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feroci0us
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Posted - 2003.11.10 20:03:00 -
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agent, if theres one thing that i'd like back, its the corpses that we have collected over the months, if those werent hard work, i dont know what were, there were aproximately 100+, how much would it cost me to get them back:)
** Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance **
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Solwolf
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Posted - 2003.11.10 20:11:00 -
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I can assure you we had no involvment in this theft!
Neumania,
I believe you, thank you for responding officially.
Since Techell and AF Holdings have both been burned in similar fashion, I propose that our corporations and affiliations take no aggressive action towards each other over these incidents. I hope that someday we may be on friendly terms again.
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Solwolf
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Posted - 2003.11.10 20:42:00 -
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Sorry Fero, that doesn't wash. What we did was in game, and that is where it should stay; period.
We did not destroy the works of a 50 man corp, we took 'some' stuff of a corp who has at the most about 15 real players. The rest are a lot of alts, multiple accounts, etc...
Keep the game content within game, leave our real lives out of the game play.
Agent,
I actually agree with you that any retaliation against you should remain in-game. That's provided that none of what you stole ends up being sold on ebay. If it ends up on ebay, then you should be banned from the game. You could probably make several thousand dollars from that stuff in real life I bet.
I also think that CCP should create better methods to control this type of thing. Serial numbers for items so that they could be tracked just as in real life might help. Also some in game method for people to change the security status of other players. Some kind of warning system might be helpful there. I'm definitely not going to recommend this game to any of my friends until it changes.
It really doesn't matter that we have 15 active guys or 35. You destroyed the work and hurt people that had been playing this game since the beginning. To attempt to minimize what you did by stating that you merely stole a few hundred million is a joke. It was far more than that. None of these people did a thing to hurt you too. We were even talking of making you the next corporation President. You did not bring this up at our weekly corporate meeting like you claim. You're nothing more than a Benedict Arnold.
As far as quiting, you don't have to quit. However, you might as well become pirates, because your reputations from now on stink. I'm not even sure if the pirate corporations would trust you since your acts were so traitorous. No one will be able to trust you. I suppose you can just be crew of two pirates.
Frankly, I hope that you are not so cold and callous in your personal life.
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Solwolf
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Posted - 2003.11.10 20:54:00 -
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AF Holding Members, Allies and Friends,
I respectfully request that the Corporation Crew of Two be repeatedly attacked until the fires of Hades freeze over! This especially includes the criminals Agent Shield, Parthon and CrazyAce. Further I request that any corporation that harbors these criminal be attacked with equal fervor.
Any ally or friend that conducts attacks against these fugitives may expect our support in a similar manner.
I thank everyone who has denounced these traitors! For those who condone what they have done, you shall not be forgotten either.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:04:00 -
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You are so full of it Agent. You say you never planed this. Bull. Now that we had time to think and analyze your actions, you and Prthon were trying to get to the hangers for months. Parth kept saying how good of a producer and salesman you are and that you are getting board. We made you our productions person and sky was the limit for you in our corp. But you and Parth had this plan from the beginning and donÆt think that we are fools enough to fall for any more of your lies. I think you miscounted the response you were going to get and now this game will not be a lot of fun for you any more. Still have no guts to respond? You know what thatÆs called and it suits you. You know, the thing thatÆs between your wifeÆs legs. But IÆll just call you a coward.
The truth will set you free
* Proud to be ATUK * |
Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:04:00 -
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I praise you for stealing from the FA. w0ot!!!
Now they get what they deserve.......
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:25:00 -
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agent, if theres one thing that i'd like back, its the corpses that we have collected over the months, if those werent hard work, i dont know what were, there were aproximately 100+, how much would it cost me to get them back:)
Yes Fero, you have a point here. We dealt you a blow, but Parthon and I don't believe we should keep the corpses. Isk, BPCs, Mods, etc... can all be replaced; the corpses for which you have killed cannot be replaced.
As you may have guessed, our going forward plans are in the making now and take most of our time, so give me a couple of days and I will get a hold of you. I will do a Trade Screen with you and give you those corpses back. We are in Stacmon (Empire space), so you can either come up and get them, or send someone.
