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Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23692	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:27:13 - [91] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. If people want to act like NPC rats then they'll get treated as such. Quote: The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. The "victim" has every chance, they have access to the exact same tools and mechanics as the "griefers", that they choose not to use them is their problem. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Avaelica Kuershin 46	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:29:23 - [92] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: It's more like griefing in a pvp game is destroying the chance for real pvp. At least I think that was the point he was trying to make. In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. Ah... the debate of what 'real' pvp is. I admit to having played that other game and have been ganked... (and returned the favour) and guess what, as far as the GMs there are concerned, ganking by a max level character is still PVP. I think with the overuse of the word 'griefer', I may take some of Feyd's advice.
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2363	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:29:52 - [93] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: Rowells wrote: PVP is destroying a PVP game! More on this story at 11... It's more like griefing in a pvp game is destroying the chance for real pvp. At least I think that was the point he was trying to make. In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. And by what definition of "real pvp" are you using as opposed to classifying it as greifing? Surely you're not trying to inject things like consent into this particular aspect, no? And in my experience, shooting back or evading death as a miner is plenty of chance. Granted a freighter doesn't have guns, but that doesn't mean it should be perfectly safe.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2291	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:35:49 - [94] - Quote Everyone knows real pvp only happens in instanced arenas with balanced teams who have willingly queued to be there.
Kinete Jenius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:37:42 - [95] - Quote Rowells wrote: Kinete Jenius wrote: Rowells wrote: PVP is destroying a PVP game! More on this story at 11... It's more like griefing in a pvp game is destroying the chance for real pvp. At least I think that was the point he was trying to make. In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. And by what definition of "real pvp" are you using as opposed to classifying it as greifing? Surely you're not trying to inject things like consent into this particular aspect, no? And in my experience, shooting back or evading death as a miner is plenty of chance. Granted a freighter doesn't have guns, but that doesn't mean it should be perfectly safe. When I want to gank someone there's usually very little to nothing they can do but die. If you're doing it right your victim has no chance. All it requires is that you spend a little time setting up the gank before hand. As the ganker you have all the advantages. You decide when and where the confrontation occurs. Your target can't even shoot back till you've already engaged them which is a huge advantage especially with alpha ganks. I have no care to get into the debate on what constitutes "real" pvp. My observation stands regardless of your views on what constitutes real pvp. EDIT : What I do find kind of hilarious is how the same posts cycle through the forums every year. This style of thread has popped up since basically the beta era. Everytime CCP gets rid of a stupid mechanic or makes it slightly easier or more commonsensical to do something people rant and rave about accommodating wow players and stuff.
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2363	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:43:55 - [96] - Quote Kinete Jenius wrote: Rowells wrote: Kinete Jenius wrote: Rowells wrote: PVP is destroying a PVP game! More on this story at 11... It's more like griefing in a pvp game is destroying the chance for real pvp. At least I think that was the point he was trying to make. In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. And by what definition of "real pvp" are you using as opposed to classifying it as greifing? Surely you're not trying to inject things like consent into this particular aspect, no? And in my experience, shooting back or evading death as a miner is plenty of chance. Granted a freighter doesn't have guns, but that doesn't mean it should be perfectly safe. When I want to gank someone there's usually very little to nothing they can do but die. If you're doing it right your victim has no chance. All it requires is that you spend a little time setting up the gank before hand. And that's to say the victim can't also do some work beforehand in order to avoid or deter that situation? The 'sudden overwhelming force' tactic is in no way unique to ganking.
