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Selim
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:41:00 -
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* Selim chuckles
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Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Daryl Xero
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An interesting report, especially as I have it on good faith that since this 'riot' began, only Home Guard personel have set foot on the station.
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Daryl Xero
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:07:00 -
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To the best of my knowledge, with the exception of myself, that is true. My orders and clearance came from the Navy intel division, beyond that I'm not authorized to say. I can only assume that I was cleared to release these details to stem the tide of rampant rumourmongering that has been plaguing the comm channels since the news broke.
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Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Daryl Xero
To the best of my knowledge, with the exception of myself, that is true. My orders and clearance came from the Navy intel division, beyond that I'm not authorized to say. I can only assume that I was cleared to release these details to stem the tide of rampant rumourmongering that has been plaguing the comm channels since the news broke.
I think for now it'd be best to wait for more official releases. Especially as there is no way to confirm that you were ordered as if what you say if true, then your visit was not registered.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.09 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Looks like you are proving my points. Sorry to see that.
As for the help that was send, since you did not need it it doesn't mean that the Home Guard should stand and watch the convoy being hit by pirates. In case you don't know, that is called diplomatic relations. And by the lack of action the Home Guard showed the diplomatic relations that is wanted between the Federation and the State.
My goverment is well informed that the Caldari State is a different nation, independent and all that. The problem is that you are still enslaved in the visions of hatred and war. Too bad to see this proved.
And let me ask you who said that it wasn't needed. The CEP? I have a very good hunch that they don't know what is going on on that planet too.
I bet that if the convoy was Amarrian it would be welcomed no second thoughts.
As for Reschard i suggest first read what have happened to the planet and then start spitting words around for the lack of help. You can follow this to see what was going on.
As you will notice aid was there from day 1 despite your propaganda.
As for the invasion force comment, i find it laughable. I wonder what kind of people someone would expect onboard of Federation Navy ships, miners? Please spare us the drama.
You denied the help and that is ok, your choice after all. But the inaction of your forces while in front of them attrocities were commited, was way more worse and stunting. It was a straightforward expression of hostility if you ask me.
Oh where to begin with you...
First things first, the Home Guard is under no obligation to defend another empire's military vessels whose mere presence violates part of the Yulai convention against any party, even pirates such as Veto. The lack of Home Guard response should've been expected. The Federation was quite boldly refusing to obey the command of a government whose space they were violating, and had the Federation attempted to ignore the Home guard and bypass them, I have little doubt that the Home Guard would not have destroyed them, as such actions from the Federation would've been viewed as hostile.
If your government is so well informed, then it seems they need to review procedures for entering another Empire's space. You say it is because of visions of hatred and war, when it is infact due to the Federation simply refusing to honor the request of the State. Had the convoy simply turned around, they may have avoided the fate they suffered.
And who said it wasn't needed? The State did. It doesn't matter what you or the Federation 'think was needed', unless perhaps, the Federation knows something about the incident that the State doesn't? It's still interesting just how fast they responded. The question of Amarrians is moot, as they would not have come, and did not come. IF they did, and they were told their assistance is not needed, they would not be allowed to land there, just as the Federation wasn't.
I suggest you re-read what you mentioned about Reshard, or are you telling me the Sisters of EVE are a part of the Federation? There was no Federation aid sent there, it was all organized by the Sisters, and other organizations.
You're repeating something that has been defeated with those Marines. Standard marine Crew are not found as specific cargo, nor are they kept in the cargo hold.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
As for Reschard I suggest first read what have happened to the planet and then start spitting words around for the lack of help. You can follow this to see what was going on.
As you will notice aid was there from day 1 despite your propaganda.
Ahem.
Originally by: Reporter Mahk Roredin
...a convoy of rescue ships finally landed on the surface of the planet Reschard V, seven months after the planet was reduced to an uninhabitable wreck by an as yet unexplained disaster.
