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Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:17:00 - [1] Per that picture and name to the left, I am Agent Shield. I have been playing since Day 3 and for the most part have just been with my partner (Parthon) cruising Eve in search of personal wealth. Notice that our corp name is Crew of Two. We joined AF Holdings about 2 months ago as the leader (Ferocious) seemed like a nice guy and we were looking to move to a group game and we wanted the comraderie of a group. Everything was fine until the Techell Thief thread came about. I don't actually condone the thievery of someone's work, so when I learned that one of AF Holdings members (SS Vegito) was the 'instigator' to push Falzone to steal from his corp; it just didn't sit well with me. I have done many dealings with Techell and they have always been more than fair with us in our trades and ship building needs. To see someone steal from them is one thing, but to see a fellow corp member involved, this was too much. Now SS Vegito may have been the thief's accomplice, but our CEO (Ferocious) has allowed this now thief to remain amongst us. It is as if the CEO has condoned what has happened. This puts the message out that it is okay for you to steal from someone. I can't deal with this kind of behaviour. This crime committed has now made me uncomfortable in going near Techell for current/future dealings as I don't know if they will want to take reprisal against me for something another member had done. So last night I talked to my partner and we decided to take all of our personal belongs from Fountain and move them back to our old digs in Empire space. We have decided to leave AF Holdings and their attitude, and go back to the Crew of Two where we were just friendly guys wheeling and dealing across the galaxy. Once that move was completed, we also discussed sticking it to our CEO who has allowed a criminal to stay amongst us, and decided to steal their stuff. AF Holdings is now out 500 Million Isk, hangars wiped clean, all blueprints in my possession, and left AF Holdings literally empty in Fountain. Now there is still another base with some minor BPs and some low grade minerals, but I had accomplished my goal of taking them down a notch for embracing corp thieves by doing it to them. My partner (Parthon) and I have considered this move a retaliation for what a fellow corp member did to Techell. We like Techell, we think what was done to them is wrong, and we will not stay in a corp who condones this activity. And to top of it off, we gave AF Holdings and it's CEO a taste of what it feels like to lose a bunch of stuff to a thief. Yes, some will call us thiefs now, but we hope that you still accept us in the community and continue to do business with Crew of Two. If you do not, then that is fine. We are not pirates, merely two guys cruising through Eve, but we will understand if there are some of you who don't condone it no matter if it was retaliation and/or revenge for another. We feel good for what we did, we are not sorry we did it, and we did it because we think it was the right thing to do. To Datsevlu, we took a blow to a corp who was harboring a fugitive who helped steal from you; and we hope our blow to his corp might be enough to where you will still continue to do business with 2 guys who have always had good relations with you. Please Eve-mail me in game if we are free to conduct business with you again. To those in AF Holdings, during your next meeting, you might want to discuss security and who you let have access to hangars and wallet. You were fine with me until thievery became an acceptable practice in the CEO's eyes. Know your leader, know your fellow members, and know what your morals are and how you will proceed into the future. Agent Shield
EvilEric	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:21:00 - [2] What do two wrongs make?
Falhofnir	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:21:00 - [3] 0.02 cents excuse.
Cliff Yablonski	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:25:00 - [4] Most original corp theft ever
Beringe	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:29:00 - [5] So you decided to steal from your corp because your CEO condoled corporate theft? The mind boggles. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Ch'ryl	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:30:00 - [6] Quote: What do two wrongs make? I agree. By leaving the corp you made a statement against corp thieves and stood by your principles. By stealing their stuff you brought yourself down to the same level and therefore lose any respect that was due for standing by your principles in the first place Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure?
SUNchaser	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:30:00 - [7] Maybe to complete you "Robinhood" act of retaliation consider giving these ill gotten gains to Techell.
Skokeh	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:32:00 - [8] Quote: Maybe to complete you "Robinhood" act of retaliation consider giving these ill gotten gains to Techell. thats crazy... can i have ur stuff?
Orcus	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:33:00 - [9] Edited by: Orcus on 07/11/2003 15:34:11 Quote: What do two wrongs make? a left?
Varia	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Varia on 07/11/2003 15:35:17 If you really want to make an honest statement, give the millions of bps youÆve stolen back to Techell. Otherwise your effectively the same as the original thief. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Amin	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:37:00 - [11] Regardless of how u justify it, u have still brought a corp to its knee's through thievery. Put it this way, you say that your ceo was sopportive of the Techell thief, but its not proven, its your opinion. What is fact that you have stolen. And be honest now, you expect ppl to accept what u did? Also, why would Techell want to deal with a pair of corp thieves? Im sure they've had enough of them for a long tme. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:38:00 - [12] Why an excuse for a perfectly legitimate buisness? Keep on flaming, lamers.
John Zeppe	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:39:00 - [13] Let me get this straight... You think corp thieves are so stupid, that you left a corporation because your CEO let a semi-thief stay in the corp. Then, you rob the corp clean of billions of ISK and think you did the right thing? I hope I'm not right.
Lliad	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Lliad on 07/11/2003 15:41:28 Stop talking crap stand up like a man and say we are theifs. Dont talk crap. Just because the CEO didnt act you rip off 50 ppls collective work. Ohh that one works.
Beringe	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:42:00 - [15] Just once, I'd like to see a corporate thief cave in to guilt and give the stuff back. But then, I'm an optimist. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:44:00 - [16] your a disgrace
Angelsfist	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:47:00 - [17] Totally LAME ! Your kidding yourself, if you believe you did your theft for any other motivation other than personal GREED.
Gaheris	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:50:00 - [18] a thief who steals for thier supposed 'cause' is nonetheless, still a thief.
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.11.07 15:56:00 - [19] Any hints on what empire space systems that would be...?
ZzeusS	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:20:00 - [20] Shield, you still have no honor. If you would have just walked away then you could have made a better personal stance on the issue.. if everyone retaliates by stealing when trusted, then no one will trust anyone, and the game suffers. Since you 'stuck it' to the stealing CEO, he's going to 'stick it' to some other Techell patsy once he finds them, or will 'stick it' to some other corp, because someone 'stuck it' to him. In short, you are telling everyone to never trust you or your partner ever again.
Bane Sellante	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:22:00 - [21] I can perhaps agree with this if you took the stuff to give a shock to them and then gave it back. But if you have taken it and kept it then you are nothing but low down gutter licking scum. ----------------------- Cold Fusion Inc. Website
Indigo Seqi	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:28:00 - [22] Haha you're even more of a hypocrite than Jade!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:38:00 - [23] And aside from bashing me for condemning a bunch of slack-jawed numpty pirate wannabes who were too scared to fight in the FA/VA war but brave enough to "forum-warrior" side with Ragnar in the aftermath Indigo ... did you have another point? But seriously the mind boggles; with this current wave of corp-crushing megathefts and the raise of psychotic spacial anonmaly-causing pirate alliances in the northern regions .... eve is undergoing a massive upheaval. I think the status quo is taking a kicking JF Public Forum
shakaZ XIV	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:43:00 - [24] Quote: Let me get this straight... You think corp thieves are so stupid, that you left a corporation because your CEO let a semi-thief stay in the corp. Then, you rob the corp clean of billions of ISK and think you did the right thing? I hope I'm not right. looks to me like he just wanted an excuse, so he could at least TRY to appear as the good guy. lol as if.. So just cause 1 member encouraged falzone (i think?) to steal from techell, you screw over loads of people that had nothing to do with it, is that right? At least drop the hypocrisy and just admit you did it for the cash in the first place. Im guessing you are not an alt either, so good luck ever joining another corp...
Stepping Razor	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:45:00 - [25] Find me a functioning capitalish economy with no protection of private property rights. The acceptance of theft and fraud in EVE (not counting piracy, which is sorted IMHO) is ridiculous. CCP is still out to lunch, will be until items are labelled with the owner's name (person or corp) and are considered "black market items" unless they are traded or sold by the original owner person or corp. Razor Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon CCP is the best at at least three things: 1. Really, really fun gameplay 2. Good forum presence 3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly
N0sferathu	Posted - 2003.11.07 16:49:00 - [26] Theft is theft. No mater what. What about the players who invested hours of there time contributing to the corp. There now back to scratch. Theres no justification for theft. None.. Good day
Lentia	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:13:00 - [27] Agent Shield and Parthon, You must be 15 year old little brats to think that anyone is gonna take your bullsh*t seriously. There have 30 posts here calling you scum-sucking thieves and not 1 in support of you. At least be men and take responsiblity for a well executed theivery and dont make a pathetic excuse that will just offend people's intelligence. BTW, you can assume that you have been added to many a KOS lists. Good luck with your new operations...... Lentia Military Officer http://www.staf.online-guild.com/
piij	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:21:00 - [28] Quote: cruising Eve in search of personal wealth You just cruised in the high lanes - Care to watch moo dance? p.i.i.j
Miss Cleo	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:26:00 - [29] You need to give the BP's you took to Techell. Otherwise your no better then the original thief. What would be better is for the CEO to admit his mistake and pressure the original thief to give it back to Techell then you give that stuff back. READ EVE GUARDIAN
Tailos	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:36:00 - [30] Quote: a bunch of slack-jawed numpty pirate wannabes That about states my feelings towards the situation.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:37:00 - [31] What a scumbag. Just a thief. We treated him like family. I even thought that he would make a great next CEO. He never ever said anything about SS Vegito or anyone else stealing from anyone. If he liked Techell so much, why was he in AF Holdings? Because we treated him like god. How else do you explain having access to the vault, you loser. Enjoy your scam, but remember. YOU WILL GET WHAT'S COMMING TO YOU. One way or another. Anyone doing business with this Thief will be considered dealing in stolen merchandise. I hope you got more then crew of two for backup, because WAR IS COMMING!!!!! The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
sutty	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:37:00 - [32] Edited by: sutty on 07/11/2003 17:38:05 he should give them back to AF, months of HARD WORK, gone to a f4ggot I hope you die of aids.
PropanElgen	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:43:00 - [33] All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
Vegeta	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:47:00 - [34] Edited by: Vegeta on 07/11/2003 17:48:16 Brilliant, you saved my day Crew of Two. More of this! 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Nightm4re	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:49:00 - [35] Edited by: Nightm4re on 07/11/2003 17:50:05 Can i safely assume the corp is ******? Oh well...Smith, im gonna kill you for the rest of my EVE playtime if u dont give it back.