Kinete Jenius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.04.30 23:47:50 - [97] - Quote Rowells wrote: Kinete Jenius wrote: Rowells wrote: Kinete Jenius wrote: Rowells wrote: PVP is destroying a PVP game! More on this story at 11... It's more like griefing in a pvp game is destroying the chance for real pvp. At least I think that was the point he was trying to make. In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. And by what definition of "real pvp" are you using as opposed to classifying it as greifing? Surely you're not trying to inject things like consent into this particular aspect, no? And in my experience, shooting back or evading death as a miner is plenty of chance. Granted a freighter doesn't have guns, but that doesn't mean it should be perfectly safe. When I want to gank someone there's usually very little to nothing they can do but die. If you're doing it right your victim has no chance. All it requires is that you spend a little time setting up the gank before hand. And that's to say the victim can't also do some work beforehand in order to avoid or deter that situation? The 'sudden overwhelming force' tactic is in no way unique to ganking. Well in the case of a miner they can watch local and dscan but that's it. Assuming you're not going gung ho full on code troll on them (which can be hilarious) then the miner's only hope is to watch dscan. But oh wait my warp in point is a cov ops cloaked ship that then starts bumping the miner as it tries to run as it noticed my catas on dscan. What is that miner going to do now other then die? try to jam me? hahahaha. Use it's drones to whittle one of the catas down a little? Doesn't matter I intend to lose them anyway. Freighters are even more screwed as they are forced to move through predictable paths and not even a scout can save them if you're properly setup. I'm not a huge fan of the blob tactics that exist in huge nullsec fights. I stepped out of that area years ago out of boredom.
Yobu Khan Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.01 00:01:08 - [98] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: You people are truly pathetic. You make a forum thread for like and get likes just to up your counter so it looks like people like you. You destroy null sec by infesting empire with grifer alts because you people don't want to look for fights anymore, u'd rather camp market hubs and then complain on the forums about lack of pvp in null when it's you, the so called null pvpers who are to blame. You constantly slam WoW, even tho it has over 7 million players worldwide and we don't even have 3/4 of a million because EvE is so broke it's a joke. You constantly screw up empire market prices by slamming frieghters non stop and slamming barges for lols non stop. You, the PvP population are single handedly destroying EvE and you have the audacity to come on here and COMPLAIN about ship skins and low numbers online. You use grifer alts to destroy new player corps non stop for then damn lols of it. You're pathetic. Alll the problems with EvE, you have only yourselves to blame Im sorry to say that even though he expressed himself in a very noxious way , what this guy says is very close to the picture i got after 10 days of playing. Its my first post here , but i honestly jump to the forums for everything that rises up. What i see ? New players like me with similar concerns , from tutorials to economy to skills or pvp , and same old veterans telling people "this game is not for you, *** off, go back to wow ". Same stuff overall can be dating back from 2008 maybe, and few ofc willing to work it out. And thats a general point of view from the forums to new eden.Somewhere in this forums they got described as Cannibalistic. But contrary to the OP, I believe the company is to blame for the current situation. As the years passed mmo industry evolved and so did the average gamer.This is reality even if we like it or not. CCP should have taken some decisions that could possibly leave older players with a feeling of unfairness in favour of community growth with fresh pilots. Instead now we got a Fossilised point of view from the majority of the veterans in denial of anything "new". This is a great mmo and every new player can tell, but lets be realistic ,the fun is way 2 far from reach, and although nobody doupts that its certainly there for allot of casuals like myself is unatainable.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1429	Posted - 2015.05.01 00:02:07 - [99] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: This thread is a shameful display of hubris. Please use a thesaurus. I deployed the exact meaning that I desired to. Whilst regurgitating a clich+¬ and now you are wagging your tail and expecting praise for what you have done to the carpet. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Rowdy Gates Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2015.05.01 00:15:56 - [100] - Quote How strange it is that in a place where new players are unwelcome, they actually perceive that.

Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 22667	Posted - 2015.05.01 00:22:34 - [101] - Quote Rowdy Gates wrote: How strange it is that in a place where new players are unwelcome, they actually perceive that. How strangte it is that someone who generalises everyone into the same bucket ... ... actually finds them inside. DOES YELLING ANNOY YOU ? LIKE MY IDEA BELOW AND I WILL REMOVE IT !! Corpses4Drifters CLICK THE LINK !! YOU LIKE THE IDEA !! FOR EVEN MORE PLAYER DRIVEN CONTENT !!
