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Lady Deyth	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Lady Deyth on 07/11/2006 15:07:56 The **ation gets a 5% bonus to optimal range per level of command ships. The Vulture gets a 10% bonus to optimal range per level of command ships. That right there is messed up, why in the world should the Vulture's bonus, that comes under the same skill (command ships) be twice as effective as ations bonus? Every optimal range bonus in the game is 10% except the ations, which is only 5% Whilst your at it, you could add a new type of battlecruiser, give the amarr one a 5% bonus to armor resists per level, and give the caldari one a 10% bonus to shield resists per level, it's not much different than the current state of ation vs vulture anyway. I dont even use **ations, nor plan to, but i can see that this is not right. You cant even say D-A-M-N-A-T-I-O-N without being filtered for swearing!
Lady Deyth	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:01:00 - [2] Giving the **ation its rightful 10% range per level bonus would not exactly be game breaking either, just fix the ** bonus so we can be happy.
Fon Revedhort Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 07/11/2006 15:16:39 Yep, this regretful fact is beyond my understanding, too. I was planning to use it for the sake of a better variety of setups and roles (4 meds on amarr ship - omg!), but this ridiculous bonus discourages me a bit. I also can add: what is the point, Tux!? ****ation can't match neither Zealot or Eagle nor even Sacra as a sniper even if you give her a proper 10% bonus! -- lol - that filter really sux.
Lady Deyth	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:18:00 - [4] Edited by: Lady Deyth on 07/11/2006 15:20:15 With the 5% bonus i cant even imagine how anyone would even use this "fleet command ship" in an actual fleet battle, other than a gang skill bonus giver of course, because the range of this ship is so pathetic that you wont be able to shoot anyone. The fact that this ship gets a 5% range bonus per level of command ships when the Vulture (It's caldari counterpart) gets 10% per level is just a slap in the face to all amarr pilots. You know what i think, i bet whoever designed this ship decided that as its a khandid ship, which are mainly half missiles, half turrets, they decided it would only get half a bonus, and that itself is stupid.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:26:00 - [5] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/11/2006 15:26:52 Eve difficulty settings: Caldari Easy Medium Hard Amarr Anyway, I hadn't actually noticed the apparent problem with the bonus - given the current state of lasers I fit missile launchers on my ***ation. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori* It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:29:00 - [6] The ***ation will be renamed the Tarnation in Kali ...but you still won't get the extra 5% ;) Seems a bit of an odd one - it'd be nice to have a justification for why* it's only 5% (if there is one). Maybe it's something to do with the difference between projectile and hybrid weapons (hybrids work mostly within optimal, but projectiles work mostly in fall-off??)
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Slevin Kalebra The ***ation will be renamed the Tarnation in Kali ...but you still won't get the extra 5% ;) Seems a bit of an odd one - it'd be nice to have a justification for why* it's only 5% (if there is one). Maybe it's something to do with the difference between projectile and hybrid weapons (hybrids work mostly within optimal, but projectiles work mostly in fall-off??) The ***ation bonus is for lasers Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori* It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:33:00 - [8] **ation? CCP are you censoring *? N=R x fp x ne x fl x Fi x fc x L
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake The ****ation bonus is for lasers Yeah yeah - forgot to engage brain before posting ;)
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:59:00 - [10] Dude, Caldari have always gotten insane optimal range bonus's, it's nothing new to the game. Look at some other ships and you might realize that,like the eagle, harpy, even the new caldari bs is going to have an uber optimal range bonus. Amarr get the less cap use, ROF bonus, Damage bonus, and optimal, sometimes tracking. So don't go complaining about caldari not being evened out between amarr, IMO both races need to be nerfed. Also the Vulture does have the best tank of all the command ships, mixed with the resistances and shield boosting duration and beingable to amplify shield boost amount.... compare more than just one ship on another ship. Caldari = range, Amarr = Any other turret bonus possible.

