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Demonica II
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Demonica II on 06/11/2006 14:15:59
First read here GTC scammer thread
Notice a few really weirdly named guys with extremely bad english apparently get scammed.
Both of these guys made posts on the sell order forum warning about the scammer, again, barely readable posts http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=422134
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=422123
Could it be that the scammer is getting some friends, or maybe his alts to send him isk, he then launders the isk somehow, and then reports to ccp with his alts that they were scammed, ccp returns their isk, scammer gets away with laundered isk, free isk for the scammer?
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badmortha
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:14:00 -
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This isn't new? classic take isk don't give any/invalid code trick?
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Jack Brimstone
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:17:00 -
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Don't see anything new about this tbh, unless I am missing something.
Everyone scammed should just petition CCP (GTC Scams are petitionable iirc) rather than forum posting about it.
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Demonica II
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:17:00 -
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 Originally by: badmortha
This isn't new? classic take isk don't give any/invalid code trick?
Added rest of info
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Demonica II
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Brimstone
Don't see anything new about this tbh, unless I am missing something.
Everyone scammed should just petition CCP (GTC Scams are petitionable iirc) rather than forum posting about it.
I accidently hit post before getting past the first line, added rest of info.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:50:00 -
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FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
Completely, 100% wrong. Due to the inability of the GMs to track items GTC sellers will often buy high priced, small volume items from escrow and then launder them through alts (which can't be traced if you go to a SS and drop a can, then have an alt come along and pick up the items). CCP garentees you get your ISK back when GTC scammed, which means the scammers are duping ISK.
It's kind of ironic how they won't dupe items for regular players who lose their ships to bugs, but they'll dupe ISK for players who lose their ISK to scams.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
IIRC, one can end up with a negative wallet balance. This means they indeed have created ISK.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:32:00 -
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If CCP wants to keep the gametime for isk system, they should like often proposed implement a web page to give someone gametime without transferring the key.
Reselling would stop and it could be 100% scam-safe, e.g. a mechanism like
1) seller transfers gametime
2) gametime shows up on buyers account, but is still locked
2) buyer pays seller with isk
3) seller confirms that he recieved the isk and that everything was ok, which unlocks the gametime on the buyers account
or something like that. So many possibilities to stop scamming and false accusations of scamming.
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Trollin
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
fyi, you don't have a clue what ccp does or does not do. they most certainly do pull money and items out of their magic hat all the time. I have had a ship explode out from under me for no apparent reason, and 3 days later it is sitting in my hangar. did they go and gather up all the atomized minerals and put it back together? I really don't think so.
and FYI, you are in the most retarded alliance and corp I have ever seen. (in reference to his sig)
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Okkie2 on 06/11/2006 16:36:58
Originally by: Trollin
Originally by: Ithildin
FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
fyi, you don't have a clue what ccp does or does not do. they most certainly do pull money and items out of their magic hat all the time. I have had a ship explode out from under me for no apparent reason, and 3 days later it is sitting in my hangar. did they go and gather up all the atomized minerals and put it back together? I really don't think so.
Aparently you don't have a clue what ccp does or does not do. They only pull items out of their magic hat which are destroyed (not in the game anymore) or isk from tracked transactions where they have taken the isk back. So if your ship explodes and some equipment is left in a can you can get your ship back and the equipment EXCEPT the equipment left in the lootcan.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trollin
fyi, you don't have a clue what ccp does or does not do. they most certainly do pull money and items out of their magic hat all the time. I have had a ship explode out from under me for no apparent reason, and 3 days later it is sitting in my hangar. did they go and gather up all the atomized minerals and put it back together? I really don't think so.
and FYI, you are in the most retarded alliance and corp I have ever seen. (in reference to his sig)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ithildin
FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
IIRC, one can end up with a negative wallet balance. This means they indeed have created ISK.
That's only happened a few times. They aren't meant to do that.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/11/2006 17:00:09
Anyhow the point is clear - it is abusable.
Player needs isk after loosing a 25bil pimp scorp in 0.0 gatecamp
Player creates alt.
Alt follows sellers rules.
Alt sells 500 100-day cards for player for trillion isk
Alt spends trillion isk
Player cries scam as his trillion isk is gone and no cards come
CCP remove trillion isk from Alt, and give it to player. Alt left with -1trillion isk
Player proceeeds to fit out a 25bil pimp scorp and run into a 0.0 gatecamp.....
Now here lies the problem. The alt gets banned, but thats no big deal, since the player got his isk back, as well as whatever is laundered by the alt. Can this be stopped? Only if GTC selling stops, but I guess the only other solution is a ingame "Time Code" booster item that can be sold, as to guarentee that the card actually exists.
I.E A Time code facility that sticks to a player, and is only transferable ingame via a secure method - no ganks dropping timecodes for example.
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dabster
Minmatar
dabster Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/11/2006 17:00:09
Anyhow the point is clear - it is abusable.
Player needs isk after loosing a 25bil pimp scorp in 0.0 gatecamp
Player creates alt.
Alt follows sellers rules.
Alt sells 500 100-day cards for player for trillion isk
Alt spends trillion isk
Player cries scam as his trillion isk is gone and no cards come
CCP remove trillion isk from Alt, and give it to player. Alt left with -1trillion isk
Player proceeeds to fit out a 25bil pimp scorp and run into a 0.0 gatecamp.....
Now here lies the problem. The alt gets banned, but thats no big deal, since the player got his isk back, as well as whatever is laundered by the alt. Can this be stopped? Only if GTC selling stops, but I guess the only other solution is a ingame "Time Code" booster item that can be sold, as to guarentee that the card actually exists.
I.E A Time code facility that sticks to a player, and is only transferable ingame via a secure method - no ganks dropping timecodes for example.
It would take some effort though.. You cant use an alt on your main account because the account gets banned, not the character. You also cant use a trial because that wont get you anyhting reimbursed, which means you have to 'sacrifise' atleast a months subscription.
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Lucio
Gallente
Incorporated Holdings
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
It would take some effort though.. You cant use an alt on your main account because the account gets banned, not the character. You also cant use a trial because that wont get you anyhting reimbursed, which means you have to 'sacrifise' atleast a months subscription.
And? Let's see one month's subscription cost, probably using a stolen credit card, vs the ability to make a few hundred dollars from selling ISK? Hell, if you scam enough money in a short enough time you could make thousands as a return on your investment.
Let's face it, unless CCP sit down and make the game so easy that any idiot can "win", they'll always be an oppertunity for people to make a profit off the game via other player's laziness.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
And? Let's see one month's subscription cost, probably using a stolen credit card, vs the ability to make a few hundred dollars from selling ISK?
What have stolen credit cards have to do with all this? Its not needed at all anyway, even if one ignores this "ISK sellers abduct children, deal in drugs and dont stand up for elderly people in the subways" hysteria. Hint: GTCs.
My suggestion for easy ISK: You could make billions if you steal nuclear weapons from the US army, then threaten CCP into giving you a t2 BPO.
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Araxmas
Caldari
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:02:00 -
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FYI, CCP never adds items or isk to the game from petition reimbursements. If they do give money back, it means they've tracked the transactions down and have taken the money from the character in question.
I lost a hawk and mods due to a glitch that made a pod flash red. It got reimbursed.
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