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 22667	Posted - 2015.05.01 00:35:33 - [102] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: You people are truly pathetic. You make a forum thread for like and get likes just to up your counter so it looks like people like you. You destroy null sec by infesting empire with grifer alts because you people don't want to look for fights anymore, u'd rather camp market hubs and then complain on the forums about lack of pvp in null when it's you, the so called null pvpers who are to blame. You constantly slam WoW, even tho it has over 7 million players worldwide and we don't even have 3/4 of a million because EvE is so broke it's a joke. You constantly screw up empire market prices by slamming frieghters non stop and slamming barges for lols non stop. You, the PvP population are single handedly destroying EvE and you have the audacity to come on here and COMPLAIN about ship skins and low numbers online. You use grifer alts to destroy new player corps non stop for then damn lols of it. You're pathetic. Alll the problems with EvE, you have only yourselves to blame I lack the words to explain how much I doubt your ability to actually comprehend what you are talking about. DOES YELLING ANNOY YOU ? LIKE MY IDEA BELOW AND I WILL REMOVE IT !! Corpses4Drifters CLICK THE LINK !! YOU LIKE THE IDEA !! FOR EVEN MORE PLAYER DRIVEN CONTENT !!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1019	Posted - 2015.05.01 01:19:45 - [103] - Quote Constructed problem around a non existing outrage mixed together with WOW and a generic CCP is a business argument.... posted from an NPC alt who is even named genericforumalt... This is such an obvious troll, but looks like people bite really hard today. So you get a 9/10 from me, because you managed to troll with such an obvious mixture. -1 because you forgot to whine about grifers, but maybe that would have been too obvious then.. well... have the 10/10 the Code ALWAYS wins
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1020	Posted - 2015.05.01 01:35:16 - [104] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: You people are truly pathetic. You make a forum thread for like and get likes just to up your counter so it looks like people like you. You destroy null sec by infesting empire with grifer alts because you people don't want to look for fights anymore, u'd rather camp market hubs and then complain on the forums about lack of pvp in null when it's you, the so called null pvpers who are to blame. You constantly slam WoW, even tho it has over 7 million players worldwide and we don't even have 3/4 of a million because EvE is so broke it's a joke. You constantly screw up empire market prices by slamming frieghters non stop and slamming barges for lols non stop. You, the PvP population are single handedly destroying EvE and you have the audacity to come on here and COMPLAIN about ship skins and low numbers online. You use grifer alts to destroy new player corps non stop for then damn lols of it. You're pathetic. Alll the problems with EvE, you have only yourselves to blame Miner! Calm down! Better now? Is everything ok? Look it was just an internet spaceship, no one got hurt. Just get a new one and follow the Code next time. We don't need to change the game because you are bad at it, just learn how to play and everything will be good. If you like solo mmos with endles grind and zero meaning instead, WOW is this way the Code ALWAYS wins
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 150	Posted - 2015.05.01 01:48:31 - [105] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Freya Sertan wrote: Solecist Project wrote: And I almost thought people don't share my viewpoint anymore.... How stupid. ^_^ I had a co-worker tell me once, "We play EvE because it's better than any other game out there and by proxy, we're better as well." I couldn't argue. Quoting for absolute truth. We should do like goons do. Invade other games, create EVE guilds/whatever and just show them who's boss. RvB could do that because you guys have the numbers to do. Go Go Go and do it You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2015.05.01 01:48:43 - [106] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them. In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified. clone costs. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2015.05.01 02:00:18 - [107] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: This thread is a shameful display of hubris. hubris is only shameful for the proletariat. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Rowells ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 2364	Posted - 2015.05.01 02:04:31 - [108] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them. In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified. clone costs. I geuss under that reasoning, fuel blocks would work too.