Geralt Rivia	Posted - 2003.11.07 17:56:00 - [36] thats the lowest action i ever heard of in eve so far
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:06:00 - [37] Anyone want to create a corporation specifically to go to war with "Crew of Two"? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
EvilEric	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:13:00 - [38] Josh if ya do... count me in... VERY LOW Action.!
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:14:00 - [39] There you go Agent. Now you have official backing of a pirate, so that says it all. AF Holdings will bounce right back. We have great people in this corp. and weÆll work twice as hard to get all our belongings back, but the æCREW OF TWOÆ is now labeled as Pirate Corporation. Good luck dealing with people now that you betrayed the trust of your campmates. To steal everything that we worked for 6 months and say itÆs because of one guy who joined corp. a little while ago and is in military personnel department, to steal all BP that he had nothing to do with, and claim it as a moral way, itÆs a joke. YOU ARE A PIRATE & A THIEF. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Anla Shok	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:18:00 - [40] try to justify it as much as you want, you stole countless hours of hard work from good guys, you are pathetic.
Nightm4re	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:26:00 - [41] doesnt realy matter good or bad...i can justify a scam if its under say...200 mil...that money can be picked up by 1 person in less then 2 weeks...but stealing everything is ghey cuz u just set ppl back to mining in ibises for another 6 months.
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:27:00 - [42] if agent takes a few looks at what he took from the corp vault, he can see he took around 5 billion in assets. Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Angelsfist	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:34:00 - [43] Quote: Edited by: sutty on 07/11/2003 17:38:05 he should give them back to AF, months of HARD WORK, gone to a f4ggot I hope you die of aids. Incredibly stupid post, not to mention a bannable offense IMO. It's a game, grow up or keep your offensive language to yourself
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:41:00 - [44] Quote: Anyone want to create a corporation specifically to go to war with "Crew of Two"? Hey Josh if you declare war on Crew of Two for stealing and on AF for harbouring a corp thief I'm in
Ian Wagner	Posted - 2003.11.07 18:46:00 - [45] Well, at least he was kind enough to give names, so our corp can now set his standing to something between "Protein Delicacie" and "Fedo"
Jospef Rasputin	Posted - 2003.11.07 19:30:00 - [46] to Parthon and Agent Sheild Because of your actions against the corp I am with, I will be working all weekend to begin the recovery from your deeds. Compromizing time I wanted to spend with my wife and kids this weekend. I relize that is my choise, but I have a responsablity to the members of this corp, and a deeping feeling of betrayal to work off. I once kicked a member from this corp for even suggesting leeching off another corp in the past and do not understand the references to stealing or harasing someone in to stealing. your deeds have spoken loudly about your ethics and I hope you reap the rewards for them you so richly deserve JR - VP Logistical Support for AF Holdings
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.11.07 20:17:00 - [47] I am personally going to ** you over several ***** times until you give it back If i ever see either of you you are dead.. Even in yulai you are dead Welcome to kurenin's stab list ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Slinky Redfoot	Posted - 2003.11.07 20:24:00 - [48] Avast, tharrr be a slinky ol' pickpocket on ye 'orizon! Welcome to my future warslot, punk. Got Banana?
Malacki	Posted - 2003.11.07 20:36:00 - [49] Don't bother giving it to Techell. We dont need it and frankly want nothing to do with it.
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.07 20:44:00 - [50] Edited by: Solwolf on 12/12/2003 17:25:45 Quote: I don't actually condone the thievery of someone's work, so when I learned that one of AF Holdings members (SS Vegito) was the 'instigator' to push Falzone to steal from his corp; it just didn't sit well with me. Now SS Vegito may have been the thief's accomplice, but our CEO (Ferocious) has allowed this now thief to remain amongst us. It is as if the CEO has condoned what has happened. This puts the message out that it is okay for you to steal from someone. I can't deal with this kind of behaviour. This crime committed has now made me uncomfortable in going near Techell for current/future dealings as I don't know if they will want to take reprisal against me for something another member had done. Once that move was completed, we also discussed sticking it to our CEO who has allowed a criminal to stay amongst us, and decided to steal their stuff. AF Holdings is now out 500 Million Isk, hangars wiped clean, all blueprints in my possession, and left AF Holdings literally empty in Fountain. Now there is still another base with some minor BPs and some low grade minerals, but I had accomplished my goal of taking them down a notch for embracing corp thieves by doing it to them. We feel good for what we did, we are not sorry we did it, and we did it because we think it was the right thing to do. To those in AF Holdings, during your next meeting, you might want to discuss security and who you let have access to hangars and wallet. You were fine with me until thievery became an acceptable practice in the CEO's eyes. Know your leader, know your fellow members, and know what your morals are and how you will proceed into the future. Agent: I'm going to make you an offer that is withdrawn on November 15, 2003. Return everything that you have stolen, you and Parthon will be removed from the Fountain and Corporation kill on sight list. Techell will not even condone what you have done. I hope that a Techell representative will confirm what I'm about to say. Ferocious told me that SS Vegito did not push Falzone to steal from Techell. It's my understanding that Falzone had aready stolen from Techell and SS Vegito stole from Falzone. SS Vegito even gave Techell one billion ISK to compensate somewhat for their loss. What you did was criminal in any court of law. You didn't just stick it to our CEO. You stuck it to everyone in the corporation. You have an odd sense of Justice. Therefore, accept my offer or forever remain a criminal in the universe of Eve. If you don't accept the offer, then I personally will hunt you and Parthon down and bring you to justice. Any corporation that takes you in will reject you or face war. If you accept my offer than I will personal see to it that there will be no retribution taken against you. Stop letting Agent Shield frame the message. Post your comments about him here instead.
Li ShangYin	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:06:00 - [51] You pulled off a corp theft with your real accounts you've been training since day 3 ? ... amateurs... ... ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.
jigga	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:09:00 - [52] This is absolutely pathetic. The sad thing about this is the assets will probably wind up on Ebay along with their accounts and there is nothing you can do about it. If they get harrassed enough, which they probably will, they'll just leave the game. Simple as that. There will be no chance for ingame retribution. My sympathies to the remaining AFHI members and I hope that this doesn't destroy your corporation. I also hope you guys can overcome this disaster.
Mimiru	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:09:00 - [53] What a complete and utter moron. Not only is he a hypocritical ass, not only does Techell not approve of what he did, but he acted off assumptions, and never once (to my knowledge) inquired about what actually happened. <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:12:00 - [54] Quote: There will be no chance for ingame retribution. That is why corporation theft is ridiculous - the roleplaying aspect of corp. thievery is a-ok, in my book, but it's completely imbalanced. There's no way to seek the player and hunt him down, there's no faction/security standing showing that such and such a player is a known thief etc etc. It just sucks. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ona Otana	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:18:00 - [55] Pathetic. Thats all I can say!
Lyzander	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:21:00 - [56] Edited by: Lyzander on 07/11/2003 22:30:01 Let's take stock of things: - Falzone steals from Techell - SS Vegito steals from Falzone - Vegito gives 1,000,000,000 isk to Techell to compensate them for what Falzone did - Shield&Parthon steal from AFHI, claiming AFHI did wrong to Techell - Techell wants no part of it Boy, those sure do seem like great grounds to steal from AFHI... Agent Shield: You're an idiot, and a hypocrite. You can't in any way justify what you've done. And you know what? Because you posted this on the forums before thinking it through you're now going to get griefed to death by people who hate you. Real smart. CME Forums EVE-I
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:21:00 - [57] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 07/11/2003 21:29:14 /me praises the Magnificient 'Crew of Two' for a TOTALLY AWESOME Scam !! MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:38:00 - [58] Agent Shield, I am not even sure if you are capable of taking this in. But this got to be the worst kind of action I have seen so far. I think its pointless to point out why at this point. Since several people already covered that part. And if you have been unable to understand why 99% of us think this is the lowest of lowest. There is no reason to waste anymore energy in trying to make you see. You managed to condemn the 40 other players part of your corp all beacuse you say you disagreed of the actions of 2 of your fellow members. So to me this is nothing but a fake excuse to your greed. You managed to break a good and decent corp. Same corp that took you in and trusted you enough to allow you the access to all of their resources. And your greed got a hold of you. You disregarded their friendship and trust and sold it for material things. I do hope you will take Solwolfs offer. And that you do so soon. I usally dont involve myself much with things like this especially in the forums but you robbed friends of mine. And thus I consider this theft as it was done to my Corp. And will treat it accordingly...
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.07 21:57:00 - [59] Hey everybody. AFHI will be stronger then ever. We have many friends and even the foes have respect for us, so don't think for one minute that we will fold. We are not M3G4 where no one trusts anyone. We have great bunch of campmates and we will bounce right back. So thanks for all the support and we'll see you in space. Especially you Agent & Parthon. If you have the guts. Somehow I donÆt think you do. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Temujin Destovai	Posted - 2003.11.07 22:11:00 - [60] Quote: Let's take stock of things: - Falzone steals from Techell - SS Vegito steals from Falzone - Vegito gives 1,000,000,000 isk to Techell to compensate them for what Falzone did - Shield&Parthon steal from AFHI, claiming AFHI did wrong to Techell - Techell wants no part of it Considering what kind of totally despicable deed you have commited, I am suprised YOU went to the forums to post about it. I would think you would atleast inform yourself about what really happened. As it stands you ripped off a corporations due to 1 member, who infact did not steal from Techell at all, but stole from a thief, and returned part of the goods back to their owner. If you have an ounce of class, and actually meant a single word of what you posted, you would return to AFHI what they worked for. The Chronicles of Xanadu
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.07 22:31:00 - [61] Edited by: Solwolf on 12/12/2003 17:27:26 Quote: Techell will not even condone what you have done. I hope that a Techell representative will confirm what I'm about to say. Ferocious told me that SS Vegito did not push Falzone to steal from Techell. It's my understanding that Falzone had aready stolen from Techell and SS Vegito stole from Falzone. SS Vegito even gave Techell one billion ISK to compensate somewhat for their loss. I was misinformed that SS Vegito returned one billion isk. I spoke to SS Vegito. Vegito said that he gave the property all away to friends so there is no way to recover it now. Vegito said he won't steal from a thief again without returning the property to the rightful owner. Ironically Parthon, Agent's partner knowingly received some of this property too. We will take the appropriate disciplinary action on SS Vegito. I regret what happened to Techell. I do not condone it. With all of our corporation's assets gone, there's nothing we can do about it now. Stop letting Agent Shield frame the message. Post your comments about him here instead.