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Elrianmk2
Gallente
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:11:00 -
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I am intregued to know how you know the exact somposition of a federation ship's compliment and further more expect that a federation ship that would be used in a potentially dangerous environment should not require any protection for ts crew and specialists?
A Federation vessal can and should be allowed to have an escort, it should prevent the very thing which your State vessals allowed to occur. An analyis of the logs has shown that the Federation fleet commander was engaged in a dialogue with his conterpart when the ships came under fire. Diplomacy was in the process of being carried out between our nations when pirates attacked these brave mens vessals. At the worst the State fleet comander should have requested backup frm his superiours and then escorted the Federation ships from State space.
People are dying on that mining colony and now ourtesy of the States fantastic show of humanitairian goodwill, hundreds of Federatio citizns were murdered.
Looking at the situation i can only assume the State is an eager pupil of the Amarr, roll on the truth.
May the honourable dead know peace.
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If it wasnt for bad luck i would have no luck at all
The only certainties are death and taxes.
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Redpants
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:36:00 -
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This whole situation reeks of the incompetence of Foiritan. I know some about what the Federation's mindset in action about this is from what has crept through the halls of the Academy and from what little our instructors have disclosed, none of which I'm at liberty to pass on to just anyone.
However from what has come to my ears there is only one conclusion to me, that the Federation by the guiding hand of Foiritan, has no business in Caldari space. How this situation affects the Federation and why we took it up as our own issue to deal with doesn't jive with what the "word on the street" is. There is an aspect of this that is not being disclosed to the rest of us. This was more than just a humanitarian effort. But let us make no mistake that it was certainly not a Trojan Horse invasion either.
I believe that as was mentioned before that Foiritan purposely sent those Navy troops there knowing full well what the end result may be, or at least what it may spark off. That makes Foiritan a murderer and he should be removed immedietly from office.
On a side note of amusement, someone in our mess hall told me in a similar argument yesterday that Fioritan didn't order those troops to be there but somebody else "slipped" them in for reasons unknown. I find that hard to believe. That's conspiracy talk and the reprocussions of such an unauthorized order would be rippling hard through the Federation Navy and further into the Administration. So unless The Scope is in on it too then we'd have heard some report by now. Let's get back to reality.
Regardless, the whole thing was pointless, needless and a waste of good Federalist lives. If the incident is to be taken at face value then it proves what unforgiving monsters the Caldari really are and well deserving of everything they ever got from the Gallente. Now I remember why I smile everytime I pass through Luminaire.
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elrianmk2
(...)and further more expect that a federation ship [...] should not require any protection for ts crew and specialists? (...) A Federation vessal can and should be allowed to have an escort, it should prevent the very thing which your State vessals allowed to occur. (...) Looking at the situation i can only assume the State is an eager pupil of the Amarr, roll on the truth. (...) May the honourable dead know peace.
Your spellcheck subroutines seems faulty. Anyway, i'll try to put it simple:
They shouldn't be there.
They were warned that they had no clearance to enter Caldari space.
Several times.
Civillian ships, Ok.
Diplomatic ships, Ok.
Battleships, no ******* way.
A Federation vessel may use all Federation forces as escort, i couldn't care less.
But only *inside their sovereign space*. Inside Caldari space, Caldari rules.
Even if the reason was flawed, i acknowledge the Federation forces lost at this unfortunate situation as honorable under Caldari eyes; they died obeying their orders and serving their government.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.11.11 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Ahem.
Originally by: Reporter Mahk Roredin
...a convoy of rescue ships finally landed on the surface of the planet Reschard V, seven months after the planet was reduced to an uninhabitable wreck by an as yet unexplained disaster.
Maybe if you could read and comprehend you would realise that the planet surface was unreachable for that long period of time due to the mass efect of the Doomsday weapon.
Have you anything else to say? I don't think so.
as for Kailea Shandrasekkar as i see you are trying to prove that while even a man from Gallente Federation is a threat of your sovereignity, you try to prove that a small organization that is there for the organizational duties and day to day activities of the President should own the manpower and the vessels to bring the aid. As if they would be accepted.