Rania Serlia TetraMorph Nexus Inc. The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:07:00 - [11] Nerf Amarr, that's a good one. Anyways, the point was not comparing it to caldari or anything else, te point is that EVERY other ship in the game that has an optimal bonus(including, I might add, many amarr T2 ships incl. zealot, retribution, and sacrilige) gets a 10% optimal bonus, whilst the **ation has 5%. It seems like the **ation has been singled out to get screwed over on it's bonuses.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:13:00 - [12] There's a reason why the ****ation is dirt-cheap. It tanks. That's about it.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:17:00 - [13] its the only ship in the game with a 5% optimal range bonus however, lasers suck so change it to missile rof kthx It's great flying Amarr, ain't it?
Erik Pathfinder Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:23:00 - [14] OP does have a point Every other Amarr ship with a range bonus gets 10% per level (coercer has this built in as a 50% one-off bonus) --------------- "Run free little vermin, the city is yours!" - Quimby
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Erik Pathfinder OP does have a point Every other Amarr ship with a range bonus gets 10% per level (coercer has this built in as a 50% one-off bonus) Yeah. The ****ation sucks so bad that even the forum software refuses to talk about it and censors the name. That should tell you something.
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:45:00 - [16] has anyone actually tested the range bonus in the game or are you just going by the description?
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 16:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne has anyone actually tested the range bonus in the game or are you just going by the description? It's small enough that I do not notice it's there. Does that answer your question? - Am I in the coolest alliance or what?
Missie Moomingirl	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:14:00 - [18] Edited by: Missie Moomingirl on 07/11/2006 17:16:33 Originally by: Galen Silas Dude, Caldari have always gotten insane optimal range bonus's, it's nothing new to the game. Look at some other ships and you might realize that,like the eagle, harpy, even the new caldari bs is going to have an uber optimal range bonus. Amarr get the less cap use, ROF bonus, Damage bonus, and optimal, sometimes tracking. So don't go complaining about caldari not being evened out between amarr, IMO both races need to be nerfed. Also the Vulture does have the best tank of all the command ships, mixed with the resistances and shield boosting duration and beingable to amplify shield boost amount.... compare more than just one ship on another ship. Caldari = range, Amarr = Any other turret bonus possible. Every ship in the game when given a bonus always get the same amount of bonus, if a bonus is 5%, such as rof/damage/resists etc, every ship in the game with that kind of bonus will get a 5% bonus, repair amount bonuses are 7.5%. Range bonuses are 10% per level, except for the case of the **ation, it only gets half of the bonus, which is completely wrong. Why dont we change the ravens torpedo and missile velocity bonus to 5% per level? Because all ships with a missile velocity bonus get a 10% bonus. Now fix the **ation range bonus please.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:15:00 - [19] Bug report it - ALL range bonuses should be 10%. The Wolf had similar trouble with it's falloff bonus and Tuxford confirmed it's a bug. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Blind Man its the only ship in the game with a 5% optimal range bonus however, lasers suck so change it to missile rof kthx Just like the Hawk is the only ship with a 5% shield boost bonus, all other have 7.5% Both are misstakes that needs to be fixed.

Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:27:00 - [21] ****ATION AND HELLFIRE!
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:10:00 - [22] Hahahahahaah.... The filter is so morbidly hyperactive, you can't even say the name of one of the game's ships! ****ation!
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:17:00 - [23] You cant say **ation? That *s me up! And I live in S**horpe!
Waxau Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:19:00 - [24] Im not going to comment here, because i know that when i say the ****ation may need a boost, and the vulture doesnt need a nerf, that im going to get kicked in the balls:P
Hallistra	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:55:00 - [25] The description is wrong,you actually get 10% range per lvl,and you always got afaik... I realized it when i had the same setup like my Sacrilege,and the ****ation had higher range because of higher lvl there
Kojiami Amarr Dark Empire Fleet Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Kojiami on 07/11/2006 20:04:03 ****ation just looks awesome.. It's awesome being amarr, ISN'T IT?
Lucre STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Slevin Kalebra The ****ation will be renamed the Tarnation in Kali ... LoL This wins. (Meanwhile give it more launchers and a RoF bonus!) - It's great flying Amarr, aint it?
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:22:00 - [28] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 07/11/2006 22:24:32 The other half of the ship bonus was censored. (Both the Astarte and the **ation had 5% bonuses written in their description for Falloff/Optimal though actually both did 10%. The Astarte's description was fixed... I bet the bug reports for the *ation were caught by their tracker's filter) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson*


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