Ctrl	Posted - 2003.11.07 22:53:00 - [62] You are a **. Anyone who agrees to trade with you knowing what you have done is a **. ______________________ I liek eating crayons
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.11.07 22:57:00 - [63] More like "Crew of Two Douchebags." Baa-ZING! Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.11.07 23:10:00 - [64] They need to be shot till they repent and give it all back + more ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Jack Hayden	Posted - 2003.11.07 23:17:00 - [65] You are aginst corp theft yet you rob your previouos corp blind? Sorry lad, but you just sold your soul to the devil. The only thing one really own is ones principles and beliefs. Once you sell them you have nothing left and you are nothing. á "Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
Kurenin	Posted - 2003.11.07 23:27:00 - [66] I hate them and will pod them now ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2003.11.07 23:45:00 - [67] Agent Shield, you sir are an %#hole. You have UNJUSTLY stolen from a good corp. Oberon-inc considers feroci0us one of our oldest and best friends. And I know that theft is something the good people at AF Holdings would never, ever condone. Welcome to the Oberon KOS list. Coming soon to the NVA KOS list. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
sim2killa	Posted - 2003.11.08 00:20:00 - [68] Well Agent u seem lost for words what ur opinion on this topic since u've only posted the original thread. How are u feeling now that u know all the facts?
Angelsfist	Posted - 2003.11.08 00:31:00 - [69] Regrettably, i give it a day before they just start a new corp with alts and just disappear.
Slinky Redfoot	Posted - 2003.11.08 00:51:00 - [70] So Agent Shield is rich, but it comes with a price: 2 weeks from now he will not be able to undock from stations, period. That goes for all 5 people in Crew of Two. Got Banana?
Stavros	Posted - 2003.11.08 01:24:00 - [71] Edited by: Stavros on 08/11/2003 01:31:11 look im pretty drunk and i wouldnt post this if i was sobre... suffice to say that U SUCK and theives in general imho are just purely lamers and the lowest of the low.... despite the fact that fer0cious (or however u spell his name) is in the fountain alliance of pirates (ahahhah sutty u orrible pirate HAAAR lol jk) him and his corp are decent guys and you sir, are crap... infact if the whole human race was a pair of underpants, you would be the skidmarks ON those underpants, ahahahha yes you would be... always remember, despite what you might think, u suck so have a cookie of OMG I SUCk kthxbye.. i love everyone (in a non ghey way).. Stavros (who has quit, sorta, ok well maybe not.. errr im drunk sorry..) -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Mimiru	Posted - 2003.11.08 01:27:00 - [72] Edited by: Mimiru on 08/11/2003 01:31:09 Quote: i love everyone.. love you too, stavy-cakes ;) <Ap0k> "MIM: Like Gangrenous Body Parts without the amputation!"
Lorandello	Posted - 2003.11.08 02:08:00 - [73] Agent / Parth I have never really poseted on any forum before but i have somthing to say. You may or may not know that me and Metal dude were trying our own corp before joining AFHI. We got ripped off everything we had and when we posted a warning on the guy, we were approached buy AFHI and offered positions. This may be a common story. AFHI has been very good to me, and i almost feel like eve is another life, (just ask my son Dellroth). I have worked with you and Parth and i had thought of you as friends, even tho when you first joined i had reservations. After getting to know you these doubts faded. My mistake. Me and my partner Metal Dude, having been the victims of a corp thief in the past have a particulary bad feeling for them and no sympathy. I have read Sol's offer and beacuse he is a member i have respect for, i will honor that offer, if you do not take it... IF I EVER SEE YOUR WORTHLESS HIDE AND IF I CAN POSSIBLEY DO IT, YOU ARE BIOMASS.
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.08 02:10:00 - [74] Edited by: Solwolf on 12/12/2003 17:27:47 Quote: Edited by: Stavros on 08/11/2003 01:31:11 Stavros (who has quit, sorta, ok well maybe not.. errr im drunk sorry..) You should play more Stavros. You help keep the game fun and interesting. Stop letting Agent Shield frame the message. Post your comments about him here instead.
Xander Teg	Posted - 2003.11.08 02:10:00 - [75] Edited by: Xander Teg on 08/11/2003 02:14:49 I'm so incredibly disgusted about this its sad. The level of hypocracy being exhibited by this jerk is through the ceiling. But what really disgusts me is this pathetic justification. "But I'm doing the right thing". B.u.l.l.s.h.i.t. Agent shield, You sir, have no integrity. You are a dishonorable man, and you are undeserving of any respect from any player in this game. I have no respect for you. Until now I have had no problems with how people decide to play the game, from the most cuddly carebear to the most hardcore greifer to the most dishonest scammer. But this attempt to justify a malicious action with some delusional moral code crosses the line. You should have cleaned out the hangers, and left it at that. There is nothing, and i mean NOTHING that could possibly make what you did right. It was wrong, period, your post here is bar none the the most disgusting thing i have seen yet by a player in this game. _________________ "For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack." -Rudyard Kipling
Titanau	Posted - 2003.11.08 03:42:00 - [76] Agent and Parthon I can understand that u may have upset with certain members of our corp, but this was never even brought up in corp meeting or on our forum, so what i can gather is that u kept this info to ur selves, maybe if this was discussed as a corp this may have been resolved. Did u not want to tell ppl about ur concerns cause maybe this was ur plan for a while to steal from the corp? Anyway boys from the action of one from our corp u have decided to punish many that didn't even have any idea about the theft from Techell. Agent and Parthon May the curse of Mary Malone and her nine blind illegitimate children chase you so far over the hills of Damnation that the Lord himself can't find you with a telescope.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.08 03:43:00 - [77] Most of you are nothing but whiners. Go and write 'petitions' now. In case you haven't noticed: Betrail of trust is a part of the game. A trust that is not surrended can not be taken advantage of. In case you haven't noticed: Eve universe was not designed to be a friendly place. Go and play Simcity if you don't like. You're all saying he's pathetic, I say you're pathetic. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Mean Vanilla	Posted - 2003.11.08 05:01:00 - [78] To bad he did not get killed in the process, but doing this with his main I still smell a Darwin award On a side note: Good to see Stav back too, allways suspected the "OMG I'm quitting, kthxbye..." was just an excuse to go on THE bender to end all benders. _____________________(_x_)_____________________ Mean Vanilla, Refusing to pilot in a pod just to be able to moon through the port bay window since the year 105
Princess Podkill	Posted - 2003.11.08 06:22:00 - [79] Edited by: Caldari Princess on 08/11/2003 06:22:36 Agent Shield: Do you ever ships your BPs in a shuttle? If so I'm your new girlfriend!
Titanau	Posted - 2003.11.08 07:12:00 - [80] Edited by: Titanau on 08/11/2003 11:05:02 Hey Skillz Grasp your ears firmly and pull; you might just be able to remove your head from your a**.
Alan Bell	Posted - 2003.11.08 08:31:00 - [81] This is very sickening.....but i haev a optimistic view: Crew of two gives all of A.F.`s hanger stuff to techell, techell, being a honest corp (hopefully) will return all of it to A.F holdings, A.F. holdings get back tehir stuff, TEchell is a known as a very, very honorable corp (turning down 5 bill, despite the miner 2 incident) and Crew of Two gets killed, where every1 in eve can own a set of both corpses for 100 isks total. Btw, y does crew of two have 5 members? lotsa alts? http://coldfusion.online-guild.com
Nephlite	Posted - 2003.11.08 08:58:00 - [82] Edited by: Nephlite on 08/11/2003 09:00:43 Considering how you have confessed to your crimes, CCP should ban your like. There must be some way to manually adjust their standing so they are KOS to Concord and all station turrets? I can only wish that something horrible happens to the likes of you.
Troezar	Posted - 2003.11.08 11:24:00 - [83] I suggest that the ceo should be able to put a "corp bounty" on a corporate thief and if a member of the corp pods them all items are automatically returned. No suggestions on how this could be done but it should be possible for the sake of balance.
sim2killa	Posted - 2003.11.08 13:51:00 - [84] i must agree with that because it seems that corp theft is becoming much to commen in the reasent days
Teeth	Posted - 2003.11.08 14:05:00 - [85] Quote: Quote: Edited by: sutty on 07/11/2003 17:38:05 he should give them back to AF, months of HARD WORK, gone to a f4ggot I hope you die of aids. Incredibly stupid post, not to mention a bannable offense IMO. It's a game, grow up or keep your offensive language to yourself Agreed
PERCYDAMAN	Posted - 2003.11.08 14:38:00 - [86] Let's get em!!!
Titanau	Posted - 2003.11.08 14:47:00 - [87] btw crazy ace is an alt of one of these two scum bags
Merjan	Posted - 2003.11.08 15:39:00 - [88] Why is everyone jumping on those 2 guys? There have been countless corp-destroying thefts in the game. One of first big one was old Tank CEO corp when everything was stolen from him. There was Playboy theft. M3G4 theft. Techell theft. And countless others. The best thing about this one was that people who did it actually believed that its right thing to do and did it with their main characters. As for SS Vegito and his part of companionship with Falzone it was already determined that he did not returned stolen items to Techell as he already gave them away (so somebody benefited from it no matter who was it), yet he is respected citizen of EVE. Anyway i don't believe in double measurements for different individuals.
