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Wrayeth Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.07 02:20:00 - [61] Edited by: Wrayeth on 07/11/2006 02:20:42 Since no one else has brought this up, I'd just like to chime in with my two ISK in regards to the effects Kali will have on solo PvP: namely, that solo PvP will no longer be viable except when ganking something significantly weaker than your own ship. The reason? Increased fight durations. When a fight lasts five minutes, your target's buddies have that much more time to arrive and beat the crap out of you. Sometimes, on rare occasions, this can be a good thing (such as when you outclass all of your opponents put together); usually, however, it means you either have to run (assuming you can get away) or get ganked. Bottom line: solo PvP will be pretty much dead after Kali. This, combined with the effective nerf to Minmatar ships due to the hitpoint changes--as well as the javelin torpedo overnerf--is why my account has been cancelled. Questions? Comments? Stupid tricks? -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven Thanks, CCP. R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.11.07 03:12:00 - [62] Wray can I have some stuff before you leave?
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2006.11.07 05:16:00 - [63] Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 07/11/2006 02:20:42 Entire roll of toilet paper required LOL only a complete idiot would cancel their subscription purely because of an upcoming patch which has not even been finalised, let alone released. Good riddance.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:22:00 - [64] "My opinion of the argument that people should not solo pvp is simple.....it's utter tosh. Discuss." My opinon is that your opinion doesnt matter for jack squat. PvP has many different forms, including solo and group. The problem is that in open formats like EVE ****ers who cannot play will simply travel in packs, blobs, zergs whatever to make up for the fact they can;t play for crap, and actively search for smaller groups and solo people to get risk free wins, while avoiding anything remotely challenging at the same time. AKA weenie pvp. Anyone worth 2 cents wants pvp that at the least has equal numbers to make caliber of play decide the outcome instead of number of friends. PErsonally I like challenging pvp where i goto play good to win, as opposed to mash 1-8 with my 8 friends and hope i get a hit in before my target pops. So i would rather do 1 on 1 and let my skills decide the fight than hump a gate with 10 people poping the odd empire dweller who happens through.
Wrayeth Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:46:00 - [65] Edited by: Wrayeth on 07/11/2006 07:47:15 Originally by: Flesh Eater LOL only a complete idiot would cancel their subscription purely because of an upcoming patch which has not even been finalised, let alone released. Your post says the following about you: 1.) You have never been through a major patch that contained controversial changes (or were so oblivious that you didn't notice). Once a major change hits SiSi, it will make it to TQ, and will do so with only minor tweaks; I have seen exactly one exception to this trend since I joined in June of 2004. 2.) You have not been on SiSi and tested Kali. 3.) Your playstyle does not primarily involve solo and very small gang PvP. 4.) You have never flown an AC tempest in solo engagements against other competent battleship pilots. Due to your utter and complete lack of qualifications (and intelligence, for that matter), do yourself a favor and leave the thread before you make yourself appear even more of a moron. The preceding flame has been brought to you by my utter and complete contempt for the quoted poster. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven Thanks, CCP. R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Wrayeth More of the sloppy stuff Here's some more toilet paper for your mouth...looks like you missed a bit.
Wrayeth Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:56:00 - [67] Edited by: Wrayeth on 07/11/2006 07:56:46 Originally by: Flesh Eater Originally by: Wrayeth More of the sloppy stuff Here's some more toilet paper for your mouth...looks like you missed a bit. A.) You're a tool. B.) You're a tool. C.) You obviously have no way to refute my actual statements and thus felt the need to post complete nonsense. As a result, D.) You're still a tool. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven Thanks, CCP. R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.
