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GenericForumAlt 1267389
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:47:19 -
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I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.
We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.
CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:52:19 -
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GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.
We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.
CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.
Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers... |
Col Arran
Col and Friends Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:53:52 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers...
Normally I would agree with this sentiment but if you look at it they all tried to kill wow with games that when you stand back and look at it, were basically wow. I think EVE is in a bit of a different position here or else I would agree with your viewpoint. |
DaReaper
Net 7
1980
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:54:40 -
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i don;t mind some of the changes. the learning curve in eve is steep, but giving someone more then a dogy paddle before tossing them intot he deep end is good.
And more wow players, more people to shoo tin the face.
Eve has room to devlope in ways to attract people without losing itself. The hot red head who will rip your balls off if you **** her off, can change her dress if she wishes.. or put on makeup.. but she will still rip your balls off.
as long as eve stays single shard, uninstanced, open world, and dark. she will be fine. you can dull some of the edges for noobs, and still keep her core
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:02:28 -
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The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
150
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:04:34 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is.
Agreed. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:06:00 -
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We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:06:17 -
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I'm sorry but I guess I don't get what point you are trying to make here?
honestly I see mostly praise, there is some criticism but nearly all of what I have seen is deserved. And maybe a few "waah! damage control icon change" but I half see those as a joke. Overall I think CCP is doing a great job, the new release schedule worried me a bit at first, but so far they have been delivering a bunch of stuff each time and most of it is good. I saw a great post the other day about how CCP had 4 major problems going on at the same time and that is why the summer of rage happened.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:08:28 -
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DaReaper wrote:i don;t mind some of the changes. the learning curve in eve is steep, but giving someone more then a dogy paddle before tossing them intot he deep end is good.
And more wow players, more people to shoo tin the face.
Eve has room to devlope in ways to attract people without losing itself. The hot red head who will rip your balls off if you **** her off, can change her dress if she wishes.. or put on makeup.. but she will still rip your balls off.
as long as eve stays single shard, uninstanced, open world, and dark. she will be fine. you can dull some of the edges for noobs, and still keep her core Dude... I'm blonde right now. :p
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:10:32 -
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Solecist Project wrote:DaReaper wrote:i don;t mind some of the changes. the learning curve in eve is steep, but giving someone more then a dogy paddle before tossing them intot he deep end is good.
And more wow players, more people to shoo tin the face.
Eve has room to devlope in ways to attract people without losing itself. The hot red head who will rip your balls off if you **** her off, can change her dress if she wishes.. or put on makeup.. but she will still rip your balls off.
as long as eve stays single shard, uninstanced, open world, and dark. she will be fine. you can dull some of the edges for noobs, and still keep her core Dude... I'm blonde right now. :p
Yeah. I'm the hot redhead. |
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22400
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:11:38 -
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AWWW .... cutey. ;)
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1744
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:16:36 -
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Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.
I really hope you don't really believe what you typed... |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:25:38 -
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We're like the masterrace of the masterrace? |
Etaine O Conghaile
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:25:45 -
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DaReaper wrote:i don;t mind some of the changes. the learning curve in eve is steep, but giving someone more then a dogy paddle before tossing them intot he deep end is good.
And more wow players, more people to shoo tin the face.
Eve has room to devlope in ways to attract people without losing itself. The hot red head who will rip your balls off if you **** her off, can change her dress if she wishes.. or put on makeup.. but she will still rip your balls off.
as long as eve stays single shard, uninstanced, open world, and dark. she will be fine. you can dull some of the edges for noobs, and still keep her core O.o
pew pew
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DaReaper
Net 7
1985
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:26:49 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. I really hope you don't really believe what you typed...
tough it is kinda true. i joined another game a few years ago and tried it. i would up killing someone and going 'great wheres my loot? what do you mean he keeps his crap? then what was the point? xp? pish"
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:30:35 -
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Cosmetic items are inherently harmless, atleast with these ship skins people can actually see them and they aren't locked down to character portraits. However while I might profit off of it eventually, a $25 something ship skin for a frigate is a bit crazy. |
Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:32:32 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. I really hope you don't really believe what you typed...
People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is.
We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22400
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:33:02 -
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DaReaper wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. I really hope you don't really believe what you typed... tough it is kinda true. i joined another game a few years ago and tried it. i would up killing someone and going 'great wheres my loot? what do you mean he keeps his crap? then what was the point? xp? pish" Exactly. EVE was the first ever MMO I tried, because it met my minimum requirements for playing.
