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Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Bardi MecAuldnis on 06/11/2006 23:19:56 Originally by: Snarls McGee If anyone tries to avenge their corp mate THEY"RE branded as criminals and get Condorked. In fact, anyone that tries to help the victim while the crime is going on get's Condorked. I'm not trying to insult you or anything but the word "Condorked" had me ***ing up at work. If not for the fact that my boss had already left, I might've been in trouble. You seriously made my day. Thank you. Edit: I really can't quote worth a ** --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Zoxia Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Zoxia on 07/11/2006 02:28:52 Originally by: Mar Idoun Originally by: Zoxia Edited by: Zoxia on 05/11/2006 21:00:36 excuse me?? it is defined as PKing btw. You can paint it anyways youd like. when you kill others without them even wanting to fight it is PKING. :) I know you Pkers want to hide behind the pirate tag but sorry guys your PKERS ;) its that simple. Thing is, PKers aren't looked down upon in Eve as in other games. So it's kind of useless to use vernacular from other games to insult people in an game where one of the points that's emphasized is the possibility for unconsenstual PvP to occur. um incorrect again :) PKers are always looked down upon even in EVE if you havent noticed for the most part the only people who dont look down at PK's are the PK's themsleves. Anyhow your lives are going to get harder and harder in the coming days. You might even have to go earn some of that ISK instead of carebearing gates 24/7.
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.07 05:43:00 - [33] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 06/11/2006 17:17:25 clicking yes to the popup that asks "are you sure you want to enter this space because concord will not help you here" = consent, and you can't say anything otherwise. Don't like it don't click it, simple as that. You want to know the ship and stuff of who you fight before you fight "consensual"? Go to empire and get people to open your cargo containers and enter a duel. Also often people don't get kicked out of corp for pirating as much as they get kicked because the corp as a whole doesn't want to be associated with piracy "making many people hostile to them". Considering your friend getting kicked chances are that was reason. Right now my alliance would kick me for that very reason though if there was any hard feelings it would be because of disobeying orders not the actual act. I tend to do piracy-like acts within rules of alliance. "they fire on me first, they're griefing newbies in high-sec space, ect", although I myself think anyone who clicks that pop-up pretty much has given thier consent out. Stuff Even hardcore carebears couldn't find me guilty for that. Where do you get a popup? When you enter low-sec i assume... Is there an option to turn it off somewhere because i've never heard of it? Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Redpants Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Zoxia Edited by: Zoxia on 07/11/2006 02:28:52 Originally by: Mar Idoun Originally by: Zoxia Edited by: Zoxia on 05/11/2006 21:00:36 excuse me?? it is defined as PKing btw. You can paint it anyways youd like. when you kill others without them even wanting to fight it is PKING. :) I know you Pkers want to hide behind the pirate tag but sorry guys your PKERS ;) its that simple. Thing is, PKers aren't looked down upon in Eve as in other games. So it's kind of useless to use vernacular from other games to insult people in an game where one of the points that's emphasized is the possibility for unconsenstual PvP to occur. um incorrect again :) PKers are always looked down upon even in EVE if you havent noticed for the most part the only people who dont look down at PK's are the PK's themsleves. Anyhow your lives are going to get harder and harder in the coming days. You might even have to go earn some of that ISK instead of carebearing gates 24/7. No. They are not looked down upon. If you haven't noticed, EvE by design is unforgiving and cold. The weak and unresourceful do not survive. I have no problem with the pirates and the unconsentual PVPrs and I'm not a pirate, I'm still in the newb corp (but not an EvE newb.) I learned a long time ago where in EvE I could go and where I could not. I learned where I was welcome and where I was not. Despite the fact that CCP created a world where I can roam everywhere, the game being player driven, the players have decided otherwise. I understand that I am not welcome in certain low sec areas and that I am not "allowed" into many 0.0 areas. I will be attacked. The reason for this is acceptable. I have not earned the right to go into those areas. Why should a newer player or carebears just be allowed into the belts and have access to the prime ore and prime rats? The people in those corps out there have fought long and fought hard to be here and it cost them a pretty penny. They've put in the time. So to just fly out where you want to and expect not to be put in your place is unfair to THEM if you ask me. Also PK'ers is not an appropriate term here in this game. Player killing does NOT just apply to pirates and their customers. There are so many shades of what instigates and involves player on player combat that PKing does not apply in the context you mean it in. Please refer to players being killed for what it is here, PVP. If you have a problem with carebear region gate camps in low sec then I suggest you shut your autopilot off, start checking local, and use your scanner to live. Find another route and fly smart. Just in getting caught in most pirating scenerios you've committed a series of mistakes. ________________________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Wanderer Joe	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Snarls McGee I'm sure pirates would love that idea. Then they can feign an uproar when their alt unexpectedly destroys their shuttle for a cool 5 mil.. They wouldn't even lose their implants and still come out ahead. I think there was a nice post outlining the system. CONCORD-sponsored bounties should not be paid in full but rather as fraction of ship insurance (say 80%) + pirate characters (negative sec status) cannot insure their ships.
