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Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's
2
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:17:00 -
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Anyone has an info when this windows not drawn bug on windows xp will be fixed?
It works somehow with one client (at least mostly), but I would love to use more than one again, and windowed mode is not really a turn on
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
44
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:27:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:Anyone has an info when this windows not drawn bug on windows xp will be fixed?
It works somehow with one client (at least mostly), but I would love to use more than one again, and windowed mode is not really a turn on
Probably never. Windows XP was released October 25, 2001. Making the game XP compatible would be working backwards. It is time to upgrade to 7. |

Alexa Coates
LNTC
13
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:41:00 -
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why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |

baltec1
229
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:47:00 -
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Someone should ask santa for a new system |

Token Prophets
Experiment 629
5
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:48:00 -
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Mussaschi wrote:Anyone has an info when this windows not drawn bug on windows xp will be fixed?
It works somehow with one client (at least mostly), but I would love to use more than one again, and windowed mode is not really a turn on
Working fine here, Windows XP, dual clients, no worries.
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
10
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:50:00 -
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I have XP64bit and had this issue. I cleared both my cache and reset all my settings and everything seems to be working well, at least for me. |

Little Delicious
Imperium's Dark Legion
38
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:54:00 -
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While we're on the topic, when is eve going to be optimized to run 8 clients on my Toshiba T1000? |

Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2011.12.04 23:59:00 -
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Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online. |

Ghoest
24
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:03:00 -
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I wish they would get this fixed. I cant do anything except station trade and tool around high sec - its pretty lame. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |

Famble
Three's a Crowd
137
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:07:00 -
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Windows XP will be fully supported by M$ till 2014. It's a fine OS. Clear your cache and I bet you'll be fine.
I'll eat my hat if CCP isn't supporting it for years to come. It'd be downright foolish not to.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
11
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:12:00 -
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Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does. |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
476
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Posted - 2011.12.05 00:22:00 -
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Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does. Nothing wrong with my asbestos-insulated house here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to modern standards as long as the asbestos works fine. Which it does.
*cough* |

Olleybear
I R' Carebear
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:18:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does. Nothing wrong with my asbestos-insulated house here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to modern standards as long as the asbestos works fine. Which it does.
Comparing Windows XP to asbestos to try to justify upgrading to a new OS is ridiculous.
There is nothing wrong with XP. As long as it continues to do what we need it to do we will continue to use it. Upgrading to the newest 'thingy' just because its new is silly. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:24:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does. Nothing wrong with my asbestos-insulated house here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to modern standards as long as the asbestos works fine. Which it does. Comparing Windows XP to asbestos to try to justify upgrading to a new OS is ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with XP. As long as it continues to do what we need it to do we will continue to use it. Upgrading to the newest 'thingy' just because its new is silly.
nevermind .. win2k works pretty well too..
win vista, win 7 etc. got some "nice features" which are mostly useless and have double maybe even more requirements to even run.
PS .. i use win7 but that is just because i tried it once and was too lazy to go back after an month or so.
Anyway not sure if its an OS problem. Try what others told, or/and try run another client from another folder. Means multiple copies of EVE but i heard its how some use it. Since it was un-stable for them otherwise. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1195
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:32:00 -
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lmao windows xp
how are you liking your fisher price taskbar theme, horrible security and incompatibility with new software???? |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:lmao windows xp
how are you liking your fisher price taskbar theme, horrible security and incompatibility with new software????
bolded is true, yet anything else is really just useless as neon tubes in your computer case.
Rest works just fine, altho it requires some tweaking and it works like an charm. Talking about security and microsoft OS .. really ???
edit : actually event he bolded part is not true, since you can "tweak it" so it looks exactly same as win7, however -2GB RAM requirement. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
13
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:38:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;).
Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need.
And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Olleybear
I R' Carebear
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:53:00 -
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Andski wrote:lmao windows xp
how are you liking your fisher price taskbar theme, horrible security and incompatibility with new software????
Real men play eve from a linux command line through an ssh session and dont need any gfx.
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electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:58:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.
You're right! I should totally abandon Eve Online! PI Profit Calculator: calculates your profits and taxes of any PI product depending on how you built them! |

Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
66
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Posted - 2011.12.05 02:01:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch.
So much wrong with this post I have to assume its a troll
2/10 for prompting a reply.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
476
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Posted - 2011.12.05 02:30:00 -
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Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing. Do you want to burn a DVD? OH WAIT WINDOWS XP CAN'T NATIVELY BURN DVDS. AHAHAHHAHAHAH. Enjoy your start menu which takes up the entire screen, and your lack of instant search. Enjoy the limitation of 4GB of RAM, including your GPU's RAM. XP 64bit you say? Completely unstable and no support. Enjoy your hideous control panel with a huge block of options to scroll through, with absolutely no categorising or sorting. Enjoy your lack of a wallpaper slideshow. Stare at the same wallpaper every day. Enjoy your constantly crashing programs, and an 'end task' button in the task manager which actually doesn't work.
You know error reporting in Windows XP? You know how it's useless, so you always click 'Don't send'? Well, in 7, you are actually given solutions. Enjoy your lack of Aero snap. Want to see 2 windows side by side? You have two choices. Either painstakingly click and drag minimised windows into position, or end every single program except the two you want side-by-side, then right click on the start bar and select some option hidden somewhere. Enjoy your lack of jumplists. How do you instantly go to a frequent website from your desktop? Use a bunch of saved bookmark files in some unsorted folder? Well, I just right click on the Firefox icon, and click on the site I'm interested in. Enjoy your lack of items on the start bar which give useful information. If I have a download in Firefox running, or a copy-and-paste job in explore, the icon becomes illuminated with a status bar. XP doesn't even have Homegroup support.
How do you go to your desktop which is beneath several windows? Click that little desktop button which is like 1/8 the distance from the left to right of the screen, and about 10 pixels up from the bottom? Make sure you aim carefully! On Windows 7, I swing the mouse to the absolute bottom-right and click. No aiming necessary. Fast and easy. Want automatic, clean, safe, and up-to-date backups? Not with XP! I see over 15 steps on the Microsoft support page to get a backup on XP. How many steps on 7? 5 for the first time, and none from there. Let's have a race. Open something you'd never use, like Paint (Which is better in 7, by the way). I press the start key, type paint, then press the enter key. Done. 2 seconds. Hmm, since you're using XP you'll need to click start > All programs > Accessories > scroll scroll scroll search search search > Paint. 15 seconds. How do you access all of your recent word docs? Well, I click start, hover over the word icon, and see all of my recent docs to the right. Easy. XP? You probably have folders upon folders of out-of-date shortcuts.
DirectX 10? DirectX 11? XP has neither. Support is dwindling. Enjoy not being able to play 50+ games at their best quality. Oh, something deleted your boot.ini. Oh dear. Well, Windows 7 doesn't have anything that archaic, and one automated and easily accessed Startup Repair later and you're good to go, with no loss of files, full reinstall and faffing about with command prompts. Hmm... Your display driver crashed for the billionth time today, giving you a BSOD? What a shame. Windows 7 can automatically reboot your display driver. Yes, often without even crashing the game. Want to connect to a wireless/VPN/mobile broadband/etc network? Like 2 or 3 clicks on 7. XP? Well, did the internet even exist in those prehistoric times? No wonder it takes like 10+ dialog boxes to do things so menial. It's time to use Windows Update on your XP computer! Let's see, was it Microsoft Update or Windows Update? Oh, I forget, I'll just click one. Ok, here opens Internet Explorer and OH GOD THE TOOLBARS ARE EATING MY FACE. Yep, now we just wait 10 minutes for the search and...oh... no updates. Sadface. Windows 7? Automated. If you want to go over advanced or optional updates, just type Update into your inta-search, press Enter, and a dedicated, in-OS UI appears. Which searches for updates in seconds! Sweet mother of all things holy, UPDATING IS EASY.
Oh dear, you have several notifications. Look near your clock. THOUSANDS OF ICONS ALL FLASHING ARGH MY EYES. THEY STRETCH OUT SO FAR TO THE LEFT MY TASKBAR IS GONE NOW. Windows 7? Click the arrow, and a little box appears above. It's 2D rather than 1D, so it fits a huge number of icons in a small space. Oh yeah, furthermore, some of these notifications are now added to the action centre. Got an OS update, security warning, maintenance process and more begging for attention? It's all in one icon rather than dozens.
Windows 7 is both shinier AND more usable. XP consists of huge lists to achieve the same thing with 4x the clicks and mouse movement. System requirements? Don't make me laugh. 2GB of RAM costs $25. Wait a minute. You can't upgrade anyway, because you're using a 32bit OS.
Your PC is the operating system you use. If your OS it out of date, then your entire system is, too.
Anyway, that's my rant. Update today. It's so much better and it affects every day of your life. |

Taylor Polynomial
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 02:43:00 -
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Sounds like someone has issues |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 02:53:00 -
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Windows. LMAO.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
476
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:00:00 -
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Taylor Polynomial wrote:Sounds like someone has issues The only issues in this thread are compatibility issues with out-of-date operating systems.
Also, Tippia, you're a hipster, and nobody likes hipsters. Put on your scarf and go complain about your favourite underground band which I've 'probably never heard' of becoming too mainstream.  |

Olleybear
I R' Carebear
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:04:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP
You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. |

Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:12:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Mussaschi wrote:Anyone has an info when this windows not drawn bug on windows xp will be fixed?
It works somehow with one client (at least mostly), but I would love to use more than one again, and windowed mode is not really a turn on
Probably never. Windows XP was released October 25, 2001. Making the game XP compatible would be working backwards. It is time to upgrade to 7.
On one hand I agree that we really should upgrade soon from our bugfree, stable and much loved Windows XP.
On the other hand that's not the issue at all here, if it somehow turns out that EVE doesn't support XP anymore I'd like to know since when and where is the big announcement to the customers?
Sorry for sounding harsh perhaps but I've had quite a few nerd rage fits over these damn windows by now. CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 GÇó Nyio GÇó Grenade? GÇó Forums |

electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:16:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing. ...truncated rage...
The way you go on and on makes me wonder if you'll have the same said rage on windows 7 when you move onto newer windows. Also several of the "selling points" you mention for windows 7 I have no use for. Several of the XP problems you mention I've never had. I'm not going to update to 7 unless I have to. Why, because microsoft thinks its better to teach someone an entirely new language every other year instead of sticking to the language they taught people. Language in this case being formatting, style, looks, methods, etc. For me, changing an operating system every other year is as drastic as tearing down parts of my house and rebuilding just as often. You might argue that its more like painting your room every year, but how often do you really repaint your room? PI Profit Calculator: calculates your profits and taxes of any PI product depending on how you built them! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:17:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Also, Tippia, you're a hipster, and nobody likes hipsters. Put on your scarf and go complain about your favourite underground band which I've 'probably never heard' of becoming too mainstream.  Pff! I used UNIX back when it was mainstream (or wellGǪ DG 386/ix GÇö but it was a certified clone), and then I used it when it wasn't mainstream any more, and then I used UNIX-likes when they were not-quite-yet-mainstream, and now I have UNIXes and unix-likes on pretty much every piece of computer:ish electronics in my house (phone, tablet, console, computersGǪ fridgeGǪ).
GǪalso, my XP isn't having any of the problems you enumerated (well, maybe DVD burning, but who the hell uses physical media any more?) 
Also, scarves are for weakling city-folks.
edit: Now, if you really want to talk snobbery, let's discuss ITS (and YOURGǪ and STYLE). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
476
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:23:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok. You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing.
XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid.
And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
143
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:25:00 -
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You should consider using an operating system not designed to run on a difference engine. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:31:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok. You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing. XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid. And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.
efficiency ???
hmm ..
well efficiency is win 2k .. everything above it is waste of resources. / in case of Microsoft products that is.
Win7 got far more issues than win XP ever have. Like overclocking memory, NB/ SB/ CPUs .. random BSODs because well just because why not.. no other reason... Startup well .. depend if its Wednesday or other day.
I would gladly switch back to win XP but it will require too much effort.
btw DirectX10/11 can be implemented into winXP just saying. as well as many other features. And still will be more efficient then Win7.
You should stop reading Microsoft advertising.
Anyway MS-DOS 6.22 and win3.11 for workgroups is all you need to play any "modern" game. It just requires hell lot of an patiance and trying to get it work ..  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:34:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:You should consider using an operating system not designed to run on a difference engine.
Too bad they couldn't get the funding to build it. 
Silly politicians.
edit: nvm, I was thinking about the analytical engine. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Gorefacer
STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:41:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.
Vista? That's the worst advice I've heard on these forums. Ever.
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Gorefacer
STRAG3S THE UNTHINKABLES
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:56:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. Oh, so you don't care for 'efficiency' in general. Ok. You don't need to upgrade, but if you do you'll notice improvements in all aspects of computing. XP has many problems. You just don't notice them because they're efficiency-related rather than specific crashes. 10 seconds of your time wasted every 5 minutes every day is something you should avoid. And, yes, Windows 7 is already very slightly bad in comparison to Windows 8 Developer Preview. Seen the new task manager? PHHWWOOOOARRRR.
Christ.
We are talking about running EVE. It's a desktop shortcut on my XP installation just like it is on my 7. A single double click is pretty efficient in either case.
Go OCD on crap nobody cares about somewhere else.
You could probably make a good argument about how inefficient a GUI is anyway and how efficient you can be with bash scripting and the like, that still doesn't mean that nobody should ever use windows. Or does it?
Now I'm confused, except that I can still cling to the knowledge that your posts are dumb. |

Eanok
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:59:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.
I'm still using XP on every single computer I own without issue. You cant be serious about Vista, what a pile that was. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:36:00 -
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Eanok wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to upgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online. I'm still using XP on every single computer I own without issue. You cant be serious about Vista, what a pile that was.
well .. i have had DOS 6.22, win3.11,then 9x, i tried ME, went back to 9x, then 2k, then XP, then Vista x64 /mainly due to memory usability (not when it came but about an year or so after) worked pretty well, no got Win7 and except problems with stability while "overclocking" and occasional "awesome automatic updates" which **** up the whole system to the point that it take an hour to actually start it and make it work again for a day, several weeks in row until they got another update which fixes it.
I am quite content..
/////////////////// Anyway Keep your windows XP.
multiple clients should work without problems, as been stated on first page. Try those things.. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |

Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
85
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:39:00 -
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Every person I've ever talked to has hated Vista, myself included. Worthless pile of digital excrement. I never had problems with XP, I still use it on my HP L2000 SE. My custom rig I installed W7 x64 because that's all I could find on the market, and I got a discount for ordering it with the case and power supply. I have no complaints about it, except for the insane amount of RAM it uses to do the exact same things XP does.
In fact, Eve would still run on my XP laptop except the integrated graphics don't support SM3. But that's not MS fault. Old laptop is still old. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:48:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Windows XP is ancient, ugly, unstable and embarrassing. Do you want to burn a DVD? OH WAIT WINDOWS XP CAN'T NATIVELY BURN DVDS. AHAHAHHAHAHAH. Enjoy your start menu which takes up the entire screen, and your lack of instant search. Enjoy the limitation of 4GB of RAM, including your GPU's RAM. XP 64bit you say? Completely unstable and no support. Enjoy your hideous control panel with a huge block of options to scroll through, with absolutely no categorising or sorting. Enjoy your lack of a wallpaper slideshow. Stare at the same wallpaper every day. Enjoy your constantly crashing programs, and an 'end task' button in the task manager which actually doesn't work.
You know error reporting in Windows XP? You know how it's useless, so you always click 'Don't send'? Well, in 7, you are actually given solutions. Enjoy your lack of Aero snap. Want to see 2 windows side by side? You have two choices. Either painstakingly click and drag minimised windows into position, or end every single program except the two you want side-by-side, then right click on the start bar and select some option hidden somewhere. Enjoy your lack of jumplists. How do you instantly go to a frequent website from your desktop? Use a bunch of saved bookmark files in some unsorted folder? Well, I just right click on the Firefox icon, and click on the site I'm interested in. Enjoy your lack of items on the start bar which give useful information. If I have a download in Firefox running, or a copy-and-paste job in explore, the icon becomes illuminated with a status bar. XP doesn't even have Homegroup support.
How do you go to your desktop which is beneath several windows? Click that little desktop button which is like 1/8 the distance from the left to right of the screen, and about 10 pixels up from the bottom? Make sure you aim carefully! On Windows 7, I swing the mouse to the absolute bottom-right and click. No aiming necessary. Fast and easy. Want automatic, clean, safe, and up-to-date backups? Not with XP! I see over 15 steps on the Microsoft support page to get a backup on XP. How many steps on 7? 5 for the first time, and none from there. Let's have a race. Open something you'd never use, like Paint (Which is better in 7, by the way). I press the start key, type paint, then press the enter key. Done. 2 seconds. Hmm, since you're using XP you'll need to click start > All programs > Accessories > scroll scroll scroll search search search > Paint. 15 seconds. How do you access all of your recent word docs? Well, I click start, hover over the word icon, and see all of my recent docs to the right. Easy. XP? You probably have folders upon folders of out-of-date shortcuts.
DirectX 10? DirectX 11? XP has neither. Support is dwindling. Enjoy not being able to play 50+ games at their best quality. Oh, something deleted your boot.ini. Oh dear. Well, Windows 7 doesn't have anything that archaic, and one automated and easily accessed Startup Repair later and you're good to go, with no loss of files, full reinstall and faffing about with command prompts. Hmm... Your display driver crashed for the billionth time today, giving you a BSOD? What a shame. Windows 7 can automatically reboot your display driver. Yes, often without even crashing the game. Want to connect to a wireless/VPN/mobile broadband/etc network? Like 2 or 3 clicks on 7. XP? Well, did the internet even exist in those prehistoric times? No wonder it takes like 10+ dialog boxes to do things so menial. It's time to use Windows Update on your XP computer! Let's see, was it Microsoft Update or Windows Update? Oh, I forget, I'll just click one. Ok, here opens Internet Explorer and OH GOD THE TOOLBARS ARE EATING MY FACE. Yep, now we just wait 10 minutes for the search and...oh... no updates. Sadface. Windows 7? Automated. If you want to go over advanced or optional updates, just type Update into your inta-search, press Enter, and a dedicated, in-OS UI appears. Which searches for updates in seconds! Sweet mother of all things holy, UPDATING IS EASY.
Oh dear, you have several notifications. Look near your clock. THOUSANDS OF ICONS ALL FLASHING ARGH MY EYES. THEY STRETCH OUT SO FAR TO THE LEFT MY TASKBAR IS GONE NOW. Windows 7? Click the arrow, and a little box appears above. It's 2D rather than 1D, so it fits a huge number of icons in a small space. Oh yeah, furthermore, some of these notifications are now added to the action centre. Got an OS update, security warning, maintenance process and more begging for attention? It's all in one icon rather than dozens.
Windows 7 is both shinier AND more usable. XP consists of huge lists to achieve the same thing with 4x the clicks and mouse movement. System requirements? Don't make me laugh. 2GB of RAM costs $25. Wait a minute. You can't upgrade anyway, because you're using a 32bit OS.
Your PC is the operating system you use. If your OS it out of date, then your entire system is, too.
Anyway, that's my rant. Update today. It's so much better and it affects every day of your life.
just going to mention i m using Windows XP with Directx 10... courtesy of some russians, and that there is not a single bit of software so far i cannot run on XP old nor new.
also the control panel DO has caterogization and maybe you didn't knew but you can easily add the instant search feature to XP trough windows updates with windows Search 4. XP is 10 years old, but it has been keep up to date constantly over the years and features that were added to ot her windows are just as readily avaiable in XP, including Aero features from windows 7, not saying win7 is bad, i use it i love it, but XP is just as good in the end (also old games work faster in XP).
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Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:49:00 -
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Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does.
Probably because you haven't looked that hard.
- Increased performance
- Increased stability
- Support for newer hardware
- Overall easier use and smoother workflow
- People are going to stop supporting it really soon
For crying out loud, I think I would rather be running on Ubuntu or something rather than XP at this point.
Also, you cannot say 'I see no reason to upgrade' and whine about lack of third party support and be the same person.
You see a lot of statistics about how XP is still one of the most popular OS out there. Well it's because of people like you, and it's holding the rest of us back.
So do you just not wan't to try something new that a lot of people obviously like, or are you just lazy? Don't you dare say anything about money since you can try it for free for 30 days and THEN decide and purchasing a license.
electrostatus wrote: For me, changing an operating system every other year is as drastic as tearing down parts of my house and rebuilding just as often. You might argue that its more like painting your room every year, but how often do you really repaint your room?
I would compare it more to putting a goddamn CD into my goddamn optical drive and clicking some buttons. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:00:00 -
[40] - Quote
Nemesis Factor wrote:Aldarica wrote:Nothing wrong with XP here. And I don't see any reason to upgrade to 7 for as long as XP works fine. Which it does. Probably because you haven't looked that hard.
- Increased performance
- Increased stability
- Support for newer hardware
- Overall easier use and smoother workflow
- People are going to stop supporting it really soon
non of above is actually correct, unless you really believe Advertisement, in that case i suggest some medical treatment.
But its wrong forum for such things.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:16:00 -
[41] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch.
Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either.
Then there is security, speed, stability....
By the way, I don't think anyone is going to take advice on pc matters from someone with such poor grasp of the English language. ;) |

Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
90
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:21:00 -
[42] - Quote
HA HA HA HA HA
you all use windows....
Why you no use Linux, like the smart people of the world.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:22:00 -
[43] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either. Then there is security, speed, stability....
Still off-topic..
Can run 10 accounts maybe even more on Win XP.. so dont know what are you doing, but you are doing it wrong.
Also security, mostly user fault speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use. stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k.
*Just saying. Not that it matters. Derail of the thread seems intentional, therefore i call it Troll thread"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:22:00 -
[44] - Quote
MehGǪ getting more than 4GB out of XP is just a matter of diking out the license limitationGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:22:00 -
[45] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Also security, mostly user fault
Flaws in the OS code are not the user's fault and are the most common type of exploitable weakness.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use.
Please cite your sources because that statement is demonstrably untrue. pcmag hardware heaven techradar softpedia
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k.
Of course it's the most stable thing you have had, it's the newest operating system you have tried, you dinosaur.. If you haven't even really compared the two then all of your commentary is invalid.
Some people are just stuck in their ways. Cannot be argued with and any proof presented (even in the absence of their own proof) will just be ignored. The old mentality of "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it" is a very poor choice to make. If everyone thought that way we would be stuck in the stone age.
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: The horse and buggy is perfectly fine. Internal combustion is just unnecessary.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:24:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nemesis Factor wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Also security, mostly user fault
Flaws in the OS code are not the user's fault and are the most common type of exploitable weakness. Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use.
Please cite your sources because that statement is demonstrably untrue. pcmaghardware heaventechradarsoftpediaJaroslav Unwanted wrote: stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k.
Of course it's the most stable thing you have had, it's the newest operating system you have tried. If you haven't even really compared the two then all of your commentary is invalid. Some people are just stuck in their ways. Cannot be argued with and any proof presented (even in the absence of their own proof) will just be ignored. The old mentality of "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it" is a very poor choice to make. If everyone thought that way we would be stuck in the stone age.
Well source, my experience. What i was doing : playing games mostly.
And if you look bit up you would know i tried every microsoft system since MS-DOS 6.22 to Windows7 which i currently use. |

Nemesis Factor
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
22
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:27:00 -
[47] - Quote
Well, good, it's your word vs. mine and everyone I linked up there. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
439
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:28:00 -
[48] - Quote
Nemesis Factor wrote:
Some people are just stuck in their ways. Cannot be argued with and any proof presented (even in the absence of their own proof) will just be ignored. The old mentality of "if it 'aint broke, don't fix it" is a very poor choice to make. If everyone thought that way we would be stuck in the stone age.
On the other hand, if you upgrade to a new MS OS before Service Pack 1 is out, you're taking a big risk.
Just because something's new and has new features, it doesn't mean that it's going to work as advertised. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:29:00 -
[49] - Quote
Nemesis Factor wrote:Well, good, it's your word vs. mine and everyone I linked up there.
Pretty much.
Point was .. that Win XP is fully capable of running multiple clients of EVE. Or much better choice if you dont use PC built at 2009-2011. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
538
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:36:00 -
[50] - Quote
Well Windows XP is dead for support it takes a bit of work to get around the retentive 'were not updating that' status ms has on it. Oldes OS they support atm is XP SP 1 and thats scheduled to die in... 2013 was it?
Win 7 has a few neat tools that XP would be jealous of like windows repair which actually for once fixes the darn computer software wise.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:48:00 -
[51] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either. Then there is security, speed, stability.... Still off-topic.. Can run 10 accounts maybe even more on Win XP.. so dont know what are you doing, but you are doing it wrong. Also security, mostly user fault speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use. stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k. *Just saying. Not that it matters. Derail of the thread seems intentional, therefore i call it Troll thread" Lock for no content.
Failure to understanding what you're quoting is not good. I don't think I mentioned accounts. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:49:00 -
[52] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch. Xp cannot support the eve cache running on a RAM disk which is mounted on 4 of the 16g I've got , which xp also cannot support either. Then there is security, speed, stability.... Still off-topic.. Can run 10 accounts maybe even more on Win XP.. so dont know what are you doing, but you are doing it wrong. Also security, mostly user fault speed, XP is way faster at most things, a bit slower at some, which most people never use. stability .. well probably most stable system i had since win2k. *Just saying. Not that it matters. Derail of the thread seems intentional, therefore i call it Troll thread" Lock for no content. Failure to understanding what you're quoting is not good. I don't think I mentioned accounts.
Failure to understanding what should this thread be about ... well ..
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
268
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Posted - 2011.12.05 08:52:00 -
[53] - Quote
Hey I heard it's 2011.
Fly Safe, Die Hard As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:10:00 -
[54] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Hey I heard it's 2011. Indeed it is. You'd think that people would have forgotten the "max 4GB" myth by nowGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
11
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:10:00 -
[55] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:[quote=Alexa Coates] I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need.
See now i just know you have no idea what you're talking about, try playing battlefield bad company 2 under DX9 and DX11 and you'll massive yes MASSIVE performance increases in the game because its able to offload extra work to idle CPU cores to increase the processing of certain elements, so yes noone needs that at all do they >.>
As for the RAM comment, sure vista had RAM issues but win7 resolved those issues, but hey if you enjoy living in the past feel free to do so, XP actually reached its EOL but it was extended because of the issues with vista, had that not happened it would be dead now :) |

RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
148
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:17:00 -
[56] - Quote
2 clients seem to work fine here,,,, http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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TharOkha
0asis Group
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:18:00 -
[57] - Quote
WHy using the cars, when we have the horses.  GÇ£Reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
80
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
You're middle aged, you're sitting at a computer, on a game forum, arguing about different operating systems merits. The only reason you post is because you like to think you can write something clever against a faceless, remote, other middle aged person, sitting at a computer, on a game forum, arguing about different operating systems merits. Let the existential crisis begin... Damn nature, you scary! |