(never got to play UO)
When I tried ArcheAge (my second and last "MMO") I kind of loved it for the scenery. I could run around in underwear, pick up flowers and enjoy the scenery ...
... but WTF, it's so damn easy and boring I felt like a hippy.
Killed NPCs ten level above myself ... too easy. Can't even kill people everywhere. No constant danger.
The skills I aquired in EVE make other games childsplay.
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22400
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:34:21 -
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And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....
How stupid. ^_^
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
68
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:36:30 -
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Solecist Project wrote:And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....
How stupid. ^_^
I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well."
I couldn't argue. |
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:38:22 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....
How stupid. ^_^ I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well." I couldn't argue. Quoting for absolute truth.
We should do like goons do. Invade other games, create EVE guilds/whatever and just show them who's boss.
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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DaReaper
Net 7
1985
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:52:10 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....
How stupid. ^_^ I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well." I couldn't argue. Quoting for absolute truth. We should do like goons do. Invade other games, create EVE guilds/whatever and just show them who's boss.
I think this will happen in the vaporware game that shall not be named. if it comes out
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:58:12 -
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Yeah ... to wreck it, assuming the game is actually good enough to let us.
I wish you a slow, agonising death with screams and tears of pain and horror.
Have everything you posess taken away from you.
Most importantly ... yourself.
Corpses4Drifters
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Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
50
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:59:22 -
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Man, I hate WoW...
So more WoW players to destroy on this game too?
LOL I'd call that a win win.
Fíorghrá: Grá na fírinne
Déan gáire...Tiocfaidh ár lá
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2262
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:03:28 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. I really hope you don't really believe what you typed... People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is. We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition. That having been said, though, I welcome the WoW transplants as I stated above. Any chance to get someone into a real online game is a chance I'll take.
I actually really liked WoW until the story had taken me everywhere and my friends told me to queue for dungeons until level 80. Then it got kind of boring and I lost interest.
It's a pretty cool single player game though. Gigantic and colourful and pretty funny. It was also nice to run around those places that I knew from the RTS games I played in some distant past and could barely remember. |
Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
68
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:36:17 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. I really hope you don't really believe what you typed... People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is. We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition. That having been said, though, I welcome the WoW transplants as I stated above. Any chance to get someone into a real online game is a chance I'll take. I actually really liked WoW until the story had taken me everywhere and my friends told me to queue for dungeons until level 80. Then it got kind of boring and I lost interest. It's a pretty cool single player game though. Gigantic and colourful and pretty funny. It was also nice to run around those places that I knew from the RTS games I played in some distant past and could barely remember.
I played WoW from closed beta to the launch of Cataclysm. It really lost its luster at that point with me. It is the biggest online single player game I've ever played. You actually have to TRY to die in WoW. In EvE all you have to do is undock.
I enjoyed my time in WoW as well just as I enjoyed my Everquest time (9 years!!) but EvE is by far the best. |
Thomas Harding
Flaming Sideburns Social Club
32
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Posted - 2015.04.29 22:46:53 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Solecist Project wrote:And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore....
How stupid. ^_^ I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well." I couldn't argue.
Nethack. As much as I would like to say Eve is best game there is, it isn't. Nethack is still best.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:05:38 -
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GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:... CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. ... ... and yet, the easier EVE gets the lower the average online players drops if you look at 3 months, 6 months, year and 5 years.
I agree that CCP can reduce complexity but not at the expense of depth.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:24:43 -
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Col Arran wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers... Normally I would agree with this sentiment but if you look at it they all tried to kill wow with games that when you stand back and look at it, were basically wow. I think EVE is in a bit of a different position here or else I would agree with your viewpoint. If anything CCP is trying to cater to not exactly the same player-base just attempting to get some overlap going on.
Eve is definitely different. Hopefully it never becomes WoW though. As the saying goes, "If i wanted to play WoW, I'd go play WoW. Not a WoW clone."
Eve is still far too different to even be considered such a thing. With that being said, would be pretty cool to see ship skins tied to the ships they're applied and monocles (clothing) tied to the pod clone the player equips. And make them both destructible But then no one would ever spend $40 on a ship skin
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:27:52 -
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GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it. If you define "hold their game back" as "not maximizing profits" then you're why gaming has slowly, but surely, gone down the shitter.
Thanks, Goodhart's Law. :( |
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