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.08 16:37:00 - [89] merjan, one thing you MIGHT not realize, look at all of those corporations losses. they are one of two things....small losses..small corp...Large corp... small losses Seeing as how techell lost 3.5-4 billion, who really cares right? they are the richest corporation in the game..weehoo..next...m3g4, who in the hell cares about griefers anyways....playboy...because of mr. heffner pulling a 'hugh' and crying like a small time pawn shop owner...so we have 3 cases that are entirely different, which is why i cant understand how you could even remotely refer to them.NOW we come to AF Holdings, a respective corp in the game since beta 5. Losing 5 Billion in assets might not mean alot to you, but it sets us back, i wont deny it, it hurts, both economically and yes, i'll admit it, morally(me in particular)Big Difference there. As to you agent, what is done, is done. I just wish now that your families can trust you with what you've done.And i Guarantee they will find out, your wife, your kids, etc. Perhaps then you will feel what it means to be betrayed. As to you Parthon, you seem to be just following along in this whole scandal, so i really cant quite understand what would cause you to turn your back on people who have saved your arse, a few times, and have acquired much respect, and trust in you, boy how we were wrong. So All in all, gentlemen, i thank you for your time in AF Holdings, it was a great time, until the end i should suppose. i'm sorry for my garrulous rambling, but it needed to be sad. Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Eayon	Posted - 2003.11.08 16:39:00 - [90] Quote: Why is everyone jumping on those 2 guys? Because they are both cancerous polyps on the anus of humanity ________________________________ "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2003.11.08 19:47:00 - [91] Skillz I truly do believe in that anyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and as far as I am concerned Skillz that includes even you. But lets be realistic here for a bit. Considering your history and background here in Eve. Does anyone really give a ….. about yours? Sim2killa I have to say it mate. It surprises me a lot to see you at our side of the rink on this one. I kind of got the impression that after you pulled a similar feat with Freelancing Corp awhile back, that you would be at the other side of the line supporting your fellow thieves. As long as you still owe members in my corp money Freelancing Corp and I will continue and regard you as a small time thieve.
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2003.11.08 19:49:00 - [92] Merjan I have to agree with your words at some extent. I do agree that the previous corp thefts should not be disregarded or set aside because of this particular incident. And I am not talking just about all the big corps you mentioned. This goes for all the corps that put their trust out on the line and got nothing in return but a stab on the back. But even though those previous thefts are comparable to these incidents. There is still one big difference between those thefts and this one. They still had some resources left to rebuild what was lost. Techell as far as I know lost ships and other produced items. They still have their BP’s and Isk intact. And thus are able to recover from that blow. M3G4 lost BP’s but as far as I know not all of it just a few of it even though valuable one’s and even their Isk was left intact. And then Playboy. They to suffered by having some of their BP’s stolen from them but like M3G4 they still have BP’s left to help them rebuild. Now we have AF Holdings They lost all of their Corps BP’s and also the corp funds. Now after stating that, would you say that their chances of recovery are the same as the other corps you mentioned?
Paul Lebaue	Posted - 2003.11.08 19:51:00 - [93] Fero Mate to be honest I can only imagine what you and the other peeps in AF Holdings are going trough right now and I am sure even that wont get me close enough to the actual pain this guys caused you and yours. But please mate. Don’t sink to this guys level. Show them what AF Holding is all about. True comradeship and Integrity, determination and endurance when its needed, something these two will only be able to observe and hear of but never again be part of. This is a hard blow given to you and yours. But this is also your moment of truth this is your Corps true test. Will AF Holdings break or endure and come out of this stronger? As impressive as your history was my friend this event is your greatest challenge. If you and yours are able to endure this, the future will hold nothing but greatness for you and yours. Remember you have a lot of friends out there me included and I sure that just like me they will offer any help they can to you and yours. The road you are walking on has suddenly become hard. Endure it and concentrate your efforts and energy into the path ahead of you and continue forward my friend. Do not let this incident distract you it does not deserve your energy and attention. Granted your path has been made harder by the extra burden and by objects now standing in your way of progress. But the original goal stays the same. Concentrate on that goal and your objectives. And I am sure you will overcome anything thrown your way. No matter what may come…
Enraku Reynolt	Posted - 2003.11.08 21:21:00 - [94] I MIGHT have beleived them if they had given it all to Techel but they kept the stuff for themselves greed is greed even wraped in a package of "justice" ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the sa
Jessica Logan	Posted - 2003.11.08 21:31:00 - [95] Hilarious, really. As someone pointed out above me, everyone starts screaming "omgyouwinhehehehedownwith(insertnamehere)corp!" when it's Techell, et al, on the recieving end. But now....hmm. Even funnier to see so called "Pirates" calling it a bannable offense, crappy behaviour and a form of griefing. Snicker
Demitri Klashnikov	Posted - 2003.11.09 12:44:00 - [96] I gotta say, I feel for those that worked hard only to havr there game time stolen, Agent Shield you should be ashamed of yourself -----------------------------------------------
Brisi	Posted - 2003.11.09 13:36:00 - [97] Agent Shield and Parthon - your understatement is an expression of your probably stupidity corm will KOS you as often as we see you in space - as long as not AF Holdings Inc. leadership will say that this issue is closed thievery is in NO case acceptable. we had a similar situation - not that fatal - but it did hurt us a lot too ... we've learned from it PS.: i just wonder what will happen with the corp you maybe will join in the future ... SENSELESS and CHILDISH
Laarz Kaledon	Posted - 2003.11.09 16:46:00 - [98] bleh, give their stuff back... corp theft problem is obviously out of control and CCP needs to adress this issue...
Brisi	Posted - 2003.11.09 16:58:00 - [99] laarz i don't think that ccp should investigate there ... this is the game ... people will always be able to do this ... the playerbase has to solve such problems on their own i think ;_) hey and at least - when ccp will solve this ... we will not have any targets left to hunt g
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.09 17:00:00 - [100] Edited by: Solwolf on 12/12/2003 17:28:13 Quote: Don't bother giving it to Techell. We dont need it and frankly want nothing to do with it. Malaki, I see that you are no longer in Techell. What made you quit? I have heard some rumors that Techell paid Agent Shield and Parthon to do this deed. Would a leader from Techell care to comment? Stop letting Agent Shield frame the message. Post your comments about him here instead.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.09 17:12:00 - [101] Edited by: Skillz on 09/11/2003 17:14:46 Quote: Considering how you have confessed to your crimes, CCP should ban your like. Quote: i don't think that ccp should investigate there ... this is the game ... people will always be able to do this ... the playerbase has to solve such problems on their own i think ;_) Just as I said, you're pathetic. End yourselves (tm). The 2nd quote however has the only answer, have a biomass from me as free gift. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Neumania	Posted - 2003.11.09 22:29:00 - [102] Quote: I have heard some rumors that Techell paid Agent Shield and Parthon to do this deed. Would a leader from Techell care to comment? I can assure you we had no involvment in this theft!
Torik	Posted - 2003.11.09 22:50:00 - [103] Quote: laarz i don't think that ccp should investigate there ... this is the game ... people will always be able to do this ... the playerbase has to solve such problems on their own i think ;_) If CCP classifies this type of activity as in-game scamming then they really need to give us better tools to protect the security of corp property. At the same time we could use a better in-game system of punishing people like this. Ultimately what really gets me is not that these peoples are rotten thieves but that they had the gall to come here and try to justify their actions with the load of BS they posted here.
Vaga Boranda	Posted - 2003.11.10 02:09:00 - [104] Quote: Quote: I have heard some rumors that Techell paid Agent Shield and Parthon to do this deed. Would a leader from Techell care to comment? I can assure you we had no involvment in this theft! You personally denied in the Techell sales channel that Techell are suffering a mineral shortage, hence no ship production for over a week. Although a Techell corp member and associated alt have been merrily selling off the Techell megacyte mountain @ 11k per unit cash or swapping it for initially zydrine, and now isogen, in the trade channel. Looks like a mineral shortage from where I'm standing. In the same breath, you also stated that ship production would be resumed in a couple of days, and that Techell had already recovered. We're now 4 days on from that, I have the chat log, yet I still can't get an answer as to what ships you have in stock for sale right now, if any. No involvement? and the band played 'believe it if you like'
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.10 05:46:00 - [105] Wow! A lot of reads and posts on this subject. Amazes me that this much discussion has taken place. Parthon and I have decided not to reply and/or play over this weekend. Tonight, we went on-line to see what was up and to go over these messages that are in this forum. A few replies I suppose are in order; Wasn't an excuse, we did it, and told why. Two wrongs do indeed make a left. Yes, the CEO condoned the actions of theft of a corp; so he must condone the theft we did on him. Techell doesn't want the stuff. Yes Skillz, it may be a perfectly legitimate business in Eve, but wasn't a business we were in. Lliad, we are standing up; we did it, and yes you may call us thieves for the action we did. There are not 50 players in AF Holdings, only about 15 real players. Beringe, we are not going to cave in and give it back. We have mostly decided to give it all to newbs since Techell doesn't want it. Angelfist, there as no personal greed in this action. We already have money, ships, modules, ores, minerals, etc.... We don't really need anything other than 1 Arbalest launcher and 1 Charisma implant; do you have any of these items? JarJar, yes, we are in Empire space and the location is currently Stacmon. Zzuess, you can trust us or not, your choice. We don't plan to ever join a corp again as we trust ourselves more and can survive on our own and had been until joining AF. Lentia, it was a well excuted plan; and we only posted here as we did it. All other thievery type of events that have happened, spoke of their actions after being caught or the word was out. We volunteered to come right out with what we did a few minutes after completion. And no, we are not 15 years old. Miss Cleo, the oringal thief and accomplice do not have everything they stole to give back, so this won't happen. Sutty, kiss my ass. Talk civil and in game, don't bring your prejudice into the picture. Vegeta, somehow I knew you would get a kick out of this. Geralt, there is still time. There are many low life crimes to be committed in the future by the many players in the game. Hang in there, you will hear more stories like this (and worse) as time progresses. Crime, and punishment, is not a part of Eve as of yet. Nightmare, the stuff stolen can be made up rather easily. There was nothing of real value ( a few hundred million ) for which a corp of 15 or so players can earn easiy enough. It is a setback for them, not destruction. Ferocious, you have an over-inflated value of what a Small Hybrid Ammo BPC Unresearched is worth. Ammo and a few gun bpc's do not equal 5 billion. JR, sorry, but this is a game. Take the time off and spend it with the family. Eve will be here tomorrow, and the next, and the next. Solwolf, don't worry about no deadlines, we don't accept. SS Vegito did NOT give a billion isk back to Techell, and he did NOT give back the stuff he stole. He had safe haven in AF with full knowledge by the CEO. Li, yes; we did this with our real characters that we have had since day 3. And yes, we are amateurs when it comes to thievery. Joshua, yes, there needs to be something implemented in game to prevent this from happening to other corps. Lyzander, people can hate me if they so wish, it is their choice. And no, SS Vegito did NOT give back a billion isk. Solwolf, Parthon did receive 4 of the 1,400mm guns; that is all. They were given to him from SS Vegito. In my eyes, I think he may have tried to buy Parthon's silence to not tell me, but am unsure on that part. Parthon did not receive these items as part of a coverup or a gift of being quiet, but for helping out SS Vegito in other endeavors. sim2Killa, I have not been at a loss for words, merely took the weekend off. BTW, is this really sim2Killa, or is this really SS Vegito using sim2Killa's account again? Titanau, it was brought up in the weekly corp meeting. I asked about status/resolution, Ferocious said we would discuss it later, never happened. Brought up in corp channel, still no resolution. Why was the CEO Ferocious selling me Zydrine for 1100 when he was bragging how we was selling it to Techell for 1700? That link was severed and so he sold the corp minerals locally. Which I couldn't figure out why the CEO was selling minerals on the open market and leaving none in the corp hangar for building battleships for those without. We were not planning this for any period of time, it just happened. TO SQUELCH ANOTHER RUMOR, I think brought up by Solwolf: Techell did not know of our actions until they read it hear like everyone else. We were not hired by them, we did not plan this for 2 months, this wasn't no grand scheme to join AF and steal from them. Caldari princess, yes I do carry BPs in shuttles. I don't need a girlfriend though. Merjan, they may want to post on this topic and 'pick' on us because we actually spoke up about it when it happened. We did not wait fo Agent Shield
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.10 06:49:00 - [106] Well, thank you for your reply. As far as I'm concerned you and Parthon have declared war on AF Holdings. You might as well quit the game, because it's over for you now.