Zenobite Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Zoxia Edited by: Zoxia on 07/11/2006 02:28:52 Originally by: Mar Idoun Originally by: Zoxia Edited by: Zoxia on 05/11/2006 21:00:36 excuse me?? it is defined as PKing btw. You can paint it anyways youd like. when you kill others without them even wanting to fight it is PKING. :) I know you Pkers want to hide behind the pirate tag but sorry guys your PKERS ;) its that simple. Thing is, PKers aren't looked down upon in Eve as in other games. So it's kind of useless to use vernacular from other games to insult people in an game where one of the points that's emphasized is the possibility for unconsenstual PvP to occur. um incorrect again :) PKers are always looked down upon even in EVE if you havent noticed for the most part the only people who dont look down at PK's are the PK's themsleves. Anyhow your lives are going to get harder and harder in the coming days. You might even have to go earn some of that ISK instead of carebearing gates 24/7. EVE is PVP game, its like calling someone a PKer in counter strike - so I have no idea what you are babbling about. BTW Kali going is to make life easier on me as stabs are getting nerfed.
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:53:00 - [37] Quote: EVE is PVP game, its like calling someone a PKer in counter strike - so I have no idea what you are babbling about. I think most people (except maybe pk's) see a difference between pvpers and pk's. To me, a pvper is someone who enjoys a good fight no matter who wins, although winning is preferable of course. A pk is someone who will do anything (including attacking anyone obviously much weaker, and exploiting game mechanics i.e suicide attacks) to win. I've also found that pk's (in general are the ones who will do as much damage to other players as possible to get their kicks. For example, once a fight is over a pvper will consider it finished with, while if possible in the game a pk will make the loser suffer as much as possible. Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Plaetean on 07/11/2006 12:40:29 Originally by: Wolfways Quote: EVE is PVP game, its like calling someone a PKer in counter strike - so I have no idea what you are babbling about. I think most people (except maybe pk's) see a difference between pvpers and pk's. To me, a pvper is someone who enjoys a good fight no matter who wins, although winning is preferable of course. A pk is someone who will do anything (including attacking anyone obviously much weaker, and exploiting game mechanics i.e suicide attacks) to win. I've also found that pk's (in general are the ones who will do as much damage to other players as possible to get their kicks. For example, once a fight is over a pvper will consider it finished with, while if possible in the game a pk will make the loser suffer as much as possible. Whoever said the quote at the top, so right, it's exactly what I was typing. And wolfways, what you're describing some people would call a griefer, although let's not go into defining a griefer. And to the alt; I would like to know your definition of a 'PKer'. You have to understand that eve is not about just making as much isk as possible, then spending it on stuff to make even more with. This mentality is partly what causes the inflation. Think about that the next time you spend 7 hours whoring missions. What for? Then try going to low sec and fighting someone. Goddam, so many whines and attacks on the pirating community, look at the **** we have to put up with. sigh My views are my own etc etc
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:14:00 - [39] To me a pk and griefer is the same thing. Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Redpants Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:55:00 - [40] I fail to see how a "suicide attack" is an exploit of game mechanics. If you ask me, every engagement is a suicide attack as you should be full well anticipating the loss of your ship, and perhaps even your pod. ________________________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Wolfways Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Redpants I fail to see how a "suicide attack" is an exploit of game mechanics. If you ask me, every engagement is a suicide attack as you should be full well anticipating the loss of your ship, and perhaps even your pod. Simple. In a normal engagement you try to stay alive. In a suicide attack you know you're going to die. You also know that if you destroy the opponents ship you can loot it, even though you died Delusions of invincibility combined with a strong homicidal urge... I have a kick-your-ass fetish
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Redpants I fail to see how a "suicide attack" is an exploit of game mechanics. If you ask me, every engagement is a suicide attack as you should be full well anticipating the loss of your ship, and perhaps even your pod. I agree that suicide attacks aren't exploits (they loose their ships, so where's the exploit), but not every engagement is a suicide attack; if that was the case people would never use faction pimped ships, for example. They understand there is a chance that they might loose their ships, but unlike a suicide attack, it's not completely definite that they will. My views are my own etc etc
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Redpants I fail to see how a "suicide attack" is an exploit of game mechanics. If you ask me, every engagement is a suicide attack as you should be full well anticipating the loss of your ship, and perhaps even your pod. The shady area of 'suicide attacks' isn't the attacking or the suiciding, it is being already being there with a neutral hauler alt to scoop up all the belongings way before the victim has a chance to recover anything because Concord doesn't care about the loot/wreckage even though they just witnessed the crime. Then all the hauler alt has to do is sit inside a station for the timer to run out and the victim can't touch them (legally) anymore. To me it is more a problem with using the letter of the law to defeat the purpose of the law (in this case revenge timers).
Zoxia Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:25:00 - [44] heh on the subject of suicide ganker pks are we?? these are the worst scum of eve btw. they do use tactics that include gnags and/or alts to kill in high sec and steal goods. while its a game tactic it doesnt make it any less carebear in my book. if you like being a carebear pirate thats your choice. Limit Book Marks HERE!!!
Katrina Coreli Vindication Angels	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:12:00 - [45] Id say Kali is a fairly big punishment to pirates..
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:38:00 - [46] Theres enough Darwin in this thread to fill a Freighter

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