several updates past when we were told no more. And yeah... There are microtransactions and plenty of ways to pay to improve/be stronger than someone who does not. Eve has not reached that state at all. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:46:52 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote: 4) SKINS are as much content as clothes.
We have not lost 18 months of dev time to get them.
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:54:38 -
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Sigh...
you do knwo that the summer of rage was not JUST incarnia right? That just happened to be one of the factors.
You had incarnia, which was incomplete pile of garbage, much liek alot of what i call "old ccp" features. and for people who say 18 motnhs of dev time wasted.. no, incarnia actually was a work of 3 years. Because the Ambulation project was first showcased at fan fest 2007.
Then you had the nex store, which was all well and good even with the $70 moncols, this alone would not of pissed people off.
Then you had the greed is good memo, which was one of a few floating around... this by itself would of made prolly forum uproar.
Then you had the fact that lots of eve was broken, and ccp was completely ignoring it for dust and WiS
These four factors alone would not of caused the riots. But combined? Yea..
The summer of rage was not about incarnia, it was about CCP going in the wrong direction, neglecting eve for a cash grab, becoming greedy, and then giving us 1/2 assed overpriced ****.
The current skins no matter how expesive are fine, they are vanity items, most people will shurg them off and not care. If we see gold ammo however....
(an aside this is why WiS should get a second look, but due to peopel thinkign that was the only reason for the riots, it won't)
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:05:15 -
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I don't think you can get as much negative response as in past, basically because playerbase that stayed until now with CCP.
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FrenzyJenny
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:12:11 -
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well if you play enough, you can playthis game for free by buying plexes ingame with isk.
As i can see alot of people do this.... and people who really care just buy this skins, it will increase the value of the character too when you selling it.
I sound alot of money, but if you count the total income of ccp i think they need this boost to fix their crappy code.
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Sissy Fuzz
Sissy Fuzz Communications
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:42:16 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Blah blah inconsequential crap blah blah Mr Epeen Do you have to comment on everything? Just wondering.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:46:10 -
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I couldn't wait to get my supers skinned up... Then saw the prices, LOL no thanks. |
Coelomate Tian
The Suicide Kings Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:47:12 -
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Reporting breathlessly from Jita 4-4, where I have sold an absolutely absurd volume of SKINs from many different sources for completely unreasonable prices all morning:
People want these SKINs and are more than willing to pay the price.
CCP has done a good job. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:51:41 -
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Sissy Fuzz wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Blah blah inconsequential crap blah blah Mr Epeen Do you have to comment on everything? Just wondering. I just comment on stupid things. So yeah, pretty much everything.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Valterra Craven
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:10:33 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anise Tig'res wrote: 4) SKINS are as much content as clothes.
We have not lost 18 months of dev time to get them.
Yeah, it probably took wayyyy longer to make Incarna... :P |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:31:50 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Sissy Fuzz wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Blah blah inconsequential crap blah blah Mr Epeen Do you have to comment on everything? Just wondering. I just comment on stupid things. So yeah, pretty much everything. Mr Epeen
People used to say that a lot about me and my children too.
Choice. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:35:01 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Sissy Fuzz wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Blah blah inconsequential crap blah blah Mr Epeen Do you have to comment on everything? Just wondering. I just comment on stupid things. So yeah, pretty much everything. Mr Epeen People used to say that a lot about me and my children too. Choice.
Speaking of which...
Did you lock Billy in the root cellar again? I haven't seen him around in a while.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:41:44 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Did you lock Billy in the root cellar again? I haven't seen him around in a while. Mr Epeen
He's on a very special mission to find a mysterious planet called "Azerthoght" or something I made up |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
370
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:44:23 -
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I personally don't like the seemingly randomness in pricing.. a Myrm Syndicate SKIN costs half what the Vexor Syndicate Skin does.. huh? Hell some Cruiser skins cost half as much as others.. The prices should be more consistant. Also, I hate how the prices have NO relevance to the package of Aurum available for sale.
The way to do it is make Tiers, Frig, Dessy, Cruiser/Barge, BC, BS, Cap/Freighter/Orca, Super, with set price points, and Aurum packages that evenly go into all of them.
Also, as I've said before in the other threads.. I think many of these skins should be made available in LP Stores, mission rewards, Drops, and (one time) rewards for standings. Even if the LP ones are for silly amounts it would at least allow them to be gained in game without having to pay $$$.. Hell even if they aren't perma.. I see 1 year skins in the DB, I'd use LP for a 1 year skin.. 30 days is more like BS, but a year is a solid amount. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 20:46:59 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:The ship skins didnt suck who knows how much time and money away from fixing or improving the rest of the game. The same can't be said for Incarna. Pretty sure the art team is limited in the scope of what they can accomplish...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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