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.10 06:58:00 - [107] Agent, Well Played. as you might have assumed we are already rebuilding, your childish, and yes i do mean childish, you are married and have kids, but you still act like a child when it comes to things like this and things like having DISCUSSIONS with the leader of your corporation has gotten you into deeper ** that i have Quote: Titanau, it was brought up in the weekly corp meeting. I asked about status/resolution, Ferocious said we would discuss it later, never happened. Brought up in corp channel, still no resolution. Why was the CEO Ferocious selling me Zydrine for 1100 when he was bragging how we was selling it to Techell for 1700? That link was severed and so he sold the corp minerals locally. Which I couldn't figure out why the CEO was selling minerals on the open market and leaving none in the corp hangar for building battleships for those without. We were not planning this for any period of time, it just happened. You never physically opened up a conversation with me and said "alright fero....whats up with ss vegito and techell, why did you let this go down like that" now did you my friend. Maybe you should have. Perhaps i wanted to keep it to a private conversation instead of letting some of the new guys in our corp be vexed about such a 'heated' discussion.Referring to the 35million worth of zydrine i sold you, wow, good for you, we were mining the whole weekend it was replaced easily,and i was just too damn lazy to fly to techell's base to sell it to them, and another fact is that my buyer, FALZONE was no longer in the corporation. personally in my eyes it was none of your business to know where and what i did with the corporations minerals, it was the directors and Leaders of the corporation. you refused 3 different positions in the corporation because you are finicky my friend. as to the corporation itself, your correct, its a setback, not a total destruction. Perhaps my greatest error was the date i trusted you enough to give you access to the 'corporation' as a whole, if you will. g'day fer0 Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance **
Jessica Logan	Posted - 2003.11.10 08:08:00 - [108] Quote: Agent, Well Played. as you might have assumed we are already rebuilding, your childish, and yes i do mean childish, you are married and have kids, but you still act like a child when it comes to things like this and things like having DISCUSSIONS with the leader of your corporation has gotten you into deeper **** that i have "Childish"? I see you, and most of the others, being the "childish" ones with your "omgomgomkoskoskos11!" threats and myriad of other insults.
Rockjaw	Posted - 2003.11.10 08:30:00 - [109] You just made the list, Jessica. j/k
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.11.10 10:22:00 - [110] Quote: "Childish"? I see you, and most of the others, being the "childish" ones with your "omgomgomkoskoskos11!" threats and myriad of other insults. Define irony: Jessica Logan talking about others being childish. Do you want my to bring up a log of a certain Amarr Channel Session? Whinning and crying because someone asked you to leave? Be quiet. Pain is meant to be felt
pandoran	Posted - 2003.11.10 10:38:00 - [111] agent there are some members of af that have been in game since start and have not got involved in the dealings of leadership. they have mined hunted and gave all they had to produce a corp i have never had a corp give me any ship i have mined for 3 weeks to get my first apoc from a bp that my old corp help fund. and you have the balls to say its all the ceos and other members fault personally the isk is not important to me but things that i saved and busted my arse for are you and parth are no better than burglers robbing houses you dont hurt the leaders of a corp by stealing from the rank and file. if you had issues raise them with all but all you could think of was to crap on all of us again i know this is a game its not the world but we play this game with a spirt and all you and your lap dog have done is taken away the chance of our new members from owning a battleship that they worked for and mined for. so as far as i am concearned go to hell
slothe	Posted - 2003.11.10 10:48:00 - [112] lol you slag of corp theives then nick a load of stuff yourself, class. Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.10 15:37:00 - [113] OOoooppps, looks like my post was cut off when replying to so many in one message; I will try to finish up and re-write those replies. Merjan, Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If they want to pick on us, so be it. Ferocious, there was no 5 billion in assets, only a few hundred. And keep RL in RL and game in game. My wife already knows what I did, but you posting that somehow my wife and children will find out what I did for an hour in a game is rediculous. Solwolf, there is no reason for us to quit the game. Fero, since my reply message was cut, you didn't see the above; but keep in game play in game. If you feel you must somehow contact my family to let them know what I did, then there is nothing I can do to stop you. Do you have everyone's phone number, e-mail, and physcal address? Should I tell them all to be prepared to receive your notice of tattle-taling on what I did for an hour IN A GAME? Agent Shield
Jessica Logan	Posted - 2003.11.10 17:07:00 - [114] Quote: Define irony: Jessica Logan talking about others being childish. Do you want my to bring up a log of a certain Amarr Channel Session? Whinning and crying because someone asked you to leave? Be quiet. Considering I was only kicked due to personal bias from one of the Operators, I feel my "whining" (I acted with considerably more restraint than the so called Operator, funnily enough) was justified. ;) No, why should I be quiet? If anything, Agent Shield has been the most mature poster in this Thread so far. I never said anything about my own maturity, making attacks in that area somewhat ineffective.
Malacki	Posted - 2003.11.10 17:34:00 - [115] Quote: Quote: Don't bother giving it to Techell. We dont need it and frankly want nothing to do with it. Malaki, I see that you are no longer in Techell. What made you quit? I have heard some rumors that Techell paid Agent Shield and Parthon to do this deed. Would a leader from Techell care to comment? Yes, I am no longer a member of Techell.. My reasons are my own. But I was a peon in techell anyways, so dont perceive my actions as anything important to the future of techell corp. As far as I know, techell corp INDEED does intend to come back with a bang, and other than a shortage of iso (at the time, may be different now) the only reason, that i could perceive, why they hadn't done it yet, was Dats' extended holiday from eve, many of the sale's staff departure from eve or just the corp, and I think a decision to be VERY careful about whom is allowed access to buy mins and sell ships... (sorry for the run on sentence ) Im really just a minor secondary account for another player anyways
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.10 17:39:00 - [116] see mate, heres the problem, you took it out of game when you personally destroyed the works of a 50 man corp in an hour, you knew us all very personally, and perhaps me the most, ffs, i even sang for you guys on ventrillo, laff, whats done is done mate, have a good life, knowing what you've done to people you considered friends. g'day Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.10 17:55:00 - [117] Quote: see mate, heres the problem, you took it out of game when you personally destroyed the works of a 50 man corp in an hour, you knew us all very personally, and perhaps me the most, ffs, i even sang for you guys on ventrillo, laff, whats done is done mate, have a good life, knowing what you've done to people you considered friends. g'day Sorry Fero, that doesn't wash. What we did was in game, and that is where it should stay; period. We did not destroy the works of a 50 man corp, we took 'some' stuff of a corp who has at the most about 15 real players. The rest are a lot of alts, multiple accounts, etc... And no, I do not know you all personally. I don't even know your first real names, so I can't really be known to you personally. As far as me knowing you most? I don't really know any of you that well in game. I do not recall you singing to/for me on Vent; I must have missed that day or just don't remember the event. Keep the game content within game, leave our real lives out of the game play. Agent Shield
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.10 18:00:00 - [118] Edited by: feroci0us on 10/11/2003 18:02:44 actually, i'd truthfully say our corp is 35 players, and how the hell would you know anyway, if you were so disattached from the corporation you wouldnt know jack ** about us or who has left for family troubles, etc. go get a life, perhaps that will save your pathetic eve one, your a cool guy, but your in game actions have deceived me. 'some' stuff? have you ever looked at our 'small' base? its got maybe a million of tritanium, once again, your speaking about AF Holdings as if you knew us, which you dont, whatsoever. Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance **
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.10 18:04:00 - [119] Hey scumbag, what about me? You keep responding to everybody elses posts. What about me or Lor. What did we ever do to you to deserve what you did. You will burn in hell one day MF, no matter how you justify it, you are pirates and thieves. Now respond. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Beldaws	Posted - 2003.11.10 18:13:00 - [120] Please, don't post links to third-party auction sites. - Orestes
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.10 20:03:00 - [121] agent, if theres one thing that i'd like back, its the corpses that we have collected over the months, if those werent hard work, i dont know what were, there were aproximately 100+, how much would it cost me to get them back:) Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.10 20:11:00 - [122] Quote: I can assure you we had no involvment in this theft! Neumania, I believe you, thank you for responding officially. Since Techell and AF Holdings have both been burned in similar fashion, I propose that our corporations and affiliations take no aggressive action towards each other over these incidents. I hope that someday we may be on friendly terms again.
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.10 20:42:00 - [123] Quote: Sorry Fero, that doesn't wash. What we did was in game, and that is where it should stay; period. We did not destroy the works of a 50 man corp, we took 'some' stuff of a corp who has at the most about 15 real players. The rest are a lot of alts, multiple accounts, etc... Keep the game content within game, leave our real lives out of the game play. Agent, I actually agree with you that any retaliation against you should remain in-game. That's provided that none of what you stole ends up being sold on ebay. If it ends up on ebay, then you should be banned from the game. You could probably make several thousand dollars from that stuff in real life I bet. I also think that CCP should create better methods to control this type of thing. Serial numbers for items so that they could be tracked just as in real life might help. Also some in game method for people to change the security status of other players. Some kind of warning system might be helpful there. I'm definitely not going to recommend this game to any of my friends until it changes. It really doesn't matter that we have 15 active guys or 35. You destroyed the work and hurt people that had been playing this game since the beginning. To attempt to minimize what you did by stating that you merely stole a few hundred million is a joke. It was far more than that. None of these people did a thing to hurt you too. We were even talking of making you the next corporation President. You did not bring this up at our weekly corporate meeting like you claim. You're nothing more than a Benedict Arnold. As far as quiting, you don't have to quit. However, you might as well become pirates, because your reputations from now on stink. I'm not even sure if the pirate corporations would trust you since your acts were so traitorous. No one will be able to trust you. I suppose you can just be crew of two pirates. Frankly, I hope that you are not so cold and callous in your personal life.