Yeah right. They would meet the same fate and even quicker, while the Home Guard would stand still and watched the show laughing. I wonder who are you trying to fool. Maybe yourself?
and you are right the reason was flawed. President tried to help people who don't want to be helped. For me he did the right thing, for you he tried to threat the sovereignity of Caldari space, and the convoy should be attacked and left unhelped.
And unless i understand different Kaalakiota is a part of the CEP right? A part of the ruling body that is. So a part of the goverment. So unless i am mistaken these vessels also represented the Caldari State there. So there goes the point of protecting only the property of the corporation
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
First things first, the Home Guard is under no obligation to defend another empire's military vessels whose mere presence violates part of the Yulai convention against any party, even pirates such as Veto. The lack of Home Guard response should've been expected. The Federation was quite boldly refusing to obey the command of a government whose space they were violating, and had the Federation attempted to ignore the Home guard and bypass them, I have little doubt that the Home Guard would not have destroyed them, as such actions from the Federation would've been viewed as hostile.
I would like to see where the convoy did anything that suggested an attempt to bypass the Home Guard. I bet that you won't find any, so there goes your argument. As also you can see the incident was on the Border line.
You are talking lies and trying to be a demagogue rather than a sane person in this mess.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I suggest you re-read what you mentioned about Reshard, or are you telling me the Sisters of EVE are a part of the Federation? There was no Federation aid sent there, it was all organized by the Sisters, and other organizations.
You're repeating something that has been defeated with those Marines. Standard marine Crew are not found as specific cargo, nor are they kept in the cargo hold.
First of all when one is scanning a ship it scans the ship not only the cargo hold. So wake up and smell the coffee. Someone must stir, do the daily jobs and all that on a ship.
The Sisters of EVE are not part of any empire, but the unnamed organizations doesn't meant that they aren't. Not to mention that on such crisis situations the first to land on the place of catastrophe are usually volunteers and not the official aid, which usually is supplies and medicines etc, that are being handled to the needed by the volunteers.
I bet that the CEP knows still nothing to be honest and i have a feeling that the Federation Navy station officers that are located right next door to the system, know more.
But the real problem that makes me publish my thoughts here is not the loss of the convoy or the denial of help by the Caldari State. If you think that you are wrong. My worry is that you still are glued to a past long gone. And by doing that you are playing with the fire not knowing that it will burn us all. There will be no winners in that conflict
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Beletre
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:32:00 -
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...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring?
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Beletre
...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring?
I can't get anything down to the station. I can't get messages through. I don't think Kaalakiota or Home Guard are going to let that change any time soon.
I haven't stopped caring, but I can't do anything about it. I think the same goes for most other pilots.
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Se'la Rox
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Beletre
...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring?
You have your answer.
The situation is dealt with.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.22 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Beletre
...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring?
You have your answer.
The situation is dealt with.
The situation is far from being dealt with.
Guristas Envoy to the South
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Beletre
...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring?
You have your answer.
The situation is dealt with.
The situation is far from being dealt with.
Agreed. The riot has been stopped, but now there is the matter of repairing damage and getting the place back up and running. As reports suggested, it will likely be several weeks until the area is back to normal.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:31:00 -
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Hmm - selective reading, Zenobia-haan? Are you sure that you read the news article and not just the KK press release?
Guristas Envoy to the South
Spreading wabbity love in Curse |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:56:00 -
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I only hope that safer haven does not mean in reality another plane of existence.
Other than that, the reason of the riot must be addressed or this will only be the beginning i fear.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.23 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Hmm - selective reading, Zenobia-haan? Are you sure that you read the news article and not just the KK press release?
I read it all.
However if you expect me to take the rantings of Blaque seriously, or care for his opinions at all, you'd be a fool.
However it's interesting that he seemed to know so much, and when he realized he said too much, he shut up. Now I wonder how he could know so much about the situation...
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.23 02:54:00 -
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Blaque's comments were not on my mind.
Guristas Envoy to the South
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