Clrdark4se Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective 4	Posted - 2015.05.01 02:04:53 - [109] - Quote Freya Sertan wrote: The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face. Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. Agreed. I came to New Eden one day while escaping a horrible "Blizzard" Luckily for me when I arrived I had found good people who showed me the way. When WoW refugees arrive pick out the bad ones and nurture the strong. STOP F'n badgering WoW players and beating down everything that is WoW and instead do what any good EvE player would do.... AWOX Blizzard and bring all their many players here
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2015.05.01 02:04:58 - [110] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Staten Island wrote: Freya Sertan wrote: The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face. Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them. Yeah and since then CCP has been banning bots in masses ... ... ruined the RMT market ... ... introduced MCT which made lots of people reduce their account numbers ... ... banned multiplexing. Considering all of that ... ... they are doing quite well. I still see 30k+ daily. That means for the times when I check ... ... nothing much has changed. Other TZ might differ. It wouldn't matter if PCU dropped to 20k ... ... if that's the daily average. PCU is highly misleading. What matters is the amount of users per hours spread across the day. I dont like MCT or alts, because I feel they cheapen the game, but I do like the banning of multiplex and RMT/bots, and those last two things are enough to make me resub again. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.

Jarod Garamonde Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn 2541	Posted - 2015.05.01 02:19:21 - [111] - Quote GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote: I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point. We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic. CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it. ^this. Every single word of this. As long as the "harsh, brutal universe" and "death matters" aspects stay, expect to see my shining face for a long time. I take breaks every now and then, but I never intend to stay gone for good. I, personally, love it here. Take the good with the bad, adapt to the changes, and give appropriate feedback to the devs. Remember that they have bills to pay. And above all else.... remember that at least they're not selling buffs for cash, like EA. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... `[#savethelance]`
Vector Symian 0 Fear 1053	Posted - 2015.05.01 03:38:58 - [112] - Quote GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote: I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point. We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic. CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it. You my friend have encountered the bittervet plague, welcome to eve resist as long as possible, plus one from me bro good post o7
Otso Bakarti Aliastra Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2015.05.01 04:54:51 - [113] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: This thread is a shameful display of hubris. You'd have been better off admitting you're not really well-versed in this subject than to demonstrate towering arrogance with a specious accusation of hubris. I survived Win95
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2015.05.01 05:12:49 - [114] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote: I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point. We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic. CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it. ^this. Every single word of this. As long as the "harsh, brutal universe" and "death matters" aspects stay, expect to see my shining face for a long time. I take breaks every now and then, but I never intend to stay gone for good. I, personally, love it here. Take the good with the bad, adapt to the changes, and give appropriate feedback to the devs. Remember that they have bills to pay. And above all else.... remember that at least they're not selling buffs for cash, like EA. the thing about ship skins is that it meant something to have a blood raider ship. It was also a large risk to lose one because you have to replace it, but not anymore. further to the point, it is the sandbox of the people who pay for it. withouit customers, the sandbox doesnt exist. claiming otherwise is tantamount to believingi n flying turds. Suppose everyone who hate the WoW floods and you call entitled takes their 15$*x amount of accounts and leaves. I bet the hole they'd create would actually kill EvE. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2015.05.01 06:56:19 - [115] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Kinete Jenius wrote: In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. If people want to act like NPC rats then they'll get treated as such. Quote: The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance. The "victim" has every chance, they have access to the exact same tools and mechanics as the "griefers", that they choose not to use them is their problem. While I disagree with you on the premise that mining laser do not kill enemy ships, and that mining ships are terribly inefficient at pvp, I agree with you to the point that people can fly together, and choose not to. I continue to assert that a lot of the problems of Eve online happen to be through the people being a herd of cats. People don't want to work together. Maybe its irony that people who want to be "the ultimate badass killer" are antisocial even to the point of working together helpfully. Maybe