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.10 20:54:00 - [124] AF Holding Members, Allies and Friends, I respectfully request that the Corporation Crew of Two be repeatedly attacked until the fires of Hades freeze over! This especially includes the criminals Agent Shield, Parthon and CrazyAce. Further I request that any corporation that harbors these criminal be attacked with equal fervor. Any ally or friend that conducts attacks against these fugitives may expect our support in a similar manner. I thank everyone who has denounced these traitors! For those who condone what they have done, you shall not be forgotten either.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:04:00 - [125] You are so full of it Agent. You say you never planed this. Bull. Now that we had time to think and analyze your actions, you and Prthon were trying to get to the hangers for months. Parth kept saying how good of a producer and salesman you are and that you are getting board. We made you our productions person and sky was the limit for you in our corp. But you and Parth had this plan from the beginning and donÆt think that we are fools enough to fall for any more of your lies. I think you miscounted the response you were going to get and now this game will not be a lot of fun for you any more. Still have no guts to respond? You know what thatÆs called and it suits you. You know, the thing thatÆs between your wifeÆs legs. But IÆll just call you a coward. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Rohann	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:04:00 - [126] I praise you for stealing from the FA. w0ot!!! Now they get what they deserve.......
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:25:00 - [127] Quote: agent, if theres one thing that i'd like back, its the corpses that we have collected over the months, if those werent hard work, i dont know what were, there were aproximately 100+, how much would it cost me to get them back:) Yes Fero, you have a point here. We dealt you a blow, but Parthon and I don't believe we should keep the corpses. Isk, BPCs, Mods, etc... can all be replaced; the corpses for which you have killed cannot be replaced. As you may have guessed, our going forward plans are in the making now and take most of our time, so give me a couple of days and I will get a hold of you. I will do a Trade Screen with you and give you those corpses back. We are in Stacmon (Empire space), so you can either come up and get them, or send someone. You see, we are not very good crooks. I would think most would not return anything, but I think you make a valid point that you and AF do deserve to get those corpses back since really they are your trophies. While they are assets, they are your history in Eve and some of those bodies may not be available again. So yes, we will return those and you do not have to pay to get them back. I only ask that you come get them, you know I am not going to drive down to Fountain any time soon. Agent Shield
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:35:00 - [128] Sol, We are not selling our stuff on e-bay; so please drop yet another rumor. We are who we are, and are still going to play the game. We haven't quit, we haven't created alts, we haven't sold on e-bay, we haven't etc..... I also believe that if there is no way to hunt/punish someone who commits such crimes, there will be less and less corps granting access to anyone in the future. It would just be too risky. You had no clue we were going to steal, hell, even we didn't know; so providing trust with hangars will be guarded real close in the future I think. Sorry if you believe there was 5 billion in assets, it is just not so. I don't try to minimize what was taken, but let's be realistic here. If the corp really had 5 billion in assets (BPCs?), then it was a wasted asset to be sitting in the hangar. Sol, I did bring it up at a meeting; ask Fero. We don't have to become pirates because of this action. We can still cruise around Eve wheeling and dealing if we want to. I don't care what people may write in this forum to not do business with us, if I have XYZ module for less than someone else, they are probably going to buy it. If someone has XYZ module that I want and am willing to pay for it, then people are going to sell it. Lastly Sol, I am not this cold and callous in real life, but that doesn't matter here. This is a game and I can play it with whatever role I want to at any time. That's the beauty, it is a game! Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:40:00 - [129] Nothing to say to me again? Scumbag. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Falzone	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:42:00 - [130] Good Job Agent shield and your mate. I'm sure you guys hate me too and thats ok but i'm glad af holdings took a hit of 500 mil. After the theft i contacted fericious to tell him about ss vegitos backstabbing me and stealing some of my stolen loot he just laughed for the most part and said he thought it was ok to steal from a thief. Ibet hes regretting not punishing vegito now. Btw do you guys have any good loot from af holdings hangars left if so contact me i will buy some
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:45:00 - [131] Quote: You are so full of it Agent. You say you never planed this. Bull. Now that we had time to think and analyze your actions, you and Prthon were trying to get to the hangers for months. Parth kept saying how good of a producer and salesman you are and that you are getting board. We made you our productions person and sky was the limit for you in our corp. But you and Parth had this plan from the beginning and donÆt think that we are fools enough to fall for any more of your lies. I think you miscounted the response you were going to get and now this game will not be a lot of fun for you any more. Still have no guts to respond? You know what thatÆs called and it suits you. You know, the thing thatÆs between your wifeÆs legs. But IÆll just call you a coward. It is because of these type of posts by you that I do not reply. I will make an exception to this post, as the rumors need to stop. We never planned this. There was no grand scheme to join AF, get access to everything, then steal it all, then post to the world we did it, etc.... Get this out of your head. We joined. I was made mfg guy or something like that, but we already had players with alts who were REF5/EFF5; so me doing anything regarding refining should be left to those with a higher skill than my REF5/EFF4. It is pure logic to let a higher skilled player refine and reprocess. I also stated that my PE was only at lvl4 and again we had alt players who had lvl5; so they should be the ones who manufacture. This left me kind of wondering what to do next. Well, I also have very good research compared to the rest of the players (and I assume the alts of others) so I volunteered to research as I think it would benefit having researched prints,and was hoping that tech ii would take advantage of well researched prints. It was asked for only a couple of weeks ago before I got pneumonia and was off play for a week or so. REPEAT: THERE WAS NO GRAND SCHEME TO PULL THIS OFF AND IT WAS NOT PLANNED FOR MONTHS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN It is not that I don't have the guts to respond to you, it is just your immature attitude that has made me not want to respond to your posts. You know what that's called and it suits you. You know, the best part of you that ran down your momma's leg. But I'll just call you a dimwit instead to be nice. Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.10 21:56:00 - [132] Good. I'll see you in space. And you better hope that I don't run in to you in a bar. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Vortigern	Posted - 2003.11.10 22:05:00 - [133] Edited by: Vortigern on 10/11/2003 22:06:52 Do I condone thievery no, but and it is a big but, these guys have done the crime and using their main cvharacters confessed and are prepared to live with the consequences. Were they right, who knows, it is a shame if the actions of the CEO have had repercussions on other members of the corp, but Vegito's had a far bigger impact on Techell. As for some of the comments here lame very lame... Quote: Good. I'll see you in space. And you better hope that I don't run in to you in a bar. WHat sort of bar would that be a virtual one!! and would it be handags at 30 paces!!
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.10 22:24:00 - [134] I have no idea who or where he is, so I will never run in to him. My point is that if heÆs going to steal from someone in a bar, heÆll get punched in the face. ThatÆs all. And if you donÆt condone stealing, then donÆt stick up for a thief, Vortigen. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Shock	Posted - 2003.11.10 22:46:00 - [135] Hmm I haven't seen much Techell response here... I myself haven't played a while now, I think CCP has to patch some major leaks first. And corp thieves being one of them. Falzone kinda tries to makes his corptheft an RP move (besides which he was just plain bored) the problem imho is that the game just doesn't have the mechanics for proper RP corptheft. No CONCORD response, no bounty, no insurance nothing... Besides it's just too easy. And things like these easily **** people off to the brink of quitting. Just another proof those monkeys at CCP are thinking with the wrong anatomical parts. --- soonÖ
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.10 22:53:00 - [136] Edited by: Solwolf on 10/11/2003 22:54:15 Quote: Sol, We are not selling our stuff on e-bay; so please drop yet another rumor. What rumors am I spreading exactly?
Vortigern	Posted - 2003.11.11 00:05:00 - [137] Metal, Thanks for clearing that up....if there is one thing that grips my ****, it is mixing RL with game play. Anyway, am I fan of these 2 ......no, but they have balls for coming on here and admitting it with their mains.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.11 02:26:00 - [138] Get some new people to admire, Vortigern. These two are not worth it. This is just a game, but it defies your character, so if you admire thieves, take a trip to any state jail and I'm sure there's a lot of heroes there for you. If anyone did this in real life, they would be locked up for years. They are not heroes, just because they admit it. ***** announces his crimes also, but is he a hero? Yes he is. To the terrorists. I hope you don't support that. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.11.11 14:17:00 - [139] Quote: Quote: Define irony: Jessica Logan talking about others being childish. Do you want my to bring up a log of a certain Amarr Channel Session? Whinning and crying because someone asked you to leave? Be quiet. Considering I was only kicked due to personal bias from one of the Operators, I feel my "whining" (I acted with considerably more restraint than the so called Operator, funnily enough) was justified. ;) No, why should I be quiet? If anything, Agent Shield has been the most mature poster in this Thread so far. I never said anything about my own maturity, making attacks in that area somewhat ineffective. You showed how mature you are that day. Wheya rped her role in a harsh way you weren't the first nor the last that was kicked by her. Yet you are the only one who claimed it was personal bias and came back whinning like a baby. Now considering how you reacted then ... to a simple kick, imagine how you would react had your corporation lost 500mil and various bpcs and modules... Yet you still patronize other people for being childish. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2003.11.11 14:18:00 - [140] Oh btw Jessica... How mature is Agent Shield when he states he despises thievery and then commits this act? Pain is meant to be felt
Van Cleef	Posted - 2003.11.11 15:10:00 - [141] If he was to be the next president then he really jumped the gun if he planned to steal these items all along.... Whatever the case, these actions didnt hurt the CEO, they hurt the group. If you "beef" was with the group well then you succeded, if it was with the CEO, you caused alot of unneccessary grief. ------------------------------------------------ Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Reiisha	Posted - 2003.11.11 16:05:00 - [142] On another note: Corp thievery is taking on some really unacceptable forms, as the theaves sell their recently aquired assets for IRL money.... Do a search on one of the larger auction sites, and you'll find a "1 billion isk" sell on ebay and things like that.... CCP should think of a way to prevent this, or even making it punishable by RL law (as it already is actually, but even more so) And indeed, if the crew of two is so against corp thievery, they should at least share some of their assets with Techell. Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming!
