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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:31:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok. You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing. XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid. And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.
efficiency ???
hmm ..
well efficiency is win 2k .. everything above it is waste of resources. / in case of Microsoft products that is.
Win7 got far more issues than win XP ever have. Like overclocking memory, NB/ SB/ CPUs .. random BSODs because well just because why not.. no other reason... Startup well .. depend if its Wednesday or other day.
I would gladly switch back to win XP but it will require too much effort.
btw DirectX10/11 can be implemented into winXP just saying. as well as many other features. And still will be more efficient then Win7.
You should stop reading Microsoft advertising.
Anyway MS-DOS 6.22 and win3.11 for workgroups is all you need to play any "modern" game. It just requires hell lot of an patiance and trying to get it work ..  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:34:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:You should consider using an operating system not designed to run on a difference engine.
Too bad they couldn't get the funding to build it. 
Silly politicians.
edit: nvm, I was thinking about the analytical engine. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Gorefacer
STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:41:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.
Vista? That's the worst advice I've heard on these forums. Ever.
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Gorefacer
STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:56:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok. You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing. XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid. And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.
Christ.
We are talking about running EVE. It's a desktop shortcut on my XP installation just like it is on my 7. A single double click is pretty efficient in either case.
Go OCD on crap nobody cares about somewhere else.
You could probably make a good argument about how inefficient a GUI is anyway and how efficient you can be with bash scripting and the like, that still doesn't mean that nobody should ever use windows. Or does it?
Now I'm confused, except that I can still cling to the knowledge that your posts are dumb. |

Eanok
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:59:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.
I'm still using XP on every single computer I own without issue. You cant be serious about Vista, what a pile that was. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:36:00 -
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Eanok wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online. I'm still using XP on every single computer I own without issue. You cant be serious about Vista, what a pile that was.
well .. i have had DOS 6.22, win3.11,then 9x, i tried ME, went back to 9x, then 2k, then XP, then Vista x64 /mainly due to memory usability (not when it came but about an year or so after) worked pretty well, no got Win7 and except problems with stability while "overclocking" and occasional "awesome automatic updates" which **** up the whole system to the point that it take an hour to actually start it and make it work again for a day, several weeks in row until they got another update which fixes it.
I am quite content..
/////////////////// Anyway Keep your windows XP.
multiple clients should work without problems, as been stated on first page. Try those things.. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |

Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
85
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:39:00 -
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Every person I've ever talked to has hated Vista, myself included. Worthless pile of digital excrement. I never had problems with XP, I still use it on my HP L2000 SE. My custom rig I installed W7 x64 because that's all I could find on the market, and I got a discount for ordering it with the case and power supply. I have no complaints about it, except for the insane amount of RAM it uses to do the exact same things XP does.
In fact, Eve would still run on my XP laptop except the integrated graphics don't support SM3. But that's not MS fault. Old laptop is still old. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:48:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing. Do you want to burn a DVD? OH WAIT WINDOWS XP CAN'T NATIVELY BURN DVDS. AHAHAHHAHAHAH. Enjoy your start menu which takes up the entire screen, and your lack of instant search. Enjoy the limitation of 4GB of RAM, including your GPU's RAM. XP 64bit you say? Completely unstable and no support. Enjoy your hideous control panel with a huge block of options to scroll through, with absolutely no categorising or sorting. Enjoy your lack of a wallpaper slideshow. Stare at the same wallpaper every day. Enjoy your constantly crashing programs, and an 'end task' button in the task manager which actually doesn't work.
You know error reporting in Windows XP? You know how it's useless, so you always click 'Don't send'? Well, in 7, you are actually given solutions. Enjoy your lack of Aero snap. Want to see 2 windows side by side? You have two choices. Either painstakingly click and drag minimised windows into position, or end every single program except the two you want side-by-side, then right click on the start bar and select some option hidden somewhere. Enjoy your lack of jumplists. How do you instantly go to a frequent website from your desktop? Use a bunch of saved bookmark files in some unsorted folder? Well, I just right click on the Firefox icon, and click on the site I'm interested in. Enjoy your lack of items on the start bar which give useful information. If I have a download in Firefox running, or a copy-and-paste job in explore, the icon becomes illuminated with a status bar. XP doesn't even have Homegroup support.
How do you go to your desktop which is beneath several windows? Click that little desktop button which is like 1/8 the distance from the left to right of the screen, and about 10 pixels up from the bottom? Make sure you aim carefully! On Windows 7, I swing the mouse to the absolute bottom-right and click. No aiming necessary. Fast and easy. Want automatic, clean, safe, and up-to-date backups? Not with XP! I see over 15 steps on the Microsoft support page to get a backup on XP. How many steps on 7? 5 for the first time, and none from there. Let's have a race. Open something you'd never use, like Paint (Which is better in 7, by the way). I press the start key, type paint, then press the enter key. Done. 2 seconds. Hmm, since you're using XP you'll need to click start > All programs > Accessories > scroll scroll scroll search search search > Paint. 15 seconds. How do you access all of your recent word docs? Well, I click start, hover over the word icon, and see all of my recent docs to the right. Easy. XP? You probably have folders upon folders of out-of-date shortcuts.
DirectX 10? DirectX 11? XP has neither. Support is dwindling. Enjoy not being able to play 50+ games at their best quality. Oh, something deleted your boot.ini. Oh dear. Well, Windows 7 doesn't have anything that archaic, and one automated and easily accessed Startup Repair later and you're good to go, with no loss of files, full reinstall and faffing about with command prompts. Hmm... Your display driver crashed for the billionth time today, giving you a BSOD? What a shame. Windows 7 can automatically reboot your display driver. Yes, often without even crashing the game. Want to connect to a wireless/VPN/mobile broadband/etc network? Like 2 or 3 clicks on 7. XP? Well, did the internet even exist in those prehistoric times? No wonder it takes like 10+ dialog boxes to do things so menial. It's time to use Windows Update on your XP computer! Let's see, was it Microsoft Update or Windows Update? Oh, I forget, I'll just click one. Ok, here opens Internet Explorer and OH GOD THE TOOLBARS ARE EATING MY FACE. Yep, now we just wait 10 minutes for the search and...oh... no updates. Sadface. Windows 7? Automated. If you want to go over advanced or optional updates, just type Update into your inta-search, press Enter, and a dedicated, in-OS UI appears. Which searches for updates in seconds! Sweet mother of all things holy, UPDATING IS EASY.
Oh dear, you have several notifications. Look near your clock. THOUSANDS OF ICONS ALL FLASHING ARGH MY EYES. THEY STRETCH OUT SO FAR TO THE LEFT MY TASKBAR IS GONE NOW. Windows 7? Click the arrow, and a little box appears above. It's 2D rather than 1D, so it fits a huge number of icons in a small space. Oh yeah, furthermore, some of these notifications are now added to the action centre. Got an OS update, security warning, maintenance process and more begging for attention? It's all in one icon rather than dozens.
Windows 7 is both shinier AND more usable. XP consists of huge lists to achieve the same thing with 4x the clicks and mouse movement. System requirements? Don't make me laugh. 2GB of RAM costs $25. Wait a minute. You can't upgrade anyway, because you're using a 32bit OS.
Your PC is the operating system you use. If your OS it out of date, then your entire system is, too.
Anyway, that's my rant. Update today. It's so much better and it affects every day of your life.
just going to mention i m using Windows XP with Directx 10... courtesy of some russians, and that there is not a single bit of software so far i cannot run on XP old nor new.
also the control panel DO has caterogization and maybe you didn't knew but you can easily add the instant search feature to XP trough windows updates with windows Search 4. XP is 10 years old, but it has been keep up to date constantly over the years and features that were added to ot her windows are just as readily avaiable in XP, including Aero features from windows 7, not saying win7 is bad, i use it i love it, but XP is just as good in the end (also old games work faster in XP).
why the **** did i even waste time answering to you!? |

Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:49:00 -
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Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does.
Probably because you haven't looked that hard.
- Increased performance
- Increased stability
- Support for newer hardware
- Overall easier use and smoother workflow
- People are going to stop supporting it really soon
For crying out loud, I think I would rather be running on Ubuntu or something rather than XP at this point.
Also, you cannot say 'I see no reason to upgrade' and whine about lack of third party support and be the same person.
You see a lot of statistics about how XP is still one of the most popular OS out there. Well it's because of people like you, and it's holding the rest of us back.
So do you just not wan't to try something new that a lot of people obviously like, or are you just lazy? Don't you dare say anything about money since you can try it for free for 30 days and THEN decide and purchasing a license.
electrostatus wrote: For me, changing an operating system every other year is as drastic as tearing down parts of my house and rebuilding just as often. You might argue that its more like painting your room every year, but how often do you really repaint your room?
I would compare it more to putting a goddamn CD into my goddamn optical drive and clicking some buttons. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:00:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does. Probably because you haven't looked that hard.
- Increased performance
- Increased stability
- Support for newer hardware
- Overall easier use and smoother workflow
- People are going to stop supporting it really soon
non of above is actually correct, unless you really believe Advertisement, in that case i suggest some medical treatment.
But its wrong forum for such things.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:16:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch.
Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either.
Then there is security, speed, stability....
By the way, I don't think anyone is going to take advice on pc matters from someone with such poor grasp of the English language. ;) |

Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
90
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:21:00 -
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HA HA HA HA HA
you all use windows....
Why you no use Linux, like the smart people of the world.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:22:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either. Then there is security, speed, stability....
Still off-topic..
Can run 10 accounts maybe even more on Win XP.. so dont know what are you doing, but you are doing it wrong.
Also security, mostly user fault speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use. stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k.
*Just saying. Not that it matters. Derail of the thread seems intentional, therefore i call it Troll thread"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:22:00 -
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MehGǪ getting more than 4GB out of XP is just a matter of diking out the license limitationGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:22:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Also security, mostly user fault
Flaws in the OS code are not the user's fault and are the most common type of exploitable weakness.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use.
Please cite your sources because that statement is demonstrably untrue. pcmag hardware heaven techradar softpedia
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k.
Of course it's the most stable thing you have had, it's the newest operating system you have tried, you dinosaur.. If you haven't even really compared the two then all of your commentary is invalid.
Some people are just stuck in their ways. Cannot be argued with and any proof presented (even in the absence of their own proof) will just be ignored. The old mentality of "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it" is a very poor choice to make. If everyone thought that way we would be stuck in the stone age.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: The horse and buggy is perfectly fine. Internal combustion is just unnecessary.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:24:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Also security, mostly user fault
Flaws in the OS code are not the user's fault and are the most common type of exploitable weakness. Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use.
Please cite your sources because that statement is demonstrably untrue. pcmaghardware heaventechradarsoftpediaJaroslav Unwanted wrote: stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k.
Of course it's the most stable thing you have had, it's the newest operating system you have tried. If you haven't even really compared the two then all of your commentary is invalid. Some people are just stuck in their ways. Cannot be argued with and any proof presented (even in the absence of their own proof) will just be ignored. The old mentality of "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it" is a very poor choice to make. If everyone thought that way we would be stuck in the stone age.
Well source, my experience. What i was doing : playing games mostly.
And if you look bit up you would know i tried every microsoft system since MS-DOS 6.22 to Windows7 which i currently use. |

Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:27:00 -
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Well, good, it's your word vs. mine and everyone I linked up there. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
439
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:28:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:
Some people are just stuck in their ways. Cannot be argued with and any proof presented (even in the absence of their own proof) will just be ignored. The old mentality of "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it" is a very poor choice to make. If everyone thought that way we would be stuck in the stone age.
On the other hand, if you upgrade to a new MS OS before Service Pack 1 is out, you're taking a big risk.
Just because something's new and has new features, it doesn't mean that it's going to work as advertised. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:29:00 -
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Nemesis Factor wrote:Well, good, it's your word vs. mine and everyone I linked up there.
Pretty much.
Point was .. that Win XP is fully capable of running multiple clients of EVE. Or much better choice if you dont use PC built at 2009-2011. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
538
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:36:00 -
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Well Windows XP is dead for support it takes a bit of work to get around the retentive 'were not updating that' status ms has on it. Oldes OS they support atm is XP SP 1 and thats scheduled to die in... 2013 was it?
Win 7 has a few neat tools that XP would be jealous of like windows repair which actually for once fixes the darn computer software wise.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:48:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either. Then there is security, speed, stability.... Still off-topic.. Can run 10 accounts maybe even more on Win XP.. so dont know what are you doing, but you are doing it wrong. Also security, mostly user fault speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use. stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k. *Just saying. Not that it matters. Derail of the thread seems intentional, therefore i call it Troll thread" Lock for no content.
Failure to understanding what you're quoting is not good. I don't think I mentioned accounts. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:49:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either. Then there is security, speed, stability.... Still off-topic.. Can run 10 accounts maybe even more on Win XP.. so dont know what are you doing, but you are doing it wrong. Also security, mostly user fault speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use. stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k. *Just saying. Not that it matters. Derail of the thread seems intentional, therefore i call it Troll thread" Lock for no content. Failure to understanding what you're quoting is not good. I don't think I mentioned accounts.
Failure to understanding what should this thread be about ... well ..
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
268
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:52:00 -
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Hey I heard it's 2011.
Fly Safe, Die Hard As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:10:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Hey I heard it's 2011. Indeed it is. You'd think that people would have forgotten the "max 4GB" myth by nowGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
11
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:10:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:[quote=Alexa Coates] I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need.
See now i just know you have no idea what you're talking about, try playing battlefield bad company 2 under DX9 and DX11 and you'll massive yes MASSIVE performance increases in the game because its able to offload extra work to idle CPU cores to increase the processing of certain elements, so yes noone needs that at all do they >.>
As for the RAM comment, sure vista had RAM issues but win7 resolved those issues, but hey if you enjoy living in the past feel free to do so, XP actually reached its EOL but it was extended because of the issues with vista, had that not happened it would be dead now :) |

RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
148
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:17:00 -
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2 clients seem to work fine here,,,, http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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TharOkha
0asis Group
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:18:00 -
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WHy using the cars, when we have the horses.  GÇ£Reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
80
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:22:00 -
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You're middle aged, you're sitting at a computer, on a game forum, arguing about different operating systems merits. The only reason you post is because you like to think you can write something clever against a faceless, remote, other middle aged person, sitting at a computer, on a game forum, arguing about different operating systems merits. Let the existential crisis begin... Damn nature, you scary! |

Marcus Harikari
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:47:00 -
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LOL @ using computers. Whoever doesn't have a cybernetic implant directly in your eye/mind interface to run games is WAY behind the times. Noobs.
And XP pwns so much face. The only thing wrong is lack of support for over 4GB of RAM. But the only program that needs that much ram is Starcraft2, anyhow...I'm ok with running it at low settings, if that means I can continue to use the best operating system ever. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:50:00 -
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Marcus Harikari wrote:The only thing wrong is lack of support for over 4GB of RAM. *sigh* 
Good news: XP is fairly easy to alter so it supports over 4GB of RAM.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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