You see, we are not very good crooks.  I would think most would not return anything, but I think you make a valid point that you and AF do deserve to get those corpses back since really they are your trophies. While they are assets, they are your history in Eve and some of those bodies may not be available again.
So yes, we will return those and you do not have to pay to get them back. I only ask that you come get them, you know I am not going to drive down to Fountain any time soon. 
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:35:00 -
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Sol, We are not selling our stuff on e-bay; so please drop yet another rumor.
We are who we are, and are still going to play the game. We haven't quit, we haven't created alts, we haven't sold on e-bay, we haven't etc.....
I also believe that if there is no way to hunt/punish someone who commits such crimes, there will be less and less corps granting access to anyone in the future. It would just be too risky. You had no clue we were going to steal, hell, even we didn't know; so providing trust with hangars will be guarded real close in the future I think.
Sorry if you believe there was 5 billion in assets, it is just not so. I don't try to minimize what was taken, but let's be realistic here. If the corp really had 5 billion in assets (BPCs?), then it was a wasted asset to be sitting in the hangar.
Sol, I did bring it up at a meeting; ask Fero.
We don't have to become pirates because of this action. We can still cruise around Eve wheeling and dealing if we want to. I don't care what people may write in this forum to not do business with us, if I have XYZ module for less than someone else, they are probably going to buy it. If someone has XYZ module that I want and am willing to pay for it, then people are going to sell it.
Lastly Sol, I am not this cold and callous in real life, but that doesn't matter here. This is a game and I can play it with whatever role I want to at any time. That's the beauty, it is a game!
Agent Shield |
Metal Dude
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:40:00 -
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Nothing to say to me again? Scumbag.
The truth will set you free
* Proud to be ATUK * |
Falzone
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:42:00 -
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Good Job Agent shield and your mate. I'm sure you guys hate me too and thats ok but i'm glad af holdings took a hit of 500 mil. After the theft i contacted fericious to tell him about ss vegitos backstabbing me and stealing some of my stolen loot he just laughed for the most part and said he thought it was ok to steal from a thief. Ibet hes regretting not punishing vegito now. Btw do you guys have any good loot from af holdings hangars left if so contact me i will buy some
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Agent Shield
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:45:00 -
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You are so full of it Agent. You say you never planed this. Bull. Now that we had time to think and analyze your actions, you and Prthon were trying to get to the hangers for months. Parth kept saying how good of a producer and salesman you are and that you are getting board. We made you our productions person and sky was the limit for you in our corp. But you and Parth had this plan from the beginning and donÆt think that we are fools enough to fall for any more of your lies. I think you miscounted the response you were going to get and now this game will not be a lot of fun for you any more. Still have no guts to respond? You know what thatÆs called and it suits you. You know, the thing thatÆs between your wifeÆs legs. But IÆll just call you a coward.
It is because of these type of posts by you that I do not reply. I will make an exception to this post, as the rumors need to stop.
We never planned this. There was no grand scheme to join AF, get access to everything, then steal it all, then post to the world we did it, etc.... Get this out of your head.
We joined. I was made mfg guy or something like that, but we already had players with alts who were REF5/EFF5; so me doing anything regarding refining should be left to those with a higher skill than my REF5/EFF4. It is pure logic to let a higher skilled player refine and reprocess. I also stated that my PE was only at lvl4 and again we had alt players who had lvl5; so they should be the ones who manufacture. This left me kind of wondering what to do next. Well, I also have very good research compared to the rest of the players (and I assume the alts of others) so I volunteered to research as I think it would benefit having researched prints,and was hoping that tech ii would take advantage of well researched prints. It was asked for only a couple of weeks ago before I got pneumonia and was off play for a week or so.
REPEAT: THERE WAS NO GRAND SCHEME TO PULL THIS OFF AND IT WAS NOT PLANNED FOR MONTHS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN
It is not that I don't have the guts to respond to you, it is just your immature attitude that has made me not want to respond to your posts.