Jessica Logan	Posted - 2003.11.11 17:09:00 - [143] Quote: You showed how mature you are that day. Wheya rped her role in a harsh way you weren't the first nor the last that was kicked by her. Yet you are the only one who claimed it was personal bias and came back whinning like a baby. Now considering how you reacted then ... to a simple kick, imagine how you would react had your corporation lost 500mil and various bpcs and modules... Wheya wasn't Roleplaying in the slightest, she made comments regarding my OOC persona, as well as ignoring any requests for clarification _in an OOC sense_. Screeching "no inferior races" when OOC and only going IC when it suited her was ****-poor form, if you ask me. Anyway, I'd quite like to see this chatlog where I was "whining like a baby". Oh, Agent Shield is the most mature person here because he isn't screaming and ranting while making all sorts of threats (Or egotistical comments to pump up his own ego). Finally, as I said earlier, I made no comment about my own maturity so that "attack" was, again, pathetically weak. ^.~
Beldaws	Posted - 2003.11.11 18:12:00 - [144] Hmm, some ASZWHOLE keeps deleting my post. Trying again. Sounds like this is where the stolen money went! EVE ONLINE - 1 Billion ISK - R/B Prot - N/R This is a divided ISK auction from a In-game corp sell off! ;) Over the coming days I will be selling over 3.2 Billion ISK online to the highest bidders.... Starting with this auction.
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.11 18:25:00 - [145] Edited by: Solwolf on 11/11/2003 18:27:20 Quote: Oh, Agent Shield is the most mature person here because he isn't screaming and ranting while making all sorts of threats (Or egotistical comments to pump up his own ego). Jessica, Thank you for your opinion.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.11 18:54:00 - [146] Corp theft is more fun than roleplay. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Rockjaw	Posted - 2003.11.11 19:39:00 - [147] Quote: You know what that's called and it suits you. You know, the best part of you that ran down your momma's leg. But I'll just call you a dimwit instead to be nice. Oh yes, we must all thank Agent for his example of maturity. Get real Jessica.
Neumania	Posted - 2003.11.11 20:09:00 - [148] Quote: I believe you, thank you for responding officially. Thank you Solwolf! Dont let incidents like this destroy you! Techell wishes you and your corporation good luck. May the future be much brighter for you guys.
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.11 20:33:00 - [149] Quote: Dont let incidents like this destroy you! Techell wishes you and your corporation good luck. May the future be much brighter for you guys. i thank you for your kind words neumania, perhaps we shall trade again in the future, once we get back on our feet. Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Kaylon Syi	Posted - 2003.11.11 21:26:00 - [150] I don't know why but I kind of believe Agent Shield to an extent. HOWEVER; I don't condone what he did. If there were 15 members or 35 members active in that corp and 200mil or 5bil worth of stuff, the fact remains that you destroyed MONTHS of hard work which is worth billions to many. Agent, You may not agree with what I am about to say. You may not understand it at the moment. But I as a director of "a" corp ask you to return the goods you stole. Your robin hooded ideals may make a great story but giving this Loot to noobs doesn't make the it right. You come out the better of the two sides. You come out with respect that you have obviously lost here. You might be able to recover from this as AF will but you will be selling the hard worked time of your old m8s. Listen to your old CEO and you might sense a bit of aggrivation in his voice not at the fact of the theft but in the lack of communication you had with him while in the corp. Running a big corp and a corp in a sizable alliance is no easy task. If you both have children you should both understand that. You don't mix RL and Game together I know... but your character is an extension of your real persona... choose which area of your true self you want to reveal to the EVE universe. Give the stuff back and show people how the game is really played.
Tanner Mirabell	Posted - 2003.11.11 23:18:00 - [151] So you got ripped off? You're not the first. My last corp got most of the stuff stolen by a f****ing thief. The problem as I see it is that it's to easy to start an alt and never be seen again. But anyway, it's a part of the game. NEVER TRUST ANYONE.
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.12 03:52:00 - [152] Quote: So you got ripped off? You're not the first. My last corp got most of the stuff stolen by a f****ing thief. The problem as I see it is that it's to easy to start an alt and never be seen again. But anyway, it's a part of the game. NEVER TRUST ANYONE. Now that was the only sensible thing I've heard in this ranting thread. Keep on flaming, lamers.
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.11.12 07:25:00 - [153] 1- Agent your a muppet for doing something like this and then hidding like alittle girl in empire space 2- Told you guys in beta we should only have allowed 1 char slot per account, but nooooooooooooooo <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.12 15:31:00 - [154] Quote: 1- Agent your a muppet for doing something like this and then hidding like alittle girl in empire space I really don't understand your comment. I am not hiding. I am right here in Stacmon, and yes, it is Empire space. I had a previous station base there from my old corp that I rejoined out of convenience. I don't consider it hiding when you tell your old corp where you are at. Most of them, and those that do business with me, know where I hang out. Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.12 19:30:00 - [155] You will be hiding as soon as we declare war on you, bud. Empire space is not going to help you. I know you don't have the guts to fight. You'll be running and logging as soon as you see any of us from AFHI. I guarantee it. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Skillz	Posted - 2003.11.12 19:43:00 - [156] Quote: You will be hiding as soon as we declare war on you, bud. Empire space is not going to help you. I know you don't have the guts to fight. You'll be running and logging as soon as you see any of us from AFHI. I guarantee it. That was a very creditable threat. Have a cookie. Keep on flaming, lamers.
LargeNuts	Posted - 2003.11.12 19:50:00 - [157] Vegito sells on EBAY. DO NOT BUY FROM VEGITO.
amerson	Posted - 2003.11.12 20:00:00 - [158] Edited by: amerson on 12/11/2003 20:09:00 !@#!$
parthon	Posted - 2003.11.12 22:00:00 - [159] I would expect nothing less from AF Holdings than to come after us with full intentions of destroying us I look forward to the many fights I get to ingage in. I will fight when I feel like fighting and run when I feel like running. There is no shame on my part in picking the battles I wish to ingage in. I will keep playing this game as my main character and this has not changed any of that.As for selling on ebay I will never take any part of this game out of game so ebay is out of the question.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.12 23:17:00 - [160] You will run parthon, belive me. You will run. And you will be moving too, so you might as well start looking for a new hiding spot now, because you will be hiding. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.13 00:57:00 - [161] Quote: You will be hiding as soon as we declare war on you, bud. Empire space is not going to help you. I know you don't have the guts to fight. You'll be running and logging as soon as you see any of us from AFHI. I guarantee it. Ok MENTAL Dude, I am in Stacmon; come on up and let's go at it head to head, pure PvP. If you are serious, bring your ass on up; if not, shut up. It's time for you to shut your trap, or back it up. You can't guarantee nothing except your scared little brain talking crap out of your tongue. You and Me, let's go at it. Unless you are too afraid, or dare I say, too Mental. Agent Shield
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.13 01:00:00 - [162] Well look at that, that was Parthon's first message ever posted on the boards. Welcome. Kind of funny that the post that finally got you going was the post by MENTAL Dude. Why is that Parthon? I know you just let things slide off as "THIS IS A GAME", but I suppose that when someone MENTAL goes off like that DUDE; you finally had to post. Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.13 01:23:00 - [163] LOL, am I getting under your skin girls? Good, because you got under my skin when you stole everything me and my corpmates worked for over 6 months. As for me coming to Stacmon, when the war is declared you can count on it. ThatÆs if you are still there. You sit in empire space and are challenging me? Very brave. IÆm a miner and a worker, but I have plenty of friends to help me kill you. IÆm sure I donÆt have to ask Vegito twice. When the war is declared you can call all your friends to help you. Ops. I forgot. You donÆt have any friends. Well, maybe some pirates will give you a hand. As for mispronouncing my name, very original, scumbag. ThatÆs the name that comes to my mind when I think of you. See you soon. MENTAL DUDE. I think I like it. He He. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
parthon	Posted - 2003.11.13 01:43:00 - [164] I just wanted to join in on the fun. I shake my head to the bashing that goes on but hey I am just enjoying the game and look forward to whatever comes from all this. See you around metal.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.13 01:51:00 - [165] Don't get me wrong. I know this is a game, but in the game or not, I have no respect for you guys. It's not the loot. It's the trust that you broke that makes me hate you. It's not just wards on a screen. We talked on vent and I would do just about anything for you in the game. Now in the game we are deadlie enemies, but out of the game, I dont wnat nothing to do with your kind. You are evil, man. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.13 02:06:00 - [166] Ok Mental Dude, I thought you wanted to fight, but I guess I misread; sorry about that. I can see how you would be afraid to fight on your own and need to have help, even when it is 1 on 1, you are too scared. Don't worry, you are allowed to run and hide and not fight if you want to, it's a game and you can be a drone/worker for the corp if that is your goal. Until the day comes that you can back up your smack talk, I can ignore you. It is easy to see that you can talk crap all you want, but can't really back anything up. So you have no reason to post any longer with lines like WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER me type crybaby messages. You act immature and I ignore, you bring threats and I answer, you still are immature; it is best that I just ignore you. Maybe you should purchase the low slot module to help your instability: Basic Psychiatrist I * Gives 5% mental stability bonus per level. NOTE: You will need to make sure you have the skill "Smack Talk Crybaby" in order to use it. Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.13 02:10:00 - [167] Now that's smack talk. Good. I'll see you soon. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Cruise	Posted - 2003.11.13 02:11:00 - [168] 165 posts and this has become a massive Metal Dude/Agent Shield slagfest. Could you guys move this into the game and have at each other? The flaming and the accusations are really dragging on. ------------------------------------------- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.