Marcus Harikari
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
LOL @ using computers. Whoever doesn't have a cybernetic implant directly in your eye/mind interface to run games is WAY behind the times. Noobs.
And XP pwns so much face. The only thing wrong is lack of support for over 4GB of RAM. But the only program that needs that much ram is Starcraft2, anyhow...I'm ok with running it at low settings, if that means I can continue to use the best operating system ever. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:50:00 -
[60] - Quote
Marcus Harikari wrote:The only thing wrong is lack of support for over 4GB of RAM. *sigh* 
Good news: XP is fairly easy to alter so it supports over 4GB of RAM.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
324
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:52:00 -
[61] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:why are you still using XP? Come on even schools are upgrading to 7 now. Never touch a running system ;). Win7 offers nothing over WinXP ... except MORE COLLORS. I don't know a singel program, which does not work under XP except DX11 which noone need. And it would take several DAYS for a full switch.
Well if I remember correctly with windows 7 my computer actually uses the 8 gig ram I inserted, unlike XP.
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
307
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
This thread is going to hell, with 90% of the posters not even getting the point.  I just hope some peeps at CCP is working on this.. CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 GÇó Nyio GÇó Grenade? GÇó Forums |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:58:00 -
[63] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:Well if I remember correctly with windows 7 my computer actually uses the 8 gig ram I inserted, unlike XP. You remember incorrectly, for two reasons:
Windows 7 does not automatically mean you can use 8GB. Windows XP does not automatically mean you cannot use 8GB. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Marcus Harikari
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:58:00 -
[64] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Marcus Harikari wrote:The only thing wrong is lack of support for over 4GB of RAM. *sigh*  Good news: XP is fairly easy to alter so it supports over 4GB of RAM. Do tell. Then what reasons are left for upgrading? I don't see any. Lack of native DVD burning? LOL, it's much easier to get a program than to change your OS. And I don't really have many crash problems with XP, not enough to make me want to upgrade. Vista was awful. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Marcus Harikari wrote:Do tell. Then what reasons are left for upgrading? I don't see any. Lack of native DVD burning? LOL, it's much easier to get a program than to change your OS. And I don't really have many crash problems with XP, not enough to make me want to upgrade. Vista was awful. Just google for GÇ£alter XP for more than 4GB" or something to that effect, and you should be able to find a few guides.
GǪand then you can do the same to alter Vista and Win7 for the same purpose.
The thing about the 4GB limitation is that it's something Microsoft has coded into the OS as part of the license if you buy a 32-bit version of any of their consumer OSes GÇö you can make the OS skip/ignore/misread that license and thus gain access to more RAM (for comparison, many of the old 32bit server versions of windows would let you run with 16 or even 64GB RAM out of the box). It's not an actual limit of the system, and hasn't been sinceGǪ ohGǪ 1995 or so. It's just good old MS saying GÇ£Oh, so you paid that much for your OS? Well, then you get this much RAM to play withGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

TharOkha
0asis Group
6
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
Well, In the end, its up to you, what OS you will use. But dont expect to have support for dinosaur old OS. If you like MS-DOS, then use it, but without support. If you like Win7, use it and with support. GÇ£Reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:27:00 -
[67] - Quote
TharOkha wrote:Well, In the end, its up to you, what OS you will use. But dont expect to have support for dinosaur old OS. If you like MS-DOS, then use it, but without support. If you like Win7, use it and with support. GǪand since XP is supported by both CCP and MS, that's what the OP is asking for. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
201
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tippia wrote:
The thing about the 4GB limitation is that it's something Microsoft has coded into the OS as part of the license if you buy a 32-bit version of any of their consumer OSes GÇö you can make the OS skip/ignore/misread that license and thus gain access to more RAM (for comparison, many of the old 32bit server versions of windows would let you run with 16 or even 64GB RAM out of the box). It's not an actual limit of the system, and hasn't been sinceGǪ ohGǪ 1995 or so. It's just good old MS saying GÇ£Oh, so you paid that much for your OS? Well, then you get this much RAM to play withGÇ¥.
You got any sources to back that up? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1950
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:10:00 -
[69] - Quote
Alpheias wrote:You got any sources to back that up? Will Microsoft's own SKU listing do? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
148
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:01:00 -
[70] - Quote
i hope they dont. Simply to force you to upgrade.
Old, unmaintained OS's is the primary reason for botnets / ddos / general trashyness of today's internet. |
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
439
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:12:00 -
[71] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:i hope they dont. Simply to force you to upgrade.
Old, unmaintained OS's is the primary reason for botnets / ddos / general trashyness of today's internet.
No, the primary reason for those things is end-user stupidity.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
228
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
Windows Vista is only supported until 2012, while Win XP is supported until 2014.
When I get a new machine, I shall go from Win XP to Linux. Win ME then Virusta was enough M$ for me.
Edit:
New Hardware -> bloated software -> new hardware -> repeat.
Have a look at the 64KB and 128KB graphics demonstrations. Example Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |

Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
325
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:19:00 -
[73] - Quote
I'm running XP and haven't noticed any issues with Crucible, if anything I can run a single or multiple clients much more smoothly.
I'd upgrade if there was an issue with using XP but there isn't. It's amusing to see so many people bent out of shape over the OS someone they don't know uses but this thread could still be on page 1 and be much more informative if you morons would stop being so compulsive. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
476
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:20:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tippia wrote: Just google for GÇ£alter XP for more than 4GB" or something to that effect, and you should be able to find a few guides.
GǪand then you can do the same to alter Vista and Win7 for the same purpose.
The thing about the 4GB limitation is that it's something Microsoft has coded into the OS as part of the license if you buy a 32-bit version of any of their consumer OSes GÇö you can make the OS skip/ignore/misread that license and thus gain access to more RAM (for comparison, many of the old 32bit server versions of windows would let you run with 16 or even 64GB RAM out of the box). It's not an actual limit of the system, and hasn't been sinceGǪ ohGǪ 1995 or so. It's just good old MS saying GÇ£Oh, so you paid that much for your OS? Well, then you get this much RAM to play withGÇ¥.
Since XP's service pack 2, changes to the HAL have made this procedure very different. You can edit the kernel, but expect problems. Furthermore, driver and application support would be horrendous. It's already bad enough with XP 64bit, but hacked? Besides, a 64bit processor is a requirement (Of course). Then there's the issue of XP having very poor 4+ core support. If you use XP, you're shooting yourself in the foot.
Also, Microsoft aren't evil any more. Apple are the bad guys now. Get with the times.
Advantages of XP over 7 -Uses 750mb less RAM. That's $9 worth of RAM.  -... -*Tumbleweed*
Advantages of 7 over XP -Everything else |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
476
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:29:00 -
[75] - Quote
Steam hardware survey 2011
Windows 7 64 bit 44.62% +0.96%
Windows XP 32 bit 17.92% -0.93%
Windows Vista 64 bit 13.77% +0.27%
Windows Vista 32 bit 12.14% -0.28%
Windows 7 10.15% +0.01%
Windows XP 64 bit 1.05% +0.02%
Windows 2003 64 bit 0.24% -0.02%
Other 0.10% -0.04%
Wow. Given 4 more months, Vista will overtake XP. Amusing. |

Demolishar
The 57th Overlanders
221
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:55:00 -
[76] - Quote
Well, CCP has ONE day to fix this before my sub runs out because I can't click the goddamn PLEX to resub, k? |

2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 13:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
Well i would like to mention ... WINDOWS 7 ISNT FREE FOOL PAY FOR IT
btw i run 4 monitors and 12 gig of ram on xp and can run 6 accounts on high graphics.. the problem is on ccps end... and also you are wrong xp will be supported by 80 percent of companies until MS drops support which wont be till 2014 so ... tear who cares stop crying you have windows 7 cool.. get a tee-shirt |

Famble
Three's a Crowd
137
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Posted - 2011.12.05 14:43:00 -
[78] - Quote
IT guy stating that half my clients still run WinXP. I'm upgrading them to Win7 as their hardware dies, no sense upgrading sooner, XP is fine. Servers are getting new OS love in a couple of months.
At home, two Win7 desktops and an XP rig for network backups, media streaming etc.
I love Win7 but sheesh XP is perfectly fine, upgrade if you want to but you certainly don't NEED to for a couple more years yet. Support is either through or to 2014 I forget.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |

Serena Wilde
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 14:53:00 -
[79] - Quote
I'm running XP 32bit and I have no problem running 2 clients at all on my computer. Albeit, I am running in Windowed mode...
There is nothing wrong with running Windows XP, I find. I will upgrade once I build a new computer, but until then, I have no need to; this one is working fine.
The funny thing is, those people that are running XP are having less major problems than Windows 7 users while playing Skyrim... |

Generals4
Caldari State
529
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Posted - 2011.12.05 14:55:00 -
[80] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Mussaschi wrote:Anyone has an info when this windows not drawn bug on windows xp will be fixed?
It works somehow with one client (at least mostly), but I would love to use more than one again, and windowed mode is not really a turn on
Probably never. Windows XP was released October 25, 2001. Making the game XP compatible would be working backwards. It is time to upgrade to 7.
... I bought this PC back in the Vista times, i obviously choose for XP and i ain't shelling god knows how much to upgrade a pc that is now most likely worth less than the price of W7.
This said i personally have little to no issues regarding XP compatibility. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
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Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
14
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:01:00 -
[81] - Quote
Off topic:
EvE runs just fine on the Windows 8 Developer Preview.
Much better than on XP on the same hardware. |

Lord Ryan
True Xero
128
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Posted - 2011.12.05 16:18:00 -
[82] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:Can you at least try to downgrade to Windows Vista? I can't imagine anyone using XP for anything these days as that system is already over 10 years old for crying out loud. It is literally as old as Eve Online.
Fixed that for you!
When I be able to run Eve on Windows 95? -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Barakkus
1151
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Posted - 2011.12.05 16:20:00 -
[83] - Quote
Try using multiple monitors and instructions here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients Dual boxing with 1 monitor is no good. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
199
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Posted - 2011.12.05 16:51:00 -
[84] - Quote
I see. I know there was a limitation but I have always thought it was code based (I am not a software engineer) but it makes sense for business reasons aside from practically a non-existing 64bit support, few consumers had more than 1-2GB of ram and enterprise level was leagues above anyhow.
Moot argument today though as you get 32 and 64bit with all versions of Windows 7. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 17:51:00 -
[85] - Quote
Darrow Hill wrote:Off topic:
EvE runs just fine on the Windows 8 Developer Preview.
Much better than on XP on the same hardware.
"note same hardware.. is probably 2011 / new on 2008 PC it will run probably much better on XP  |

StillBorn CrackBaby
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Olleybear wrote:DarkAegix wrote: Bunch of stuff why Win7 is better than XP You know, there isn't one single thing in your post that makes me want to, let alone need to, upgrade to Win7. Agreed in a way. I have 12 working PC's here at home, 5 of them running XP, (including 2 netbooks which don't count) and on the other 3 of those machines I use, they are dedicated to running EVE and nothing else.... |

Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:02:00 -
[87] - Quote
Although on a random note, my old PC ran faster with vista than it did XP, on a default clean install vista was faster without a doubt over XP, and on my current hardware i see no reason to be using XP for gaming when i own DX11 games as i wish to take advantage of the performance increases :) |

Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
14
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:09:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Darrow Hill wrote:Off topic:
EvE runs just fine on the Windows 8 Developer Preview.
Much better than on XP on the same hardware. "note same hardware.. is probably 2011 / new on 2008 PC it will run probably much better on XP 
Actually, no.
I was running a dual boot of XP / Win 8 Preview on an Athlon 64 5200 (2.7ghz dual core) with 4 gigs DDR2 800 and a Geforce GT-8600.
The hardware was out of date by 2008.
It gets a 4.6 windows experience rating. :P |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:11:00 -
[89] - Quote
Darrow Hill wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Darrow Hill wrote:Off topic:
EvE runs just fine on the Windows 8 Developer Preview.
Much better than on XP on the same hardware. "note same hardware.. is probably 2011 / new on 2008 PC it will run probably much better on XP  Actually, no. I was running a dual boot of XP / Win 8 Preview on an Athlon 64 5200 (2.7ghz dual core) with 4 gigs DDR2 800 and a Geforce GT-8600. The hardware was out of date by 2008. It gets a 4.6 windows experience rating. :P
heh what the heck is windows experience rating. i know i saw it, but i never figure it as some number with actuall meaning. Its like film scores 7/10 10/10 meaningless  |

Cipher Jones
128
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:lmao windows xp
how are you liking your fisher price taskbar theme, horrible security and incompatibility with new software????
Lol. .dll based OS's are ALL insecure.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:20:00 -
[91] - Quote
XP is one of the greatest OS's i've had the pleasure of using. that said i still love win 7 and wouldn't downgrade to XP. if your having an issue i think it's your end as others in the thread seem to have XP and have it working fine. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
229
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Posted - 2011.12.05 19:42:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
win vista, win 7 etc. got some "nice features" which are mostly useless and have double maybe even more requirements to even run.
windows 7 is nicer to your system than Vista and eve's hardware requirements are above the minimum requirements for windows 7
minimum specs for Win7 - published
32 bit 1Ghz CPU, 1GB of ram, DX9 video card, 16GB harddrive space
64bit 1ghz 64bit cpu, 2GB ram, DX9 video card, 20GB harddrive
(real minimums - lower than that)
minimum specs for windows xp (initial release, not SP) CPU 233 mhz, 64MB ram, 1.5GB harddrive, 800x600 video resolution capable card
Eve Online system requirements: Windows XP SP2 or later 1.5GHZ CPU w/ SSE2 support 1GB (XP) / 1.5GB (vista/7) of ram 20GB harddrive ATI x1600 or nVidia geforce 7300 or later w/ minimum 128MB VRAM and SM3 support DX9c
Bored in 0.0?-á reset all standings.
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MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
37
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:11:00 -
[93] - Quote
Forget XP
I just went to a windows 8 developer preview and what runs on windows 7 is guaranteed to run on Windows 8.
XP is being pushed out of the picture anyway. |

Gavjack Bunk
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
73
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:12:00 -
[94] - Quote
1s and 0s don't get old. Programmers just get lazier. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
229
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:17:00 -
[95] - Quote
Tippia wrote:
The thing about the 4GB limitation is that it's something Microsoft has coded into the OS as part of the license if you buy a 32-bit version of any of their consumer OSes .
ADDRESS SPACE, YOU DOLT.
don't ever open your ******* mouth about software again, ever.
[edit] translated to idiot-speak (Tippia's language) - DURRHURR HARDWAAR!!
laymens terms: that 4GB limitation on 32bit machines is A HARDWARE LIMITATION INHERENT TO 32BIT PROCESSORS. Bored in 0.0?-á reset all standings.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
165
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:22:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tippia wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Also, Tippia, you're a hipster, and nobody likes hipsters. Put on your scarf and go complain about your favourite underground band which I've 'probably never heard' of becoming too mainstream.  Pff! I used UNIX back when it was mainstream (or wellGǪ DG 386/ix GÇö but it was a certified clone), and then I used it when it wasn't mainstream any more, and then I used UNIX-likes when they were not-quite-yet-mainstream, and now I have UNIXes and unix-likes on pretty much every piece of computer:ish electronics in my house (phone, tablet, console, computersGǪ fridgeGǪ). GǪalso, my XP isn't having any of the problems you enumerated (well, maybe DVD burning, but who the hell uses physical media any more?)  Also, scarves are for weakling city-folks. edit: Now, if you really want to talk snobbery, let's discuss ITS (and YOURGǪ and STYLE).
you think you could help me with getting drivers for my toaster? 
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
231
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:27:00 -
[97] - Quote
How the **** is Windowed mode for EvE a turnoff? It is ******* amazing! In fact it is one of the only games I have EVER seen that did Windowed mode right! Takes up my whole ******* screen, I don't see window borders and allows me to switch screens whenever I need to.
OP is fail. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |

Generals4
Caldari State
462
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:29:00 -
[98] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:How the **** is Windowed mode for EvE a turnoff? It is ******* amazing! In fact it is one of the only games I have EVER seen that did Windowed mode right! Takes up my whole ******* screen, I don't see window borders and allows me to switch screens whenever I need to.
OP is fail.
waaay too many "*" -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 22:48:00 -
[99] - Quote
Alt-Tabbing still let my windows vanish, even with new patch. Any info if there is a solution on the way or whether xp will be removed from the compatibility list? |
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