Felix Dzerzhinsky	Posted - 2006.11.07 08:23:00 - [68] Originally by: Flesh Eater Originally by: Wrayeth More of the sloppy stuff Here's some more toilet paper for your mouth...looks like you missed a bit. Use your head because I think you left it somewhere. People have a lot to worry about, and for good reason. These changes are very substantial - my personal gripe is not with the awful state of Amarr ships, or the unnessiary nurf to T2 Ammo, or the T2 lottery system, or with the HP increace or with the fact that this game is turning into 'caldari-online' - these are all issues, but add them and you have a massive problem. My persoanl gripe is with the warp to 0kms. . .Now one should be able to warp within 15kms of a warp-gate. thats how it used to be, and thats where the ggate camping culture evolved from (but you were not playing yet, so you don't know). Then BMs were exploited to make instas, the Devs were worried but it helped the economy by moving things faster. Now warp to 0 is implemented to gget rid of BMs, not so that solo traders (so you can move ggoods solo but you can't fight solo?) can move there goods. . . So everything above 0.1 becomes 'empire space' in the true sense of the word, while 0.0 border regions will become even worse. But thats my personal gripe, the worst idea yet. So please, stop acting like the people on the WoW forums who tell people to either accept the ****ty game (don't be critical) or leave. and when they get fed up, for legitimate reasons, people like you say 'good riddance'. . . which makes you a tool.
St3v3sancho The Roughneck's	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:09:00 - [69] I recently decided to dabble in a bit of low sec piracy. I have literally flown around for perhaps 10 hours in total around the Khanid region without being able to pick ONE fight. Sure I could have gate camped but that is sooo boring and unrewarding for me personally. Everything has to have a risk vs reward balance and at the moment there is NO reward worth risking your ship for in low sec. In turn no-one goes there and solo PvP is difficult to achieve. I've even sat at asteroid belts killing NPS's wating for pirates to come to me and have failed. It's a self destructive system. No-one goes into low sec, no pirates go into low sec, no-one goes into low sec. The ONLY solution is for CCP to incentivise players to go into low sec somehow with something they would risk being j7umped for. Everyone wins.
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:51:00 - [70] What you guys need is THUNDERDOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes you can pvp only those that wish to pvp and ONLY 1 on 1!

ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2006.11.07 11:52:00 - [71] Originally by: Flesh Eater Originally by: Wrayeth Edited by: Wrayeth on 07/11/2006 02:20:42 Entire roll of toilet paper required LOL only a complete idiot would cancel their subscription purely because of an upcoming patch which has not even been finalised, let alone released. Good riddance. dude..this forum is looking more Soe like as the days go by. people saying they are leaving cuase of a patch not released yet. whine threads about stupid stuff ....wheres zatozia???
Katamarino Blazing Angels Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 12:10:00 - [72] Eve is an incredibly flexible game. You should PvP solo, or in a group, depending on what you feel like doing. The end!
Triss S'Jet Gallente MC Cubed Inc Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:18:00 - [73] Solution to all PvP problems? NERF LOCAL! It's that easy.
Dragonis Mendez Total Disillusion	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:53:00 - [74] Edited by: Dragonis Mendez on 07/11/2006 13:53:55 Originally by: Triss S'Jet Solution to all PvP problems? NERF LOCAL! It's that easy. Hmmmm true I made a post with an idea..short summery: keep local but only display the ppl if you have a POS in the system with a module online (system scanning array or sth)....So you have an advantage if this is your system...and in lowsec most ppl traveling through dont see ppl in local...that would be great for pirates/solo PvPer and improve PvP in general link to the post in "Features and Ideas Discussion"-Forum http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=416219 this is my idea to help solo PvP and pirates a little bit and also improve the combat in your homelands
LC Sulla BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:54:00 - [75] Edited by: LC Sulla on 07/11/2006 13:55:12 Originally by: Triss S'Jet Solution to all PvP problems? NERF LOCAL! It's that easy. Trying to be open minded I'm a little confused by how this could work. If you removed local and I was ratting then I would not know who's in the system. Means a lot of spamming the scan button. This bit I can understand. It's from the pirates point of view I find more tricky. As a pirate you wouldn't know who's in system (and many 0.0 systems don't always have people in them). You would have to warp to every planet (in a reasonably sized system) and scan for ships on the basic scanner. This would waste a LOT of time because you would mostly be scanning empty systems (and a careful pilot ratting in a belt would be scanning the system too). If detected they would be ss'ed or leave system and you wouldn't know they had left. On the surface of it seems like a nightmare for pirates (imo).