You know what that's called and it suits you. You know, the best part of you that ran down your momma's leg. But I'll just call you a dimwit instead to be nice.
Agent Shield |
Metal Dude
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Posted - 2003.11.10 21:56:00 -
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Good. I'll see you in space. And you better hope that I don't run in to you in a bar.
The truth will set you free
* Proud to be ATUK * |
Vortigern
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Posted - 2003.11.10 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vortigern on 10/11/2003 22:06:52
Do I condone thievery no, but and it is a big but, these guys have done the crime and using their main cvharacters confessed and are prepared to live with the consequences.
Were they right, who knows, it is a shame if the actions of the CEO have had repercussions on other members of the corp, but Vegito's had a far bigger impact on Techell.
As for some of the comments here lame very lame...
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Good. I'll see you in space. And you better hope that I don't run in to you in a bar.
WHat sort of bar would that be a virtual one!! and would it be handags at 30 paces!!
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2003.11.10 22:24:00 -
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I have no idea who or where he is, so I will never run in to him. My point is that if heÆs going to steal from someone in a bar, heÆll get punched in the face. ThatÆs all. And if you donÆt condone stealing, then donÆt stick up for a thief, Vortigen.
The truth will set you free
* Proud to be ATUK * |
Shock
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Posted - 2003.11.10 22:46:00 -
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Hmm I haven't seen much Techell response here...
I myself haven't played a while now, I think CCP has to patch some major leaks first.
And corp thieves being one of them. Falzone kinda tries to makes his corptheft an RP move (besides which he was just plain bored) the problem imho is that the game just doesn't have the mechanics for proper RP corptheft.
No CONCORD response, no bounty, no insurance nothing...
Besides it's just too easy.
And things like these easily **** people off to the brink of quitting. Just another proof those monkeys at CCP are thinking with the wrong anatomical parts.
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Solwolf
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Posted - 2003.11.10 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Solwolf on 10/11/2003 22:54:15
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Sol, We are not selling our stuff on e-bay; so please drop yet another rumor.
What rumors am I spreading exactly?
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Vortigern
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Posted - 2003.11.11 00:05:00 -
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Metal,
Thanks for clearing that up....if there is one thing that grips my ****, it is mixing RL with game play.
Anyway, am I fan of these 2 ......no, but they have balls for coming on here and admitting it with their mains.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2003.11.11 02:26:00 -
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Get some new people to admire, Vortigern. These two are not worth it. This is just a game, but it defies your character, so if you admire thieves, take a trip to any state jail and I'm sure there's a lot of heroes there for you. If anyone did this in real life, they would be locked up for years. They are not heroes, just because they admit it. ***** announces his crimes also, but is he a hero? Yes he is. To the terrorists. I hope you don't support that.
The truth will set you free
* Proud to be ATUK * |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.11.11 14:17:00 -
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Define irony: Jessica Logan talking about others being childish.
 Do you want my to bring up a log of a certain Amarr Channel Session? Whinning and crying because someone asked you to leave?
Be quiet.
Considering I was only kicked due to personal bias from one of the Operators, I feel my "whining" (I acted with considerably more restraint than the so called Operator, funnily enough) was justified.
;)
No, why should I be quiet? If anything, Agent Shield has been the most mature poster in this Thread so far.
I never said anything about my own maturity, making attacks in that area somewhat ineffective.
You showed how mature you are that day. Wheya rped her role in a harsh way you weren't the first nor the last that was kicked by her. Yet you are the only one who claimed it was personal bias and came back whinning like a baby.
Now considering how you reacted then ... to a simple kick, imagine how you would react had your corporation lost 500mil and various bpcs and modules...
Yet you still patronize other people for being childish.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.11.11 14:18:00 -
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Oh btw Jessica... How mature is Agent Shield when he states he despises thievery and then commits this act?
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Van Cleef
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Posted - 2003.11.11 15:10:00 -
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If he was to be the next president then he really jumped the gun if he planned to steal these items all along....