its irony that people who want to mine alone in peace don't get that they need others watching their back to have that peaceful alone time. In the ideal eve, miners buy combat pilots who fly ops to cover a section of lowsec or high sec, these costs then being offset by raising the price of mined ore. Thats one of the problems of industry and miners. They undersell themselves so much they cant afford actual protection. Their profit margins are so low because they lack business sense, that they cant deal with any bumps of sudden necessary expenditures. In the ideal eve, people do work with other players, rather than seeing them as an inconvenience or an obstable to sole play. Why do you play an online multiplayer game to hide in a hole and play it solo? If you want to do that, there's any number of 80's-90's games of SpaceTrader(tm), that dont have a consistent sub cost, are much cheaper for the original product/cd, and achieve the same thing you're doing in this game. Of course, the other part of the problem is people who actively pirate miners, when they usually fly as someone who tries to get paid to fight for other corps in wardecs. Blowing up potential employers gets you jollies in the short run, but cuts you off from long term profits. Without cooperation, even if its just outsourcing a part of your business model, you can't survive in eve, especially as a non-combat. Ironically, as much as people using alts, to farm while they pirate with their main, can be said to be as risk averse as highsec carebears, they still actually do cooperate with others, by being part of some null alliance space where they can farm with their alts, to funnel all their profits to their main in order to fun their pvp adventures in lowsec or null. If you want to mine or play industry games solo, thats fine. I'm not saying "you should go play 90's games" if this game is what thrills you more. You'll just have to accept that as long as you're alone, you're the bottom of the food chain. That's how it would be in a single player dynamic game that responded intelligently to your behavior and activity. A single player game where bots who are smart enough to band together and counter your industrial choices or combat choices would crush you with the weight of so many of them vs one of you. The reason you win at single player games is because the game is designed to let you win. Now you're competing against other living, thinking beings who change and improve their strategies over time, and there's more of them, and they have more buying power than you. You think you're going to go anywhere alone in a game like that? This is not WoW. You can't fly solo and achieve. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2015.05.01 07:53:01 - [116] - Quote If the WoW refugees are a direct response to the skins, the skins actually used to mean something. You bought the ship, it was special. It could blow up, and then you'd lose that skin until you shelled out a lot of isk for another one. It was a symbol of either great wealth or great PvP ability. Now its nothing. Its just like hair dye in WoW. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Gerhard Stringfellow Fisherbody Trading Company 15	Posted - 2015.05.01 12:33:31 - [117] - Quote I enjoy seeing posts complaining about how EvE doesn't hold your hand in threads touting how great EvE is because it doesn't hold your hand. It almost saves me the trouble of telling you to go back to WoW. If you really don't like getting ganked in Hi-sec, join a null corp. Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 22681	Posted - 2015.05.01 12:51:29 - [118] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: You can't fly solo and achieve. Sure you can. Everyone can. Most just aren't capable of doing so. Like all the weaklings in RvB, EVEUNI l, BNI, NullSec, CODE., ... A shitton of nonachievers who are nothing without the group. DOES YELLING ANNOY YOU ? LIKE MY IDEA BELOW AND I WILL REMOVE IT !! Corpses4Drifters CLICK THE LINK !! YOU LIKE THE IDEA !! FOR EVEN MORE PLAYER DRIVEN CONTENT !!
Ma'Baker McCandless The McCandless Clan 97	Posted - 2015.05.01 13:55:42 - [119] - Quote I was going to reply to that tirade of abuse but; 1) I am truly pathetic, apparently. 2) Ramona isn't available to speak in my place.
The Golden Serpent Kokutai 24	Posted - 2015.05.01 14:18:38 - [120] - Quote I think WoW and Eve are both good games...totally different though. The worst part about WoW is the customer service sucks when you need help, it will take 1-3 days. Eve is like, 5 minutes! The title is a little misleading cuz WoW hasn't gone away at all, people always unsub after the expansion gets a little old. I am not playing WoW because their archaeology system is really frustrating, and their PvP requires too much time investment to really enjoy. I feel like I can put 1-2 hours into Factional Warfare in Eve every day and actually get somewhere. I don't know why I got into WoW's archaeology system, probably the "Boring" factor that made me feel relaxed. Eve does "boring" much better though. The name of the server describes it perfectly: Tranquility. Then I joined faction warfare! Also I love the fact that there is time to roleplay during fights, it's not like that in WoW. Cuz you can talk to your enemy over comms while docked or in another part of the solar system. Theres no time for roleplaying in WoW or means to roleplay without losing precious time doing whatever grind you are on. It's just a very different game from WoW, I don't see why they are being compared or why people think WoW people are coming to Eve. Eve is not the kind of game I see most WoW players going for. High fantasy is so different from Sci fi.



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