Nalla	Posted - 2003.11.13 02:23:00 - [169] Edited by: Nalla on 13/11/2003 02:32:35 Hey Agent and Par!!!!!!!!!! Far I am concerned you are low life scum bag MFers for what you have done to the AF Corp. You keep saying this is just a game and we should not take it personal for you guys riping us off. I pay money every month to play the game and enjoy it with my fellow corp. mates and other friends out there in the far reaches of space. So you taking stuff that did not belong to you is just like taking money from my wallet without my permission. HMMM not 15 yrs old sure could fool me. I am just as old as you guys are and i would not even ever think about riping off the corp because of I have morals. THE ADULT THING YOU SHOULD OF DONE WAS JUST RESIGN FROM CORP if you were not happy with what was going on. The excuse are as lame as you are. Just Rememebr the street runs bot ways the day will come you will be paid back for your GREEDY ACTIONS and yes it was for greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.13 16:00:00 - [170] Sorry Nalla. They donÆt care what the people of AFHI think. ThatÆs why they responded to my posts only after I goy under their skin. They think that itÆs all right to steal. Period. Agent responds to all other posts, but not the ones from the members that had nothing to do with the Techell theft. I didnÆt even know who Techell was, until I saw their theft confession. And I still donÆt believe that this was not planed. Too many times they attempted to get hanger access. But thanks to this, we have learned our lessons and next time ANYBODY wants hanger access, we will know that they are thieves like Agent & Parthon. Thanks Parthon for understanding my frustration. I know you will live thru something like this in your lifetime (What comes around, goes around), but I know that you are not the brains of the Crew of Two. As for Agent, I will come see you in Stacmon soon, scumbag. ThatÆs if you ever log on for an extended time. HavenÆt seen you online that often. Must have a second account that you got from all the stuff you stole and soled. And if you are giving the stuff away, maybe you can tell whom are you helping. I bet you are not giving the stuff to anybody, because you stole for greed like Nalla said. Helping people is not in you character. Stealing is. See you soon. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.14 00:26:00 - [171] Techell Corp., I'll make you a deal. If you get can Agent Shield to give you everything that he stole from us, then you may keep half. Good luck making that happen.
Leon Aerie	Posted - 2003.11.15 18:16:00 - [172] bump;)
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2003.11.16 10:25:00 - [173] No excuse Talon what goes around comes around... What goes around comes around...
TriFrantic	Posted - 2003.11.19 16:54:00 - [174] I just want an answer from Agent. I have been a part of AFHI for quite some time now. Spent countless of hours mining for the corp. I did not have any idea of what Vegito had done earlier. Why should I (and the rest of the guys that didn't know) be punished for something I/we didn't have any part in?
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.20 20:38:00 - [175] Like I said Tri, they won't respond to the posts from the innocent people of AFHI. He has nothing to say. His excuse for theft is bull and that's it. He only loges on for few minutes a day now, so he must be playing another account. Hope you can sleep at night scumbag. But IÆm sure you can. Thieves have no morals. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Jiraiya	Posted - 2003.11.21 00:04:00 - [176] Agent Shield is a friggin idiot. If I knew someone like you in real life I would punch you in the face whenever I walked by you, and the world would be better off for it. and dont whine about ooc attacks, you attacked your whole corp ooc with what you did
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.21 03:37:00 - [177] Quote: Agent Shield is a friggin idiot. If I knew someone like you in real life I would punch you in the face whenever I walked by you, and the world would be better off for it. and dont whine about ooc attacks, you attacked your whole corp ooc with what you did Jiraiya is a friggin idiot. If I knew someone like that in r/l, I might smack him. But did you happen to notice? THIS IS A GAME!! Agent Shield
feroci0us	Posted - 2003.11.21 03:56:00 - [178] Edited by: feroci0us on 21/11/2003 06:26:16 cute corporation agent. Proud Member of the Fountain Alliance
Falzone	Posted - 2003.11.21 04:01:00 - [179] Good Job Agent shield thats what they get for me getting ripped off by vegito.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.21 04:25:00 - [180] Final things make sense. Agent Shield revels himself as a pirate that he always was. I guess you chose the direction and youÆre sticking to it. What happened? I thought you said you would never join another corp. Another lie? Or did you just realize that everyone is after you and you had to go get backup. Do you have access to the hanger yet? Are you telling them how great of a producer and refiner you are? I know SIM members steal all the time, so you must be planning on ripping them off too. But at least the crap comes to the top and everybody knows what scumbags you two really are. Thanks for moving back to the neighborhood. WeÆll be seeing you soon. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.21 06:48:00 - [181] Quote: cute corporation agent. I know, nice guys. They are very accepting and welcomed me with open arms. Strange thing though, the CEO won't let me have access to the blueprints? I keep telling him that I have excellent research and production skills, but to no avail. Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.21 14:44:00 - [182] LOL. Now that's funny. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Jiraiya	Posted - 2003.11.21 16:23:00 - [183] Oh since this is a game I will hack the database and delete your char, and it wont matter, because its just a game. Why not just take down the entire cluster? It will ruin the day for 5000 people, but how does it matter? Its just a game :p You may be playing a character which is a right arse with no social skills ingame, and be a nice guy which donates his money to the needy in RL, but I doubt it. The ingame characters reflect their real life counterparts in some ways, if you dont get that, well, then there is no reason to discuss. Some level of intelligence, understanding and communication skills is required to have a decent discussion. I find you lacking
Eayon	Posted - 2003.11.21 16:27:00 - [184] Edited by: Eayon on 21/11/2003 16:29:41 If ingame characters reflect their RL counterparts, the fact his avatar looks like a member of The Village People speaks volumes ________________________________ "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
Agent Shield	Posted - 2003.11.21 18:15:00 - [185] Edited by: Agent Shield on 21/11/2003 18:16:39 Quote: The ingame characters reflect their real life counterparts in some ways, if you dont get that, well, then there is no reason to discuss. Some level of intelligence, understanding and communication skills is required to have a decent discussion. I find you lacking Now this is interesting. I would love to have a decent discussion with you on how R/L can be a reflection of this game? In R/L, do you kill people? Any player that has went out and killed some Guristas or Sanshas or whatever NPC, it is murder. I don't believe you think that everyone who kills in game is somehow a reflection of what they do in R/L; that would be nonsense. You do ***** me up. Edited here: I guess C R A C K is a bad word? Agent Shield
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.21 18:27:00 - [186] Here is a question. If you could steal 5 billion dollars and get away with it, would you kill for it? I bet that you would. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Eayon	Posted - 2003.11.21 19:13:00 - [187] Edited by: Eayon on 21/11/2003 19:17:36 He'd kill his own mother for it Quote: In R/L, do you kill people? Any player that has went out and killed some Guristas or Sanshas or whatever NPC, it is murder. I don't believe you think that everyone who kills in game is somehow a reflection of what they do in R/L; that would be nonsense. Those are NPCs you dumba$$, if I kill a group of Guristas I don't rob them of months of work. When is the penny going to drop mate? When that single brain cell you have rattling round your head finally comes to a stop and realises it's lonely? ________________________________ "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.21 19:18:00 - [188] Sorry Agent, maybe I'm wrong to implement that you would murder someone in RL. I'm just still upset. I hope that you can understand that this is not JUST A GAME to us. We spent thousands of hours WORKING for our corp. and it's not JUST A GAME to us like it is to you. Anyway, I look forward to our future in game encounters. I want your corps sooooo bad. He he. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Khadril	Posted - 2003.11.22 18:24:00 - [189] Agent and Parthon... loser names anyway. As I was always taught, never go head on. Lay and wait, and attack at the most inopportune time for your enemy. I will follow that advice. It is just a game. But often, how we play a game shows RL personality traits. You're too stupid to be a lawyer or politician, so you must be a used car salesman. BTW, did you enjoy your podding Shield?
Solwolf	Posted - 2003.11.22 19:56:00 - [190] AF Holding's Incorporated is offering a one-time 10 million isk bounty for the corpse of Parthon, in Spartan Industrials Corporation. In order to collect, a screen shot of the destruction of his ship and the corpse must be provided. On the behalf of AF Holdings Incorporated, I thank Lord Undertaker for the podding of Agent Shield yesterday! We had not made the bounty offer yet for Agent Shield and Parthon. Yet Lord Undertaker went out of his way to take out Agent Shield in Hophib, not a 0.0 system. AF Holdings has therefore decided to purchase the corpse of Agent Shield from Lord Undertaker for 10 million isk as a gesture of our gratitude. No additional bounties will be paid for the corpse of Agent Shield at this time. However, anyone who cares to pod him again will have our gratitude.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2003.11.22 20:50:00 - [191] Hey Lord Undertaker, thanks a lot for poding the most wanted on our KOS list. You have been a long time ally and friend of AFHI and we know that you donÆt want it or need it, but please accept a small token of our gratitude for your deeds. Personally I want to thank you for the corpses and anytime you are in need, all of us here at AFHI are here for you. We still want both of them poded again and again and again, so happy hunting. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Biscuts	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:13:00 - [192] BUMP FOR JUSTICE
Scorched Evil DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:32:00 - [193] you stole less than a billion isk... wow, you're a real tough guy. CYVOK > All you station jockies better get out their and start killing these idiots
Enteris Caldari The Empire Nation	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:44:00 - [194] While an awsome necro, a necro nonetheless, seriously. Vault it or something, but please
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:44:00 - [195] 4 year necro.... _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Dextrius Gallente ironwood ink	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:18:00 - [196] I am sure this thief will be in goonswarm soon, he seems like the kind of scum they would embrace. Just read the links below. this is just a small example of what goonswarm members do to the community, like this thief they justify their deeds with excuses. Ruin EVE? Some Goonswarm members gloat, destroy EVE Online
adfnr Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:55:00 - [197] Originally by: Dextrius I am sure this thief will be in goonswarm soon, he seems like the kind of scum they would embrace. Just read the links below. this is just a small example of what goonswarm members do to the community, like this thief they justify their deeds with excuses. ^^ Counter-spamming... how inventive... ____________________ The "Change ALL Ammo"-button
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.24 22:40:00 - [198] Edited by: Plutoinum on 24/11/2007 22:41:49 hmpf. This necro got me. Was already reading the 2nd page, but then it seemed more and more strange, e.g. first I thought 'Oh, Jade Constantine got unbanned.' Think I need a coffee.
Lala Ru Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.24 23:44:00 - [199] I honestly don't know what all the outrage is about. If a noob took all his stuff in a hauler AFK through Empire, and it was suicide ganked, everyone would say (all together now) "It's part of EVE. It's your own damn fault. Take precautions next time. Adapt or go play World of Warcraft." Ditto if said noob saved for months to buy a Battleship, only to have it blown up within 30 second of entering Lowsec. Now corp thieves are nothing new, massive corp thefts are nothing new, the need to restructure your corp to prevent such thefts is nothing new, people hurting each other just for the hell of it is nothing new, so why is this particular corp theft condemned, while a pirate blowing up a Hulk is just part of the game?

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