Whatever the case, these actions didnt hurt the CEO, they hurt the group. If you "beef" was with the group well then you succeded, if it was with the CEO, you caused alot of unneccessary grief.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2003.11.11 16:05:00 -
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On another note: Corp thievery is taking on some really unacceptable forms, as the theaves sell their recently aquired assets for IRL money.... Do a search on one of the larger auction sites, and you'll find a "1 billion isk" sell on ebay and things like that....
CCP should think of a way to prevent this, or even making it punishable by RL law (as it already is actually, but even more so)
And indeed, if the crew of two is so against corp thievery, they should at least share some of their assets with Techell.
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.11.11 17:09:00 -
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You showed how mature you are that day. Wheya rped her role in a harsh way you weren't the first nor the last that was kicked by her. Yet you are the only one who claimed it was personal bias and came back whinning like a baby.
Now considering how you reacted then ... to a simple kick, imagine how you would react had your corporation lost 500mil and various bpcs and modules...
Wheya wasn't Roleplaying in the slightest, she made comments regarding my OOC persona, as well as ignoring any requests for clarification _in an OOC sense_.
Screeching "no inferior races" when OOC and only going IC when it suited her was ****-poor form, if you ask me.
Anyway, I'd quite like to see this chatlog where I was "whining like a baby".
Oh, Agent Shield is the most mature person here because he isn't screaming and ranting while making all sorts of threats (Or egotistical comments to pump up his own ego).
Finally, as I said earlier, I made no comment about my own maturity so that "attack" was, again, pathetically weak.
^.~
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:12:00 -
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Hmm, some ASZWHOLE keeps deleting my post.
Trying again.
Sounds like this is where the stolen money went!
EVE ONLINE - 1 Billion ISK - R/B Prot - N/R
This is a divided ISK auction from a In-game corp sell off! ;) Over the coming days I will be selling over 3.2 Billion ISK online to the highest bidders.... Starting with this auction.
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Solwolf
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Solwolf on 11/11/2003 18:27:20
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Oh, Agent Shield is the most mature person here because he isn't screaming and ranting while making all sorts of threats (Or egotistical comments to pump up his own ego).
Jessica,
Thank you for your opinion.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:54:00 -
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Corp theft is more fun than roleplay.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Rockjaw
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Posted - 2003.11.11 19:39:00 -
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You know what that's called and it suits you. You know, the best part of you that ran down your momma's leg. But I'll just call you a dimwit instead to be nice.
Oh yes, we must all thank Agent for his example of maturity. Get real Jessica.
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Neumania
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Posted - 2003.11.11 20:09:00 -
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I believe you, thank you for responding officially.
Thank you Solwolf!
Dont let incidents like this destroy you! Techell wishes you and your corporation good luck. May the future be much brighter for you guys.
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feroci0us
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Posted - 2003.11.11 20:33:00 -
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Dont let incidents like this destroy you! Techell wishes you and your corporation good luck. May the future be much brighter for you guys.
i thank you for your kind words neumania, perhaps we shall trade again in the future, once we get back on our feet.
** Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance **
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.11.11 21:26:00 -
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I don't know why but I kind of believe Agent Shield to an extent. HOWEVER; I don't condone what he did. If there were 15 members or 35 members active in that corp and 200mil or 5bil worth of stuff, the fact remains that you destroyed MONTHS of hard work which is worth billions to many.
Agent,
You may not agree with what I am about to say. You may not understand it at the moment. But I as a director of "a" corp ask you to return the goods you stole. Your robin hooded ideals may make a great story but giving this Loot to noobs doesn't make the it right.
You come out the better of the two sides. You come out with respect that you have obviously lost here. You might be able to recover from this as AF will but you will be selling the hard worked time of your old m8s. Listen to your old CEO and you might sense a bit of aggrivation in his voice not at the fact of the theft but in the lack of communication you had with him while in the corp.
Running a big corp and a corp in a sizable alliance is no easy task. If you both have children you should both understand that. You don't mix RL and Game together I know... but your character is an extension of your real persona... choose which area of your true self you want to reveal to the EVE universe. Give the stuff back and show people how the game is really played.
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