Dragonis Mendez Total Disillusion	Posted - 2006.11.07 14:00:00 - [76] Originally by: LC Sulla Edited by: LC Sulla on 07/11/2006 13:55:12 Originally by: Triss S'Jet Solution to all PvP problems? NERF LOCAL! It's that easy. Trying to be open minded I'm a little confused by how this could work. If you removed local and I was ratting then I would not know who's in the system. Means a lot of spamming the scan button. This bit I can understand. It's from the pirates point of view I find more tricky. As a pirate you wouldn't know who's in system (and many 0.0 systems don't always have people in them). You would have to warp to every planet (in a reasonably sized system) and scan for ships on the basic scanner. This would waste a LOT of time because you would mostly be scanning empty systems (and a careful pilot ratting in a belt would be scanning the system too). If detected they would be ss'ed or leave system and you wouldn't know they had left. On the surface of it seems like a nightmare for pirates (imo). You can fly in the belts with a covops for example and a little gang outside of scanrange waits for the warpinpoint...its too late to warp out if you see sb on scanner 2-3 sec before he arrives... In my eys its not ok that local shows cloaked ships etc.. or let local only show the pilots currently in the scanrange of your ship...so you dont need to hit "scan" every 2 seconds but showing all pilots in the large system cloaked or uncloaked docked or undocked is hmmmm...not what I understand under fair conditions ;) not for pirates and not for gangs flying through enemy territory
Triss S'Jet Gallente MC Cubed Inc Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 14:07:00 - [77] Originally by: LC Sulla Edited by: LC Sulla on 07/11/2006 13:55:12 Originally by: Triss S'Jet Solution to all PvP problems? NERF LOCAL! It's that easy. Trying to be open minded I'm a little confused by how this could work. If you removed local and I was ratting then I would not know who's in the system. Means a lot of spamming the scan button. This bit I can understand. It's from the pirates point of view I find more tricky. As a pirate you wouldn't know who's in system (and many 0.0 systems don't always have people in them). You would have to warp to every planet (in a reasonably sized system) and scan for ships on the basic scanner. This would waste a LOT of time because you would mostly be scanning empty systems (and a careful pilot ratting in a belt would be scanning the system too). If detected they would be ss'ed or leave system and you wouldn't know they had left. On the surface of it seems like a nightmare for pirates (imo). Scanning will be faster and easier, with all the new features and scan probes coming with Kali. You can also always check the map, and see how many active pilots where active during last 30 minutes in any given system, so it's pretty easy to estimate your chances of finding someone there.
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.07 14:13:00 - [78] if you wanna get fights go invade a region and go behind enemy lines and i am sure you will find some lone travlers who are kitted to fight
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:55:00 - [79] I tried solo PVP in low sec yesterday. I got all excited when a Rupture jumped into the belt and locked. I got even more excited when I had it down to half amour and my Rax still had half its shields. Then his buddies in the Brutix and the Rook showed up. After that everything got red and flashy and I had to get another clone. Solo PVP makes ship builders happy. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:08:00 - [80] Originally by: St3v3sancho I recently decided to dabble in a bit of low sec piracy. I have literally flown around for perhaps 10 hours in total around the Khanid region without being able to pick ONE fight. Sure I could have gate camped but that is sooo boring and unrewarding for me personally. Everything has to have a risk vs reward balance and at the moment there is NO reward worth risking your ship for in low sec. In turn no-one goes there and solo PvP is difficult to achieve. I've even sat at asteroid belts killing NPS's wating for pirates to come to me and have failed. It's a self destructive system. No-one goes into low sec, no pirates go into low sec, no-one goes into low sec. The ONLY solution is for CCP to incentivise players to go into low sec somehow with something they would risk being j7umped for. Everyone wins. QFT. As an example... last night I went to a low sec system. There were only 4 players there (including myself). The .6 system right next to it had over 50 people. Ships/mods are too expensive for people to risk it all for a slight increase in reward. The low sec rewards (ie. ore and rats) need to be increased dramatically, or rather high sec rewards decreased. Perhaps increase taxes in high sec systems. Oh yeah, and nerf local. Local should be an optional channel. If you join it, the others in the channel can see you... otherwise you should be invisible.

Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 06/11/2006 02:43:13 A few people have said this a few times in different areas on these and forums in the past, and it gets me worked up every time. My opinion of the argument that people should not solo pvp is simple.....it's utter tosh. Discuss. Like Dark Shakari said, it's pretty hard to do solo pvp anywhere unless you are alone and happen upon someone who is ratting and not paying attention to local etc. I think it would be cool if you could do some solo pvp but the only time I have seen it happen was where someone invited someone else for 1vs1. And then there's the offchance that someone would not honor it (someone in my alliance didn't honor a 1vs1 and I was ****ed that he didn't keep his word) thus spoiling the fun. On the other hand Christopher I have seen you in very small gangs roaming around but don't think I saw you solo
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:07:00 - [82] "My persoanl gripe is with the warp to 0kms. . .Now one should be able to warp within 15kms of a warp-gate. thats how it used to be, and thats where the ggate camping culture evolved from (but you were not playing yet, so you don't know). Then BMs were exploited to make instas, the Devs were worried but it helped the economy by moving things faster. Now warp to 0 is implemented to gget rid of BMs, not so that solo traders (so you can move ggoods solo but you can't fight solo?) can move there goods. . . So everything above 0.1 becomes 'empire space' in the true sense of the word, while 0.0 border regions will become even worse." Har Har, seeing your mister wise old been around for so long then you would have known originally you could warp to 3km ( maybe you weren;t playing yet so you don't know....CCP backed it up to 15km hoping to spur more PVP, but instead created this lame gate camping culture we have now that is essentially spawn camping, not to mention they didnt for see the fact people would just make bookmarks to accomplish the exact same thing being warp to 0km. The only people who whine about warp to 0km are weenies who got off ganking noobies and mission runners who didnt know to use bookmarks or were too lazy to use them. It was a terrible game mehcanic that stratified players by simply those who went through all the nonsense to deal with their bookmarks and those who didnt want to be bothered. So 0km really changes nothing, beyond the fact that nolonger will people that have bookmarks get a huge advantage in safety over those who do not, and people who like to gank noobs without them will now have a tougher time ganking noobs... Which is a trivial change at best imho. You want pvp you should be looking to find other people who want pvp instead of ganking helpless targets, as your only and main source of pvp.
Wrayeth Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:17:00 - [83] Originally by: ShardowRhino dude..this forum is looking more Soe like as the days go by. people saying they are leaving cuase of a patch not released yet. This is all too true, unfortunately. Right now, I feel like I did when I was playing SWG and Commando got nerfed into uselessness in PvP, or when I was a Pistoleer and uber armor came out and ****** the ability of a Pistoleer to win a PvP fight, or when...well, you get the idea. I quit SWG because they destroyed my chosen professions one after another, and I eventually realized how pointless it was when anything you try will become useless over time. Now I feel that the same thing is happening with EVE. The sensation is all too familiar and, I fear, will result in a permanent cancellation, not just a short break. I'd really, really love to keep playing, but the changes screw both my playstyle (solo and very small gang combat) and my chosen ships (the AC tempest and torp raven). -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" R.I.P. AC tempest R.I.P. Torp raven Thanks, CCP. R.I.P. My account, after the next cycle.


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